Saville & satanic ritual abuse

hooradiation wrote: »

Well, he was awarded an OBE - because he raised about 40 Million or so for charity, if that makes him "a friend of the British Royal" then fair enough.
And whatever else, a "third rate" DJ he was not, a simple read over his career in radio and television would put paid to that nonsense.

But I guess this is what happens when you start applying Post hoc ergo propter hoc to justify tales of "Satanism".
Because paedophilia isn't horrifying enough on it's own, apparently.

Wrong, he was decidedly third rate. He wasn't a John Peel or even a Tony Blackburn. Paul Gambacini, who worked alongside him in Radio 1, said he had no real interest in music. Apparently, he developed the patter and spiel that became his trademark to cover up for always getting his timing breaks (between the songs he played) wrong because he mostly didn't even bother listening to the tunes.

As for him not being a friend of the british royals, explain this one to me:

Charles reportedly sent him a box of cigars and a pair of gold cufflinks on his 80th birthday with a note that read: "Nobody will ever know what you have done for this country Jimmy. This is to go some way in
thanking you for that."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/oct/29/jimmy-savile-behaviour-prince-charles

Thats his official title though is it not?

porsche959 wrote: »

Wrong, he was decidedly third rate. He wasn't a John Peel or even a Tony Blackburn.

And yet he had a varied and very successful career as one.
Somehow, I don't think that gels with peoples proclivity towards rewriting the past now that they know of his alleged crimes.

porsche959 wrote: »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/oct/29/jimmy-savile-behaviour-prince-charles

Both of them did a lot of charity work, I doubt that makes him a friend.
Case in point, both my Mother and Aunt worked in theatre in Sligo General the night lord Mountbatten was brought in, and as a result we received a gift of fine china from the Queen.

I imagine this makes my mother a friend of the royals too, right?

hooradiation wrote: »

And yet he had a varied and very successful career as one.
Somehow, I don't think that gels with peoples proclivity towards rewriting the past now that they know of his alleged crimes.




Both of them did a lot of charity work, I doubt that makes him a friend.
Case in point, both my Mother and Aunt worked in theatre in Sligo General the night lord Mountbatten was brought in, and as a result we received a gift of fine china from the Queen.

I imagine this makes my mother a friend of the royals too, right?

just like ships that pass in the night













Shall we go for a drink then? Sir Jimmy draws out his pension in front of Prince Charles at Glencoe Post Office during a private visit in 1999

Was your mother on their Christmas card list

hooradiation wrote: »

Not that I know of.
Then again, sending Christmas cards hardly implies a deep friendship, now does it.
Lord knows I've received them from people I barely know.


I dont doubt it your such a an amenable fellow

The idea that he was besties with prince philip or other royals is a little silly. I mean if you were to say he was close to Maggie thatcher you'd have more to go on.

But I guess that's just not part of the story, because... satanism. I guess.

A private visit to Saviles Glencore home dont count either

Torakx wrote: »

"And with affectionate feelings, Charles"

Cant make out fully the last part.
Anyone?

give my love to the ladies in scotland

Its in relation to him visiting savile at his cottage and having dinner there
from what I can gather

ships that pass in the night :rolleyes:

Duiske is right

Daithi 1 wrote: »

So, Charlie somewhat encouraged pedophilia by keeping his mouth shut.

That's a hell of a fucking reach.

Historian's fallacy, all up ins.

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Not really. Suspicions were raised in the 80's by royal staff members..
Not to mention police were aware and half the people in the uk heard the rumours. I heard the rumours 20+ years ago.
Are we to believe that Thatcher and the Royals didn't hear the rumours ? They didn't run a little investigation of their own ? M15 m16 didn't look into it ? They didn't think Saville could be dangerous ?

Of course they knew.. :rolleyes:

You're making the mistake of assuming people in the past were acting with all the knowledge you currently posses.
You shouldn't, it's foolish.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

It's foolish to think that MI5 don't have a file as long as my arm on Savile

You have no evidence for this yet are assuming that not only is it true, but that it would contain a list of all of savilles crimes.


Assuming people in the past have access to all the knowledge you do is a fallacy, stop making it.

Put together a few links I had a while back re Savile this side of the pond he had access to top people here also


The Sunday World has learnt that the Metropolitan Police force will also face allegations that it crushed an investigation into Savile in the 1980s after he was spotted entering a house in east London which had been under surveillance for paedophile activities.

The allegations, which have been passed to a sitting MP in the House of Commons and handed over to officers at Operation Yewtree, claim that Masonic influence in one division of the London Force helped protect Savile.

http://www.sundayworld.com/columnists/donal-macintyre.php

He was feted in Dublin society circles, dropping in regularly for tea with Charles Haughey at Abbeville and visiting President Erskine Childers in the Aras in a kilt


http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/thousands-followed-jimmy-through-dublin-but-only-a-few-saw-his-dark-side-3265552.html

Savile visited Ireland every year between 1968 and 1981 to lead fundraising walks for the Central Remedial Clinic. At the peak of his fame, more than 25,000 people turned out on the streets of Dublin for charity event.

"Savile used to come over regularly to Ireland to see Lady Valerie Goulding, who ran the Rehab in Clontarf - the Central Remedial Clinic," said Gay.

"He would do sponsored runs and sponsored cycles for her and he would turn up on the Late Late Show in the normal course of events."


http://www.sundayworld.com/showbiz/sw-gossip.php?aid=13123


Dont know if he done any other charity work in Ireland





Central Remedial Clinic was set up in April 1951 by Lady Valerie Goulding and Kathleen O'Rourke as a small non-residential treatment centre in a house in Upper Pembroke Street in the heart of Dublin

http://www.crc.ie/about_his.shtml

Lady Valerie Goulding (Monkton)

Born Valerie Hamilton Monckton, she was the only daughter of Mary Adelaide Somes Colyer-Ferguson and Sir Walter Monckton (later 1st Viscount Monckton of Brenchley).

On account of her widespread popularity, in 1977 she was nominated by the Taoiseach, Jack Lynch, to Seanad Éireann, where she worked to raise awareness of disability issues. She sought election to Dáil Éireann twice as a Fianna Fáil candidate, both times unsuccessfully. She was spoken of as a possible President of Ireland in 1983, along with former Nobel and Lenin Peace Prize winner Sean MacBride and former head of the International Olympic Committee Lord Killanin, should the president, Patrick Hillery, decline to seek a second term. (Hillery ultimately was re-elected).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Goulding

Her father
Walter Turner Monckton, 1st Viscount Monckton of Brenchley,

A lawyer, Monckton served as advisor to Edward VIII during the abdication crisis, having been Attorney General to the Duchy of Cornwall since 1932. He was Recorder of Hythe from 1930-37.
( she was his letter carrier between the palace and her father )

He worked in propaganda and information during World War II and became Solicitor General in Winston Churchill's 1945 caretaker government, although he refused to join the Conservative Party. He finally joined after the war and became a Member of Parliament for Bristol West at a 1951 by-election. Churchill soon appointed him to the cabinet as Minister of Labour and National Service, in which post he served from 1951 to 1955. He was Anthony Eden's Minister of Defence 1955–56, but was the only cabinet minister to oppose his Suez policy, and was moved to Paymaster-General 1956–57

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Monckton,_1st_Viscount_Monckton_of_Brenchley

Her Brother
Gilbert Monckton,

He was promoted Major General in 1963, and became Army director of public relations, dealing with press scrutiny into the behaviour of soldiers in Germany in the aftermath of unhelpful comments from the Secretary of State for War, John Profumo. He became Chief of Staff at the Headquarters of the British Army of the Rhine in 1965. He was appointed a Commander of the Belgian Order of the Crown in 1965 (Léopold III of Belgium was Colonel of his regiment), and Companion of the Order of the Bath in 1966. He left the Army in 1967, but was Colonel of the 9th/12th Royal Lancers from 1967 to 1973.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert_Monckton,_2nd_Viscount_Monckton_of_Brenchley


Her nephew

christopher Monkton

Christopher Walter Monckton, 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley (born 14 February 1952) is a British politician, public speaker,[1] hereditary peer, and former newspaper editor. He has worked for The Universe, The Sunday Telegraph, Today and Evening Standard newspapers. Formerly a member of the Conservative Party, he served in Conservative Central Office and worked for Margaret Thatcher's Number 10 Policy Unit during the 1980s.

Monckton became known in the 1990s for his invention of the Eternity puzzle, a mathematical puzzle for which he offered a prize of one million pounds to the first person who could solve it within four years.[2] In recent years he has come to public attention for holding sceptical views about man-made climate change.[3][4][5][6]




Her Niece

Rosa Monckton

Rosa Monckton is the daughter of Gilbert Monckton, 2nd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley and was educated at the Ursuline Convent at Tildonk in Belgium.[1] She is married to the journalist
Dominic Lawson
Lawson was educated at Westminster School and then Christ Church, Oxford. He is the elder son of Nigel Lawson, a former Conservative Chancellor of the Exchequer, and socialite Vanessa Salmon, heir to the Lyons Corner House empire

Lawson has several times been accused of working with MI6 (by for instance Richard Tomlinson), but has denied being an agent.[6]

From 1995 until 2005, Lawson was editor of The Sunday Telegraph. In 2000 the newspaper was named Newspaper of the Year at the British Press Awards. In 2006, he started to write columns for The Independent newspaper and in 2008, he became the main columnist for The Sunday Times.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominic_Lawson

Monckton was a friend of Diana, Princess of Wales. Regarding Diana's alleged pregnancy at the time of her death, Monckton told a BBC documentary in December 2006 that Diana had had her period while they were on holiday together ten days before Diana died

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Monckton

Rosa Monckton has disclosed that someone close to her was involved with MI6.

Miss Monckton told the inquest into the princess's death that she personally had "no connection with the security services" but that "someone close to me is connected with the SIS"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1572603/Rosa-Monckton-admits-close-link-to-MI6.html


So rosa Monkton and jimmy savile were close confidants of princess Diana or were they her handlers

Who was she refering to being in MI6 her husband her father /grandfather/ aunt /brother
or all of the above