Tony EH wrote: » ^ Nobody mentioned "mass immigration".
DrGreenThumb82 wrote: » Which multicultural society are we trying to emulate? Because if it is the U.S., France, Sweden or the UK then thanks but no thanks.
Sand wrote: » Ireland is in a situation where 17.3% of the population was born abroad. If you're not talking about mass immigration then what are you talking about?
Tony EH wrote: » I said "immigration is fine". I didn't put a quantity on it. You're seeing what you want to see.
Sand wrote: » I too agree that migration, in general, is okay. However, that is not what is being discussed.
TomTomTim wrote: » I was just checking your post history. You're actually trying to shame advertisers now because people are talking about thing you don't like. That's pathetic to say the least.
Sand wrote: » I still don't accept that the problem is that the vast number of migrants is not 'integrating'. I don't blame them for that. When migration is so huge, they don't have to integrate and they wont any more than British and Irish tourists do when holidaying in Spain. The root cause of the problem is mass migration. It is a numbers game. Period.
Sand wrote: » There is a problem with the ideology that mass migration would be fine if they integrated. It ignores the reality that Africans, Asians and Amerindians cannot 'integrate' with a European culture anymore than Europeans were able to integrate with African, Asian and Amerindian cultures. Irish is a European ethnicity, not an African one, not an Asian one and not an Amerindian one.
Grab All Association wrote: » Integration is the key here. There’s Africans acting like total scumbags in Dublin City, Cork City etc yet here in Thurles an African boy cycles a mountain bike through the town with a Hurley and helmet on the handle bars. .
KungPao wrote: » It doesn’t work. And I’m sad to see the Ireland I grew up in lose it’s character. If you come here, integrate.
Grab All Association wrote: » Integration is the key here. There’s Africans acting like total scumbags in Dublin City, Cork City etc yet here in Thurles an African boy cycles a mountain bike through the town with a Hurley and helmet on the handle bars. Will probably make the Tipperary team some day. The young African girls are mixed in well with Irish students and don’t stick with other black students. Fact is you never see two Africans together in Thurles. There’s a black lady who works in AIB as a cleaner and she always smiles and says hello to everyone. Maybe the problem is Dublin, Cork and Limerick? Because every black persons I’ve met here in Tipperary obeys the law and works very hard in their jobs.
suicide_circus wrote: » there is an inescapable link between those in favour of mass immigration and those who generally do not have to compete with those immigrants for jobs.
ShatterAlan wrote: » I asked this in the Dijon thread but what do you mean by "integrate"?
biko wrote: » Usually integrate means assimilate. The opposite of multiculturalism is assimilation with the goal of monoculturalism, or the notion that if you come to Ireland you are expected to adopt Irish customs and kinda abandon your own. For instance. If you go live in a country where the drinking of alcohol is prohibited you are expected to not drink alcohol.
ShatterAlan wrote: » What's "mass" immigration as opposed to just immigration and who supports it?
olestoepoke wrote: » Another example would be if you move to a country where mutilating the genitals of a baby is illegal you'd be expected not to do that.
I also see that law enforcement and police are on the streets and yet there is a wave of violence. Statues are being toppled, the conditions are deplorable, and there are gang wars on the beautiful streets of small towns in civilized Western European countries," "I look at the countries of those who are advising us how to conduct our lives properly and on good governance, proper operation of democracy, and I don't know whether to laugh or cry."
biko wrote: » Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán "I also see that law enforcement and police are on the streets and yet there is a wave of violence. Statues are being toppled, the conditions are deplorable, and there are gang wars on the beautiful streets of small towns in civilized Western European countries," "I look at the countries of those who are advising us how to conduct our lives properly and on good governance, proper operation of democracy, and I don't know whether to laugh or cry.""https://rmx.news/article/article/hungary-s-pm-orban-says-western-europe-pursues-liberal-imperialism
Start your anti-racism work from the perspective of recognising your own circumstances and privilege, this is key to understanding any role you could inadvertently play in reinforcing systemic racism. It may be an unpleasant and uncomfortable exercise to many. White privilege may be hard to see for those of us born with access to power and resources. On the other hand, it is very visible for those to whom privilege was not granted. This words by Harry Brod can help you understand it better: “We need to be clear that there is no such thing as giving up one’s privilege to be ‘outside’ the system. One is always in the system. The only question is whether one is part of the system in a way that challenges or strengthens the status quo. Privilege is not something I take and which therefore have the option of not taking. It is something that society gives me, and unless I change the institutions which give it to me, they will continue to give it, and I will continue to have it, however noble and equalitarian my intentions.”
biko wrote: » Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbánhttps://rmx.news/article/article/hungary-s-pm-orban-says-western-europe-pursues-liberal-imperialism
KungPao wrote: » If you come here, integrate.
Snickers Man wrote: » You can't have integration without differentiation. People who come here from abroad, speaking different languages, preferring different foods, listening to different music, playing different sports etc etc must be allowed to differentiate themselves without being REQUIRED to learn how to dance the Waves of Tory, make boxty and coddle, and attach themselves to their resident county's GAA team. The strength of our cultural institutions, if allied with a generous and welcoming spirit, will see their adoption by enough newcomers to thrive as long as it is not forced. Can't have one without the other. Ask Isaac Newton (Sorry, that's a bit too much like student humour and I'm really too old for that sort of ****e )
Eric Cartman wrote: » Allowing our EU friends in has proved to be a positive for Ireland, high employment rates, compatible culture, a lot of integration and very friendly people who put roots down and contribute to the community. Some non EU migrants such as tech workers from the states and Asia work pretty well, although integration into our customs is pretty low among among the asian community but there are no real negatives associated with such. migration from South America, Africa, the Middle East and some west asian nations (Pakistan etc..) has proven disastrous. High Unemployment, High welfare dependance, low education, high levels of criminality, almost no integration, remunerating a lot of money to their home countries and not spending in the local economy, complete cultural incompatibility and a lack of co-operation with gardai. We were promised their doctors and engineers, we got their equivalent to 'Anto from the flats'
ShatterAlan wrote: » It's their money. They can do whatever they want with it. I thought we were supposed to live in a "global" economy. What's the difference between some guy from Cameroon setting aside some money each month and sending is to his home country and an Irish person setting aside some money each month and then taking it all on a 2 week blowout in Las Vegas? Or people saving up all year and then going Christmas shopping in New York? Or buying a holiday home in Malaga? It's money leaving the country. It's THEIR money. What's your problem with it? And what's this "almost no integration" of which you speak? Could you be a bit more specific? Every single immigrant I know works, speaks English and their kids go to Irish schools. What more integration are you clamouring for? Walk around town on any given weekday and you'll see black and Asian kids in Irish school uniforms on their way home from school, weighed down by satchels of schoolbooks.....schoolbooks on IRISH history, IRISH Geography, IRISH poetry.....the FCUKING IRISH language. I'd say a lot of them have a better grasp of Irish than you do.
Deleted User wrote: » You still dont get it do you,what proper integration means?
Odhinn wrote: » Please do tell us then.
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