yourdeadwright wrote: » Another point of view is AJ nearly got stopped by a man 2 years out of the ring who lost his previous fight and Tyson done it without getting a scratch to a younger man in his own back yard who hadn't been beat in years , T
walshb wrote: » yourdeadwright wrote: » I just think its the time's we live in, Its become a joke iv said it time and time again, AJ has fought one live fighter and he was a 40 year old who handn't fought in 2 years and lost his last fight but some how AJ is built up as the greatest Heavy weight since Ali , That's just hype and Sky and Hearn. AJ is elite today. Probably the best on earth......He can only be the best for his era.... Other than Wilder I don't seen anyone being considered a real threat to him. Ring still have Fury as champ, which is just plain stupid....but that is RING and their stupid lineal nonsense. AJ and Fury have both beaten one very good fighter. Fury in a pathetic stinkfest, and AJ in a pretty high intensity scrap where he had to actually win the fight. Real boxing fans aren't yet cementing AJ as an ATG, and he may never be called one. Even if he cleans out the division it may be a case of cleaning out a pretty "poor" lot of fighters..... Personally I don't rate AJ in an ATG sense....Probably never will, as for me his talents don't deserve to be placed that high.
yourdeadwright wrote: » I just think its the time's we live in, Its become a joke iv said it time and time again, AJ has fought one live fighter and he was a 40 year old who handn't fought in 2 years and lost his last fight but some how AJ is built up as the greatest Heavy weight since Ali ,
squinn2912 wrote: » yourdeadwright wrote: » squinn2912 wrote: » He looks to have lost quite a bit of weight but it's only going from dangerously obese to very overweight. Of course that's a big step for anyone esp with mental health issues but he has all sorts of titles for himself. It means little more than bluff until he actually fights then we can decide. There was similar talk before the Wlad rematch that never came about. If he he's back to his prime then I think he can take them all but if he doesn't then it's just a payday to get ko'd. It's interesting that all of the main contenders have question marks on their records I think the something that ruins boxing is fighters trying to keep there 0 , It seems to be such a big thing these days that fighters do not take tuff fights but always look for the easy fight, back in the day people like Steve Colins went and fought the top at a young age and developed that way and became great fighters, Now its all nonsense fight nobodies unless its a massive pay day I completely agree with you! There's some amount of dirt even in the HW division walking about with a paper 0. Even then though Eubank and Benn were rather protected while Collins was in batter session in America. Then he kicked the lining out of both. It's thrown at wilder often that he fought a lot of opponents outside the top 30! Though there are other factors to the story. Avoiding hard fights isn't new.
yourdeadwright wrote: » squinn2912 wrote: » He looks to have lost quite a bit of weight but it's only going from dangerously obese to very overweight. Of course that's a big step for anyone esp with mental health issues but he has all sorts of titles for himself. It means little more than bluff until he actually fights then we can decide. There was similar talk before the Wlad rematch that never came about. If he he's back to his prime then I think he can take them all but if he doesn't then it's just a payday to get ko'd. It's interesting that all of the main contenders have question marks on their records I think the something that ruins boxing is fighters trying to keep there 0 , It seems to be such a big thing these days that fighters do not take tuff fights but always look for the easy fight, back in the day people like Steve Colins went and fought the top at a young age and developed that way and became great fighters, Now its all nonsense fight nobodies unless its a massive pay day
squinn2912 wrote: » He looks to have lost quite a bit of weight but it's only going from dangerously obese to very overweight. Of course that's a big step for anyone esp with mental health issues but he has all sorts of titles for himself. It means little more than bluff until he actually fights then we can decide. There was similar talk before the Wlad rematch that never came about. If he he's back to his prime then I think he can take them all but if he doesn't then it's just a payday to get ko'd. It's interesting that all of the main contenders have question marks on their records
Morrison J wrote: » yourdeadwright wrote: » Why did Fury leave his Uncle ? has he spoke about it , I think it was a huge mistake from him, I think he's got yes men now which is not what he needs at all , Has said it was getting stale going over the same things in the gym and that he wanted a change. No falling out or anything and hasn't ruled out working with him in the future. It's working for the time being as he's clearly as motivated as he's been in years but when the fights come round I wouldn't be surprised to see Peter come back into the picture.
yourdeadwright wrote: » Why did Fury leave his Uncle ? has he spoke about it , I think it was a huge mistake from him, I think he's got yes men now which is not what he needs at all ,
squinn2912 wrote: » Can't really make much of a judgement on Fury until he fights. The odds are against him but I feel the HW climate could change suddenly
yourdeadwright wrote: » So pretty much the same as AJ, who's toughest fight was Wlad 2 years after Tyson beat him ,
The Nal wrote: » Could do. Hes only 29. Unlikely mind you.
walshb wrote: » Does anyone seriously believe that Fury is going to get back in real elite fighting shape and be as good as he was when fighting in 2014 and 2015? Be as fresh, fast, nimble and energetic?
selectamatic wrote: » Visconti wrote: » He has beaten EVERYONE put in front of him all the way to the world championship. The Klit was not in his prime but either was tyson when lewis beat him you can only beat the man in front of you and thats what fury does. Aj is a handy fight for him. Parker is a handy one too. Wilder would be interesting. Hope fury comes back in shape and takes his belt back. You do realise the fury camp were carefully picking their opponents right up until Tyson came into line to fight wlad, also when you look at his record there's a curious amount of bang average sub 6ft4" heavies who lacked speed and power but that's for another discussion. If fury had taken a true face all comers stance then he'd have wins over the likes of povetkin, wach, Ortiz , pulev etc. These were all big names and decent opponents who would have jumped at the chance for a big paying fight in the UK and they were generally all in good form when Fury's proposed fight with haye was falling through, to which they would have been big name alternatives but you'll not see any of them on his record. There's nothing wrong with that, that's how modern boxing is and shur he got his win over the champ so I'm sure it doesn't bother him in the slightest. But let's not lose touch with reality here...
Visconti wrote: » He has beaten EVERYONE put in front of him all the way to the world championship. The Klit was not in his prime but either was tyson when lewis beat him you can only beat the man in front of you and thats what fury does. Aj is a handy fight for him. Parker is a handy one too. Wilder would be interesting. Hope fury comes back in shape and takes his belt back.
Visconti wrote: » All camps pick fights carefully for their fighters thats their job. Many fights cant be made due to politics that you or I might not be aware of. Funny how the Lewis v Klit fight went to the champ because they eased it across the line before stopping it and the champ keeping his belt, lewis was clearly winning but boxing is a dirty sport. If you were managing Fury how would you have done it different ?
Danye wrote: » Is Billy not a fan of Fury?
Visconti wrote: » I take it you are a fully paid member of the 2018 fury fan club lol Is that you Billy Walsh out of wexford behind this profile ?
walshb wrote: » Yes. Afraid of the counter that never came. Windbag!
Danye wrote: » Respect your opinion but I disagree with you. Klitschko could of landed on Fury but for whatever reason he didn’t throw a meaningful shot throughout the fight. It’s not as if he was throwing shots all night and Fury was slipping them all night like the matrix! This idea of Fury being some sort of majestic mover in the ring is something of a myth IMO. Fury has got up off the floor alright but has he ever been tagged with someone of AJs power?
Visconti wrote: » Doubt he will land much fury is excellent defensively and even when he gets caught he gets up to win. Some of the greats like bowe and lewis would have been interesting against fury great fights to see, AJ is not in their league he is chinny and lacks stamina in later rounds. In top shape their is not a boxer active at this moment to touch fury on skills and raw talent.
