Saville & satanic ritual abuse

Jonny7

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Yep, let's allow the establishment to investigate the establishment ...again. Lets breathe a collective sigh of relief when the establishment tell us everything is alright...again. Let's all go back to sleep... again.

Uh huh, once again the evil nefarious establishment pulls the strings, and the wool, over the sheeple's eyes, while they sacrifice another one of their own to appease the masses.

It's beautiful.

Joshua J

Jonny7 wrote: »

Uh huh, once again the evil nefarious establishment pulls the strings, and the wool, over the sheeple's eyes, while they sacrifice another one of their own to appease the masses.

It's beautiful.

How do you sacrifice a dead man Jonny?.

Jonny7

Joshua J wrote: »

How do you sacrifice a dead man Jonny?.

By blaming everything on Saville of course.

Wouldn't be much of an establishment if they didn't at least control police inquiries.

Joshua J

Jonny7 wrote: »

By blaming everything on Saville of course.

Wouldn't be much of an establishment if they didn't at least control police inquiries.

Are you saying it's ludicrous to consider that people in positions of power could influence an inquiry?.

There were alegations made to the police before he died and nothing was done. The CPS had to release an apology for not following up on the allegations. It's not unreasonable to presume a cover up of some description. Your faith in the justice system is completely misplaced Jonny, I do wonder about you if I'm honest.

Jonny7

Joshua J wrote: »

Are you saying it's ludicrous to consider that people in positions of power could influence an inquiry?.

Nope, but it's ludicrous to consider it before the inquiry is finished, unless that someone has information that the inquiry is a white-wash or being manipulated

hooradiation

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Yep, let's allow the establishment to investigate the establishment ...again. Lets breathe a collective sigh of relief when the establishment tell us everything is alright...again. Let's all go back to sleep... again.

Frankly, I don't know why we even bother with things like due process and investigations when people with such finely honed skills are working for free online to find whatever truth suits them best.
Waste of money, really.

Party Supply Van

Joshua J wrote: »

There were alegations made to the police before he died and nothing was done. The CPS had to release an apology for not following up on the allegations. It's not unreasonable to presume a cover up of some description.

This is what I don't get, it's like something out of the catholic churches history. Since all this came out it seems people from all walks of life knew about him. It even seems that Irvine Welsch had a character based on him in one of his books.

So who was protecting him? The BBC? The royals themselves?
Funnily enough the Irvine Welsch character was called Freddie Royle.
Any chance that saville was the result of a royal fling back in the day and was allowed to live his life in a somewhat royal manner? Going around doing fundraisers, adorned in gold, smoking a big ol cigar. And he also referred to his mother as the Duchess.

Off topic, it really bothers me that a modern society have to have fundraisers for children in need. Surely something like helping the plight of disadvantaged children should be a given within a modern society instead of having to annex it out to the goodwill of people.

Brown Bomber

hooradiation wrote: »

Frankly, I don't know why we even bother with things like due process and investigations when people with such finely honed skills are working for free online to find whatever truth suits them best.
Waste of money, really.

Oh so now your an advocate of due process? That's weird. It wasn't long ago you were defending Obama's targetted killing and signature strikes of brown people on the other side of the world.

So is it due process for all, except Muslims then?

I am very much in favour of an investigation, but a real one. Not another Hillsborough sham were the corrupt are covering for the corrupt and are in bed with the media.

Brown Bomber

Party Supply Van wrote: »

So who was protecting him?

That's what I'd like to know, but I guarantee you we never will.

Something that I've considered is that the teflon paedo cut a deal with MI5 after he was caught with his pants down. I'm thinking maybe he involved various dignitaries, politicians, bankers and so on in his satanic abuse parties with the intelligence being passed onto MI5 for blackmailing them.,

Jonny7

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I am very much in favour of an investigation, but a real one. Not another Hillsborough sham were the corrupt are covering for the corrupt and are in bed with the media.

Hillsborough was not premeditated. Any inquest is there to determine the accountability of everyone from stadium staff to police. On the day, in such an emergency situation, who exactly is to blame is a very delicate subject.

Ferry safety changed dramatically after the sinking of the Herald of Free Enterprise, a demonstration of absolutely negligence (failure to close the doors properly)

The Breivik shooting in Norway would be quite the opposite. Difficult to apportion blame. Everything is analysed, from police reaction times (getting to the island), to security in the capital, to domestic gun laws, to threat monitoring.

Any accident, disaster or tragedy almost anywhere comes under extreme scrutiny after. People try to escape blame, people try to defend their jobs, people try to defend colleagues.

More often than not, an inquest is needed to determine exactly, and objectivity, what happened and who was responsible.

Edit: obviously not all inquests reach the same level, some fall far short, some are even considered whitewashes (influenced)

Busted Flat.

Jonny7 wrote: »

Hillsborough was not premeditated. Any inquest is there to determine the accountability of everyone from stadium staff to police. On the day, in such an emergency situation, who exactly is to blame is a very delicate subject.

Ferry safety changed dramatically after the sinking of the Herald of Free Enterprise, a demonstration of absolutely negligence (failure to close the doors properly)

The Breivik shooting in Norway would be quite the opposite. Difficult to apportion blame. Everything is analysed, from police reaction times (getting to the island), to security in the capital, to domestic gun laws, to threat monitoring.

Any accident, disaster or tragedy almost anywhere comes under extreme scrutiny after. People try to escape blame, people try to defend their jobs, people try to defend colleagues.

More often than not, an inquest is needed to determine exactly, and objectivity, what happened and who was responsible.

Hillsborough contradicts your post, If it was not for the determination of the families the first inquiry would have stood, just like Bloody Sunday, the families forced the low life establishment would have won out.
Next time someone calls me anti brit, can you see where I am coming from.

SoulandForm

Jonny I think a lot of conspiracy theories are window licking stuff- however there is a shadowy elite behind the scenes, there is proof of plenty of conspiracies, and we dont know what is going on really as simple plebs- that leaves a space where a lot of nonsense can enter in, but also a lot of truth. People who just dismiss conspiracy theory are as mad as those who embrace any that is going in my book.

Torakx

@BB That seems to be the only thing that makes sense so far.

His relationship with his mother was strange too.

Jimmy Savile, youngest of seven, child of a poor Yorkshire home, never formed an enduring relationship with a woman, except that which he enjoyed with “The Duchess”. After Agnes died in 1973, he spent five days with her body before its burial. “The best five days of my life,” he said. “She looked marvellous. She belonged to me. It’s wonderful, is death.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9636035/Jimmy-Savile-a-strange-and-sordid-life-unravels-after-death.html

I searched serial killer and mother and found some interesting things.
Some studies are showing serial killers seem to have a strong relationship with their mothers.
Ussually one of conflict and admiration im guessing.

It wouldnt suprise me, if he was dressed up in her clothes for those 5 days...honestly.And thats putting it mildly.

He was also involved with abuse at the Haut De La Garenne site.
Human remains were reported found inside a basement room as it was being investigated.
There was a bit of a scramble and the whole place was knocked down and built over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lq6lJsBz9UY

This program shows there may be a satanic or ritualistic element to some of these killings and abuses.
I think overall though, it was about control(on many levels) and lust.
Im unsure if there is a genuine Satanic movement behind these things on a large organised scale.
I think it could be a part of it, but not neccesarily the driving force or even control mechanism.
Its possible though.

Joshua J

Jonny7 wrote: »

Nope, but it's ludicrous to consider it before the inquiry is finished, unless that someone has information that the inquiry is a white-wash or being manipulated

I've got an advanced copy Jonny. It says, "Systemic failures yadda yadda.........mistakes were made blah blah blah.........measures have been taken hocus pocus nothing to see hear move along".

Party Supply Van

+1 on the whole blackmailing thing being the theory that makes most sense.

I watched the movie The Wicker Man earlier on itv and it reminded me of that documentary on Jersey. The movie was a good illustration of how a community can bind together to protect its secrets from the outside world. The reality of what is portrayed in that documentary just beggers belief and even after watching it I still find it hard to get my head around that it could be going on in reality.

Jonny7

SoulandForm wrote: »

People who just dismiss conspiracy theory are as mad as those who embrace any that is going in my book.

Plenty of conspiracies are exposed all time across the world practically on a daily basis, Madoff ****ed over other rich people, NewsCorp was done over by the Met, MP's with their hands in the cookie jar, Assange airing everyone's dirty laundry.. to think they all work seamlessly together is such a convenient belief. In this case, it's lazily implicating people with Saville, because, well, they knew each other, so that's obviously enough.

Jonny7

Joshua J wrote: »

I've got an advanced copy Jonny. It says, "Systemic failures yadda yadda.........mistakes were made blah blah blah.........measures have been taken hocus pocus nothing to see hear move along".

Can you feel it in your bones yeah?

Joshua J

Jonny7 wrote: »

Can you feel it in your bones yeah?

It's all they ever say Jonny. Jonny7 is...............alive?.

Do you think they'll name the person(s) responsible for not following up on the allegations made during his life?.

Jonny7

Joshua J wrote: »

Do you think they'll name the person(s) responsible for not following up on the allegations made during his life?.

Which allegations?

Joshua J

Yawn. Allegations of abuse. What allegations are you on about?.

Here ya go Jonny7, not that you're even interested.

Seven alleged victims of Savile complained to police in Surrey, London, Sussex and Jersey while the disgraced television presenter was alive but the Crown Prosecution Service decided no further action should be taken.
The Director of Public Prosecutions yesterday apologised for the failure to bring charges.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-savile-boasted-friends-in-police-1530688

So you think their gonna name names. Come off the fence for once in your life. No ones gonna disassemble you Jonny7.

enno99

Brown Bomber wrote: »

That's what I'd like to know, but I guarantee you we never will.

Something that I've considered is that the teflon paedo cut a deal with MI5 after he was caught with his pants down. I'm thinking maybe he involved various dignitaries, politicians, bankers and so on in his satanic abuse parties with the intelligence being passed onto MI5 for blackmailing them.,

That seems a good explanation But you have to ask why would they socialise with someone who set them up for blackmail

Christmas with Tatcher personal visits from Charles having the keys to Broadmore practically running the place at one stage he had access to almost everywhere/everyone in the country and the Isreali priminister/irish senator/persident and so on and all this when the dogs on the street knew he was a nonce
The question is who the Fu*k was Jimmy Savile and what did he know ?

someone said awhile back maybe he was a royal bastard ? stranger things have happened

He was in deep since 1966 at least with Mountbatten who also is alleged to be involved in Kincora boys home

PRINCE Charles’s mentor Lord Mountbatten – murdered by the IRA more than 20 years ago – has also been sensationally linked to the notorious Kincora Boys’ Home scandal in east Belfast.

A book called ‘War ofthe Windsors’ Claims that rumours had “even linked him with the notorious scandal surrounding the Kincora Boys’ Home, where a network of teenage boys were made available to VIPs.”
It states: “Of all the recent Royals, none was so consistently immoral and unprincipled as the late Lord Mountbatten.
“Both he and his wife Edwina were bisexual, and they led a life of unbridled promiscuity.
“He was also said to have an interest in what homosexuals call ‘rough trade’ and to be particularly attracted to working-class boys in their early teens.”

SoulandForm

Jonny7

Joshua J wrote: »

So you think their gonna name names. Come off the fence for once in your life. No ones gonna disassemble you Jonny7.

Not sure what's up with your attitude

If someone wants to infer people were acting in collusion with Savile they need something more than just guilt by association. He knew a lot of people.

It's fun to pretend and play along that their are shadowy elite satanic groups and all that, but it's not the 15th century any more, usually extraordinary needs some pretty strong evidence.

I don't see anyone accusing the staff of the dozen of so hospitals (where the abuse is alleged to have happened) being tenuously linked to satanism etc

Joshua J

Jonny7 wrote: »

Not sure what's up with your attitude

If someone wants to infer people were acting in collusion with Savile they need something more than just guilt by association. He knew a lot of people.

It's fun to pretend and play along that their are shadowy elite satanic groups and all that, but it's not the 15th century any more, usually extraordinary needs some pretty strong evidence.

I don't see anyone accusing the staff of the dozen of so hospitals (where the abuse is alleged to have happened) being tenuously linked to satanism etc

Good man Jonny, I did'nt mention satanism just that the allegations while he was alive were quashed and that means it's not so far fecthed to think that person(s) in positions of power may have influenced it. But it's a normal debating trick around here to attribute positions to people without them holding them, see it all the time. It's what happens when the winning of a debate becomes more important than the issue itself. Carry on Jonny, I'll leave you at it.

Party Supply Van

On a mad tangent really, don't believe this myself as it would mean savillie was innocent, but seeing as it's the conspiracy theories forum.....

Take that maybe he was a royal bastard. One who had evidence of such and one who the royals were willing to humour.

'ok Jimmy, so what is it you want?'
'well then, I never want to have to worry about money again'
'fine'
'and I want to be able to fawn around the country like you do, on fundraisers and what not, and loved by the masses'
'no problem jimmy, in fact, very good'
'and one more thing, I want one of those special hats, just like my da'
'no problem at all Jimmy. Now you do know we can do all that for you. But to do so you will have to agree to one thing'
*jummy gets worried*
'well then well then, whats that then?'
'in death you will be hated by the whole world. And to bring about this hatred for you we will have to lay some foundations for this at times through your life. But you also have our word that none of this will surface in your lifetime and you will remain loved by the masses till the day you die'
'hated for what?'
'you leave that to us jimmy, all will become clear in time. Do we have a deal?'
'Deal'
'Here, have a cigar kid'

Jonny7

Joshua J wrote: »

just that the allegations while he was alive were quashed and that means it's not so far fecthed to think that person(s) in positions of power may have influenced it.

I fully agree, it's embarrassing with hindsight to the police and the crown prosecution that these allegations were not taken as seriously at the time.

Torakx

I think it goes a little past embarassing and more towards total neglect of duty and imo they were complicit with the government/MI5/6 whatever.
They all knew about it really.
Sure he was feeling up kids on television....
Molesting childen on tv! wtf!

Daithi 1

Yes but we never like to speak badly of the establishment ever. So we just say embarrassing. :rolleyes:

Jonny7

Uh huh, but the debate has thankfully turned away from Satanic cults and into something more relevant

For now..

hooradiation

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Oh so now your an advocate of due process? That's weird. It wasn't long ago you were defending Obama's targetted killing and signature strikes of brown people on the other side of the world.

well, looks it's time for false equivalence theatre! And we double down with claiming it's all based on some dislike of adherents to a particular religion.

I hope you and the people who thanked this post have a nice hard think about why such terrible lies is something you're so fond of

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I am very much in favour of an investigation, but a real one. Not another Hillsborough sham were the corrupt are covering for the corrupt and are in bed with the media.

the problem here is your arbitrary definition of a "real" investigation. Closer to the truth of it is "an investigation that reaches the same conclusions I already have".