NEW 2018 Assistant Principal Officer Competition

bobbysands81 · 17-08-2018 9:17am #1

Good luck everyone!

https://www.publicjobs.ie/en/?option=com_jobsearch&view=jobdetails&cid=94163

JonT · 17-08-2018 10:04am

https://www.publicjobs.ie/en/index.php?option=com_jobsearch&view=jobdetails&Itemid=263&cid=94163

Advertised today, 17/8/18.

Crunchymomma · 17-08-2018 10:18am

Going to throw my hat in for this, although I'm not long an EO so probably haven't got a shot! The experience will hopefully stand for me next time around

Aglomerado · 17-08-2018 11:48am

Crunchymomma wrote: »

Going to throw my hat in for this, although I'm not long an EO so probably haven't got a shot! The experience will hopefully stand for me next time around

I've not been a HEO a wet week but what the hell!

Americaninexile · 17-08-2018 12:24pm

We go again!

WAW · 17-08-2018 1:38pm

Just spotted this. Going to try for it. Any pointers? Hoping to eventually get back to something near my previous levels in work!!

But I'm still waiting for a start date for my EO position, clearance taking forever.

I'm not even in a position and I'm going to try for it!

WAW · 17-08-2018 1:39pm

Aglomerado wrote: »

I've not been a HEO a wet week but what the hell!

Congrats on the HEO

never_mind · 17-08-2018 1:52pm

Hey all

I'm an AO in the Public Sector and have 3 years of a semi-public job. Wouldn't have huge amounts of experience in managing people but am interested in it. I have always worked in education admin (phd). Wondering should I go for it or would the culture be hiring within the CS?

Thanks

Aglomerado · 17-08-2018 2:02pm

WAW wrote: »

Congrats on the HEO

Thank you! And to you too on EO! Best of luck!

WAW · 17-08-2018 2:13pm

never_mind wrote: »

Hey all

I'm an AO in the Public Sector and have 3 years of a semi-public job. Wouldn't have huge amounts of experience in managing people but am interested in it. I have always worked in education admin (phd). Wondering should I go for it or would the culture be hiring within the CS?

Thanks

I would apply for it. I know that years ago I was hired from private sector for a public sector job for my outside experience that I could bring to the public organisation.

OnlyWayIsUp · 17-08-2018 2:47pm

Uuuuuugh, here we go again with the aptitude tests and e-tray... not to mention interviews.

Anyone got any advice on how to practice for the etray?

I heard last time round loads of people failed the etray so any help appreciated.

never_mind · 17-08-2018 3:00pm

WAW wrote: »

I would apply for it. I know that years ago I was hired from private sector for a public sector job for my outside experience that I could bring to the public organisation.

Why not, I may as well! Salary is good too! Wonder how crazy of a job it is stress-wise but prob depends on your PO and what dept you're in.

bobbysands81 · 17-08-2018 3:30pm

OnlyWayIsUp wrote: »

Uuuuuugh, here we go again with the aptitude tests and e-tray... not to mention interviews.

Anyone got any advice on how to practice for the etray?

I heard last time round loads of people failed the etray so any help appreciated.

You’ll find people on this thread will be mega-helpful to you.

Nody · 17-08-2018 3:41pm

Mod:
Threads merged covering the same topic.

quad_red · 18-08-2018 2:18pm

Here we go, again.

Got to interview on last AP competition but didn’t get it. Did AO competition after it and got that. Took the serious pay hit and am now an AO and hopefully will be better prepared for the AP this time.

CavanGilly · 18-08-2018 5:41pm

Gonna throw my hat into the ring for this.

Anyone any links to practice tests? Failed the numerical reasoning before but passed the other 2. Need too practice. Any tips would be great x

duffman13 · 18-08-2018 6:01pm

quad_red wrote: »

Here we go, again.

Got to interview on last AP competition but didn’t get it. Did AO competition after it and got that. Took the serious pay hit and am now an AO and hopefully will be better prepared for the AP this time.

Gonna give it a go myself. I'll chance AO if it comes aswell but not mad on the thoughts of a pay cut. How did you find the transition?

Ravelleman · 19-08-2018 11:48am

Does the stage-one assessment typically involve a questionnaire, in addition to the psychometric tests? The information booklet lists this as a possibility but does not give a definitive answer.

R777B · 20-08-2018 9:48am

I cant find it anywhere in the information booklet that you have to be in the service two years to apply for interdepartmental - as is normal with these competitions. Does anyone know if this is an oversight, or are we to assume that you still have to be two years in the service?

PhoenixParker · 20-08-2018 9:57am

R777B wrote: »

I cant find it anywhere in the information booklet that you have to be in the service two years to apply for interdepartmental - as is normal with these competitions. Does anyone know if this is an oversight, or are we to assume that you still have to be two years in the service?

This is an open not inter-d so no service requirements.
Anyone can apply.

Sir Ophiuchus · 20-08-2018 10:10am

I'm gonna go for this one; let's see what happens.

Crunchymomma · 20-08-2018 10:16am

PhoenixParker wrote: »

This is an open not inter-d so no service requirements.
Anyone can apply.

There is also an interdepartmental stream

R777B · 20-08-2018 10:21am

Crunchymomma wrote: »

There is also an interdepartmental stream

Exactly, when you go to apply you are asked if you want to apply for open or interdepartmental, or both. But I cant find the requirments for interdepartmental anywhere

Crunchymomma · 20-08-2018 10:38am

R777B wrote: »

Exactly, when you go to apply you are asked if you want to apply for open or interdepartmental, or both. But I cant find the requirments for interdepartmental anywhere

DPER may issue a separate circular today about it?

seamie78 · 20-08-2018 10:45am

I note it states the hours would be a minimum of 43 hrs 15 mins, has this increased significantly from before, before anybody says ap always work more than the minimum I am aware of this

Sir Ophiuchus · 20-08-2018 11:05am

It's still based on a 37 hour work week exclusive of breaks, it's just working off a weird 'standard schedule' I doubt anyone actually works, where you take a 1hr15m lunch every day.

never_mind · 20-08-2018 2:13pm

Application gone in - god I tried not to waffle but seriously that took some amount of ****e talk!

Riskymove · 20-08-2018 5:24pm

Crunchymomma wrote: »

DPER may issue a separate circular today about it?

circulated

the requirement is the usual two years service by 6th September

ThumbTaxed · 20-08-2018 9:40pm

The interdependantal route.

In other words... The loser route

milhous · 20-08-2018 9:49pm

Riskymove wrote: »

circulated

the requirement is the usual two years service by 6th September

Is it when you apply it asks which one you want to go for?

Crunchymomma · 20-08-2018 10:09pm

milhous wrote: »

Is it when you apply it asks which one you want to go for?

Yes there is three streams to choose from on the online form and you just tick which ones you want to apply for

milhous · 20-08-2018 10:12pm

Crunchymomma wrote: »

Yes there is three streams to choose from on the online form and you just tick which ones you want to apply for

Sorr about the questions, but is there less competition or a different format? What's the benefits of going for the interdepartmentL?

bobbysands81 · 20-08-2018 11:54pm

ThumbTaxed wrote: »

The interdependantal route.

In other words... The loser route

You’re actually going for promotion after all your giving out about it???!!!

ThumbTaxed wrote: »

Does anyone think that if you are being recruited for a good job like that from a panel which is never ending, and now hiring those who are the bottom there is something wrong.

Interdepartmental AP is surely a farcical situation

ThumbTaxed wrote: »

Honest question. How do you feel about taking a job ahead of someone who is far better suited to that job and the only reason you are getting it is because of the inadequate way PAS and the civil service hire?

No, it isn't sour grapes by the way. I am speaking on behalf of those better qualified on internal promotion lists or open panels who are blocked by such persons.

ThumbTaxed wrote: »

There is no comparison and that is why promotion on interdepartmental is basically the dogs dinner of promotions and a nuisance to the country.

ThumbTaxed wrote: »

Also remember you can promoted easily enough on civil service by lying on your application and faking it.

21-08-2018 8:55am

ThumbTaxed wrote: »

The interdependantal route.

In other words... The loser route

1. Excuse yourself.
2. Explain yourself.
3. What is the interdependantal route?
4. AP level is removed from operational, discuss.
5. Have you heard about modernisation?

prettyboy81 · 21-08-2018 11:50am

I'll put one in for this. Plenty of questions to be answered on the app form. Will have some content from the Senior Executive Officer application form.

Skip13 · 21-08-2018 12:15pm

Yep, it's a long form all right, but I suppose its senior management. Best of Luck all.

never_mind · 21-08-2018 12:29pm

Skip13 wrote: »

Yep, it's a long form all right, but I suppose its senior management. Best of Luck all.

Do you wonder if they actually read them?

CBCB · 21-08-2018 2:05pm

never_mind wrote: »

Do you wonder if they actually read them?

Yes, they will but not until after the online assessments. That's how they will shortlist

never_mind · 21-08-2018 2:42pm

CBCB wrote: »

Yes, they will but not until after the online assessments. That's how they will shortlist

Mine are fine as answers but they each only have maybe 150-200 words in each block. Trying to be concise!

relax carry on · 21-08-2018 4:02pm

Anyone know of anywhere I can find a list of of civil service offices per county to help with choosing locations?

Addle · 21-08-2018 4:08pm

relax carry on wrote: »

Anyone know of anywhere I can find a list of of civil service offices per county to help with choosing locations?

Try the mobility section on peoplepoints website.

relax carry on · 21-08-2018 4:12pm

Addle wrote: »

Try the mobility section on peoplepoints website.

Brilliant. Thank you.

Addle · 21-08-2018 4:21pm

I'd appreciate if someone will let me know the closing date for applications.
TIA

coloneldecker · 21-08-2018 4:29pm

ThumbTaxed wrote: »

The interdependantal route.

In other words... The loser route

Excellent, another fine contribution, you were missed from the 2016 thread after you stopped leaving your pearls of wisdom there, welcome back :rolleyes:

Riskymove · 21-08-2018 4:30pm

Addle wrote: »

I'd appreciate if someone will let me know the closing date for applications.
TIA

6 sept

quad_red · 21-08-2018 8:08pm

duffman13 wrote: »

Gonna give it a go myself. I'll chance AO if it comes aswell but not mad on the thoughts of a pay cut. How did you find the transition?

There's been some adjustment. The 'on boarding' process and induction was non existent (30 min powerpoint and that's it).

But really enjoying the work and the people. And to see that gold harp on my business card... I know I sound like a sap but I was proud.

I just hope it leaves me better prepared for the AP comp this time round!

annamosullivan · 21-08-2018 8:52pm

Hello, are there any good books/websites out there to help us prepare for the aptitude tests/e-trays, etc for this role? Thanks

ThumbTaxed · 21-08-2018 9:18pm

bobbysands81 wrote: »

ThumbTaxed wrote: »

The interdependantal route.

In other words... The loser route

You’re actually going for promotion after all your giving out about it???!!!

ThumbTaxed wrote: »

Does anyone think that if you are being recruited for a good job like that from a panel which is never ending, and now hiring those who are the bottom there is something wrong.

Interdepartmental AP is surely a farcical situation

ThumbTaxed wrote: »

Honest question. How do you feel about taking a job ahead of someone who is far better suited to that job and the only reason you are getting it is because of the inadequate way PAS and the civil service hire?

No, it isn't sour grapes by the way. I am speaking on behalf of those better qualified on internal promotion lists or open panels who are blocked by such persons.

ThumbTaxed wrote: »

There is no comparison and that is why promotion on interdepartmental is basically the dogs dinner of promotions and a nuisance to the country.

ThumbTaxed wrote: »

Also remember you can promoted easily enough on civil service by lying on your application and faking it.

Sorry to disappoint but I am beyond that level

ThumbTaxed · 21-08-2018 9:22pm

1100010110 wrote: »

ThumbTaxed wrote: »

The interdependantal route.

In other words... The loser route

1. Excuse yourself.
2. Explain yourself.
3. What is the interdependantal route?
4. AP level is removed from operational, discuss.
5. Have you heard about modernisation?

I think those who pick up on typos on a forum as a stick to best another with is basically lacking wit. Good luck with the job, you'll probably come 999th and get promotion anyway and be a hindrance to your employer.

21-08-2018 9:33pm

ThumbTaxed wrote: »

I think those who pick up on typos on a forum as a stick to best another with is basically lacking wit. Good luck with the job, you'll probably come 999th and get promotion anyway and be a hindrance to your employer.

You make me smile thumbtaxed

relax carry on · 21-08-2018 9:47pm

ThumbTaxed wrote: »

Sorry to disappoint but I am beyond that level

God I sincerely hope not or that's just another nail in coffin for my faith in humanity.

NEW 2018 Assistant Principal Officer Competition

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