Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

Hotblack Desiato · 21-05-2021 10:17am

Prediction - publicans will continue to lobby for cuts in excise duty - well, this isn't much of a prediction, they are already doing this but will use Covid, claim they're all going broke etc. when trade doesn't return quickly enough to their expectation, whatever that was (year 2000 levels I expect)

Thing is though with MUP, government can cut excise while not making off licence alcohol any cheaper, or actually making it dearer

So win-win for the publicans, retailers and alcohol industry

Lose-lose for the taxpayer, and drinkers (whether moderate or not)

You couldn't make a crazy scenario like this up, but this is what ALL political parties are saying they support. Either they haven't analysed the issue beyond the most superficial AAI/LVA/VFI propaganda, they don't care, they are in the pocket of the publicans (many politicians or their families are publicans), or they are far thicker even than we've been led to expect :mad:

Hotblack Desiato · 21-05-2021 10:21am

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

you are allowed an unlimited amount. The quantities stated cannot be enforced under EU law and you can bring back as much as you like for personal consumption without any issue.

Customs & Excise can seize what they like and it's up to you to prove that it's for your personal consumption rather than resale. Customs & Excise can also search your car and vehicle without warrant, the Gardai can't! Most people have no idea at all about the powers that customs have.

My father in law brings home a full car load every time they go away on summer holidays, and has in the past shipped 3 pallets of wine back with zero issues or associated costs.

You are not allowed to ship alcohol into the country without a licence. Any alcohol you import personally has to be accompanied by you. It's just luck that the whole lot wasn't seized and they don't have to let you pay the duty when caught, either.

Capt'n Midnight · 21-05-2021 11:11am

Real Donald Trump wrote: »

How do you know what goes on in other A@E through out the globe?

That's an argument for increased excise duty.

Or to enforce the duty of care on pubs and clubs.

Or providing alternatives to pubs and clubs.

Supermarket alcohol already at home can be consumed at any time.
Is there any correlation between A&E and busy times for pubs and clubs ??

Himnydownunder · 21-05-2021 11:11am

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Prediction - publicans will continue to lobby for cuts in excise duty - well, this isn't much of a prediction, they are already doing this but will use Covid, claim they're all going broke etc. when trade doesn't return quickly enough to their expectation, whatever that was (year 2000 levels I expect)

Thing is though with MUP, government can cut excise while not making off licence alcohol any cheaper, or actually making it dearer

So win-win for the publicans, retailers and alcohol industry

Lose-lose for the taxpayer, and drinkers (whether moderate or not)

You couldn't make a crazy scenario like this up, but this is what ALL political parties are saying they support. Either they haven't analysed the issue beyond the most superficial AAI/LVA/VFI propaganda, they don't care, they are in the pocket of the publicans (many politicians or their families are publicans), or they are far thicker even than we've been led to expect :mad:

It’s all optics, with the government pretending to do something useful. They have probably had less than feck all to do during the lockdown.

Hotblack Desiato · 21-05-2021 1:34pm

Himnydownunder wrote: »

They have probably had less than feck all to do during the lockdown.

Daft comment.

Himnydownunder · 22-05-2021 10:07am

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Daft comment.

You’re right they had to shut everything down and impose fines on rule breakers.

KrustyUCC · 27-05-2021 12:18am

Alcohol consumption plummeted by almost 20% in first three months of 2021

The amount of alcohol consumed in the first quarter of this year was down substantially on the same period in 2020.

The consumption of all types of alcohol - beer, cider, wine and spirits - fell between January and March 2021, according to the latest Revenue figures.

The 19.7% decline in the consumption of alcohol has been attributed to the closure of the hospitality sector due to Covid-19.

Despite commentary to the contrary, the Director of Drinks Ireland, Patricia Callan, said alcohol consumption continues to decline as a direct result of the pandemic.

"While this decline was accelerated by Covid, it should be noted that it is in line with the trend of consumption falling generally in Ireland over the past 30 years," said Ms Callan.

Average alcohol consumption in 2020 declined by 6.6% to its lowest level in 30 years and almost 30% lower than the peak of 2001.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40299482.html

Yet our government is still going to bring in MUP in January and make alcohol much much dearer for everyone

Suckit · 27-05-2021 12:42am

They don't care. The real reason MUP is being introduced is for the pubs. Facts and figures showing consumption lowering on its own doesn't make any difference :rolleyes:.

It will be interesting to see if binge drinking rises though.
People that will go up North and abroad will surely by in bulk. Then will have that sitting at home.

KrustyUCC · 27-05-2021 12:48am

Yup MUP was always about the pubs

I'll bet RTE etc won't give much time to the fall in consumption though

Imagine people not availing of all that cheap strong alcohol when the pubs and restaurants were closed

Apparently alcohol is cheaper than water in this country

-=al=- · 27-05-2021 3:14am

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Alcohol consumption plummeted by almost 20% in first three months of 2021

The amount of alcohol consumed in the first quarter of this year was down substantially on the same period in 2020.

The consumption of all types of alcohol - beer, cider, wine and spirits - fell between January and March 2021, according to the latest Revenue figures.

The 19.7% decline in the consumption of alcohol has been attributed to the closure of the hospitality sector due to Covid-19.

Despite commentary to the contrary, the Director of Drinks Ireland, Patricia Callan, said alcohol consumption continues to decline as a direct result of the pandemic.

"While this decline was accelerated by Covid, it should be noted that it is in line with the trend of consumption falling generally in Ireland over the past 30 years," said Ms Callan.

Average alcohol consumption in 2020 declined by 6.6% to its lowest level in 30 years and almost 30% lower than the peak of 2001.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40299482.html

Yet our government is still going to bring in MUP in January and make alcohol much much dearer for everyone

So when the pubs were open alcohol consumption was decreasing, and since the pubs have been closed, alcohol consumption (at home) is still decreasing

Solid argument from the Gov to charge more just for alcohol consumption at home.

Surely opening pubs will increase alcohol consumption? Maybe make that more expensive since it will add to the alcohol health issues they concerned about. We're already doing our best to go for gold in the most expensive alcohol prices in Europe while not getting much back in return.

Maybe an even percentage increase for both pub/home consumption to make the argument have some logic? Having the extra cash made not even go back to the Gov is just blatant swizzary

Drinking at home is still decreasing even in a pandemic when you are stuck a home and can't really go anywhere, yet while it's decreasing it's been made more expensive?

If you were forced to be stuck in a pub for over a year and no one was drinking anymore, the bar owners would decrease the prices, which is essentially what they are doing by making drinking at home more expensive.

It's a good old fashioned swizz and everyone's been taking for yet another ride they never asked for

FileNotFound · 27-05-2021 1:13pm

-=al=- wrote: »

So when the pubs were open alcohol consumption was decreasing, and since the pubs have been closed, alcohol consumption (at home) is still decreasing

Solid argument from the Gov to charge more just for alcohol consumption at home.

Surely opening pubs will increase alcohol consumption? Maybe make that more expensive since it will add to the alcohol health issues they concerned about. We're already doing our best to go for gold in the most expensive alcohol prices in Europe while not getting much back in return.

Maybe an even percentage increase for both pub/home consumption to make the argument have some logic? Having the extra cash made not even go back to the Gov is just blatant swizzary

Drinking at home is still decreasing even in a pandemic when you are stuck a home and can't really go anywhere, yet while it's decreasing it's been made more expensive?

If you were forced to be stuck in a pub for over a year and no one was drinking anymore, the bar owners would decrease the prices, which is essentially what they are doing by making drinking at home more expensive.

It's a good old fashioned swizz and everyone's been taking for yet another ride they never asked for

Fully agree. If its in the interest of health then no sector selling alcohol should be exempt especially the one that leads to the most binge drinking.

But what makes the MUP even worse is that this i not even tax, it is a legal minimum price so any gains (profits made) on this go to the retailer and drinks industry and not the Government purse.

This is a semi scam to support the vintners, screw the average person and appease a few anti drink nuts in Alcohol Action Ireland.

All it will do is remove the odd deal we used to enjoy and kill any competition in the low end drinks sector (will kill many brands and own brand drink off entirely)

Fr Tod Umptious · 29-05-2021 9:23pm

Report in The Lancet (highly respected medical journal) suggesting MUP has had the desired effects in Scotland.

Make of it what you will.

[URL="BBC News - Minimum unit alcohol price has 'lasting impact'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-57293223"]BBC News - Minimum unit alcohol price has 'lasting impact'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-57293223[/URL]

Edit : Can't link properly on phone

PopePalpatine · 29-05-2021 10:33pm

He said the quiet bit loud.

Suckit · 30-05-2021 2:06am

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Report in The Lancet (highly respected medical journal) suggesting MUP has had the desired effects in Scotland.

Make of it what you will.

BBC News - Minimum unit alcohol price has 'lasting impact'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-57293223

Edit : Can't link properly on phone

I don't disagree that it helps the few. It's the method that I question.
I have seen teenagers acting badly in the media in the past month or so, and it resulted in some Senators and Councillors among others suggesting a curfew for all teenagers.

It's ridiculous. Some people are effected by alcohol, so everyone else has to (literally in this case) pay the price. I understand that there are people with alcohol issues both for health and abuse of it etc. and if I sound callous, so be it. The truth is that alcohol is enjoyed by many, that is the reason why the negative numbers seem so high. If we were to take it in group percentages, do we make all drivers pay for the few that are reckless? The cyclists for the few that are killed whilst cycling?
Meat eaters, jockeys etc.. before the numbers get to high?

If it was a tax that went into health or alcohol abuse it would be more palatable, but it's not. It is just treating the general public like toddlers - making it harder to get, while the providers of said product make even more money out of it. In the meantime our taxes are also going to 'charities' like Alcohol Action Ireland to fund these stupid uncontested decisions, and we are still paying them. Now that they have got their way, can we relax on their funding, or will it be increased? Will we be paying twice after January?

/alcohol induced rant.

Capt'n Midnight · 31-05-2021 10:37am

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Report in The Lancet (highly respected medical journal) suggesting MUP has had the desired effects in Scotland.

Make of it what you will.

[URL="BBC News - Minimum unit alcohol price has 'lasting impact'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-57293223"]BBC News - Minimum unit alcohol price has 'lasting impact'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-57293223[/URL]

Edit : Can't link properly on phone

MUP is being touted as a way to make alcohol too expensive for low income groups by making cheap un-branded alcohol more expensive.

And that is complete hogwash as

However, the exception to this was those in high-purchasing, low-income homes, who did not seem to change their habits.

The focus on MUP rather than excise smacks of "It's for their own good." say people in high income groups won't be affected by any changes as they are more likely to use products priced near or above the proposed MUP.

VinLieger · 31-05-2021 12:03pm

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Report in The Lancet (highly respected medical journal) suggesting MUP has had the desired effects in Scotland.

Make of it what you will.

BBC News - Minimum unit alcohol price has 'lasting impact'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-57293223

Edit : Can't link properly on phone

What were the trending consumption rates of scotland over the past years?

What if the downtrend of alcohol consumption we have seen over the last 20 years continues? I would bet 100 euro that will be without question attributed to MUP.

FileNotFound · 31-05-2021 12:12pm

VinLieger wrote: »

What were the trending consumption rates of scotland over the past years?

What if the downtrend of alcohol consumption we have seen over the last 20 years continues? I would bet 100 euro that will be without question attributed to MUP.

I think thats one of my main gripes, not only does this not feed money back into the exchequer. it will claim credit for the already happening fall in consumption.

Why has nobody raised the fact that as a nation we are drinking less anyway and the education and positive health routes are effective and working

All in all definitely not a fan of this system.

elperello · 31-05-2021 1:13pm

It's a heist and an unusual one at that.

The Government with the full support of the Dail is forcing drinks companies and retailers to raid our pockets and keep our money.

It doesn't matter whether you drink a lot or a little or even don't drink at all ie. if you are a teetotaler purchasing drink for guests.

Everyone is a potential victim of the heist.

Suckit · 31-05-2021 1:33pm

Is there even a word for what it is? It seems to be the opposite of Predatory Pricing or a weird form of Price Discrimination by effectively overpricing an entire produce section for the less wealthy and claiming it is for their benefit.
It's crazy to think that it is even allowed.

FileNotFound · 31-05-2021 1:55pm

Suckit wrote: »

Is there even a word for what it is? It seems to be the opposite of Predatory Pricing or a weird form of Price Discrimination by effectively overpricing an entire produce section for the less wealthy and claiming it is for their benefit.
It's crazy to think that it is even allowed.

I remember it went to the EU courts when scotland tried to bring it in initially, they just sent it back to the national courts.

I was always of the impression that killing brands through political choice when impacting the free market concept. Guess you can do a lot under the guise of public health....

ShamNNspace · 10-06-2021 4:27pm

They're at it again over on NT pushing lies ie that Ireland and the Uk were exceptional in allowing alcohol to be sold during lockdown... we have a serious alcohol culture problem sez he then praises the governments new measures re mup and even wants them to go further in making it illegal to sell alcohol to under 20s and God knows what else he has in mind ... Some Murray fella a surgeon or other Mup won't bother him no doubt

NoLuckLarry · 10-06-2021 4:29pm

ShamNNspace wrote: »

They're at it again over on NT pushing lies ie that Ireland and the Uk were exceptional in allowing alcohol to be sold during lockdown... we have a serious alcohol culture problem sez he then praises the governments new measures re mup and even wants them to go further in making it illegal to sell alcohol to under 20s and God knows what else he has in mind ... Some Murray fella a surgeon or other Mup won't bother him no doubt

He’s a perfect example of the fact that we have too many self appointed moral guardians in this country. The whole lot of them can **** right off.

ShamNNspace · 10-06-2021 4:33pm

^^^expect more of them over the next few days, some report or other has been released showing that we've used alcohol more than other countries to get us through lockdown

NoLuckLarry · 10-06-2021 4:36pm

ShamNNspace wrote: »

^^^expect more of them over the next few days, some report or other has been released showing that we've used alcohol more than other countries to get us through lockdown

Not an unexpected consequence of a country being led through Covid by a pack of complete dithering useless gob****es who got stuck like a broken record with the mantra "2 more weeks".

elperello · 10-06-2021 4:42pm

That's Professor Frank Murray, the high priest of MUP.

He has plans for us.

Thelonious Monk · 10-06-2021 5:24pm

There's nothing we can do to stop it, MUP is living rent free in all our heads, we just have to accept it, and whatever measures keep coming because MUP wont be the last of it

VinLieger · 10-06-2021 5:42pm

Its just so incredibly infuriating they are constantly allowed speak with zero corrections or opposing narratives.

Thelonious Monk · 10-06-2021 5:46pm

VinLieger wrote: »

Its just so incredibly infuriating they are constantly allowed speak with zero corrections or opposing narratives.

Every politician and broadcaster is in favour of it, it's very odd how this is challenged at all, when polls show 85% of the public (what do they matter) are against the measures.
Unless some mass demonstration is arranged, and no one is going to arrange this, we just have to suck it up.

the beer revolu · 11-06-2021 12:24pm

VinLieger wrote: »

Its just so incredibly infuriating they are constantly allowed speak with zero corrections or opposing narratives.

To be fair Kieran Cuddihy did challenge him somewhat.
However, he was allowed claim that our rates didn't drop when they did, in fact, drop slightly.

VinLieger · 17-06-2021 10:14am

Jesus Christ, Newstalk did a piece this morning where someone was complaining about non alcoholic beers and wines alcohol being placed outside the specific alcohol areas...... Then of course they had the NIMBY CEO from AAI on as usual unopposed spouting more scaremongering.

hatrickpatrick · 17-06-2021 11:51am

Just brewed a new Mexican Cerveza kit (probably a little inappropriate to clone Corona during these times but I digress

) the other night, currently listening to it bubbling away. Anyone seriously annoyed by MUP, get yourselves a brewing kit and start saving 500ml bottles whenever you drink from them.

It really cannot be overstated just how cheap it is to make beer which is far, far superior to the sh!te you can currently get for below minimum price. Not obviously that this excuses authoritarian legislation, of course it doesn't, but in terms of finding a way around it and ensuring the sesh can carry on, the more people who start doing this the better

Prices on ingredients have gone up slightly because of Brexit and increased demand during quarantine (apparently there aren't many companies which actually make malt extract kits here - perhaps this will change once MUP comes in and the cheaper breweries realise this is a potential new revenue stream?) but given that you're making beer which is 5% ABV minimum, €15-€20 for a 20 litre batch is still an absolute steal.

Capt'n Midnight · 17-06-2021 12:02pm

Scottish alcohol sales drop to lowest level in 26 years

Deprivation was linked to drinking-related illness, with the rates for both alcohol-related hospital stays and deaths eight times higher in the most deprived parts of Scotland compared to the least deprived areas.

So the less money people have they more likely they are to have drinking related illnesses. And how exactly will minimum pricing will fix this ?

Ger Roe · 17-06-2021 12:09pm

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Just brewed a new Mexican Cerveza kit (probably a little inappropriate to clone Corona during these times but I digress ) the other night, currently listening to it bubbling away. Anyone seriously annoyed by MUP, get yourselves a brewing kit and start saving 500ml bottles whenever you drink from them.

It really cannot be overstated just how cheap it is to make beer which is far, far superior to the sh!te you can currently get for below minimum price. Not obviously that this excuses authoritarian legislation, of course it doesn't, but in terms of finding a way around it and ensuring the sesh can carry on, the more people who start doing this the better

Prices on ingredients have gone up slightly because of Brexit and increased demand during quarantine (apparently there aren't many companies which actually make malt extract kits here - perhaps this will change once MUP comes in and the cheaper breweries realise this is a potential new revenue stream?) but given that you're making beer which is 5% ABV minimum, €15-€20 for a 20 litre batch is still an absolute steal.

Sushhhhh, .... you are letting people in on our little secret. I am quite fond of the home brew cider kits myself. I have 40 pints of strawberry and lime on the go at the moment - will be bottling on Saturday. I reckon this age old hobby will see a re-surge soon as it will be next to impossible to increase tax on the raw ingredients that have so many other food related uses.

It's a good hobby anyway... teaches patience and skills.

patrickbrophy18 · 17-06-2021 8:35pm

elperello wrote: »

That's Professor Frank Murray, the high priest of MUP.

He has plans for us.

He and his cohort of sanctimonious puritanical virtue signallers probably won't quit their bellyaching until alcohol has been completely banned.

I realize that AII is predominantly composed of members whos lives were directly or indirectly affected by alcohol abuse. Then, the formation of the aforementioned NGO is a way for its members to take it out on the general public.

ShamNNspace · 18-06-2021 4:18pm

Mup mentioned there on Moncrief, the wine expert then said wine over €8 in value won't be affected, to which Moncreif replied in that smarmy way of his "anyone who buys an €8 bottle of wine needs to immediately see a doctor"..... Complete disconnect there

elperello · 18-06-2021 6:24pm

patrickbrophy18 wrote: »

He and his cohort of sanctimonious puritanical virtue signallers probably won't quit their bellyaching until alcohol has been completely banned.

I realize that AII is predominantly composed of members whos lives were directly or indirectly affected by alcohol abuse. Then, the formation of the aforementioned NGO is a way for its members to take it out on the general public.

I know nothing about their private lives and have no interest in them but I do know that they are promoting a neo-prohibitionist agenda which is gaining ground all the time.

ShamNNspace wrote: »

Mup mentioned there on Moncrief, the wine expert then said wine over €8 in value won't be affected, to which Moncreif replied in that smarmy way of his "anyone who buys an €8 bottle of wine needs to immediately see a doctor"..... Complete disconnect there

Anyone who knows anything about wine will recognise that for the tired old fashioned wine snobbery that it is.

Reputable Rog · 18-06-2021 6:36pm

elperello wrote: »

I know nothing about their private lives and have no interest in them but I do know that they are promoting a neo-prohibitionist agenda which is gaining ground all the time.

Anyone who knows anything about wine will recognise that for the tired old fashioned wine snobbery that it is.

You can do very well for under €7 if you look hard enough.
Some of the wines priced between €15 and €20 cost about €4 in other countries.

odyssey06 · 18-06-2021 6:38pm

ShamNNspace wrote: »

Mup mentioned there on Moncrief, the wine expert then said wine over €8 in value won't be affected, to which Moncreif replied in that smarmy way of his "anyone who buys an €8 bottle of wine needs to immediately see a doctor"..... Complete disconnect there

Translation ... I know nothing about wine and can only rely on price as a proxy to quality.

ohnonotgmail · 18-06-2021 7:57pm

Reputable Rog wrote: »

You can do very well for under €7 if you look hard enough.
Some of the wines priced between €15 and €20 cost about €4 in other countries.

the first 4.87 on any bottle of wine is duty and vat. if you buy a €7 bottle of wine only 2.13 goes to the retailer.

Thelonious Monk · 18-06-2021 8:00pm

I've bought nice bottles of wine for 1.50 in Spain, I remember just a few years ago the local Lidl in France had really nice sparkling French wine for 1.20!

Capt'n Midnight · 18-06-2021 8:09pm

Reputable Rog wrote: »

You can do very well for under €7 if you look hard enough.
Some of the wines priced between €15 and €20 cost about €4 in other countries.

Cheap n' cheerful wines cost €1 a litre in other countries.

Spanish Eyes · 18-06-2021 8:38pm

I remember being in a place called Limoux near Carcassonne France. Stopped for lunch as you do, and the wine was sold straight from the barrel, it is wine country around there and this place had a little winery attached. A litre carafe (amongst four hic...) was a fiver and we could taste from as many different barrels as we wanted before choosing, we were a bit tipsy, and the plat du jour, four courses for a tenner meant a great lunchtime treat.

The point I should have made is that the locals came in with their own containers and bought it to take away. So civilised!

Drink if you want, don't if you don't, but the impingement on our freedoms to drink is becoming puritanical here now.

global23214124 · 18-06-2021 9:23pm

I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.

My understanding that this is aimed at the binge drinkers that are drinking the likes of Linden village and Tesco lager. I can see how it might deter those that are not addicted but it seems like they might try and get drink elsewhere. Let's see how it plays out.

odyssey06 · 18-06-2021 9:25pm

global23214124 wrote: »

My understanding that this is aimed at the binge drinkers that are drinking the likes of Linden village and Tesco lager. I can see how it might deter those that are not addicted but it seems like they might try and get drink elsewhere. Let's see how it plays out.

It isnt. Thats just the lies you have fallen for.
Major brands of wine and beer wiil be affected by this.
It is targeted at anyone who drinks at hone to get them to drink in pubs.

Reputable Rog · 18-06-2021 9:43pm

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Cheap n' cheerful wines cost €1 a litre in other countries.

A rather terrible Alentejo for a Tenner in Lidl last summer cost me 75c in Lidl Portugal the year before.

machiavellianme · 18-06-2021 10:52pm

Reputable Rog wrote: »

A rather terrible Alentejo for a Tenner in Lidl last summer cost me 75c in Lidl Portugal the year before.

Whyd you buy it twice if you knew it was terrible?
Expect it to cost 15 after MUP when you buy it the next time!

Reputable Rog · 19-06-2021 8:29am

machiavellianme wrote: »

Whyd you buy it twice if you knew it was terrible?
Expect it to cost 15 after MUP when you buy it the next time!

I didn’t buy it twice. I knew from the first time.

senordingdong · 21-06-2021 7:42pm

odyssey06 wrote: »

It isnt. Thats just the lies you have fallen for.
Major brands of wine and beer wiil be affected by this.
It is targeted at anyone who drinks at hone to get them to drink in pubs.

Well with any luck, it will have the effect that the authorities claim they're after...less consumption. The pubs will continue to kill themselves and when revenue collection falls, they'll reconsider this nonsense.

Suckit · 21-06-2021 9:42pm

I heard something on the radio today, but I didn't catch it properly. I am only home about 30 minutes and heard it again when I was walking in the door.
'Garda say that drinking in the street beside the pub - 100m is illegal'
or something to that effect.
Then I read this.
Gardaí told not to penalise pubs serving alcohol outdoors

Ms Humphreys has now encouraged garda discretion regarding the policing of drinking alcohol on newly erected streetside tables.
Garda Commissioner Drew Harris also instructed regional Assistant Commissioners that gardaí should use discretion in relation to licensed premises while also continuing to respond to any public complaints received on matters such as public order, parking, and noise, An Garda Síochána said.

So.. It is illegal to serve alcohol outside a pub, but for now, they can ignore it. I don't mind that, in fact I like it. But they are either worried about our health, or they aren't.

I wonder what they will do next to discourage alcohol abuse in this country. Bring back happy hour?

Leroy42 · 21-06-2021 9:49pm

odyssey06 wrote: »

It isnt. Thats just the lies you have fallen for.
Major brands of wine and beer wiil be affected by this.
It is targeted at anyone who drinks at hone to get them to drink in pubs.

Of course not. It is aimed squarely at the lower priced sellers. If the price is the same across all brands then people will always go for the brand they know.

Do you think LIdl would have got a hand in the market is they came in with the same products and the same price? No, people, except for convenience, would have stuck to the old reliables.

To move people off a brand, and Ireland was very brand loyal, you need something to offer. Be that price, quality of something else.

Take the ability to compete on price away, which is what this does, and the sales of NoName Brand will drop.

It is also aimed at driving people back towards the pubs, but the double benefit for the likes of Diageo is that they win either way.

Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

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