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Amenity placed outside house by neighbours

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    #92
    Phileas Frog
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    Shout at the children, and make sure to shake your fist in the air.


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    #93
    Tell me how
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    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Anyone who is saying its just kids let them play have not experienced the THUMP THUMP THUMP of a basketball for hours on end . It is a head wrecker and I would definitely have words with the neigbour who thinks thats ok

    How likely is hours on end though? They are in school most of the time (no surprise this has come up during easter break). And yes, in summer it could be more but, as the OP said himself, there were football posts put in the green and they grew tired of them after a while.

    I wouldn't be surprised if this ended up with the hoop gone and some of the kids chatting outside the house every evening aimlessly bouncing a basketball over and over and over because they know why it was removed. Now, that would be head wrecking.


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    #94
    Ursus Horribilis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,168 ✭✭✭Ursus Horribilis


    Do you live near a children's play area on an estate?


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    #95
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    Ursus Horribilis wrote: »
    Do you live near a children's play area on an estate?

    Yes. They're there for a couple hours a few days in a row and then they move off and hang out/play somewhere else before coming back around again a few days/weeks later.

    Have guys on skateboards/bikes on sloped footpath outside house pretty much every sunny day for some length of time or another.

    Gives a real sense of community.


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    #96
    iamwhoiam
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    Tell me how wrote: »
    How likely is hours on end though? They are in school most of the time (no surprise this has come up during easter break). And yes, in summer it could be more but, as the OP said himself, there were football posts put in the green and they grew tired of them after a while.

    I wouldn't be surprised if this ended up with the hoop gone and some of the kids chatting outside the house every evening aimlessly bouncing a basketball over and over and over because they know why it was removed. Now, that would be head wrecking.

    Very likely in the summer , kids attracted to the hoop and some playing basketball while others just bounce bounce bounce bounce the ball . Yep definitely head wrecking for anyone within 4 metres of that


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    #97
    donkeykong5
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    I feel very sorry for you. I agree with the posters who have advised you to arrange for it to be removed completely some night. I think your neighbours are extremely uncaring and selfish. The constant worry of your cars been damaged is unacceptable and not been able to watch TV in your own front room because of the constant thud of the ball is rudiculous. Why should you and your wife have to move. That's tantamount to bullying . Just get a couple of friends and get rid of it asap.


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    #98
    iamwhoiam
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    Tell me how wrote: »
    Yes. They're there for a couple hours a few days in a row and then they move off and hang out/play somewhere else before coming back around again a few days/weeks later.

    Have guys on skateboards/bikes on sloped footpath outside house pretty much every sunny day for some length of time or another.

    Gives a real sense of community.

    Do they THUMP a ball against your wall or THUMP a basketball all day ?


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    #99
    Ursus Horribilis
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    Tell me how wrote: »
    Yes. They're there for a couple hours a few days in a row and then they move off and hang out/play somewhere else before coming back around.

    Lucky you.


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    #100
    Tell me how
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    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Do they THUMP a ball against your wall or THUMP a basketball all day ?

    No, and I'm betting they didn't/don't for the OP either.


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    #101
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users Posts: 16,091 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Tell me how wrote: »
    No, and I'm betting they didn't/don't for the OP either.

    A few hours is enough to drive you mad


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    #102
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    donkeykong5 wrote: »
    I feel very sorry for you. I agree with the posters who have advised you to arrange for it to be removed completely some night. I think your neighbours are extremely uncaring and selfish. The constant worry of your cars been damaged is unacceptable and not been able to watch TV in your own front room because of the constant thud of the ball is rudiculous. Why should you and your wife have to move. That's tantamount to bullying . Just get a couple of friends and get rid of it asap.

    You are suggesting that kids having a basketball hoop located across the road from the OP's house is bullying?
    And you are suggesting doing something illegal as an appropriate reaction?


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    #103
    Ursus Horribilis
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    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    A few hours is enough to drive you mad

    I lived in an estate where a neighbour nearly did go mad from the constant thump thump against his wall. He was ordinarily a very reasonable man but this really got under his skin. In the summer months, his wall got a LOT of thumps.


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    #104
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    Ursus Horribilis wrote: »
    I lived in an estate where a neighbour nearly did go mad from the constant thump thump against his wall. He was ordinarily a very reasonable man but this really got under his skin. In the summer months, his wall got a LOT of thumps.

    That's different, that was directly against his property.
    In this instance, the hoop is located across the road from the OP's property and the general direction balls will be thrown in will be away from his house.


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    #105
    Ursus Horribilis
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    Tell me how wrote: »
    That's different, that was directly against his property.
    In this instance, the hoop is located across the road from the OP's property and the general direction balls will be thrown in will be away from his house.

    I see.


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    #106
    donkeykong5
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    Tell me how wrote: »
    donkeykong5 wrote: »
    I feel very sorry for you. I agree with the posters who have advised you to arrange for it to be removed completely some night. I think your neighbours are extremely uncaring and selfish. The constant worry of your cars been damaged is unacceptable and not been able to watch TV in your own front room because of the constant thud of the ball is rudiculous. Why should you and your wife have to move. That's tantamount to bullying . Just get a couple of friends and get rid of it asap.

    You are suggesting that kids having a basketball hoop located across the road from the OP's house is bullying?
    And you are suggesting doing something illegal as an appropriate reaction?
    What's illegal about removing equipment that wasnt there when the poster and his wife bought their house. Its causing them upset. End of !


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    #107
    Spanish Eyes
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    I think it would drive me bonkers TBH. Especially given the cavalier attitude of the parents who really don't seem to appreciate how difficult it is for you. Parents don't hear their own kids, and they are delighted to see them from their front window, but it is you that is being driven crackers with the constant thump, thump.

    Anyway, keep trying to get the neighbours on board, if you make a formal complaint, or escalate it you may have to divulge that if you ever sell.

    In the meantime, if you haven't already got them, very good quality noise cancelling headphones are god's gift.


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    #108
    Tell me how
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    donkeykong5 wrote: »
    What's illegal about removing equipment that wasnt there when the poster and his wife bought their house. Its causing them upset. End of !

    Do you really need an answer to that?


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    #109
    Pkiernan
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    bladespin wrote: »
    Are they actually disturbing anyone or just playing on a public street? The street belongs to them every bit as much as it does to anyone.

    Yeah sure why not have a few horses tied up there too and a mini quad bike ramp?


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    #110
    Tell me how
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    OP, I do empathise with you feeling uncomfortable.
    I would expect that this is a passing fad.

    You mentioned that ye have just bought and are considering if this is your forever location. I don't know your circumstance or plans but maybe in a few years your children could benefit from living in a place where someone is kind enough to put out a hoop like this.

    Live and let live is my opinion.

    I'm out.


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    #111
    jay48
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    Unfortunately I think it's going to be how it is op. I used to live in an estate that was mostly young families and like you, I was the last house in the cul de sac beside a parking / turn around area. The kids were always playing there, balls going over the wall etc and they were jumping over to get it which I didn't mind. As I was away a lot of the time the jumping over the walls turned in to playing in the back garden which the next door neighbour put me on to. I ended up having to put grease on the walls after I heard teens were jumping over and drinking!
    I looked out one day and the lad across the road was playing football with the kids and he set up two coats for a goal on the foot path about 6ft in front of the bonnet of my car, so basically if he scored he hit the car. Another day I came home and there were two tents set up in my front garden. The neighbours would call the kids away when they seen me pull in but it was a free for all when I wasn't there and like your case, I never seen them hanging around in any of their gardens.
    The easiest option is to just put up with it or park your car in the way the odd day to give you a break. As you can see from this thread there's not much middle ground, it's either leave them alone they're kids, what's the problem to solicitors letters and destroying the basketball ring. Common sense would be for your neighbour to tell the kids to give you a break the odd day but the trouble with common sense is it's not common enough.


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    #112
    Tigerandahalf
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    Del2005 wrote: »
    The insurance for a play ground is massive compared to general public liability. The development next to me had a playground installed by contractors in the wrong development, its been sitting rusting away as the complex can't afford the insurance. So how will these complexes with mandatory play areas get cover? The councils are now forcing people to pay massive management fees to cover the fact that they aren't supplying public amenities.

    I was wondering the same. I see some new developments with play areas/astro turf type surface and you wonder who is responsible for its maintenance. Is the council going to take it over once the developer finishes the estate?


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    #113
    Caranica
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    Tigerandahalf wrote: »
    I was wondering the same. I see some new developments with play areas/astro turf type surface and you wonder who is responsible for its maintenance. Is the council going to take it over once the developer finishes the estate?

    We have one and it's a nightmare (managed development). Insurance is sky high and some kids are out there 6am to 10pm at weekends and during holidays, why would a parent mind their own children when the neighbours can watch them instead? Like the OP I can't use my front rooms during daylight hours. But I can't do anything about it, it's not going to be removed.

    The op can get this hoop removed one way or another. It's on a public road therefore is either an obstruction or litter. People cannot unilaterally erect street furniture.


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    #114
    Tigerandahalf
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    @Caranica

    Who pays the insurance at the moment?

    I was in a public playground recently, a lovely place with an astro pitch. I gave a walk in and numerous patches of it have been burnt out. I am not sure if people are using those disposable barbecues on them or just setting fire to the surface.

    These playgrounds in estates are going to cost a lot to maintain.


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    #115
    lawred2
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    Tell me how wrote: »
    How likely is hours on end though? They are in school most of the time (no surprise this has come up during easter break). And yes, in summer it could be more but, as the OP said himself, there were football posts put in the green and they grew tired of them after a while.

    I wouldn't be surprised if this ended up with the hoop gone and some of the kids chatting outside the house every evening aimlessly bouncing a basketball over and over and over because they know why it was removed. Now, that would be head wrecking.

    So what if they are in school during the winter? It's late evenings and weekends during the summer when everyone is home (usually trying to relax) that matter...


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    #116
    the_syco
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    mrmanire wrote: »
    our next door neighbours placed a mobile basketball hoop about 4 metres directly in front of our drive in a car turning area.
    Move it into their driveway.
    Tell me how wrote: »
    Not to mention they do spend most of the day in school most of the year.
    It's a cul-de-sac away from their parents; when summer holidays hit, it'll be every day.
    Tell me how wrote: »
    it takes like an extra 6 seconds to drive past.
    The kids playing there will mean that they won't get out of the way, and the OP has to take great care reversing in or out of the driveway for kids that will not be in his line of sight.
    Tell me how wrote: »
    She says she loves the sound of children playing, it makes her feel good.

    Yes, you feel it is an inconvenience, but it is likely the majority in the estate like the idea of a community such as that.
    I love the smell of napalm in the morning. it smells like victory. But what I like, and what the neighbours like can be two different things.
    Tell me how wrote: »
    And I'd also expect to hear the sound of kids laughing and chatting while playing. All good.
    At 1am? Because once the good weather hits, and if the place is well lit, the teenagers will congregate there and play until very late at night.


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    #117
    bladespin
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    Pkiernan wrote:
    Yeah sure why not have a few horses tied up there too and a mini quad bike ramp?


    Lol, are you seriously comparing a bunch of kids playing basketball to that???? Wow.
    Kids playing is just that, portraying it as antisocial behavior is bonkers.
    Take the game away and I wonder what they would resort to to entertain themselves, I'd considet a hoop a pretyy good compromise.


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    #118
    iamwhoiam
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    bladespin wrote: »
    Lol, are you seriously comparing a bunch of kids playing basketball to that???? Wow.
    Kids playing is just that, portraying it as antisocial behavior is bonkers.
    Take the game away and I wonder what they would resort to to entertain themselves, I'd considet a hoop a pretyy good compromise.

    Yes but not outside your house I am guessing . The hoop is not the problem its the thumping of the basketball


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    #119
    mikemac2
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    The estate will have other turnaround areas. Rotate it around the estate every week

    Of course the other residents love it but it’s not outside their house! I see the OPs neighbors are not keen as they want it close so they can watch. But they can still watch even if it’s further up the estate.

    I think the OP should push this again


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    #120
    Rubberchikken
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    whoever thought it was a good idea in the first place didnt think it through.

    not toi many people would put up with it outside their property tbh.
    the council mightnt be too happy with it either. if it falls over on someone or something that a law suit just waiting.
    tbh i wouldnt be too bothered about 'falling out' with others. if they cant see how inconsiderate it is they're not good neighbours in the first place.


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    #121
    bladespin
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    iamwhoiam wrote:
    Yes but not outside your house I am guessing . The hoop is not the problem its the thumping of the basketball


    Actually, the road outside our house is often full of kids playing headeds and vollies over the cables that cross the street, doesn't bother me, I did it myself as a kid. No horses or quads here.


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