What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

Kivaro · 18-06-2020 7:06pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Norway is about same population as Ireland and
Surveys done in Norway shows that each immigrant cost 4.1 million NOK=383000 euro in todays exchange rate trough their lifetime.

Finansavisen of 13 April, with the approval of Statistics Norway researcher Erling Holmøy, that every non-western immigrant costs Norway around NOK 4.1 million on average during their lifetime

https://www.ssb.no/en/offentlig-sektor/artikler-og-publikasjoner/the-effects-of-more-immigrants-on-public-finances

Immigrants are also overrepresented when it comes to welfare problems.
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Wonder would Ireland ever conduct a similar survey broken down by migrant country of origin?
I doubt it, but it would probably have similar results i.e. very low levels of employment rates for African migrants, but high numbers for the likes of Polish migrants.
In the survey above, the Poles had even higher employment rates than among native-born Norwegians. Which doesn't surprise me at all.

Even by using rudimentary information that we have in Ireland about migrant employment, it seems that we have a similar situation to Norway. Go figure.

double jobbing · 18-06-2020 7:08pm

Stateofyou wrote: »

And the Chief Commissioner of the Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission, using data from the CSO, is in on it too?

"Emily Logan, Chief Commissioner of the Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission, said access to and use of good quality data and empirical research are “of crucial importance in identifying the barriers to the full enjoyment of human rights and equality that persist in our society, as well as the people whom these barriers most affect”.
“The much higher rates of labour market discrimination experienced by some ethnic groups highlights the need for employers to proactively work to ensure diversity in the workplace and to avoid incidences of discrimination in recruitment.”

Emily Logan is a waster with a degree who uses her taxpayer funded position to advocate for less educated fellow wasters.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/human-rights-challenge-issued-to-social-housing-policy-for-non-irish-f6vhfnr20

Tony EH · 18-06-2020 7:11pm

biko wrote: »

OP is right that immigration has a positive effect on the economy.
There are thousands of people here that work for Irish, British or US companies.
"Immigration" itself isn't bad.

A country, however, is not an "economy". We really, really, need to get away from this idea that the economy is above all else. It's an incredibly reductive notion.

ExMachina1000 · 18-06-2020 7:12pm

I don't think its great for a country overall. Leads to segregation and division. I am also aware that I have no control over what happens so at the back of it all I kind of hope that it does go wrong and those who supported it will be the ones who suffer from crime or violence etc
Its their fault in the first place. The piper must be paid

Other than that I don't really care

FVP3 · 18-06-2020 7:22pm

Stateofyou wrote: »

Are you white and living in Ireland? So why would you be "crying racism" if so.

Some instances it's due to the skill set, obviously. But also obviously, discrimination and bias in the hiring process is real.

I would say that you have more chance of being employed in Facebook and many of the other multinationals if you are not Irish. Of course that may be, and probably is, on merit, but it argues against a bias in favour of the Irish ( or indeed the "white" Irish) in significant parts of private industry. And those surveys do have reports of Irish people feeling discriminated against.

Where there is a bias of course -- law, RTE, journalism -- the bias is also against most of the rest of us.

Yurt2 · 18-06-2020 7:34pm

2u2me wrote: »

Show me koreans and chinese shanty towns of people that just don't fit into the system.
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They're far from shanty towns, but from places I've been, Koreatown in LA and Chinatown in Flushing NY are places where you'd be better served speaking Korean and Mandarin respectively. A significant amount of fresh of the boats there have either limited to no English and don't have an incentive to learn such is the monoculture in both areas.

If that's desirable or not for the host country or not, should really be up to the society. I'm not sure I'd be encouraging such enclaves in Ireland no matter how nice the Kim or Zhang families are. I'd much rather we'd have a model of immigration where people land legally, stay legally and become part of the fabric rapidly as opposed to forming large ethnic blocks and parallel societies. The Korean community in LA in particular grew really rapidly to the exclusion of other ethnies and ran into bitter conflicts with the black and Hispanic communities in central LA. Those wounds haven't healed even to this day.

Both of the above immigrant communities (Korean and Chinese) generally tend to have high levels of community organisation, family cohesion, low reliance on welfare, high levels of educational attainment in the 2nd generation and low levels of interaction with the police, so for the most part stay under the radar.

That's not true if many immigrant groups, and we can see examples or South Asian communities in the UK that really haven't got with the programme and even on the 2nd and 3rd generation.

Rapid and uncontrolled immigration is not all peaches and rainbows no matter how much you paint it to be.

Dyr · 18-06-2020 7:50pm

Yurt! wrote: »

The Korean community in LA in particular grew really rapidly to the exclusion of other ethnies and ran into bitter conflicts with the black and Hispanic communities in central LA. Those wounds haven't healed even to this day.

The wounds the Koreans caused by having the temerity defend their stores from Black looters?

Damn racist Koreans :mad:

18-06-2020 7:52pm

Yurt! wrote: »

They're far from shanty towns, but from places I've been, Koreatown in LA and Chinatown in Flushing NY are places where you'd be better served speaking Korean and Mandarin respectively. A significant amount of fresh of the boats there have either limited to no English and don't have an incentive to learn such is the monoculture in both areas.

If that's desirable or not for the host country or not, should really be up to the society. I'm not sure I'd be encouraging such enclaves in Ireland no matter how nice the Kim or Zhang families are. I'd much rather we'd have a model of immigration where people land legally, stay legally and become part of the fabric rapidly as opposed to forming large ethnic blocks and parallel societies. The Korean community in LA in particular grew really rapidly to the exclusion of other ethnies and ran into bitter conflicts with the black and Hispanic communities in central LA. Those wounds haven't healed even to this day.

Both of the above immigrant communities (Korean and Chinese) generally tend to have high levels of community organisation, family cohesion, low reliance on welfare, high levels of educational attainment in the 2nd generation and low levels of interaction with the police, so for the most part stay under the radar.

That's not true if many immigrant groups, and we can see examples or South Asian communities in the UK that really haven't got with the programme and even on the 2nd and 3rd generation.

Rapid and uncontrolled immigration is not all peaches and rainbows no matter how much you paint it to be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEv8CNS-55M

I remember from the 92 riots in LA the roof koreans,they seemed pretty well organised.

Yurt2 · 18-06-2020 7:52pm

Bambi wrote: »

The wounds the Koreans caused by having the temerity defend their stores from Black looters?

Damn racist Koreans :mad:

Know your history of the riots. A Korean store owner shot a black kid in the back when she thought the kid was shoplifting preceding the riots and was acquitted.

Edit: was convicted of manslaughter but served no time

Sand · 18-06-2020 9:23pm

Tony EH wrote: »

Immigration is fine.

Multiculturalism is not something that can work though, and I've yet to see anywhere that it has. Even the melting pot of America is a largely failed attempt.

When you choose to move to another country, you are moving to a place that already has a culture of its own. It shouldn't be expected to change things just so you can feel that your back in your home town.

As a concept, multiculturalism sounds like a noble thing to try and achieve. But in practice, it hasn't worked and I don't think it ever will.

Besides, what's wrong with moving to another country and, you know, integrating?

There is a problem with the ideology that mass migration would be fine if they integrated. It ignores the reality that Africans, Asians and Amerindians cannot 'integrate' with a European culture anymore than Europeans were able to integrate with African, Asian and Amerindian cultures. Irish is a European ethnicity, not an African one, not an Asian one and not an Amerindian one. Demanding these people integrate with Irish people, which they cannot do, is setting them up to fail. And as we increasingly see in the US and Western Europe its seen as unacceptable to expect the immigrant communities to 'integrate'. Instead, increasingly it is the indigenous people which must make the effort, diluting their own identity to nothing more than a passport and set of dubious values. And why would anyone integrate with something so pathetic?

Mass migration creates the conditions for multi-ethnic states, which throughout history breakdown and fall into chaos until mono-ethnic nation states take their place. We're seeing this play out now in the US, the UK and France. 50-60 years ago, those people were told similar lies that the newcomers would integrate. Look and learn. Legal or illegal, mass migration is not fine.

Mass migration is a terrible policy and it needs to be ended. How did such a policy arise in Ireland without anyone ever voting for it and being so wholly against the interests of Irish people? You'd have to ask Alan Shatter about that.

Tony EH · 18-06-2020 9:25pm

^
Nobody mentioned "mass immigration".

Sand · 18-06-2020 9:27pm

Tony EH wrote: »

^
Nobody mentioned "mass immigration".

Ireland is in a situation where 17.3% of the population was born abroad. If you're not talking about mass immigration then what are you talking about?

Das Reich · 18-06-2020 9:33pm

DrGreenThumb82 wrote: »

Which multicultural society are we trying to emulate?

Because if it is the U.S., France, Sweden or the UK then thanks but no thanks.

The most multicultural country in the world is Brazil, also the one with most homicides. Brazil is 50 or 100 years in advance compared to the countries you wrote that started to have multiculturalism very recently. Everyone that supports multiculturalism should live an year in Brazil or Colombia the two most diverse countries on the world.

Tony EH · 18-06-2020 9:41pm

Sand wrote: »

Ireland is in a situation where 17.3% of the population was born abroad. If you're not talking about mass immigration then what are you talking about?

I said "immigration is fine". I didn't put a quantity on it.

You're seeing what you want to see.

Sand · 18-06-2020 9:53pm

Tony EH wrote: »

I said "immigration is fine". I didn't put a quantity on it.

You're seeing what you want to see.

I too agree that migration, in general, is okay. However, that is not what is being discussed. Migration does not create multiculturalism. Small numbers of immigrants either get along or they leave. They cannot create their own cultures alien to the indigenous people so there is no systematic effect. Multiculturalism on the other hand requires mass migration. Massive numbers of immigrants can create their own communities where there is little or no need to interact with, let alone integrate with, the indigenous people.

We might be violently agreeing, so I'll leave it at that but I still don't accept that the problem is that the vast number of migrants is not 'integrating'. I don't blame them for that. When migration is so huge, they don't have to integrate and they wont any more than British and Irish tourists do when holidaying in Spain. The root cause of the problem is mass migration. It is a numbers game. Period.

Tony EH · 18-06-2020 10:02pm

Sand wrote: »

I too agree that migration, in general, is okay. However, that is not what is being discussed.

What's being discussed are people's views on multiculturalism.

For my part, and the post you replied to, I mentioned only that I think that "immigration is fine". I didn't state anything else about it. You saw that as "mass immigration" and started going off about ideology and Alan Shatter.

There was nothing in my post that prompted your reply to it, other than what you thought you saw.

The actual thrust of my post is that I don't think multiculturalism works, or can work. Nor have I seen it work anywhere else.

olestoepoke · 18-06-2020 10:05pm

TomTomTim wrote: »

I was just checking your post history. You're actually trying to shame advertisers now because people are talking about thing you don't like. That's pathetic to say the least.

You know what else is pathetic, checking another members post history.:D

2u2me · 19-06-2020 6:41am

Sand wrote: »

I still don't accept that the problem is that the vast number of migrants is not 'integrating'. I don't blame them for that. When migration is so huge, they don't have to integrate and they wont any more than British and Irish tourists do when holidaying in Spain. The root cause of the problem is mass migration. It is a numbers game. Period.

Perhaps that is the hangup here in the word 'integrate'.

Maybe the ones pushing multiculturalism the most are using it as a stick to beat people with "If only you were all nicer; things would be going a lot better but for all you racists" etc.. etc..

That's not what I mean though and I believe others.

To integrate you need a willingness on the party entering the country.

Grab All Association · 19-06-2020 7:24am

Integration is the key here. There’s Africans acting like total scumbags in Dublin City, Cork City etc yet here in Thurles an African boy cycles a mountain bike through the town with a Hurley and helmet on the handle bars. Will probably make the Tipperary team some day. The young African girls are mixed in well with Irish students and don’t stick with other black students. Fact is you never see two Africans together in Thurles.

There’s a black lady who works in AIB as a cleaner and she always smiles and says hello to everyone.

Maybe the problem is Dublin, Cork and Limerick? Because every black persons I’ve met here in Tipperary obeys the law and works very hard in their jobs.

Dyr · 19-06-2020 9:11am

Sand wrote: »

There is a problem with the ideology that mass migration would be fine if they integrated. It ignores the reality that Africans, Asians and Amerindians cannot 'integrate' with a European culture anymore than Europeans were able to integrate with African, Asian and Amerindian cultures. Irish is a European ethnicity, not an African one, not an Asian one and not an Amerindian one.

The best definition of multicultural society Ive seen is the expectation that a host population should abandon their own culture while immigrant populations should cling to theirs.

ThunbergsAreGo · 19-06-2020 9:15am

I think immigration has been great for Ireland.

Our position within the EU, and ability to attract high quality skilled workers from within has contributed largely to many large companies especially within IT setting up here.

Dyr · 19-06-2020 9:16am

Grab All Association wrote: »

Integration is the key here. There’s Africans acting like total scumbags in Dublin City, Cork City etc yet here in Thurles an African boy cycles a mountain bike through the town with a Hurley and helmet on the handle bars. .

There is a tipping point for integration though, I've met recent immigrants in Dublin (mostly ones who work for the big tech companies), who have asked me where I'm from because they still havent figured out what Irish people sound like. They havent interacted with the local populace much.

The GAA are one of the few cultural institutions we have that immigrants can assimilate through and they do a good job of it.

ShatterAlan · 19-06-2020 9:53am

KungPao wrote: »

It doesn’t work. And I’m sad to see the Ireland I grew up in lose it’s character.

If you come here, integrate.

I asked this in the Dijon thread but what do you mean by "integrate"?

chosen1 · 19-06-2020 10:00am

Grab All Association wrote: »

Integration is the key here. There’s Africans acting like total scumbags in Dublin City, Cork City etc yet here in Thurles an African boy cycles a mountain bike through the town with a Hurley and helmet on the handle bars. Will probably make the Tipperary team some day. The young African girls are mixed in well with Irish students and don’t stick with other black students. Fact is you never see two Africans together in Thurles.

There’s a black lady who works in AIB as a cleaner and she always smiles and says hello to everyone.

Maybe the problem is Dublin, Cork and Limerick? Because every black persons I’ve met here in Tipperary obeys the law and works very hard in their jobs.

I don't personally know anything about the numbers of African immigrants in Thurles but I would guess from the way you describe it, they would be small. This is ideal for integration and it is great to see them adapt to Irish lifestyle while maybe maintaining some aspects of their own cultures. This is similar to Irish Americans in most places, where an outsider would consider them American while they maintain elements of Irish culture.

The problem arises when you put large numbers of any immigrants into certain areas and they outnumber Irish people. In pockets of Blanch, Balbriggan, Tallaght etc. there is little to no integration. They aren't even following the culture of their parents who are sometimes lovely people. Instead in a social media age, they are mimicking Afro-Caribbean culture from the streets of London. You only have to listen to the accent they put on and their slang to get this. There are even white gobsh*ites hanging around with them who sound like this. It sounds harmless enough until you realise they form these postcode gangs and they go around causing mayhem when they decide to travel around in very large groups. The government needs to set an example for these before it escalates into regular muggings and stabbings etc.

Overall I have no major problem with immigration in general but the powers that be need to learn from the mistakes of other countries where ghettos are a regular feature. I do feel though that it is too late for some of these areas mentioned.

ShatterAlan · 19-06-2020 10:01am

suicide_circus wrote: »

there is an inescapable link between those in favour of mass immigration and those who generally do not have to compete with those immigrants for jobs.

What's "mass" immigration as opposed to just immigration and who supports it?

biko · 19-06-2020 10:07am

ShatterAlan wrote: »

I asked this in the Dijon thread but what do you mean by "integrate"?

Usually integrate means assimilate.

The opposite of multiculturalism is assimilation with the goal of monoculturalism, or the notion that if you come to Ireland you are expected
to adopt Irish customs and kinda abandon your own.

For instance. If you go live in a country where the drinking of alcohol is prohibited you are expected to not drink alcohol.

Eric Cartman · 19-06-2020 10:08am

suicide_circus wrote: »

there is an inescapable link between those in favour of mass immigration and those who generally do not have to compete with those immigrants for jobs.

the same with those who championed the ballaghaderreen migrant centre, who champion mass social housing developments, who champion the super mosque being built in blanchardstown or halting sites. Its academics, students or people working for the likes of NGOs who live in settled areas with tiny crime rates and no space to ever possibly impose these things on their community.

Its usually absolute classism, championing working class areas being burdened by these things and calling everyone in the area who objects 'dumb racists' . 'We know better than you , you'll be better for this diversity' they shriek from their Georgian 3 storey over basement in ranelagh.

olestoepoke · 19-06-2020 10:59am

biko wrote: »

Usually integrate means assimilate.

The opposite of multiculturalism is assimilation with the goal of monoculturalism, or the notion that if you come to Ireland you are expected
to adopt Irish customs and kinda abandon your own.

For instance. If you go live in a country where the drinking of alcohol is prohibited you are expected to not drink alcohol.

Another example would be if you move to a country where mutilating the genitals of a baby is illegal you'd be expected not to do that.

Yurt2 · 19-06-2020 11:30am

ShatterAlan wrote: »

What's "mass" immigration as opposed to just immigration and who supports it?

An mode of immigration where the powers the state that are charged with enforcing the law that shrugs its shoulders at significant amounts of overstayers and rejected asylum seekers. And has mindless cheerleaders encouraging it, who will ignore the detrimental effects of such immigration and grossly exaggerate the benefits to the host society.

I'd say we're approaching mass immigration in Ireland. The UK certainly experienced it from the 90s onwards, countries like Sweden and France also.

All peachy there am I right?

RobbieTheRobber · 19-06-2020 11:37am

olestoepoke wrote: »

Another example would be if you move to a country where mutilating the genitals of a baby is illegal you'd be expected not to do that.

Its great to hear another voice calling for a ban on male circumcision in Ireland!

biko · 19-06-2020 12:30pm

Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán

I also see that law enforcement and police are on the streets and yet there is a wave of violence.
Statues are being toppled, the conditions are deplorable, and there are gang wars on the beautiful streets of small towns in civilized Western European countries,"

"I look at the countries of those who are advising us how to conduct our lives properly and on good governance, proper operation of democracy,
and I don't know whether to laugh or cry."

https://rmx.news/article/article/hungary-s-pm-orban-says-western-europe-pursues-liberal-imperialism

double jobbing · 19-06-2020 1:07pm

biko wrote: »

Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán

"I also see that law enforcement and police are on the streets and yet there is a wave of violence.
Statues are being toppled, the conditions are deplorable, and there are gang wars on the beautiful streets of small towns in civilized Western European countries,"

"I look at the countries of those who are advising us how to conduct our lives properly and on good governance, proper operation of democracy,
and I don't know whether to laugh or cry.""

https://rmx.news/article/article/hungary-s-pm-orban-says-western-europe-pursues-liberal-imperialism

This here is leadership.

Off the top of my head, in the last few days/ weeks

- RBB and Mick Barry have called for no deportations in seemingly any circumstance, and the allocation of houses/ flats to newly arrived asylum seekers in the middle of a national housing crisis

- FG have mooted minority quotas for some state positions

- politicians who rightly criticised Gemma O'Doherty's goons holding their days out at the Four Courts openly encouraged wasters days out to the American Embassy to protest police violence in a faraway place. Only sheer luck prevented this having an effect on the virus spreading- had the George Floyd incident happened in the middle of April the event would still have went ahead and the infections would have set us back weeks

- a demand of a junior coalition partner is the abolition of a direct provision system that already treats residents preferentially to Irish citizens (how many returning Irish emigrants are given free accommodation while they get back on their feet, free food, a medical card etc)

- Eoin O'Broin shared a link to this absolute scutter

https://inar.ie/10-things-you-can-do-about-racism-in-ireland/

Start your anti-racism work from the perspective of recognising your own circumstances and privilege, this is key to understanding any role you could inadvertently play in reinforcing systemic racism. It may be an unpleasant and uncomfortable exercise to many. White privilege may be hard to see for those of us born with access to power and resources. On the other hand, it is very visible for those to whom privilege was not granted. This words by Harry Brod can help you understand it better:

“We need to be clear that there is no such thing as giving up one’s privilege to be ‘outside’ the system. One is always in the system. The only question is whether one is part of the system in a way that challenges or strengthens the status quo. Privilege is not something I take and which therefore have the option of not taking. It is something that society gives me, and unless I change the institutions which give it to me, they will continue to give it, and I will continue to have it, however noble and equalitarian my intentions.”

Five years ago you'd laugh when you read about all this type of thing happening in Sweden, that it showed their men as being weak. We're just as bad now.

Dyr · 19-06-2020 2:02pm

biko wrote: »

Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán

https://rmx.news/article/article/hungary-s-pm-orban-says-western-europe-pursues-liberal-imperialism

In fairness, most of the countries lecturing him arent being run by a kleptomaniac like the bould Victor

Snickers Man · 19-06-2020 2:10pm

KungPao wrote: »

If you come here, integrate.

You can't have integration without differentiation.

People who come here from abroad, speaking different languages, preferring different foods, listening to different music, playing different sports etc etc must be allowed to differentiate themselves without being REQUIRED to learn how to dance the Waves of Tory, make boxty and coddle, and attach themselves to their resident county's GAA team.

The strength of our cultural institutions, if allied with a generous and welcoming spirit, will see their adoption by enough newcomers to thrive as long as it is not forced.

Can't have one without the other.
Ask Isaac Newton

(Sorry, that's a bit too much like student humour and I'm really too old for that sort of ****e

)

WrenBoy · 19-06-2020 3:46pm

Snickers Man wrote: »

You can't have integration without differentiation.

People who come here from abroad, speaking different languages, preferring different foods, listening to different music, playing different sports etc etc must be allowed to differentiate themselves without being REQUIRED to learn how to dance the Waves of Tory, make boxty and coddle, and attach themselves to their resident county's GAA team.

The strength of our cultural institutions, if allied with a generous and welcoming spirit, will see their adoption by enough newcomers to thrive as long as it is not forced.

Can't have one without the other.
Ask Isaac Newton

(Sorry, that's a bit too much like student humour and I'm really too old for that sort of ****e )

I feel that those examples, Waves of Tory, making boxty etc are hyper specific and aren't what people are concerned about, speaking for myself Im more concerned about their views on the treatment/acceptance of Women and Homosexuals as well as private property and freedom of speech/expression as it is in Western Europe.

And before ye say we have people here that don't have respect for women or acceptance of homosexuals I would posit thats a minority that exist within a culture that is for the most part very accepting of these groups.

ShatterAlan · 19-06-2020 3:52pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Allowing our EU friends in has proved to be a positive for Ireland, high employment rates, compatible culture, a lot of integration and very friendly people who put roots down and contribute to the community.

Some non EU migrants such as tech workers from the states and Asia work pretty well, although integration into our customs is pretty low among among the asian community but there are no real negatives associated with such.

migration from South America, Africa, the Middle East and some west asian nations (Pakistan etc..) has proven disastrous. High Unemployment, High welfare dependance, low education, high levels of criminality, almost no integration, remunerating a lot of money to their home countries and not spending in the local economy, complete cultural incompatibility and a lack of co-operation with gardai. We were promised their doctors and engineers, we got their equivalent to 'Anto from the flats'

It's their money. They can do whatever they want with it. I thought we were supposed to live in a "global" economy. What's the difference between some guy from Cameroon setting aside some money each month and sending is to his home country and an Irish person setting aside some money each month and then taking it all on a 2 week blowout in Las Vegas? Or people saving up all year and then going Christmas shopping in New York? Or buying a holiday home in Malaga? It's money leaving the country. It's THEIR money. What's your problem with it?

And what's this "almost no integration" of which you speak? Could you be a bit more specific? Every single immigrant I know works, speaks English and their kids go to Irish schools. What more integration are you clamouring for? Walk around town on any given weekday and you'll see black and Asian kids in Irish school uniforms on their way home from school, weighed down by satchels of schoolbooks.....schoolbooks on IRISH history, IRISH Geography, IRISH poetry.....the FCUKING IRISH language. I'd say a lot of them have a better grasp of Irish than you do.

19-06-2020 3:58pm

ShatterAlan wrote: »

It's their money. They can do whatever they want with it. I thought we were supposed to live in a "global" economy. What's the difference between some guy from Cameroon setting aside some money each month and sending is to his home country and an Irish person setting aside some money each month and then taking it all on a 2 week blowout in Las Vegas? Or people saving up all year and then going Christmas shopping in New York? Or buying a holiday home in Malaga? It's money leaving the country. It's THEIR money. What's your problem with it?

And what's this "almost no integration" of which you speak? Could you be a bit more specific? Every single immigrant I know works, speaks English and their kids go to Irish schools. What more integration are you clamouring for? Walk around town on any given weekday and you'll see black and Asian kids in Irish school uniforms on their way home from school, weighed down by satchels of schoolbooks.....schoolbooks on IRISH history, IRISH Geography, IRISH poetry.....the FCUKING IRISH language. I'd say a lot of them have a better grasp of Irish than you do.

You still dont get it do you,what proper integration means?

Odhinn · 19-06-2020 4:08pm

Deleted User wrote: »

You still dont get it do you,what proper integration means?

Please do tell us then.

Eric Cartman · 19-06-2020 4:16pm

ShatterAlan wrote: »

It's their money. They can do whatever they want with it. I thought we were supposed to live in a "global" economy. What's the difference between some guy from Cameroon setting aside some money each month and sending is to his home country and an Irish person setting aside some money each month and then taking it all on a 2 week blowout in Las Vegas? Or people saving up all year and then going Christmas shopping in New York? Or buying a holiday home in Malaga? It's money leaving the country. It's THEIR money. What's your problem with it?

And what's this "almost no integration" of which you speak? Could you be a bit more specific? Every single immigrant I know works, speaks English and their kids go to Irish schools. What more integration are you clamouring for? Walk around town on any given weekday and you'll see black and Asian kids in Irish school uniforms on their way home from school, weighed down by satchels of schoolbooks.....schoolbooks on IRISH history, IRISH Geography, IRISH poetry.....the FCUKING IRISH language. I'd say a lot of them have a better grasp of Irish than you do.

Its our tax money, renumerating welfare oayments is immoral and should be illegal, and that goes for anyone doing it.

19-06-2020 4:26pm

Odhinn wrote: »

Please do tell us then.

I allready did in another thread covering the same subject

Madeleine Birchfield · 19-06-2020 4:39pm

We are going to need multiculturalism for the sake of the Ulster Unionists in the event of reunification. Only way they'll ever accept being a part of a united Ireland.

ShatterAlan · 19-06-2020 4:43pm

tonycascarino wrote: »

My view is that multiculturalism doesn't work. However, I do not mind fellow Europeans coming in but I think it is time to pull up the drawbridge on African and Asian economic migrants who are coming here pretending they are asylum seekers and who are adding nothing to society here in general.

Would these be the ones who leave the buggy at the bus stop and get on the bus because the SW will just give them another one?

ShatterAlan · 19-06-2020 4:46pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

how do you know that? you're only just registered

You don't need to be registered to read threads. One can be an unregistered reader for years.

Kivaro · 19-06-2020 4:48pm

Some triggered posts on here.
Happy Juneteenth everyone.

Macytoby · 19-06-2020 4:51pm

There’s a difference between multi-ethnic and multiculturalism.

Immigration needs to be limited, and restricted until current immigrants assimilate to the dominant culture. This applies for every nation right across the globe.

Odhinn · 19-06-2020 4:52pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I allready did in another thread covering the same subject

Could you repeat what you said or provide a link to that post?

Madeleine Birchfield · 19-06-2020 5:01pm

Macytoby wrote: »

There’s a difference between multi-ethnic and multiculturalism.

Immigration needs to be limited, and restricted until current immigrants assimilate to the dominant culture. This applies for every nation right across the globe.

In the event of Irish reunification, how much of Northern Ireland could Ireland take before Ireland is unable to assimilate the Ulster Unionists into Irish culture?

biko · 19-06-2020 5:02pm

Kivaro wrote: »

Happy Juneteenth everyone.

Happy Juneteenth

Macytoby · 19-06-2020 5:04pm

Madeleine Birchfield wrote: »

In the event of Irish reunification, how much of Northern Ireland could Ireland take before Ireland is unable to assimilate the Ulster Unionists into Irish culture?

What a pointless, loaded question

Strumms · 19-06-2020 5:04pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Allowing our EU friends in has proved to be a positive for Ireland, high employment rates, compatible culture, a lot of integration and very friendly people who put roots down and contribute to the community.

Some non EU migrants such as tech workers from the states and Asia work pretty well, although integration into our customs is pretty low among among the asian community but there are no real negatives associated with such.

migration from South America, Africa, the Middle East and some west asian nations (Pakistan etc..) has proven disastrous. High Unemployment, High welfare dependance, low education, high levels of criminality, almost no integration, remunerating a lot of money to their home countries and not spending in the local economy, complete cultural incompatibility and a lack of co-operation with gardai. We were promised their doctors and engineers, we got their equivalent to 'Anto from the flats'

It’s only my situation but people whom I know, would be friendly with and who are from Brazil and every single one are free of having criminal records, they ALL work here legally, socialize here, study here, contribute and respect their environment, neighbors, opportunities, and the law. Employers include...

Apple x2
HSE x2
Private Health Practice x1

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