VW ID.4

I'm not mad on the ID3 but the ID4 is quite a nice looking car if it's the kind of thing you're after, the interior looks a bit more acceptable too. Definitely better looking than the model Y, I might be tempted in a few years.

Deleted User wrote: »

77 Kwh but probably not a lot more range than the id.3 or model 3 ?

Well the WLTP range is claimed to be 520km, against the ID.3 77kWh with 550km WLTP and the Model 3 SR+ with 409km WLTP

Yes, I know the WLTP isn't representative of real life, but it should scale with the real life range

So if the ID.4 has 20% more WLTP range than the model 3, then it'll probably have more range in real life as well

Now I'll grant you that at motorway speeds it'll probably be worse given the ID.4 is less aerodynamic

So maybe somewhere between 10-15% more real life range depending on usage would be my guess

Looks like the product guide is available

https://www.volkswagen.ie/idhub/content/dam/onehub_pkw/importers/ie/models/product-guides/2020/2020-09-15/200929_RB_ID.4%201st%20Ed.%20MY21.pdf

No base colour, you have to go for the metallic at a cost of €713
Dunno why they can't just include it in the price

I spoke to salesman today and no word yet on finance rates. He's saying first deliveries will be in January

Couple of things I noticed in the product guide:

• High spec interior on both trims
• 32A Type 2 charging cable included
• Discounted rate on Ionity using We Charge

Black_Knight wrote: »

Thanks!

I don't see the reason to spend 12k more on the Max though. It's already a pricey car. R-line Tiguan is 13k cheaper than the Max, and arguably better looking. 0% APR too. These will likely give the upper APR rate that the ID3 got.
- Nicer seats
- Bigger screen
- Bigger wheels
- Panoramic roof (quite nice I guess)
- Fancy headlights
- HUD
- Wireless phone charging
- Keyless entry
- Easy close boot
- a 3rd climate zone, likely the back

The main selling points of the Max to me would be


Matrix headlights (dead handy for night driving on unlit roads)
Panoramic roof
Climate control in back for the kids
Travel assist


So it's basically a question of whether that's worth the extra expense


I'm hoping the Max has a lower APR, like the 1st Max does, to make it more attractive price wise

So putting that into the rip-off PCP calculator gives

*ID.4 1st*
Purchase price €44708
Deposit 30% €13412
GMFV 35% €15647

Monthly payment €492

*ID.4 1st Max*
Purchase price €56108
Deposit 30% €16832
GMFV 35% €19637

Monthly payment €618

Decoda wrote: »

How did you get on with your dealer? I'm looking at the ID4 1st with the metallic blue, I'd be looking at coming out of my PCP with 1 year remaining on my Tiguan HL....interested to see whether its viable for me to do it and what my monthly payments would increase by.

I called my dealer this afternoon about going in tomorrow to discuss the ID4 and didn't get a great response, no info available yet, too early to say when delivery could be...got an almost disinterested response from the sales guy.

My guy seems pretty enthusiastic, he's an egolf owner himself and handles most of that dealerships EV sales. I've also been speaking to him a lot about the ID.3 so he knows I'm interested in the ID series

I think the brochure literally got published today, and he got the finance rates at around 5pm and rang me straight away.

The car apparently isn't in their systems yet so they can't do a proper quote, but I'm going to check with him tomorrow and see what the story is.

I definitely think the blue is the best colour. I'm fed up up black and grey cars, white cars look like washing machines on wheels, and I'm not brave enough for the yellow.

Decoda wrote: »

How did you get on with your dealer? I'm looking at the ID4 1st with the metallic blue, I'd be looking at coming out of my PCP with 1 year remaining on my Tiguan HL....interested to see whether its viable for me to do it and what my monthly payments would increase by.

I called my dealer this afternoon about going in tomorrow to discuss the ID4 and didn't get a great response, no info available yet, too early to say when delivery could be...got an almost disinterested response from the sales guy.

There’s a frustrating air of confusion in the industry at the minute as if the Greens get their way they could decimate the new car market next year. So it’s hard to show anyone enthusiasm until the budget comes out.

I’m not for a second condoning his disinterest just possible reason why

Deleted User wrote: »

You have to go to the Max again to get the travel assist.

That's what, going to be 54k ?

€56,108 OTR price including the paint

Black_Knight wrote: »

After Bjorn and Bob get a spin in one. Very interested to hear their reviews on it. And on the Enyaq (once we can see how it can be configured or if there's a "1st" set spec like VW do).

Feels to me like the ID3 took forever from being announced to being available, then the ID4 just popped up a few months back (June post on the first page) and it's nearly in showrooms now.

It's definitely moving fast, I was asking yesterday was the process the same as the ID.3, and the salesman said that no it was more like a typical car order, I could order th exact car I wanted yesterday


I guess the ID.4 has been very much in development in the background, but it definitely shows the advantage of the MEB platform where they're essentially able to recycle most of the components from the ID.3


If you look at the list of up and coming vehicles over the next couple of years, it's easy to imagine that there'll be an MEB based car in every segment:


2020:
ID.3
ID.4


2021:
ID.4 AWD
ID.5 (ID.4 sportback)
Q3 E-tron
Cupra El-born
Seat Enyaq


2022:
ID. Buzz
ID. Space vizzion
Probably an ID. Commercial van
Maybe an MEB XL platform supporting longer wheelbase



2023:
MEB Entry vehicles
ID.1
ID.2


And who knows what the other VW brands are working on in the background?

TheBigEvil wrote: »

Liking the look of the ID.4 over the ID.3, especially around quality of internal build, and overall spec.

Will have to drop into my VW dealer in Drogheda, to get a look at one in person. Will be first electric, if I go for it, so loads to learn about them !

Well you'll probably want to wait since they've got none at the moment


You're definitely in the right place to find out about EVs though, lots of people here debating the best charging current for batteries


If you are speaking the dealer,I'd suggest following this script:


You: "Do you drive and EV?"
Dealer: "No"
You: "Can I speak to someone who does?"

Decoda wrote: »

So after a visit to my dealer today I'm no better informed than I was yesterday. They have no official pricing and say that they won't have a definitive price until after the budget. He knew nothing about APR rates and didn't even know about the brochure that I had in my hand......with the prices in it....not an auspicious start. He took a look at it and I genuinely believe it was the first time he'd seen it....


He finished up by saying "I hope I will be able to take orders this year but up until this week i thought orders wouldn't be possible until the New year so who knows".....and shrugged his shoulders as he stood up.....I did book a test drive for the ID3 for tomorrow though.....so at least that's something to look forward to....

Sounds like you got the tool in that particular dealership, the pricing is on the website, rates have been out since yesterday and I'm only waiting on them to add the car into the computer system before ordering.

Mind if I ask what dealership you went to? I'm with Joe Duffy in Airside, Swords

Decoda wrote: »

A very large dealer in the southeast....to be fair it wasn't the usual guy I've dealt with for the past 20 years, he probably would have been a bit more receptive considering it would be my 7th VW with them. I'll contact him when he gets back next week and try again. Still going for my test drive in the ID3 though....

I've had the Tiguan for 2 years and need to keep the elevated driving position, I've had one of my hips done and the others not a million miles away from being replaced so need the height. I've sat into the ID3 and even though its higher then a golf, I'd prefer higher again and I'm presuming the ID4 will give me that.

Unfortunately If that salesman knows you won’t be buying the car off him he’ll obviously have no interest. It’s just the name of the game.

listermint wrote: »

Having all the wrong answers and no idea about the brochure of their latest and probably most anticipated model.


Ya. Proper genius.

He's a shoe in for employee of the month

With a 500km range and at that price point I really can’t see why anyone shouldn’t buy an ID.4 next year over any Tiguan/Passat or the likes. It just doesn’t make sense.

I can see a massive, massive change towards electric next year

cruisey1987 wrote: »

To be fair, the range is probably closer to 350km, but yes, can't see why anyone would bother buying an ICE suv now

There's one simple reason: price.

Black_Knight wrote: »

That when I need the network it'll be in use or broken.

I must have clicked into the eCars thread by accident

Just kidding of course, we're getting a tad off topic

liamog wrote: »

Didn't you hear, the ID.4 is going to be a massive fail because of that one time a year yer man needs to drive to Kerry.

He'll have to get the Haely Rae's to come help him push his EV the last bit of the way

Unfortunately there's a sizeable chunk of the population who believe that a vehicle which caters to 99% of their needs is insufficient because of a fairly minor inconvenience during the other 1% of their driving.

I do agree with Mad_lad to an extent that the fast charging network needs to be improved before I'd be happy relying on it every day, we've talked the topic to death multiple times on boards.

But I don't think it's totally useless, there's only been one time when I had to wait for a significant amount of time for the charger to become available. 50% of the time the chargers are free and the rest of the times I was waiting about 10 mins Max

Part of the problem I think is people's attitude towards driving. There's a lot of folks who seem to treat every road trip as a race and try to arrive at their destination as quickly as possible. I can understand that viewpoint if you're a mobile worker or delivery man or something, but why stress yourself for weekend journeys?

That's one of the reasons I prefer driving long distance with an EV. I think the quieter ride removes some of the stress and let's you appreciate the journey more.

Also, it's probably worth mentioning that the ID.4 could probably make it to Kerry on a single charge from most of Ireland. Certainly it'd make it from Dublin in one go