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Random EV thoughts.....

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  • #52
    redcup342
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,387 ✭✭✭redcup342


    I regularly take the i-Pace or the BMW i3. 
    Charging for me is a mix between opportunistic and cost. 
    Before doing a long distance journey I'll mark off the free CCS Chargers. 
    If the journey is beyond the range of the car I'm driving I'll try and get to a free charger with around 40-50 km range left and then charge enough to have 40-50 km range left at my destination or to the Next Rapid charger. 
    If the free one isn't available then I'll go onto the next paid one. 
    I only use AC if I'm planning a stop in a City/Town on the way or at me start or end destination. 
    Fastned have charging graphs you can use to see where the sweet spot is for maximum KW charging with the minimum time penalty. 

    https://support.fastned.nl/hc/en-gb/articles/360000788848-Charging-with-a-Jaguar-I-PACE
    https://support.fastned.nl/hc/en-gb/articles/204784718-Charging-with-a-BMW-i3
    I rarely ever for to the full 80% on Rapids as the time it takes gradually gets slower and you are better off doing 2 rapid charges than 1 long rapid charge.


  • #53
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,213 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Tesla drop the standard range S and X again?!


  • #54
    JPA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,788 ✭✭✭✭JPA


    Is this just a general chat thread?

    Anyway, does anyone know if the esb charger in clifden is currently working? I saw some chat that it was out of service but the app was not reporting that it was. However that is old information.

    Last update from zap map was that it was out of service but that was 3 months ago. Current information on ecars app is that it is working.


  • #55
    McGiver
    Registered Users Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭McGiver


    JPA wrote:
    Last update from zap map was that it was out of service but that was 3 months ago. Current information on ecars app is that it is working.
    Call the ESB?


  • #56
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,151 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Ahhh, bliss.


    https://newatlas.com/lotus-evija-2000hp-electric-hypercar/60618/


  • #57
    Mike9832
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Mike9832


    josip wrote: »
    Ahhh, bliss.


    https://newatlas.com/lotus-evija-2000hp-electric-hypercar/60618/

    Some of those numbers are insane

    0-300 in under 9 secs is Moto GP quick

    Doesnt even make sense, 0-100 under 3secs, but only 6 secs more to 300, maybe traction limited and full 2000bhp not released till higher speeds?

    Veyron supersport is like 18 secs to 300, its much faster than any hypercar out today

    Even an F1 car is in the 9-10 sec range in race trim, maybe quicker in qualifying trim


  • #58
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,213 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Some of those numbers are insane

    0-300 in under 9 secs is Moto GP quick

    Doesnt even make sense, 0-100 under 3secs, but only 6 secs more to 300, maybe traction limited and full 2000bhp not released till higher speeds?

    Veyron supersport is like 18 secs to 300, its much faster than any hypercar out today

    Even an F1 car is in the 9-10 sec range in race trim, maybe quicker in qualifying trim
    You have to remember that F1 cars are not optimized to be quick in a straight line, they are optimized to be quick around corners (hence the downforce)


    Remove all the wings and you'd have a seriously quick car


  • #59
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ELM327 wrote: »
    You have to remember that F1 cars are not optimized to be quick in a straight line, they are optimized to be quick around corners (hence the downforce)


    Remove all the wings and you'd have a seriously quick car

    F1 cars accelerate much quicker up to a certain point the more wing they have to allow more and earlier grip. F1 cars are around a thousand horsepower, this is 2k, that's all there is to it. :P


  • #60
    charlieIRL
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,254 Mod ✭✭✭✭charlieIRL


    Sorry not sure where to put this.........do you have to pay for parking when you are using a public charging point?


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  • #61
    redcup342
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,387 ✭✭✭redcup342


    charlieIRL wrote: »
    Sorry not sure where to put this.........do you have to pay for parking when you are using a public charging point?
    Completely down to the Local Authority / Land owner, same story for the rest of Europe as well.


  • #62
    Mickeroo
    Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,394 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    charlieIRL wrote: »
    Sorry not sure where to put this.........do you have to pay for parking when you are using a public charging point?

    Depends entirely on the local council, everywhere is different.


  • #63
    charlieIRL
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,254 Mod ✭✭✭✭charlieIRL


    Cheers, boss was in dublin and left the car charging and went off............€80 fine for not paying for parking!!

    I presume you pay by the day and not the hour when you need to charge?


  • #64
    redcup342
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,387 ✭✭✭redcup342


    charlieIRL wrote: »
    Cheers, boss was in dublin and left the car charging and went off............€80 fine for not paying for parking!!

    I presume you pay by the day and not the hour when you need to charge?
    [font=Arial, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif]Parking and Electric Vehicles[/font]
    [font=Arial, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif]While charging an electric vehicle in a Pay and Display Space or EV Charging Space in a Pay and Display location, payment must be made for parking during hours of operation indicated.[/font]

    http://www.dublincity.ie/main-menu-services-roads-and-traffic/parking-dublin


  • #65
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,151 ✭✭✭✭josip


    charlieIRL wrote: »
    Cheers, boss was in dublin and left the car charging and went off............€80 fine for not paying for parking!!

    I presume you pay by the day and not the hour when you need to charge?


    I don't own an EV, but I thought EV owners frown upon drivers taking up an EV charging spot for much longer than the car needs to charge?


  • #66
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    josip wrote: »
    I don't own an EV, but I thought EV owners frown upon drivers taking up an EV charging spot for much longer than the car needs to charge?

    More of an issue with a rapid charger. Those are the ones that tend to be vital for people driving a long distance etc.

    At a standard charger people are likely to be charging for hours so you wouldn't generally expect someone to be back bang on the end of the charge.

    That said I still think that spending 10 hours on a charger at a train station is a stupid use of the resource.


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  • #67
    redcup342
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,387 ✭✭✭redcup342


    josip wrote: »
    charlieIRL wrote: »
    Cheers, boss was in dublin and left the car charging and went off............€80 fine for not paying for parking!!

    I presume you pay by the day and not the hour when you need to charge?


    I don't own an EV, but I thought EV owners frown upon drivers taking up an EV charging spot for much longer than the car needs to charge?
    Like above, only really when it's DC Charging. 
    AC Charging I would only get annoyed when someone parks at an EV Spot but doesn't even bother to plug in.


  • #68
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    DrPhilG wrote: »
    That said I still think that spending 10 hours on a charger at a train station is a stupid use of the resource.

    How else could a train station charge point be used though? You dont, generally, take a train to somewhere and get back in an hour or two? Its usually a workday activity.

    What train stations should have is not one 22kW charge point. They should have a long bank of 3.6kW charge points.


  • #69
    redcup342
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,387 ✭✭✭redcup342


    KCross wrote: »
    DrPhilG wrote: »
    That said I still think that spending 10 hours on a charger at a train station is a stupid use of the resource.

    How else could a train station charge point be used though? You dont, generally, take a train to somewhere and get back in an hour or two? Its usually a workday activity.

    What train stations should have is not one 22kW charge point. They should have a long bank of 3.6kW charge points.
    Completely agree. most cars can't even charge at 22kw AC anyways.


  • #70
    slave1
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    KCross wrote: »
    How else could a train station charge point be used though? You dont, generally, take a train to somewhere and get back in an hour or two? Its usually a workday activity.

    What train stations should have is not one 22kW charge point. They should have a long bank of 3.6kW charge points.

    Exactly, what a lot of train stations actually have are 7kW chargers


  • #71
    zg3409
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,875 ✭✭✭zg3409


    JPA wrote: »
    does anyone know if the esb charger in clifden is currently working? I saw some chat that it was out of service but the app was not reporting that it was. However that is old information.

    According to cpinfo.ie both outputs were in use today. It seems to have started communicating on the 11th of July and one and both sides have been used since. There is another charger in clifden too at abbeyglen hotel, see plugshare app but no reports recent, may be for customers


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  • #72
    Mike9832
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Mike9832


    ELM327 wrote: »
    You have to remember that F1 cars are not optimized to be quick in a straight line, they are optimized to be quick around corners (hence the downforce)


    Remove all the wings and you'd have a seriously quick car

    Yes F1 cars are highly restricted for straight line performance, but still not bad even with restrictions

    0-300 in 10

    Full tank of fuel, running in eco mode :)

    V10 monsters back in the day ran low 8's



    Schumacher 2003 V10 was supposdely clocked at 9.3 secs in the wet vs fighter jet



    On the Lotus it's Formula E tech, williams enginering supplying battery tech

    Some battery too

    800kW charge rate from a 70kWh pack

    21c disscharge rate ( 1500kW/70kWh )

    Battery can emptied in less than 3 minutes flat out driving

    Nothing new, Veyron can go through a full tank in 9 mins


  • #73
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    KCross wrote: »
    How else could a train station charge point be used though?

    What train stations should have is not one 22kW charge point. They should have a long bank of 3.6kW charge points.
    That was my point. Putting a 22kw charger at a train station is a waste of a resource.


  • #74
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,213 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Yes F1 cars are highly restricted for straight line performance, but still not bad even with restrictions

    0-300 in 10

    Full tank of fuel, running in eco mode :)

    V10 monsters back in the day ran low 8's



    Schumacher 2003 V10 was supposdely clocked at 9.3 secs in the wet vs fighter jet



    On the Lotus it's Formula E tech, williams enginering supplying battery tech

    Some battery too

    800kW charge rate from a 70kWh pack

    21c disscharge rate ( 1500kW/70kWh )

    Battery can emptied in less than 3 minutes flat out driving

    Nothing new, Veyron can go through a full tank in 9 mins


    I'm that special kind of nerd that watches classic F1 full races on sky sports f1, just to hear the v10 air splitting noise or the screaming v8 noise just before the ecomentalists ruined a great sport.


    I'm excited by formula E, and if you watch F1 for decades you'll see that it is the pinnacle for sports car development and sometimes the innovation helps road cars years down the line. Hopefully FE does the same for EVs


  • #75
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,151 ✭✭✭✭josip


    I've been lucky enough to get to 2 grand prixs, Estoril in 1995 and Australia in 1999.
    The one thing that didn't come across on F1 TV coverage, was the absolute assault on your eardrums from the banshee wail of those V12s and V10s.

    I don't know what the V8s and V6s sound like trackside.
    No matter how fast and technologically advanced Formula E gets, it's sensory perception to a spectator is 50% less than that of Formula 1.
    Which is a massive problem for the interest levels in the sport.


  • #76
    redcup342
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,387 ✭✭✭redcup342


    zg3409 wrote: »
    JPA wrote: »
    does anyone know if the esb charger in clifden is currently working? I saw some chat that it was out of service but the app was not reporting that it was. However that is old information.

    According to cpinfo.ie both outputs were in use today. It seems to have started communicating on the 11th of July and one and both sides have been used since. There is another charger in clifden too at abbeyglen hotel, see plugshare app but no reports recent, may be for customers
    DSC06547.JPG
    The Charging station at abbeyglen hotel looks like a dodgy place to hang out after dark :o


  • #77
    zg3409
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,875 ✭✭✭zg3409


    redcup342 wrote: »
    zg3409 wrote: »
    JPA wrote: »
    does anyone know if the esb charger in clifden is currently working? I saw some chat that it was out of service but the app was not reporting that it was. However that is old information.

    According to cpinfo.ie both outputs were in use today. It seems to have started communicating on the 11th of July and one and both sides have been used since. There is another charger in clifden too at abbeyglen hotel, see plugshare app but no reports recent, may be for customers
    DSC06547.JPG
    The Charging station at abbeyglen hotel looks like a dodgy place to hang out after dark :o

    The good news is this hotel has a large backup generator, and a parrot


  • #78
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    josip wrote: »
    I've been lucky enough to get to 2 grand prixs, Estoril in 1995 and Australia in 1999.
    The one thing that didn't come across on F1 TV coverage, was the absolute assault on your eardrums from the banshee wail of those V12s and V10s.

    I don't know what the V8s and V6s sound like trackside.
    No matter how fast and technologically advanced Formula E gets, it's sensory perception to a spectator is 50% less than that of Formula 1.
    Which is a massive problem for the interest levels in the sport.

    V8s were fantastic, could hear them from miles away. At LeMans the Diesel hybrids were great because of the kinda "rush" they produced but the V8s and occasional V10 were much more fun.


  • #79
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,380 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    Anyone have any clue about this charger at Turners Cross in Cork?
    https://goo.gl/maps/R5kTybFymLPMssSU8

    I've tried to contact EC Charging, or E-stations or anyone about it, but got zero replies.

    There's a NFC area to tap a fob or card against, but at least the ESB card does nothing to it.


  • #80
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    Black_Knight wrote: »
    Anyone have any clue about this charger at Turners Cross in Cork?
    https://goo.gl/maps/R5kTybFymLPMssSU8

    I've tried to contact EC Charging, or E-stations or anyone about it, but got zero replies.

    There's a NFC area to tap a fob or card against, but at least the ESB card does nothing to it.

    They seem to be in place for over 1.5 years now and no one knows who owns them or how to get them started. Its a mystery! :)

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=105696119


  • #81
    Mickeroo
    Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,394 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    Won't be so quick to turn of the VESS anymore: https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/boy-who-was-knocked-down-by-electric-car-he-did-not-hear-coming-settles-case-for-55000-937868.html

    Mind you I wouldn't generally be careless enough to drive into a 5 year old while pulling out of a parking spot.....


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  • #82
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,213 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Compo culture strikes again


  • #83
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,151 ✭✭✭✭josip


    High Court. I wonder what were the legal costs for this case.


  • #84
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,380 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    he boy also suffered a laceration to his head when the car door hit him.

    Sounds like a comedic sketch. Knocked them down, then swings the door open when getting out of the car.


  • #85
    Mickeroo
    Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,394 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    I actually missed that bit :D

    All I can think of is this bit from hotshots now:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wabMbMb67QA


  • #86
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/electric-car-took-off-and-hit-boy-after-being-parked-court-hears-1.3487975?mode=amp

    Sounds like the dopey owner left it in drive and got out, the car drove off and hit the boy.


  • #87
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,059 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    New double charger opened on the A55, its about 90km from Holyhead. 50kW and will charge at 125A instead of the useless Electric Highway ones which max out at 31kW with the Ioniq.

    I'll be using it on Sunday on my way back to Dublin.

    https://twitter.com/engenieUK/status/1152178775716704257?s=09


  • #88
    charlieIRL
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,254 Mod ✭✭✭✭charlieIRL


    Actually that’s a question I had, anyone use a charger in the uk? How do they work? I presume you have to pay for them.
    Very handy to have a few on the A55, i’d imagine they will be busy with cars heading to the port!


  • #89
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,059 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    There are a few options on the A55, Electric Highway with their old DBT chargers, they max out at 31kW for the Ioniq.
    Engenie have contactless payment on their chargers, they've only just installed the charger at the Talardy hotel. They charge 36p/kWh but will be free for the next two weeks.

    I also used a charger in Sheffield, there's was activated by a website. Tbh it's a bit of a mess at the moment, the government have asked operators to use contactless payment by next year, and have threatened legislation if companys don't,


  • #90
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,380 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    Any else ever spot an EV on a road close to a charger and think, the race is on! :D

    Chargers as rare enough, and when one is on route there's typically only ever 1 fast charger. Seems like if I spot another EV on a motorway there's a high possibility they'll be pulling into the next fast charger.


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  • #91
    Silent Running
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    Funny that you say that. I was on the M11 the other day and passed a Leaf going Leafspeed. Shortly after, he passed me and headed up the road, turning in to the Gorey MSA.

    I didn't need a charge, so he had his little panic for no reason. :D


  • #92
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,707 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Just back from a fortnight in the south of Spain. Didn't spot a single EV. Plenty of Ioniq hybrids though, for some reason. They must not follow Nyland over there (you don't want those ones he said pointing at the hybrid and PHEV :p) and / or taxation and incentives must be bad for EVs...

    Such a contrast with my last trip to the Netherlands only a few weeks ago. EVs everywhere. Must be the second country in the world after Norway for EV penetration. Tesla Model 3 was the best selling car (!!!) in NL in March.

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  • #93
    krissovo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭krissovo


    My wife while parking our rental i3s yesterday just off a paved road decided to “blip” the accelerator to overcome a tree root just like she was driving her old heavy diesel Volvo SUV.......... The screams from me and the kids as we lunged forward toward a Dutch canal with seemingly the thrust of a titan rocket will haunt my dreams for years to come:eek:

    The brutal acceleration of the i3, the ability of the skinny wheels keep traction and the brakes of the mini beast surely defy the laws of physics. Despite that we have all fallen for the i3, even with the unusable infotainment system and those silly doors which make quite a lot sense for two small kids who when bored like to play with electric windows.

    I hope my wife does not figure out that BMW traffic assist is similar to pro-pilot or we will be trading in our 3 week old leaf for a new pug like i3.


  • #94
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,987 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    This is my charging scan from last night.

    https://flic.kr/p/2gG9i8K

    Why does the car, once fully charged, have another hefty peak of around 1.6kW?

    Is this the battery balancing I have heard about?


  • #95
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,380 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    Quick question.
    In order of power output/speed of charge, what are the general names of chargers. ie. Are the 50KW DC or 350KW DC chargers referred to as "Fast" or "Rapid" chargers?
    22KW AC chargers are referred to as what?

    I assume a "trickle charger" is just a standard 3 pin socket.


  • #96
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    Black_Knight wrote: »
    Quick question.
    In order of power output/speed of charge, what are the general names of chargers. ie. Are the 50KW DC or 350KW DC chargers referred to as "Fast" or "Rapid" chargers?
    22KW AC chargers are referred to as what?

    I assume a "trickle charger" is just a standard 3 pin socket.

    Unfortunately the terms are sometimes swapped around. Even eCars have different terms so there isnt one definitive answer.


    Trickle charge AC
    3-pin socket using granny charger @ ~2kW


    Slow charge/ Fast charge AC
    Generally anything upto 3.6kW on AC is slow and greater than that is fast but Im not sure there is an exact definition of it


    Rapid DC
    <50kW, however eCars call these fast chargers so that muddies the waters a bit.

    High Power chargers DC
    <150kW, I think

    Ultra high power DC
    >150kW


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  • #97
    Nolars
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭Nolars


    Is it possible to get a ev or even phev that fits 3 baby car seats in the back seat?


  • #98
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,707 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    You will have to try your seats, it's the only way.

    EV - Tesla Model S and X almost guaranteed they will fit, most other EVs not so sure. Ioniq, Tesla Model 3 and Leaf have reasonable rear seating, 3 adults would (just) comfortably fit to give you an idea. All other EVs that I can think of are too small.

    PHEV - Try Mitsubishi Outlander and Kia Optima

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  • #99
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,380 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    Can anyone enlighten me as to what the difference between state of charge BMS and state of charge display are? There's a difference between the 2 of them on my ioniq. Not sure what make of that.


  • #100
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,059 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Black_Knight wrote: »
    Can anyone enlighten me as to what the difference between state of charge BMS and state of charge display are? There's a difference between the 2 of them on my ioniq. Not sure what make of that.

    The car lies a little about your state of charge. When the display says 100% it's actually around 95%. This is to allow space for regen and degregation. The SOC BMS is the actually charge level.


  • #101
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,213 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Black_Knight wrote: »
    Can anyone enlighten me as to what the difference between state of charge BMS and state of charge display are? There's a difference between the 2 of them on my ioniq. Not sure what make of that.


    BMS state of charge is the actual state of charge
    Display state of charge is what is displayed to you.


    When the display state of charge reaches 0% the car will shut down, however there will still be 2-5% BMS state of charge that is not accessible


    Similarly at display 100%, BMS will be at 95-97%


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