New York Giants Thread

Very hard to see where that will come from

Philly seem to have got better with the addition of Malik and DeSean Jackson. Also resigned Jason Peters

Dallas lost Cole Beasley but gained Witten

Redskins signing Collins will come back to haunt us I feel

I can see us vieing for the No 1 pick next year rather than the playoffs

https://nypost.com/2019/03/13/the-last-part-of-giants-odell-beckham-trade-recouped-draft-pick/

Interesting small detail

Initially, the deal agreed upon last Friday between the Giants and Browns involved a swap of players — Vernon for guard Kevin Zeitler — and also an exchange of draft picks. The Giants agreed to send their fourth-round pick (No. 132 overall) in the 2019 NFL Draft to the Browns and get back Cleveland’s fifth-round pick (No. 155 overall).

After the same two teams Tuesday night struck an even bigger deal, this one involving Beckham, a new agreement was reached, with the Giants retaining their fourth-round pick and the Browns keeping their fifth-round pick previously part of the Vernon trade. And so, when the NFL starts up its new year at 4 p.m. on Wednesday, the Giants will send Beckham and Vernon to the Browns and get back Zeitler, safety Jabrill Peppers, a Browns first-round pick (No. 17 overall) and a Browns third-round pick (No. 95 overall).

When the dust settles, the Giants will have 12 picks in the upcoming draft:

First round (2): No. 6 overall, No. 17 overall

Second round (1): No. 37

Third round (1): No. 95

Fourth round (2): No. 108, No. 133

Fifth round (3): No. 142, No. 143, No. 171

Sixth round (1): No. 180

Seventh round (2): No. 232, No. 245

Is Rosen worth a second rounder?

Hard to see us not being in the race for no 1 next year

Apparently QB class better next year too

We need a QB of the future

Not sure it's Rosen or Haskins

There was a time when I was proud of the way that this franchise was run. This was under George Young, Ernie Accorsi, Bill Parcells, Tom Coughlan. Heck even Dan Reeves was a gentleman.

But since Jerry Reese came on board and they forced out TC, this has been a franchise in decline. It is now a laughing stock and there needs to be a complete overhaul on the way we do things, or we will end up as a perennial loser.

The level of input from ownership has to be questioned now. Is Tisch now running the show and the Mara's on the back foot. We used to be a franchise with a high moral regard and people within the league would always respect and point to the way the Giants were being run. Now, we are trundling a long from crisis to crisis with no end in sight and certainly no clear visible "plan". If there was a plan, then why did we extend OBJ only to "give" him away less than 12 months later. Pay him €20M and be left with this as dead money. Continue with Eli as the only viable QB. He has a $23.2M cap hit. We can save $5M by cutting him now but where would that leave us. Knowing us, we will pay him that on March 11th and cut him the following day!

We had a chance last year to get a franchise altering QB. All of industry thinking was that picking as high as we were, that position scarcity meant we had to go with a QB. But we went RB. Now, the results were impressive, but all we did was kick the can down the road. And here we are talking about trading a first round pick for a QB we didn't select last year. Again, no semblance of a plan.

This was a once proud franchise which has fallen a long way from grace.

Knex. wrote: »

If I had to bet, I think Giants are either going to either trade for the 1st pick with Arizona, or trade for Rosen.

At this stage, I'd be surprised if they didn't ultimately trade with them for one of the options. Too much smoke without fire.

Funny enough I think Gettleman will stay put at 6

See where the draft falls

We have so many needs I'm not sure trading up is a good idea

You might get Rosen in a trade if the Cardinals select Murray

However is Rosen that good?

I wasn't wowed by him coming up to the draft last year

Might be better BPA this year so all our picks

Tank next year and go QB then with a high pick

We may have in excess of €100m in Cap space next offseason after Eli is gone which should help

Every good thing has to end even Eli

No way he's getting naywhere near €20 at 39 even if he's MVP this year

wawaman wrote: »

The Giants are in talks with Chris Hogan apparently

He wasn't any good with TB12 under centre so why would Eli make him look better. Christ on a bike!

4 year deal with 23 million in guarantees

Seems a lot but depends on how it's structured

I may be wrong, as it's definitely early days in the process, but I don't think this franchise is as rudderless as some are making out.

I believe that this time next year we'll be absolutely in a position to compete. Either we'll have the QB (Haskins or Rosen), or we'll have our defensive pieces in order through the draft and will grab one next year.

Odell was one the most exciting players ever to watch in Big Blue, and it hurts, but I understand it. Barkley will continue to bring that spark and joy and I think the development of the likes of BJ Hill, Hernandez and Carter coupled with the additions of Zeitler and Golden will see us in an alright position.

This team lost its stead a long time ago and unfortunately it takes some drastic moves to get it back on track and stop us floundering in the average or worse territories for years.

100m cap space and some promising pieces next year will have us all very optimistic, I'd almost guarantee it.

Ryan Tannehill has gone to the Titans, so I assume the Dolphins have secured Rosen, as he was talking with them.

Sign of the times, we have 11 1PM start times.

+1 on what tgdaly said

Suits me better but that shows that it will prob be a long season

Best schedule we've had in a long, long time in all honesty. Shame we have such glaring roster issues and won't be able to capitalise.

Only one team coming off their bye, Dallas in week 9, and not at all demanding in terms of coast to coast travel etc.

So what are we thinking for tonight??

So I was wrong

Huge gamble on Jones at 6

Haskins goes to Redskins

Lawrence NT at 17

Traded back into 1st round for Baker at 30

Gettleman better be right about these guys

Currently we don't pick again until very late in 3rd round

Safe to say that pick has not gone down well with majority of pundits and fans

Seems like a huge reach

Giants shock NFL draft by going Daniel Jones with No. 6 pick

https://nypost.com/2019/04/25/giants-shock-nfl-draft-by-going-daniel-jones-with-no-6-pick/

At the moment we have traded OBJ for Dexter Lawrence (17), Jabrill Peppers and 95

Baker (30) cost us second-round pick (No. 37 overall), fourth-round pick (No. 132 overall) and a fifth-round pick (No. 142 overall)

Picks left as it stands

No. 95 overall (Round 3)
No. 108 overall (Round 4)
No. 143 overall (Round 5)
No. 171 overall (Round 5)
No. 180 overall (Round 6)
No. 232 overall (Round 7)
No. 245 overall (Round 7)

Yeah esp with Allen there too

Gettleman has said he couldn't take the chance he would have been there at 17

Jones is very very polarizing prospect

Some reckon he isn't even a 4th rounder and we got him for 6

Our GM though

“He’s just perfect for us,” Gettleman said.

“I walked out there and saw a professional quarterback," Gettleman said of Jones. "After his three series at the Senior Bowl, that was a professional quarterback that I watched.”

If Jones is that good why in hell are we paying Eli to be our starter this year?

Plus we have no pass rushers anymore

I would have been satisfied to see us Haskins picked at 6, seeing him go to Skins at 15 and us taking Jones at 6 is not any Giants fan could have expected and if doesn't work out for us and works out for the Skins it will be a disaster

I'm not going into meltdown over it, also many teams apparently had Jones rated higher than Haskins, I really do hope if you pick Jones at 6 over Haskins when Jones could have likely ended up at 17 that your scouting department have to be totally convinced that Jones is the man to become our Franchise QB

I don't expect to see Jones throw much in 2019 so we will know where last night will go in 2 years time

Fair enough

Yes we can wait and see and the draft is not an exact science

Time will tell on DG

I do really hope he works out

However I remain skeptical

Gettleman made the call. Like you said Gettleman's career with the Giants now will be defined by this pick.

KrustyUCC wrote: »

So here's the full draft class

6.QB Daniel Jones
17.DT Dexter Lawrence
30, 132, 142 CB DeAndre Baker
3rd round Supplemental CB, Same Beal
95 EDGE Oshane Ximines
108 CB Julian Love
143 LB, Ryan Connelly
171 WR Darius Slayton
180 CB Corey Ballentine
232 OT George Asafo-Adjei
245 DT Chris Slayton

How do we think we did bar the Jones pick?

Overall, it was extreme on the Defensive side. Shows how Gettleman thinks of his current roster on that side of the ball.

With the Jones pick, it is very hard to evaluate the draft. Should he have taken Allen at 6 and took the chances that we could get Jones later. But that's all conjecture now and we have to live with it.

I personally like the Jones pick. I would have been devastated to have done anything with Rosen as the QB I saw last year in Arizona was not one I wished to give anything up for.

Not sold on the Lawrence pick after giving up on Snacks.

I liked the CB picks, especially the Love pick. Saw him a good bit playing for the Irish last season and I think he can start week 1. We also have Sam Beal to come in to the secondary, so there is definite hope here.

Overall I liked the draft and think we have upgraded the D overall.

The success of this draft and indeed Gettleman's and Shurmur's tenure now rests on Daniel Jones's shoulders.