Saville & satanic ritual abuse

Brown Bomber

Child abuse cops seize VIP list: Politicians, MI5 agent, Royal aide and pop stars all named

19 Jan 2013 22:00 First arrests expected soon following dawn raid in connection with suburban guest house that operated as gay brothel
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/police-seize-vip-list-in-dawn-1546351

Sixtus

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Child abuse cops seize VIP list: Politicians, MI5 agent, Royal aide and pop stars all named

19 Jan 2013 22:00 First arrests expected soon following dawn raid in connection with suburban guest house that operated as gay brothel
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/police-seize-vip-list-in-dawn-1546351

kinda puts a dampener on the theory they have complete control over the state if they're getting arrested and it's getting reported on in the MSM.

enno99

Sixtus wrote: »

kinda puts a dampener on the theory they have complete control over the state if they're getting arrested and it's getting reported on in the MSM.

Yeah well its not just CT folk looking at this

Like Torakx said

Dont forget the sacrificial lamb, aka random lowly mp of some kind.

and a few has been pop stars and a few others who fell out of favour all to just placate the Tv viewers/tabloid readers

The thread over on david icke has 2100+ pages with 42800 posts( and hardly a mention of a lizzard) there are posters from sites like mumsnet
Who went there when their threads started getting closed down
http://www.mumsnet.com/
Victims of abuse from the welsh home cover up and many others who were abused by others they were talking about max cliffiod knowing stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFYbPnk_hzA

and calling for his arrest way before he got called in

If you look through the post time lines you will notice some MSM journalists were closely following the thread as are others I would imagine

Petitions /appeals/letteres to politicians handing out fliers they have the bit between their teeth on this it seems


Anyone with an interest in this should take a look.
Ok some of the stuff gets regurgitated and there are some out there theories/connections
but a vast amount of information on pedophiles cover ups etc

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=222773

Anyway another friend of jimmy

Pervert MP Cyril Smith was pals with satanic child sex monster

Paedophile MP Cyril Smith was in league with another appalling child sex abuser who set up satanic rituals and raped children as young as TWO, the Sunday People has discovered.

Victim Michael Roberts, 40, today bravely puts aside his right to ­anonymity to tell for the first time how he was only six when he was sexually abused by 29-stone politician Smith.

And shockingly he has revealed his devil-worshipping stepdad Michael Horgan organised the horrendous ordeal. Horgan made a deal with the man who went on to be knighted after years as a ­respected Member of Parliament.

Michael claims Smith, who was also a close pal of Jimmy Savile, told him he had been “a naughty boy” before forcing him to take part in a perverted spanking and groping ritual.

The shock revelation over the satanist and MP’s friendship raises questions over any role Smith and Jimmy Savile may have played in Horgan’s paedo ring.

Horgan was also pals with Raymond Hewlett, the child rapist questioned in relation to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/pervert-mp-cyril-smith-was-pals-1546290

Jonny7

enno99 wrote: »

If you look through the post time lines you will notice some MSM journalists were closely following the thread as are others I would imagine

Petitions /appeals/letteres to politicians handing out fliers they have the bit between their teeth on this it seems

There were also false accusations, including on this forum. There are people taken in for questioning who are completely innocent.

It's very easy for it to degenerate into a witch-hunt.

enno99

Jonny7 wrote: »

There were also false accusations, including on this forum. There are people taken in for questioning who are completely innocent.

It's very easy for it to degenerate into a witch-hunt.

There were accusations that were retracted by some were they proven to be false ?

If so how ?

What judge deems them so ?



Yes innocent people are questioned by police daily on a range of matters what is your point

Jonny7

enno99 wrote: »

There were accusations that were retracted by some were they proven to be false ?

Yeah there was a thread here before connecting various people to abuse

McAlpine, Portillo, Peter Lilly, even seen Gordon Brown's name thrown around.

enno99

Jonny7 wrote: »

Yeah there was a thread here before connecting various people to abuse

McAlpine, Portillo, Peter Lilly, even seen Gordon Brown's name thrown around.

I am aware of that I want to know why you stated the accusations were false and where were they proven to be false

Jonny7

enno99 wrote: »

I am aware of that I want to know why you stated the accusations were false and where were they proven to be false

McAlpine was mistakenly accused. And the others I don't even know why their names were there. A lot of the "internet" side of it is just a pure rumour mill, even Schofield and co got badly caught out on it.

There are a lot of abusers out there, but there's a fine line, people can have their lives and livelihoods ruined just because of lazy rumours. The UK press are absolutely no stranger to this.

enno99

Jonny7 wrote: »

McAlpine was mistakenly accused. And the others I don't even know why their names were there. A lot of the "internet" side of it is just a pure rumour mill, even Schofield and co got badly caught out on it.

.

Ah the media circus

Wonder why hes career didnt nosedive after that stunt
Here he is last week at Clarence house

There are a lot of abusers out there, but there's a fine line, people can have their lives and livelihoods ruined just because of lazy rumours. The UK press are absolutely no stranger to this.

There is also a lot of children whose lifes are being ruined as we speak where is their voice

The guiltless can prove their inncence right ?

Jonny7

enno99 wrote: »

Ah the media circus

Wonder why hes career didnt nosedive after that stunt
Here he is last week at Clarence house

Uh huh, the press conveniently becomes friend or foe when it suits.

The guiltless can prove their inncence right ?

False accusations can ruin people's lives or worse.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/8828589/Teachers-lives-ruined-by-false-allegations-warns-minister.html
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/1222/1224328122146.html?via=mr

Brown Bomber

Sixtus wrote: »

kinda puts a dampener on the theory they have complete control over the state if they're getting arrested and it's getting reported on in the MSM.

Maybe it would...if that was the theory

hooradiation

enno99 wrote: »

There is also a lot of children whose lifes are being ruined as we speak where is their voice

So it's perfectly ok to engage in a witch-hunt with no concern for accuracy or who it ****s over, because making an appeal to fear is just fine.

Paedo-hysteria makes people stupid. And their stupidity shouldn't be encouraged.

Daithi 1

SoulandForm wrote: »

Pretty scary should it be true.. very scary.

Busted Flat.

BREAKING NEWS: BBC presenter Stuart Hall charged with molesting 10 young girls over 19-year period
Charged with one count of rape allegedly in 1976 against woman aged 22
Also charged with 14 indecent assault offences against 10 girls aged 9-16
Arrested this morning after attending appointment with Lancashire Police
Veteran BBC broadcaster is known for his eccentric football summaries
By LUCY OSBORNE and MARK DUELL


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2266705/Stuart-Hall-charged-rape-14-counts-indecent-assault-alleged-offences-decade-period.html#ixzz2IkfxneNA
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http://t.co/pChfRuVw

Brown Bomber

Busted Flat. wrote: »

BREAKING NEWS: BBC presenter Stuart Hall charged with molesting 10 young girls over 19-year period
Charged with one count of rape allegedly in 1976 against woman aged 22
Also charged with 14 indecent assault offences against 10 girls aged 9-16
Arrested this morning after attending appointment with Lancashire Police
Veteran BBC broadcaster is known for his eccentric football summaries
By LUCY OSBORNE and MARK DUELL


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2266705/Stuart-Hall-charged-rape-14-counts-indecent-assault-alleged-offences-decade-period.html#ixzz2IkfxneNA
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
http://t.co/pChfRuVw

... another one honored by the Queen.

Brown Bomber

Jonny7 wrote: »

Uh huh, the press conveniently becomes friend or foe when it suits.



False accusations can ruin people's lives or worse.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/8828589/Teachers-lives-ruined-by-false-allegations-warns-minister.html
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/1222/1224328122146.html?via=mr

Yeah, it must've been very traumatic for Lance Armstrong - the non-drug cheat - with all those false accusations flying around and the millions he received in settlements for the "false" accusations.

Busted Flat.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

... another one honored by the Queen.

It is a qualification that helps you get on the Honors list.

Dave!

Can someone summarise the different theories being proposed here? The first half of the thread seems to focus on satanism for some reason... There are also suggestions that Saville was protected by the Royals, MI5, MI6 (etc.?)

Would be great if there was some clarity rather than a stream of consciousness going from people's asses to their keyboards.

Torakx

Dave! wrote: »

Can someone summarise the different theories being proposed here? The first half of the thread seems to focus on satanism for some reason... There are also suggestions that Saville was protected by the Royals, MI5, MI6 (etc.?)

Would be great if there was some clarity rather than a stream of consciousness going from people's asses to their keyboards.

The satanism might be related to Haut De La Garenne.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2218517/Jimmy-Savile-pictured-surrounded-children-Jersey-care-home-192-suffered-abuse.html




Here is a documentary investigating links to satanism and child abuse on Jersey Island,the location of Haut De La Garenne.
Its a bit OTT but the actual evidence presented despite the way its presented, is pretty indictive of some kind of satanic associations around there, with money and power.
The statue of Satan is the most interesting one i saw.And the children statues are creepy.

Not suitable for children.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wcf6mYPvYws

About the UK intelligence agencies.
He was friends with Royalty.
He indicated many times that he was "untouchable".
And its suspected he was a supplier of children for his friends and I would suspect to blackmail powerfull people.
For whom I dont know.
Maybe he was just a twisted guy who got high up because of his trade(children supplier), using blackmail to make his way to the royals and blackmail more money to buy the many estates he owned.Up to 4-7 million pounds worth.
Or maybe he was groomed to be the Queens blackmailer.

Im not sure what the links are to the uk Intelligence agencies though.
Im a bit rusty on this one.

Edit:
A quick search shows Savile was knighted in 1990, for charity work apparently.
Its said that he cannot be stripped of his knighthood because, I quote "It's a living order and then you cease to be a member when you die," a Cabinet Office spokesman said. "There isn't an honour to revoke."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/oct/09/jimmy-savile-knighthood

Hhhmmm, a living order? Sounds strange.Like its an active cell.
Out of curiosity did anything important happen around that time that would merit a knighthood from the Queeen and country?
Maybe a foriegn politician came to visit and Saville spun his webs gaining political advantage in an important situation.
A far stetch of the imagination, but I wouldnt be suprised should that have been the case.

Edit2:
He used to refer to his mother as "The Duchess".He spent a couple of days to a week with his mother in the house after she died.So we know he was in some ways very attached to her.
Maybe she was a lover to royalty at some time and professed this to her son.
The bastard son of a prince might get sorted for a career, but maybe not one that would indicate a blood tie.
Specualtion on my part.
Its late

Brown Bomber

Elm guest house: Home Office was warned by top Tory 30 years ago of VIP paedophile ring

10 Feb 2013 00:00 Geoffrey Dickens MP handed over a 50-page dossier detailing VIP child abuse in 1984

A senior Tory MP handed an explosive dossier ­alleging VIP child abuse to the Government almost 30 years ago, the Sunday People can reveal.
The 50 pages contained information about suspected paedophile rings, police misconduct and abuse of boys in a care home.
There are suggestions the dossier contained links to the notorious Elm guest house in south-west London which is currently the focus of the Met Police’s investigation Operation Fernbridge.
But the file has disappeared.

It was presented to the Home Office by Geoffrey Dickens MP in 1984.

Later he had a half-hour meeting with the then-Home Secretary Leon Brittan which Mr Dickens described as encouraging.
The MP for Littleborough and Saddleworth said he had been assured his allegations of a UK-wide paedophile ring would be fully investigated.
But there is no evidence Mr Dickens’ findings were ever followed up and the Home Office admits it has no idea where the file is now.
Our revelations support claims first made in the Commons last October by campaigning MP Tom Watson that evidence of a VIP paedophile ring with links to the heart of government was not ­followed up in the early 1980s.

Together they raise concerns that a cover-up – perhaps orchestrated by MI5 or Scotland Yard’s Special Branch – may have protected senior figures mentioned in the dossier.

Mr Watson has now tabled a Parliamentary question asking Home Secretary Theresa May to track down the Dickens dossier and make it available to MPs.
Mr Dickens, who died in 1995 aged 63, spent years collecting his evidence. The colourful MP was convinced he had solid proof of a VIP paedophile network with links to Parliament, Buckingham Palace and other areas of public life.

It is believed he handed at least two dossiers to the Government.

In 1981 he used Parliamentary privilege to name diplomat Sir Peter Hayman as a paedophile.

Three years earlier an envelope containing obscene literature and written material had been found on a London bus.
A police investigation found vile correspondence between Sir Peter and several other people.
But no prosecution was brought against the diplomat, who worked for MI6 and was High Commissioner to Canada.
The police uncovered Hayman’s links to the ­infamous Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE).

The twisted pressure group lobbied for child-sex perverts to be given equal rights and for the age of consent to be lowered to four.
In 1983, Mr Dickens said there were “big, big names – people in positions of power, influence and responsibility” and threatened to expose them in Parliament if no action was taken against PIE.

The MP handed a ­one-million strong petition against the group to Home Secretary Mr Brittan.
In 1984 he revealed he had called for Mr Brittan to investigate the allegations in his dossier.
He added: “The dossier contained allegations of a child offence in a children’s home.”

Continued.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/home-office-was-warned-by-top-tory-1647786#

Torakx

And I had thought that was the end of that.
Maybe it is overall.
But that information there, seems damning for government.
I am guessing those links to that pedo group found on the bus was not an accident.
Fair play to that MP! Somebody with a conscience at last.

Brown Bomber

Here is more on the "guest house". It was being recommended by a Tory homosexuality advocacy group as a place to visit in the 80's.

http://www.exaronews.com/articles/4816/tory-group-recommended-guest-house-in-met-paedo-probe

Busted Flat.

I was criticized before over trolling looking for something to bash the brits with. I do not have to do that, your own journals do that. I also said as regards the Saville inquiry, there were going to be more things coming down the line, as regards perverts. In Ireland, how many years ago? when Ester Ransten ( hopefully I have the name correct) broke the story, in both countries, how could she have known the amount of relief she gave to the hidden victims, who thought they were on their own. Give credit to Ester. Here is another example.

As I said in earlier posts, the web is reaching higher towards the sick people at the top. It hasn't got that far in Ireland yet but it is getting there slowly.

Ten women come forward with new claims after suicide of witness in trial against choirmaster
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.guardian.co.uk%2F&ei=LigYUfP2B4WM0wWajIHQCg&usg=AFQjCNGq5Qw2Qu7CCeTvJMgRgrbZurBDcA&sig2=09RVQyRaJmpZ92bA-K6mfw

Torakx

I may be mistaken, but wasnt she in charge of some charity or support group for kids and also stood by as Savile abused kids?
Child line maybe.

Busted Flat.

Just thought you should know.

BREAKING: Coronation Street actor Michael Le Vell (Kevin Webster) has been charged with child sex offences, Greater Manchester Police

Torakx

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Just thought you should know.

BREAKING: Coronation Street actor Michael Le Vell (Kevin Webster) has been charged with child sex offences, Greater Manchester Police

Hmm how did an investigation into the BBC etc lead to coronation street.
On that note what does "Coro-nation" mean if anything?

kumate_champ07

Torakx wrote: »

Hmm how did an investigation into the BBC etc lead to coronation street.
On that note what does "Coro-nation" mean if anything?

he was also arrested in 2011 but the case was dropped.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-15195193

Busted Flat.

Torakx wrote: »

Hmm how did an investigation into the BBC etc lead to coronation street.
On that note what does "Coro-nation" mean if anything?

As I said earlier, this thing is just starting.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/corrie-actor-charged-with-child-sex-offences-584808.html


http://cache.tcm.ie/media/images/m/MichaelLeVell2010PA_large.jpg

Whose next in the cesspit. Granted we had and still have the priests in this cesspit, and a lot of corrupt civilians, that are protected.

Torakx

I know its encouraging and all to see this being dealt with.
I cant help giving some credit to my intuition and thinking some small fries will fall but not the big fish with power and money.
This isnt changing paradigms as I would like.
Its a start of course!
But I just feel no matter what abuse, the people in powerfull positions with good contacts are untouchable, unless some little unknown man comes out of nowhere and cuts them off at the head...symbolically speaking of course!

Another thought on the whole, throw the small guy under the bus scenario/theory.
What if this guy is innocent?
Probably not if the police are pressing charges..they must have some evidence.
Or maybe for the medias sake all thats needed is some accussations and a court case,with no convictions.The motions of acting and the media play may be enough to quell the rage at the government pedos.
Or guys like this were brought in well early to be used later as scapegoats.
Just a thought.

Busted Flat.

Torakx wrote: »

I know its encouraging and all to see this being dealt with.
I cant help giving some credit to my intuition and thinking some small fries will fall but not the big fish with power and money.
This isnt changing paradigms as I would like.
Its a start of course!
But I just feel no matter what abuse, the people in powerfull positions with good contacts are untouchable, unless some little unknown man comes out of nowhere and cuts them off at the head...symbolically speaking of course!

Another thought on the whole, throw the small guy under the bus scenario/theory.
What if this guy is innocent?
Probably not if the police are pressing charges..they must have some evidence.Just a thought.

Things have changed in this world, there is a new breed of Cop emerging in western Europe, they are going their there own way. No more, of obeying the old circle of corruption. Give them the support they need to take the perverts at the top down. Respect was expected for the elite. That day has gone, no one is entitled to respect, no matter what walk of life you are in unless you earn it. Entitlement is gone for the elite.