Heavyweight Boxing

walshb · 23-01-2018 12:25pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

Can't really make much of a judgement on Fury until he fights. The odds are against him but I feel the HW climate could change suddenly

I'd say Fury's praying that somehow Chisora becomes lineal champ, setting up a lineal HW clash for him.....

yourdeadwright · 23-01-2018 12:30pm

Why did Fury leave his Uncle ? has he spoke about it ,
I think it was a huge mistake from him, I think he's got yes men now which is not what he needs at all ,

Morrison J · 23-01-2018 2:19pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Why did Fury leave his Uncle ? has he spoke about it ,
I think it was a huge mistake from him, I think he's got yes men now which is not what he needs at all ,

Has said it was getting stale going over the same things in the gym and that he wanted a change. No falling out or anything and hasn't ruled out working with him in the future.

It's working for the time being as he's clearly as motivated as he's been in years but when the fights come round I wouldn't be surprised to see Peter come back into the picture.

yourdeadwright · 23-01-2018 3:29pm

Morrison J wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Why did Fury leave his Uncle ? has he spoke about it ,
I think it was a huge mistake from him, I think he's got yes men now which is not what he needs at all ,

Has said it was getting stale going over the same things in the gym and that he wanted a change. No falling out or anything and hasn't ruled out working with him in the future.

It's working for the time being as he's clearly as motivated as he's been in years but when the fights come round I wouldn't be surprised to see Peter come back into the picture.

Does anyone know what weight he is at ? or what has he lost ?

squinn2912 · 23-01-2018 4:42pm

He looks to have lost quite a bit of weight but it's only going from dangerously obese to very overweight. Of course that's a big step for anyone esp with mental health issues but he has all sorts of titles for himself. It means little more than bluff until he actually fights then we can decide. There was similar talk before the Wlad rematch that never came about. If he he's back to his prime then I think he can take them all but if he doesn't then it's just a payday to get ko'd.
It's interesting that all of the main contenders have question marks on their records

Morrison J · 23-01-2018 5:12pm

He said on the latest Steve Bunce podcast he's lost four stone.

Jack Kanoff · 23-01-2018 5:13pm

He was reported to be between 26-27 stone before camp....

user5147 · 23-01-2018 8:58pm

yourdeadwright · 24-01-2018 12:17pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

He looks to have lost quite a bit of weight but it's only going from dangerously obese to very overweight. Of course that's a big step for anyone esp with mental health issues but he has all sorts of titles for himself. It means little more than bluff until he actually fights then we can decide. There was similar talk before the Wlad rematch that never came about. If he he's back to his prime then I think he can take them all but if he doesn't then it's just a payday to get ko'd.
It's interesting that all of the main contenders have question marks on their records

I think the something that ruins boxing is fighters trying to keep there 0 ,
It seems to be such a big thing these days that fighters do not take tuff fights but always look for the easy fight, back in the day people like Steve Colins went and fought the top at a young age and developed that way and became great fighters, Now its all nonsense fight nobodies unless its a massive pay day

squinn2912 · 24-01-2018 3:03pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

squinn2912 wrote: »

He looks to have lost quite a bit of weight but it's only going from dangerously obese to very overweight. Of course that's a big step for anyone esp with mental health issues but he has all sorts of titles for himself. It means little more than bluff until he actually fights then we can decide. There was similar talk before the Wlad rematch that never came about. If he he's back to his prime then I think he can take them all but if he doesn't then it's just a payday to get ko'd.
It's interesting that all of the main contenders have question marks on their records

I think the something that ruins boxing is fighters trying to keep there 0 ,
It seems to be such a big thing these days that fighters do not take tuff fights but always look for the easy fight, back in the day people like Steve Colins went and fought the top at a young age and developed that way and became great fighters, Now its all nonsense fight nobodies unless its a massive pay day

I completely agree with you! There's some amount of dirt even in the HW division walking about with a paper 0. Even then though Eubank and Benn were rather protected while Collins was in batter session in America. Then he kicked the lining out of both. It's thrown at wilder often that he fought a lot of opponents outside the top 30! Though there are other factors to the story. Avoiding hard fights isn't new.

yourdeadwright · 24-01-2018 3:27pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

squinn2912 wrote: »

He looks to have lost quite a bit of weight but it's only going from dangerously obese to very overweight. Of course that's a big step for anyone esp with mental health issues but he has all sorts of titles for himself. It means little more than bluff until he actually fights then we can decide. There was similar talk before the Wlad rematch that never came about. If he he's back to his prime then I think he can take them all but if he doesn't then it's just a payday to get ko'd.
It's interesting that all of the main contenders have question marks on their records

I think the something that ruins boxing is fighters trying to keep there 0 ,
It seems to be such a big thing these days that fighters do not take tuff fights but always look for the easy fight, back in the day people like Steve Colins went and fought the top at a young age and developed that way and became great fighters, Now its all nonsense fight nobodies unless its a massive pay day

I completely agree with you! There's some amount of dirt even in the HW division walking about with a paper 0. Even then though Eubank and Benn were rather protected while Collins was in batter session in America. Then he kicked the lining out of both. It's thrown at wilder often that he fought a lot of opponents outside the top 30! Though there are other factors to the story. Avoiding hard fights isn't new.

I just think its the time's we live in, Its become a joke iv said it time and time again, AJ has fought one live fighter and he was a 40 year old who handn't fought in 2 years and lost his last fight but some how AJ is built up as the greatest Heavy weight since Ali ,

walshb · 24-01-2018 3:39pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I just think its the time's we live in, Its become a joke iv said it time and time again, AJ has fought one live fighter and he was a 40 year old who handn't fought in 2 years and lost his last fight but some how AJ is built up as the greatest Heavy weight since Ali ,

That's just hype and Sky and Hearn.

AJ is elite today. Probably the best on earth......He can only be the best for his era....

Other than Wilder I don't seen anyone being considered a real threat to him.

Ring still have Fury as champ, which is just plain stupid....but that is RING and their stupid lineal nonsense.

AJ and Fury have both beaten one very good fighter. Fury in a pathetic stinkfest, and AJ in a pretty high intensity scrap where he had to actually win the fight.

Real boxing fans aren't yet cementing AJ as an ATG, and he may never be called one. Even if he cleans out the division it may be a case of cleaning out a pretty "poor" lot of fighters.....

Personally I don't rate AJ in an ATG sense....Probably never will, as for me his talents don't deserve to be placed that high.

yourdeadwright · 24-01-2018 3:54pm

walshb wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I just think its the time's we live in, Its become a joke iv said it time and time again, AJ has fought one live fighter and he was a 40 year old who handn't fought in 2 years and lost his last fight but some how AJ is built up as the greatest Heavy weight since Ali ,

That's just hype and Sky and Hearn.

AJ is elite today. Probably the best on earth......He can only be the best for his era....

Other than Wilder I don't seen anyone being considered a real threat to him.

Ring still have Fury as champ, which is just plain stupid....but that is RING and their stupid lineal nonsense.

AJ and Fury have both beaten one very good fighter. Fury in a pathetic stinkfest, and AJ in a pretty high intensity scrap where he had to actually win the fight.

Real boxing fans aren't yet cementing AJ as an ATG, and he may never be called one. Even if he cleans out the division it may be a case of cleaning out a pretty "poor" lot of fighters.....

Personally I don't rate AJ in an ATG sense....Probably never will, as for me his talents don't deserve to be placed that high.

Another point of view is AJ nearly got stopped by a man 2 years out of the ring who lost his previous fight and Tyson done it without getting a scratch to a younger man in his own back yard who hadn't been beat in years ,
There is still a lot of better fighter's AJ could have faced already instead of the gimmies
As to date he hasn't fought any of the world top 6 ranked fighters , Wilder, Ortiz, Povetkin,Pulev (not his fault cancelled ) Parker (next fight) , even Briggs would be dangerous and Fury (hes been out so not yet )
He's being smart letting the older guys get another year or so older without fighting them , but there are some good fights in that lot and about time he starts fighting the top guys every fight,

walshb · 24-01-2018 5:02pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Another point of view is AJ nearly got stopped by a man 2 years out of the ring who lost his previous fight and Tyson done it without getting a scratch to a younger man in his own back yard who hadn't been beat in years ,
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I don't think that is a point of view.

AJ did nearly get stopped because he got whacked hard by a committed Wlad who carries legit HW power. AJ still weathered the storms, stormed back and laid a beating on Wlad.

Fury's fight.....nothing at all even happened. They tickled and messed around and hugged for 12 fooking rds....both of them...

yourdeadwright · 24-01-2018 5:09pm

walshb wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Another point of view is AJ nearly got stopped by a man 2 years out of the ring who lost his previous fight and Tyson done it without getting a scratch to a younger man in his own back yard who hadn't been beat in years ,
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I don't think that is a point of view.

AJ did nearly get stopped because he got whacked hard by a committed Wlad who carries legit HW power. AJ still weathered the storms, stormed back and laid a beating on Wlad.

Fury's fight.....nothing at all even happened. They tickled and messed around and hugged for 12 fooking rds....both of them...

I don't think that is a point of view.

AJ did nearly get stopped because he got whacked hard by a committed Wlad who carries legit HW power. AJ still weathered the storms, stormed back and laid a beating on Wlad.

Fury's fight.....nothing at all even happened. They tickled and messed around and hugged for 12 fooking rds....both of them...

How is it not a point of view ?The facts are there,

Fury beat a 38 yearold in his own back yard who was hadn't been beaten in years and was never once in trouble

AJ beat a 40 year old 2 years out of a ring coming off a loss, and was knocked down ,

If you don't like Fury fair enough but you can't rewrite history , The fight went to Fury;'s game plan and he won, not Fury fault Wlad couldn't get near him ,

How could you possible think something that happened is not a point of view ?
Why did you think nothing happened , would you say that was Wlad game plan or that was Tyson's ?

walshb · 24-01-2018 5:18pm

Because I am not sure what your point of view shows or intends to mean or intends to disprove...

You seem to have brought up the point to kind of lessen AJs win over Wlad...

Both beat Wlad....One more convincing than the other in terms of beating Wlad up....

yourdeadwright · 24-01-2018 5:18pm

69 fights and 21 years and no one else has ever beaten Wlad on points ,
Wlad spent years jabbing and spoiling his way to victory against anyone who caused any ounce of a treat and Tyson figured him out and beat him at his own game ,
But you are not impressed as he didn't;t fight the way you think he should, will ye get a grip man, He did it perfectly and it worked, im sure he'll shed a tear because he wasn't exciting enough for ye,

walshb · 24-01-2018 5:20pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

69 fights and 21 years and no one else has ever beaten Wlad on points ,
Wlad spent years jabbing and spoiling his way to victory against anyone who caused any ounce of a treat and Tyson figured him out and beat him at his own game ,
But you are not impressed as he didn't;t fight the way you think he should, will ye get a grip man, He did it perfectly and it worked, im sure he'll shed a tear because he wasn't exciting enough for ye,

True....Wlad was only ever KTFO before Fury beat him on points...

then KTFO after Fury beat him on points....

yourdeadwright · 24-01-2018 5:24pm

walshb wrote: »

Because I am not sure what your point of view shows or intends to mean or intends to disprove...

You seem to have brought up the point to kind of lessen AJs win over Wlad...

Both beat Wlad....One more convincing than the other in terms of beating Wlad up....

You clearly said AJ's win was impressive and Fury was pathetic .,
Furys is way more impressive, he beat the younger, more active, 10 year unbeaten , unfigured out fighter in his back yard , without any trouble,
AJ beat a recently

walshb wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

69 fights and 21 years and no one else has ever beaten Wlad on points ,
Wlad spent years jabbing and spoiling his way to victory against anyone who caused any ounce of a treat and Tyson figured him out and beat him at his own game ,
But you are not impressed as he didn't;t fight the way you think he should, will ye get a grip man, He did it perfectly and it worked, im sure he'll shed a tear because he wasn't exciting enough for ye,

True....Wlad was only ever KTFO before Fury beat him on points...

then KTFO after Fury beat him on points....

beaten , ring rusted, 40 year old, and nearly lost ,

yourdeadwright · 24-01-2018 5:25pm

walshb wrote: »

Because I am not sure what your point of view shows or intends to mean or intends to disprove...

You seem to have brought up the point to kind of lessen AJs win over Wlad...

Both beat Wlad....One more convincing than the other in terms of beating Wlad up....

You clearly said AJ's win was impressive and Fury was pathetic .,
Furys is way more impressive, he beat the younger, more active, 10 year unbeaten , unfigured out fighter in his back yard , without any trouble,
AJ beat a recently beaten , ring rusted, 40 year old, and nearly lost ,

walshb · 24-01-2018 5:25pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

You clearly said AJ's win was impressive and Fury was pathetic .,
Furys is way more impressive, he beat the younger, more active, 10 year unbeaten , unfigured out fighter in his back yard , without any trouble,
AJ beat a recently

beaten , ring rusted, 40 year old, and nearly lost ,

Let's not pretend that Wlad aged 38 when Fury beat him was somehow so superior to the one that AJ beat...

walshb · 24-01-2018 5:26pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

You clearly said AJ's win was impressive and Fury was pathetic .,
Furys is way more impressive, he beat the younger, more active, 10 year unbeaten , unfigured out fighter in his back yard , without any trouble,
AJ beat a recently beaten , ring rusted, 40 year old, and nearly lost ,

Ok, pathetic is probably too strong a word....

But for me his win and his display was nothing to be overly impressed with....

yourdeadwright · 24-01-2018 5:27pm

walshb wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

69 fights and 21 years and no one else has ever beaten Wlad on points ,
Wlad spent years jabbing and spoiling his way to victory against anyone who caused any ounce of a treat and Tyson figured him out and beat him at his own game ,
But you are not impressed as he didn't;t fight the way you think he should, will ye get a grip man, He did it perfectly and it worked, im sure he'll shed a tear because he wasn't exciting enough for ye,

True....Wlad was only ever KTFO before Fury beat him on points...

then KTFO after Fury beat him on points....

yep its true he was ko'd a few times and years before the Fury fight but with 67 fights as a heavy weight fights your always going to get caught with a big shot now and again,
No one out boxed him until Fury did,
AJ out lasted a 40 yearold there's a big difference

yourdeadwright · 24-01-2018 5:27pm

walshb wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

69 fights and 21 years and no one else has ever beaten Wlad on points ,
Wlad spent years jabbing and spoiling his way to victory against anyone who caused any ounce of a treat and Tyson figured him out and beat him at his own game ,
But you are not impressed as he didn't;t fight the way you think he should, will ye get a grip man, He did it perfectly and it worked, im sure he'll shed a tear because he wasn't exciting enough for ye,

True....Wlad was only ever KTFO before Fury beat him on points...

then KTFO after Fury beat him on points....

yep its true he was ko'd a few times and years before the Fury fight but with 67 fights as a heavy weight fights your always going to get caught with a big shot now and again,
No one out boxed him until Fury did,
AJ out lasted a 40 yearold there's a big difference

yourdeadwright · 24-01-2018 5:29pm

walshb wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

You clearly said AJ's win was impressive and Fury was pathetic .,
Furys is way more impressive, he beat the younger, more active, 10 year unbeaten , unfigured out fighter in his back yard , without any trouble,
AJ beat a recently beaten , ring rusted, 40 year old, and nearly lost ,

Ok, pathetic is probably too strong a word....

But for me his win and his display was nothing to be overly impressed with....

So beating a man at his own game in his own back yard who hadn't been beat in 11 years is not impressive ?
Right so

walshb · 24-01-2018 5:30pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

yep its true he was ko'd a few times and years before the Fury fight but with 67 fights as a heavy weight fights your always going to get caught with a big shot now and again,
No one out boxed him until Fury did,
AJ out lasted a 40 yearold there's a big difference

He didn't just outlast him, though. He took him out with punches. It was not a case of Wlad falling via ONLY exhaustion. AJ put a beating on him to close the show.

AJ also was ahead on two of three cards at the stoppage. So, AJ was also en-route to outpointing Wlad. And deservedly so I thought.

walshb · 24-01-2018 5:32pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

So beating a man at his own game in his own back yard who hadn't been beat in 11 years is not impressive ?
Right so

Just saying it like that with no depth to it, yes it's impressive. I prefer to analyse it a little more.

yourdeadwright · 24-01-2018 5:36pm

walshb wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

yep its true he was ko'd a few times and years before the Fury fight but with 67 fights as a heavy weight fights your always going to get caught with a big shot now and again,
No one out boxed him until Fury did,
AJ out lasted a 40 yearold there's a big difference

He didn't just outlast him, though. He took him out with punches. It was not a case of Wlad falling via ONLY exhaustion. AJ put a beating on him to close the show.

AJ also was ahead on two of three cards at the stoppage. So, AJ was also en-route to outpointing Wlad. And deservedly so I thought.

Again AJ barley survived when Wlad knocked him down, He spent the next round in survival mode, Wlad said himself he let him off the hook, This is a 40 yearold man, who hadn;t fought in 2 years,
You said yourself the same man at 38 couldn't put a glove on Fury , U
Unless your just into watching bar brawls or stuff like that, you should know what is the more impressive win under the boxing rule set,

yourdeadwright · 24-01-2018 5:39pm

People are written off Tyson on the basis of two years away form the sport at 29 ,
Wlad had two years away at 39 a whole decade older,
Two years off in your very late 30's is not like two years in your late 20's

walshb · 24-01-2018 5:39pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Again AJ barley survived when Wlad knocked him down, He spent the next round in survival mode, Wlad said himself he let him off the hook, This is a 40 yearold man, who hadn;t fought in 2 years,
You said yourself the same man at 38 couldn't put a glove on Fury , U
Unless your just into watching bar brawls or stuff like that, you should know what is the more impressive win under the boxing rule set,

But he did survive. That is all that matters.

Yes, Wlad couldn't put a glove on Fury, and really, Fury couldn't put one on Wlad......

Nothing to do with barroom brawls. I just like actual boxing and punching and connections. Shoot me....

walshb · 24-01-2018 5:41pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

People are written off Tyson on the basis of two years away form the sport at 29 ,
Wlad had two years away at 39 a whole decade older,
Two years off in your very late 30's is not like two years in your late 20's

Wlad wasn't eating all around him and doing drugs and partying like a gangsta wannabe though.

yourdeadwright · 24-01-2018 5:44pm

walshb wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Again AJ barley survived when Wlad knocked him down, He spent the next round in survival mode, Wlad said himself he let him off the hook, This is a 40 yearold man, who hadn;t fought in 2 years,
You said yourself the same man at 38 couldn't put a glove on Fury , U
Unless your just into watching bar brawls or stuff like that, you should know what is the more impressive win under the boxing rule set,

But he did survive. That is all that matters.

Yes, Wlad couldn't out a glove on Fury, and really, Fury couldn't out one on Wlad......

Nothing to do with barroom brawls. I just like actual boxing and punching and connections. Shoot me....

Its not all that matters , you are saying he was more impressive,
Barley surviving is not more impressive,
The Wlad v Fury fight was on Fury's terms no one could do that to Wlad before, he fought how he planned it and won with no danger,
Aj beat the older , ring rusted man but had to go trough hell to do it,
You like boxing but you don't find a man beating someone unbeaten in 11 years in there own back yard, at there own game impressive,
ok pal your a real boxing purist ,

yourdeadwright · 24-01-2018 5:46pm

If Fury was a match room fighter, People like yourself would be on here raving about the best British performance in years that night when he won in German,
If sky doesn't mentioned it must not have been good

Fury can be a dislikeable character but stop trying to rewrite history his win was far more impressive,

walshb · 24-01-2018 5:48pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

If Fury was a match room fighter, People like yourself would be on here raving about the best British performance in years that night when he won in German,
If sky doesn't mentioned it must not have been good
Fury can be a dislikeable character but stop trying to rewrite history his win was far more impressive,

A lot of assuming there!

Get over yourself. Some people, boxing fans included weren't overly impressed.

yourdeadwright · 24-01-2018 5:51pm

walshb wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

People are written off Tyson on the basis of two years away form the sport at 29 ,
Wlad had two years away at 39 a whole decade older,
Two years off in your very late 30's is not like two years in your late 20's

Wlad wasn't eating all around him and doing drugs and partying like a gangsta wannabe though.

The Gangsta wannabe is AJ aka Femi not Fury , Ye he got fat but your discounting a decade there ,
Look Fury is unlikeable but look at everything that goes with it and his performance v Wlad was better than AJ's

yourdeadwright · 24-01-2018 5:53pm

walshb wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

If Fury was a match room fighter, People like yourself would be on here raving about the best British performance in years that night when he won in German,
If sky doesn't mentioned it must not have been good
Fury can be a dislikeable character but stop trying to rewrite history his win was far more impressive,

A lot of assuming there!

Can I ask you what impresses you in boxing if what Tyson done to Wlad giving the circumstances at the time didn't ?

walshb · 24-01-2018 5:54pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

The Gangsta wannabe is AJ aka Femi not Fury , Ye he got fat but your discounting a decade there ,
Look Fury is unlikeable but look at everything that goes with it and his performance v Wlad was better than AJ's

But it's Fury knocking around with MTK, not AJ...

Anyway, way off point....

Danye · 24-01-2018 6:51pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

The Gangsta wannabe is AJ aka Femi not Fury , Ye he got fat but your discounting a decade there ,
Look Fury is unlikeable but look at everything that goes with it and his performance v Wlad was better than AJ's

I’d disagree with this.

The Wlad AJ fought was a very different, aggressive man compared to the one Fury fought. If Wlad had the same aggression and willingness to throw his hands as he did in his last fight he might of stopped Fury.

Your gauging whos better between the 2 based on their performances against Wlad, but two very different Wlads. Chalk and cheese.

Apart from the Wlad fight, who has Fury got on his resume?

If Fury is also so good, why didn’t he achieve much as an amateur?

Morrison J · 24-01-2018 6:56pm

Danye wrote: »

I’d disagree with this.

The Wlad AJ fought was a very different, aggressive man compared to the one Fury fought. If Wlad had the same aggression and willingness to throw his hands as he did in his last fight he might of stopped Fury.

If Wlad had fought aggressive against Fury he'd have more than likely got knocked out himself and he knew it.

walshb · 24-01-2018 9:22pm

Morrison J wrote: »

If Wlad had fought aggressive against Fury he'd have more than likely got knocked out himself and he knew it.

I’d hazard a guess that he’d more than likely have knocked Fury out. Fury is a piss poor power puncher. Even Wlad I reckon survives his best.

Morrison J · 24-01-2018 9:26pm

walshb wrote: »

I’d hazard a guess that he’d more than likely have knocked Fury out. Fury is a piss poor power puncher. Even Wlad I reckon survives his best.

Why didn't he commit so if it's that easy? He was blatantly petrified of what would come back.

Fury can punch, he just doesn't step into his punches too often. He's a boxer more than a puncher. If Wlad had committed, missed and left himself open, I have zero doubt the 6'9 Fury could've knocked him out with a counter. It's heavyweight boxing.

walshb · 24-01-2018 9:40pm

Nobody said it was easy...

He didn’t commit because he’s a windbag.You said it. “Petrified.” What a sad indictment for the HW champion of the world. He has fought like a windbag for years, using his physical advantages to better smaller men. Too windy to then try and hold onto his title by committing and fighting like a man, a champion, the HW champion of the world when faced with a clearly bigger man with skills.

He was not much different vs. AJ. Just that AJ easier to tag. He still fought his usual safety cautious approach...

This BS about him letting AJ off the hook...no, he did not. He was just too windy to actually try and close the show....unlike AJ, who threw the kitchen sink to seal the deal.

walshb · 24-01-2018 9:42pm

Btw, I wouldn’t dare call him a windbag to his face!

Danye · 24-01-2018 9:44pm

Morrison J wrote: »

Why didn't he commit so if it's that easy? He was blatantly petrified of what would come back.

Fury can punch, he just doesn't step into his punches too often. He's a boxer more than a puncher. If Wlad had committed, missed and left himself open, I have zero doubt the 6'9 Fury could've knocked him out with a counter. It's heavyweight boxing.

Only he can answer that.

If he wasn’t aggressive against Fury because he was fearful of Fury’s power, why on earth was he aggressive against AJ, who regardless of what you think about him as a boxer has far more devasting Power than Fury.

Morrison J · 24-01-2018 9:59pm

Danye wrote: »

If he wasn’t aggressive against Fury because he was fearful of Fury’s power, why on earth was he aggressive against AJ, who regardless of what you think about him as a boxer has far more devasting Power than Fury.

Because Fury is a moving target and Joshua is as stationary as it gets.

Fury was switching in and out of stances all fight. Wlad notoriously likes to set his feet before throwing and Fury never let him get comfortable.

It doesn't necessarily have to be a power thing. He knew if he lunged forward going for a big shot, he'd more than likely miss because of Fury's head movement and get countered with a clean punch that'd be scored by the judges. In a fight of few scoring punches Wlad knew he couldn't afford to be letting Fury catch him with eye catching counters.

Fury's skillset was too much for Wlad in that fight. That's the bottom line really.

yourdeadwright · 25-01-2018 10:31am

walshb wrote: »

Morrison J wrote: »

If Wlad had fought aggressive against Fury he'd have more than likely got knocked out himself and he knew it.

I’d hazard a guess that he’d more than likely have knocked Fury out. Fury is a piss poor power puncher. Even Wlad I reckon survives his best.

If that is the case why didn't Wlad fight aggressive ?
I think it was his 66 pro fight i'm sure he realised he was losing ,Could you for a moment think maybe it was Fury that stopped him from being aggressive,
WalshB you trying to say Wlad just decided he didn't want to hit Fury or decided he didn't want to win the fight, He wasn't let fight his own gameplan and its something no one done to him before,

yourdeadwright · 25-01-2018 10:34am

Morrison J wrote: »

Danye wrote: »

If he wasn’t aggressive against Fury because he was fearful of Fury’s power, why on earth was he aggressive against AJ, who regardless of what you think about him as a boxer has far more devasting Power than Fury.

Because Fury is a moving target and Joshua is as stationary as it gets.

Fury was switching in and out of stances all fight. Wlad notoriously likes to set his feet before throwing and Fury never let him get comfortable.

It doesn't necessarily have to be a power thing. He knew if he lunged forward going for a big shot, he'd more than likely miss because of Fury's head movement and get countered with a clean punch that'd be scored by the judges. In a fight of few scoring punches Wlad knew he couldn't afford to be letting Fury catch him with eye catching counters.

Fury's skillset was too much for Wlad in that fight. That's the bottom line really.

The above is a correct, and why Tyson performance was better,
Wlad for the first time in 66 fights didn't have an answer, Its not that he didn't;t want to get to Tyson but more he simply couldn't , Tyson footwork is miles better than any heavy weight out there ,people find it hard to believe cause he's fat but he's streets ahead of AJ for movement,

walshb · 25-01-2018 12:21pm

There were many instances where Wald could have let the hands go and he just didn't.

Yes, Fury's movement was very good. I watched it back. I still wasn't overly impressed with the overall performance, but his feet and movement for a big man are very good, something I have always said.

Depends on how one likes to rate a performance.

For me AJ put an actual physical punching beating on Wlad. He hit him, hurt him, rocked him and stopped him. Sure, there were scary moments for him and it was close, but that is HW boxing, and AJ, remember, is there to be be hit. He comes to fight and trade. Completely different style compared to Fury.

Fury pecked and poked and spoiled his way to a points win where I found it to be really lacking in areas I favor, scoring clean punches.

For me I cannot rate that win better than AJs win...

Separately: The Fury that beat Wlad would absolutely not get away with that against AJ. Does anyone think AJ would be scared sh1tless to get hit, like Wlad seemed to be? AJ would go for it, force the pressure, let the hands go and wreck Fury at mid range, and eat him up inside.

AJ in similar positions that Wlad was in would have scored effectively, and would at least have thrown meaningful punches.

yourdeadwright · 25-01-2018 3:29pm

walshb wrote: »

There were many instances where Wald could have let the hands go and he just didn't.

Yes, Fury's movement was very good. I watched it back. I still wasn't overly impressed with the overall performance, but his feet and movement for a big man are very good, something I have always said.

Depends on how one likes to rate a performance.

For me AJ put an actual physical punching beating on Wlad. He hit him, hurt him, rocked him and stopped him. Sure, there were scary moments for him and it was close, but that is HW boxing, and AJ, remember, is there to be be hit. He comes to fight and trade. Completely different style compared to Fury.

Fury pecked and poked and spoiled his way to a points win where I found it to be really lacking in areas I favor, scoring clean punches.

For me I cannot rate that win better than AJs win...

Separately: The Fury that beat Wlad would absolutely not get away with that against AJ. Does anyone think AJ would be scared sh1tless to get hit, like Wlad seemed to be? AJ would go for it, force the pressure, let the hands go and wreck Fury at mid range, and eat him up inside.

AJ in similar positions that Wlad was in would have scored effectively, and would at least have thrown meaningful punches.

Why do you think Wlad was scared to let his hands go v Tyson but not scared v AJ ?
Wlad is a far better boxer tham AJ , AJ just survived and barley won and it was due to being over a decade younger so fitter and stronger nothing else, But Tyson outfoxed Wlad at his own game and that doesn't impress you ,
You just said yourself AJ fought his own style of fight of standing there and banging
Wlad hasn't done that in over 12 years and still nearly stopped him and he was 40 after two years out,

walshb · 25-01-2018 4:16pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Why do you think Wlad was scared to let his hands go v Tyson but not scared v AJ ?
Wlad is a far better boxer tham AJ , AJ just survived and barley won and it was due to being over a decade younger so fitter and stronger nothing else, But Tyson outfoxed Wlad at his own game and that doesn't impress you ,
You just said yourself AJ fought his own style of fight of standing there and banging
Wlad hasn't done that in over 12 years and still nearly stopped him and he was 40 after two years out,

Actually, Wlad let the hands go as little vs. AJ as well.....

Check the punch stats. He was timid vs. AJ, just that he was forced to fight a little harder against AJ when he did fight due to AJ forcing the pace and making the fight far more dangerous than the Fury fight.

Wlad is absolutely not a far better boxer than AJ. He was down on points in a boxing match against him. AJ is technically quite effective. He looks stiff and is slow on the feet, but he is 250 lbs. You don't win gold at the games without being able to box.

Just face facts: Wlad was behind on points, hurt and then knocked out by AJ. Clear win at the end.

Against Fury he lost a snoozer on points with not a scratch on him because he barely got hit properly over 36 mins.

AJs win for me is the more impressive.

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