I also see that law enforcement and police are on the streets and yet there is a wave of violence. Statues are being toppled, the conditions are deplorable, and there are gang wars on the beautiful streets of small towns in civilized Western European countries," "I look at the countries of those who are advising us how to conduct our lives properly and on good governance, proper operation of democracy, and I don't know whether to laugh or cry."
olestoepoke wrote: » Another example would be if you move to a country where mutilating the genitals of a baby is illegal you'd be expected not to do that.
ShatterAlan wrote: » What's "mass" immigration as opposed to just immigration and who supports it?
biko wrote: » Usually integrate means assimilate. The opposite of multiculturalism is assimilation with the goal of monoculturalism, or the notion that if you come to Ireland you are expected to adopt Irish customs and kinda abandon your own. For instance. If you go live in a country where the drinking of alcohol is prohibited you are expected to not drink alcohol.
suicide_circus wrote: » there is an inescapable link between those in favour of mass immigration and those who generally do not have to compete with those immigrants for jobs.
ShatterAlan wrote: » I asked this in the Dijon thread but what do you mean by "integrate"?
Grab All Association wrote: » Integration is the key here. There’s Africans acting like total scumbags in Dublin City, Cork City etc yet here in Thurles an African boy cycles a mountain bike through the town with a Hurley and helmet on the handle bars. Will probably make the Tipperary team some day. The young African girls are mixed in well with Irish students and don’t stick with other black students. Fact is you never see two Africans together in Thurles. There’s a black lady who works in AIB as a cleaner and she always smiles and says hello to everyone. Maybe the problem is Dublin, Cork and Limerick? Because every black persons I’ve met here in Tipperary obeys the law and works very hard in their jobs.
KungPao wrote: » It doesn’t work. And I’m sad to see the Ireland I grew up in lose it’s character. If you come here, integrate.
Grab All Association wrote: » Integration is the key here. There’s Africans acting like total scumbags in Dublin City, Cork City etc yet here in Thurles an African boy cycles a mountain bike through the town with a Hurley and helmet on the handle bars. .
Sand wrote: » There is a problem with the ideology that mass migration would be fine if they integrated. It ignores the reality that Africans, Asians and Amerindians cannot 'integrate' with a European culture anymore than Europeans were able to integrate with African, Asian and Amerindian cultures. Irish is a European ethnicity, not an African one, not an Asian one and not an Amerindian one.
Sand wrote: » I still don't accept that the problem is that the vast number of migrants is not 'integrating'. I don't blame them for that. When migration is so huge, they don't have to integrate and they wont any more than British and Irish tourists do when holidaying in Spain. The root cause of the problem is mass migration. It is a numbers game. Period.
TomTomTim wrote: » I was just checking your post history. You're actually trying to shame advertisers now because people are talking about thing you don't like. That's pathetic to say the least.
Sand wrote: » I too agree that migration, in general, is okay. However, that is not what is being discussed.
Tony EH wrote: » I said "immigration is fine". I didn't put a quantity on it. You're seeing what you want to see.
Sand wrote: » Ireland is in a situation where 17.3% of the population was born abroad. If you're not talking about mass immigration then what are you talking about?
DrGreenThumb82 wrote: » Which multicultural society are we trying to emulate? Because if it is the U.S., France, Sweden or the UK then thanks but no thanks.
Tony EH wrote: » ^ Nobody mentioned "mass immigration".
Tony EH wrote: » Immigration is fine. Multiculturalism is not something that can work though, and I've yet to see anywhere that it has. Even the melting pot of America is a largely failed attempt. When you choose to move to another country, you are moving to a place that already has a culture of its own. It shouldn't be expected to change things just so you can feel that your back in your home town. As a concept, multiculturalism sounds like a noble thing to try and achieve. But in practice, it hasn't worked and I don't think it ever will. Besides, what's wrong with moving to another country and, you know, integrating?
Bambi wrote: » The wounds the Koreans caused by having the temerity defend their stores from Black looters? Damn racist Koreans :mad:
Yurt! wrote: » They're far from shanty towns, but from places I've been, Koreatown in LA and Chinatown in Flushing NY are places where you'd be better served speaking Korean and Mandarin respectively. A significant amount of fresh of the boats there have either limited to no English and don't have an incentive to learn such is the monoculture in both areas. If that's desirable or not for the host country or not, should really be up to the society. I'm not sure I'd be encouraging such enclaves in Ireland no matter how nice the Kim or Zhang families are. I'd much rather we'd have a model of immigration where people land legally, stay legally and become part of the fabric rapidly as opposed to forming large ethnic blocks and parallel societies. The Korean community in LA in particular grew really rapidly to the exclusion of other ethnies and ran into bitter conflicts with the black and Hispanic communities in central LA. Those wounds haven't healed even to this day. Both of the above immigrant communities (Korean and Chinese) generally tend to have high levels of community organisation, family cohesion, low reliance on welfare, high levels of educational attainment in the 2nd generation and low levels of interaction with the police, so for the most part stay under the radar. That's not true if many immigrant groups, and we can see examples or South Asian communities in the UK that really haven't got with the programme and even on the 2nd and 3rd generation. Rapid and uncontrolled immigration is not all peaches and rainbows no matter how much you paint it to be.
Yurt! wrote: » The Korean community in LA in particular grew really rapidly to the exclusion of other ethnies and ran into bitter conflicts with the black and Hispanic communities in central LA. Those wounds haven't healed even to this day.
2u2me wrote: » Show me koreans and chinese shanty towns of people that just don't fit into the system. .
Stateofyou wrote: » Are you white and living in Ireland? So why would you be "crying racism" if so. Some instances it's due to the skill set, obviously. But also obviously, discrimination and bias in the hiring process is real.
biko wrote: » OP is right that immigration has a positive effect on the economy. There are thousands of people here that work for Irish, British or US companies. "Immigration" itself isn't bad.
Stateofyou wrote: » And the Chief Commissioner of the Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission, using data from the CSO, is in on it too? "Emily Logan, Chief Commissioner of the Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission, said access to and use of good quality data and empirical research are “of crucial importance in identifying the barriers to the full enjoyment of human rights and equality that persist in our society, as well as the people whom these barriers most affect”. “The much higher rates of labour market discrimination experienced by some ethnic groups highlights the need for employers to proactively work to ensure diversity in the workplace and to avoid incidences of discrimination in recruitment.”
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