Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 3 MOD NOTE POST 1*

blackspot91 · 20-07-2019 1:56pm

BloodyBill wrote: »

I take your point. Galway didn't bring their best performance in last years final but then who does when they lose. Yeah if Kilkenny can get ontop of Limericks half backs then Limerick will be in trouble. Of course Kilkennys half back line will be marking 3 of the strongest half forwards they will have faced. (Of course TJ and Walter will have marked them in training). I think Kilkenny will go at Hannon and see if they can take him out of the game to stop him delivering those passes. Isnt it odd that the last time Hannon played Kilkenny he scored 4 points at wing forward.
..so all in all Kilkenny have a great chance. Will they win? I seriously doubt it. Weve seen your hand against Cork to a certain extent and I dont see the Kilkenny full forward line getting much change out of the Limerick fullback line. TJs scoring from play has dried up as it tends to do when coming to the latter stages of the Championship. Walter can be bang average at times and Richie Hogan can only run in 'flits and starts'.I rate Huw Lawlor very highly but again he ll have his hands full and your midfield is workmanlike and not anything else.
It will take a bug effort from Limerick but I do think theres a big effort coming and I can see Kiely having a plan of his own to counteract Cody's.
In the other semi..Tipperary will win because if you dont have a cut off Tipperary you'll lose. It's no good playing a containment game against them. They like being asked to pick locks. Wexford will be sticky but they ll fall behind and wont be able to come back.

Actually Hannon scored 5 from play off Hogan at centre forward that day.

Nickindublin · 20-07-2019 2:00pm

Grats wrote: »

Last year's meeting between Kilkenny and Limerick may have no real bearing on the upcoming match, nor indeed the league encounter. There's mention of all the saves Eoin Murphy brought off, a goalkeepers role, the foul on Donnelly etc but the one major factor last year was having to play three games in two weeks. Remember we had a very hot humid summer to contend with too.

And the amount of wides we hit.

BloodyBill · 20-07-2019 2:11pm

Nickindublin wrote: »

And the amount of wides we hit.

All true. The wides were a big factor..and they came at the worst times. Walter on form would have surely held up the ball better aswell. It was coming out if the forwards as fast as it was going in. Richie wasnt in the form he is now and the ref gave Limerick a few soft ones. The high tackle on Donnelly was s blatant foul and he actually had the whistle in his mouth but then inexplicably didn't blow. Colin was held well by Casey and again Colin is in much better form now,plus it was outside of Croker where Limerick had played Tipperary already. Kilkenny are a different beast in Dublin. Those are alot of factors that went against Kilkenny last year...
Limerick to win by 3 or 4 points.

Nickindublin · 20-07-2019 2:16pm

BloodyBill wrote: »

All true. The wides were a big factor..and they came at the worst times. Walter on form would have surely held up the ball better aswell. It was coming out if the forwards as fast as it was going in. Richie wasnt in the form he is now and the ref gave Limerick a few soft ones. The high tackle on Donnelly was s blatant foul and he actually had the whistle in his mouth but then inexplicably didn't blow. Colin was held well by Casey and again Colin is in much better form now,plus it was outside of Croker where Limerick had played Tipperary already. Kilkenny are a different beast in Dublin. Those are alot of factors that went against Kilkenny last year...
Limerick to win by 3 or 4 points.

Spot on. Limerick have improved a lot too. The confidence winning gives you cant measure.

allthedoyles · 20-07-2019 2:16pm

BloodyBill wrote: »

All true. The wides were a big factor..and they came at the worst times. Walter on form would have surely held up the ball better aswell. It was coming out if the forwards as fast as it was going in. Richie wasnt in the form he is now and the ref gave Limerick a few soft ones. The high tackle on Donnelly was s blatant foul and he actually had the whistle in his mouth but then inexplicably didn't blow. Colin was held well by Casey and again Colin is in much better form now,plus it was outside of Croker where Limerick had played Tipperary already. Kilkenny are a different beast in Dublin. Those are alot of factors that went against Kilkenny last year...
Limerick to win by 3 or 4 points.

Walter didn't play last year against Limerick . The KK team was :

Eoin Murphy;

Paul Murphy,
Padraig Walsh,
Paddy Deegan;

Joey Holden,
Cillian Buckley (c)
Robert Lennon;
Conor Fogarty (0-01),

James Maher (0-03);
Martin Keoghan,
Richie Hogan (1-03),

Pat Lyng;
Billy Ryan,
Colin Fennelly (0-02),
TJ Reid (0-07, 0-05f, 0-01’65).

Subs :
Liam Blanchfield (0-01) for Lyng (35),
Richie Leahy (0-04) for Keoghan (45),
John Donnelly (0-01) for Fennelly (62),
Ger Aylward for Ryan (72).

The_Ghost · 20-07-2019 5:58pm

I’ve said it before but think it should be said again as pundits and followers from other counties talk about it abit. TJ can score 0-0 from play and be the best player on the pitch and other days he could be quieter and score 0-4. Seen on Twitter before the cork game he sets up the most scoring chances in the country Weather it’s true or not I don’t know but I’d believe it and he is often fouled for 2 or 3 converted frees per game. He’s a different type of hurler to Horgan etc. heard adrian is ok too.

kilkennyboy · 20-07-2019 8:06pm

The_Ghost wrote: »

I’ve said it before but think it should be said again as pundits and followers from other counties talk about it abit. TJ can score 0-0 from play and be the best player on the pitch and other days he could be quieter and score 0-4. Seen on Twitter before the cork game he sets up the most scoring chances in the country Weather it’s true or not I don’t know but I’d believe it and he is often fouled for 2 or 3 converted frees per game. He’s a different type of hurler to Horgan etc. heard adrian is ok too.

Those things won't be spotted by everyone.you have to know what your looking for.its easy to say he didn't score and he was quite on paper.
Truth he never stops hunting and he has developed a real taste for goals
Probably the most complete hurler playing the game

savannahkat · 20-07-2019 9:02pm

The inter-play between Fennelly and Hogan, Mullen and Fennelly, Ryan and Sheehan was quite an improvement on what we have done all year We have a lot of work to do with the backs, however the overall delivery to the forwards though not perfect was also a big improvement. We still have time to work on things and we have to organize far better defensively. We are well capable of beating Limerick and no one knows that better than Cody but as always being capable and actually doing it are not quite the same.

dubcat51 · 20-07-2019 11:30pm

Richie hogan gives us something different.his vision cuteness and scoring ability makes our whole frontline more a threat.I hope he has trained ok since the cork game and look forward to next saturday.&#55357;&#56890;&#55357;&#56890;&#55357;&#56890;&#55357;&#56890;

kksaints · 21-07-2019 5:25pm

Draw in the Kilkenny Senior Football Championship Final. Mullinavat 1-7 Railyard 1-7.

dastardly00 · 21-07-2019 8:57pm

Well done to the senior camogie team for winning all four games in their group and getting straight through to the semi-final

Cornerback1 · 21-07-2019 9:32pm

dubcat51 wrote: »

Richie hogan gives us something different.his vision cuteness and scoring ability makes our whole frontline more a threat.I hope he has trained ok since the cork game and look forward to next saturday.��

True. Even his goal v Cork. He took the risk that the ball would break in behind and picked and went. A lof of other forwards would wait in front of the break but fortune favours the brave and he was rewarded for running on. Him and Colin Fennelly work together very well imo, especially as Colin is physically strongwhile Hogan is good on the loose ball. He knows where the goalposts are and can also drift along the line.

By the way, why does Colin Fennelly slip and slide so much?

dubcat51 · 21-07-2019 10:27pm

Well done to camogie yesterday and to u16s today who qualified for semi final v galway.

kilkennyboy · 21-07-2019 10:53pm

Cornerback1 wrote: »

True. Even his goal v Cork. He took the risk that the ball would break in behind and picked and went. A lof of other forwards would wait in front of the break but fortune favours the brave and he was rewarded for running on. Him and Colin Fennelly work together very well imo, especially as Colin is physically strongwhile Hogan is good on the loose ball. He knows where the goalposts are and can also drift along the line.

By the way, why does Colin Fennelly slip and slide so much?

Either he is wearing roller blades or he is usually carrying a fullback on his back.

blackcard · 21-07-2019 11:27pm

In last year's match against Limerick, Cody was roaring at Colin Fennelly to take on his man and go for goal. I think the plan will be the same next Saturday

dubcat51 · 22-07-2019 10:12am

Cody called him to the line last year in thurles and gave colin a dressing down in front of the stands.never saw cody do that
before.subs that day made a big difference,leabhy donnelly richie all made a difference.team picked that day was totally wrong.

Cornerback1 · 22-07-2019 11:33am

kilkennyboy wrote: »

Either he is wearing roller blades or he is usually carrying a fullback on his back.

Not all the time - he's always sliping and sliding. Does he wear the correct tyres?

Cornerback1 · 22-07-2019 11:34am

kilkennyboy wrote: »

Either he is wearing roller blades or he is usually carrying a fullback on his back.

Not all the time - he's always sliping and sliding. Does he wear the correct tyres?

greenspurs · 22-07-2019 12:42pm

Anyones kids been to Cul camps this year?

What was the verdict?
My 12 yr old was very dissapointed with it this year...

No drills, no Skills being shown or taught.
Teenage 'coaches' on their phones, while they play a match for 90 mins....
Playing the game "Chinese Whispers" ……

Not worth €80 !! :rolleyes:

JohnCougar · 22-07-2019 1:23pm

greenspurs wrote: »

Anyones kids been to Cul camps this year?

What was the verdict?
My 12 yr old was very dissapointed with it this year...

No drills, no Skills being shown or taught.
Teenage 'coaches' on their phones, while they play a match for 90 mins....
Playing the game "Chinese Whispers" ……

Not worth €80 !! :rolleyes:

I have to agree unfortunately. The group of 12 year olds were bored all week and not challenged at all. My lad did not enjoy it at all and that was the first time he came away from a camp saying that. Hopefully the Richie Hogan camp will be better.

JohnCougar · 22-07-2019 1:38pm

I think we will win Saturday night.

Murphy

Murphy Lawlor Holden

Fogarty Walsh Deegan

Buckley Browne

Hogan Reid Mullen

Donnelly Fennelly Walsh

JohnCougar · 22-07-2019 1:57pm

Since 1997 there have being 22 All Ireland Semi Finals.

We have played in 19 of those semi finals, winning 16 and losing 3 in 1997, 2001 and 2005.

We did not play in any semi in 2013, 2017 and 2018.

Hopefully we will win in 2019 and play Wexford in the Final.

kilkennyboy · 22-07-2019 2:33pm

greenspurs wrote: »

Anyones kids been to Cul camps this year?

What was the verdict?
My 12 yr old was very dissapointed with it this year...

No drills, no Skills being shown or taught.
Teenage 'coaches' on their phones, while they play a match for 90 mins....
Playing the game "Chinese Whispers" ……

Not worth €80 !! :rolleyes:

My kids normally do two cul camps every summer. They prefer it and so dose child minder. And second time discounted.
Anyway first one was excellent 3 or 4 of the senior panel and some of the camogie girls doing the coach.enjoyed no end .
Second one they were not as happy with.so I happened to be collecting them on the Friday and had heard them talking so I went down a bit earlier.
No one seem to be organising anything. Kids of doing their own thing.
Eventually a game was started about 25 on each side with teenagers sitting at the sideline on phones.no refereeing and just older boys doing what they wanted.being very rough and laughing at it .pj was floating around but not taking part

Village87 · 22-07-2019 3:39pm

In recent years a lot of county players have set up there own camps, Michael Rice Richie Hogan, Jonjo Farrell, Walter Walsh Cillian Buckley. By all accounts the standards are after dropping the last 4/5 years.

Justice for the individual · 22-07-2019 4:03pm

Cornerback1 wrote: »

True. Even his goal v Cork. He took the risk that the ball would break in behind and picked and went. A lof of other forwards would wait in front of the break but fortune favours the brave and he was rewarded for running on. Him and Colin Fennelly work together very well imo, especially as Colin is physically strongwhile Hogan is good on the loose ball. He knows where the goalposts are and can also drift along the line.

By the way, why does Colin Fennelly slip and slide so much?

The surface he plays on appears to be always icy and the 'ball' the other forwards pass to him is really a bar of soap? - or maybe because he is pulled and dragged and therefore gives the appearance of slipping and sliding.

Just joking - he's playing very well at the present - he just needs 1 or 2 guys running on his shoulder, and an intelligent player like Richie is the ideal guy to have playing alongside him as they both compliment each other as regards their style of play.

JohnCougar · 22-07-2019 4:15pm

Village87 wrote: »

In recent years a lot of county players have set up there own camps, Michael Rice Richie Hogan, Jonjo Farrell, Walter Walsh Cillian Buckley. By all accounts the standards are after dropping the last 4/5 years.

Richie Hogan & Michael Rices camps are excellent and alway have been.

Cillian Buckly and Wally Walsh had one camp and it was very good.

I dont know about John Jo Farrell.

Its the Cul Camps that are poor as they take in too many and cant cater for the numbers properly. Its all about money.

savannahkat · 22-07-2019 5:11pm

JohnCougar wrote: »

I think we will win Saturday night.

Murphy

Murphy Lawlor Holden

Fogarty Walsh Deegan

Buckley Browne

Hogan Reid Mullen

Donnelly Fennelly Walsh

That is a very Cody like selection the only thing is he will not leave Leahy out Also i would not be surprised to see Delaney starting with either Paul Murphy or Joey being most at risk. Leahy, Brown, Buckley, and Fogarty are all in contention for midfield selection. Getting this selection right for Limerick will be of paramount importance and I really do not know which is the correct pair to start,

kilkennyboy · 22-07-2019 5:36pm

Is Buckley right.i had heard he was in serious bother. Only then to see him start games. And be gone at half time. Probably the most athletic
Guy we have and you would give him every chance but is it fair on Browne or Delaney or Morrissey.

JohnCougar · 22-07-2019 5:38pm

kilkennyboy wrote: »

Is Buckley right.i had heard he was in serious bother. Only then to see him start games. And be gone at half time. Probably the most athletic
Guy we have and you would give him every chance but is it fair on Browne or Delaney or Morrissey.

Jason Cleere is getting the rawest of deals. Buckley is fine just trying to get his hurling wrists back again.

kilkennyboy · 22-07-2019 5:40pm

JohnCougar wrote: »

Jason Cleere is getting the rawest of deals. Buckley is fine just trying to get his hurling wrists back again.

He definitely didn't look right at half-time against cork

savannahkat · 22-07-2019 6:13pm

I forgot to add James Maher to the other four fighting for a midfield position and he is rightfully a front runner

blackcard · 22-07-2019 8:33pm

Bookies have Limerick as hot favourites, Kilkenny available at 15/8. Probably fair enough odds.

brookville · 22-07-2019 9:12pm

blackcard wrote: »

Bookies have Limerick as hot favourites, Kilkenny available at 15/8. Probably fair enough odds.

Limerick are rightly hot favourites they have answered all questions that were asked this year winning the league and munster final convincinly.They have a very good squad and subs that make a big difference.We will need things to really go right for us and maybe limerick to underperform and be cold after the long lay off.It will be intresting to see what way we set up tactically because it will be a war zone between the two 40s.I do believe we have being going better this year but no doubt linerick have stepped up another level and the physical condition of these lads is unreal.They have lost two matches already granted missing key players against tipp but they will have to be tuned in to beat kk and wont be complacent playing kk because kk in a semi final will be a tough test.
Cody has a dillema does he start wally or can buckley be fit enough?will we put padraig on gillane?or bring in delaney for hayes or leave joey at 6.will aylward get back into the panel.if we get our match ups right and game plan right id give us a right good chance to upset the odds but we cant give up the same chances we did the last day.It will be a great test for our lads anyway to see where we are and this will be another great learning curve.We'll have to keep it tight at the back and we might get a bit of joy down the spine of their defence.cian lynch can do some magical things aswell and will take minding.

dastardly00 · 23-07-2019 12:20am

JohnCougar wrote: »

Buckley is fine just trying to get his hurling wrists back again.

Why do you think he is fine? I think he is still struggling with his knee injury and he hasn't fully recovered from the operation.

Village87 · 23-07-2019 8:10am

JohnCougar wrote: »

Jason Cleere is getting the rawest of deals. Buckley is fine just trying to get his hurling wrists back again.

No way would i throw Jason Cleere in a tough match. Lacks a bit of aggression and pace for heat of the summer championship hurling. Needs to step up his performances next year in the league to get a run in championship

Pigeon Chaser · 23-07-2019 9:11am

Great tickets them.

Pogue eile · 23-07-2019 11:16am

brookville wrote: »

cian lynch can do some magical things aswell and will take minding.

Lynch has improved and matured massively, he is a kind of mirror image of this team, up to last year he was all fur coat and no nickers - wonderfully skilful and talented but no real final product.

Lynch's midfied partner is just as, if not more, affective and also needs minding.

kilkennyboy · 23-07-2019 11:38am

Pogue eile wrote: »

Lynch has improved and matured massively, he is a kind of mirror image of this team, up to last year he was all fur coat and no nickers - wonderfully skilful and talented but no real final product.

Lynch's midfied partner is just as, if not more, affective and also needs minding.

Wouldn't be buying into the hype around lynch .He has 2pts scored in the 4 matches he has played in Munster. Good talker probably secured him hurler of the year last year .I would have given it to hannon or hayes

JJs Left Hand · 23-07-2019 11:43am

Ah here

Lynch is class. One of my favourite hurlers to watch. His skill level is phenomenal. I'm not going to pretend I've seen loads of him this year due to clashes with Kilkenny games etc. but last year he was a joy to watch.

Pogue eile · 23-07-2019 11:44am

kilkennyboy wrote: »

Wouldn't be buying into the hype around lynch .He has 2pts scored in the 4 matches he has played in Munster. Good talker probably secured him hurler of the year last year .I would have given it to hannon or hayes

As I said that would have always been my perception of him as well, but I do think he is a far more complete hurler now, a proper team player and with an end product. I'd compare and contrast him to Austin Gleeson, Gleeson hasnt matured as a player at all but Lynch definitely has, Kiely has to take a lot of credit for that.

But as I alluded to earlier if you focus on Lynch you are in for a big shock as for me Willam O'Donoghue has had a better season and has the potential to do untold damage.

kilkennyboy · 23-07-2019 12:36pm

Gleason is a bit like Pogba.

blackcard · 23-07-2019 1:34pm

JJs Left Hand wrote: »

Ah here

Lynch is class. One of my favourite hurlers to watch. His skill level is phenomenal. I'm not going to pretend I've seen loads of him this year due to clashes with Kilkenny games etc. but last year he was a joy to watch.

Agree. It is not what he scores, it is the scores that he sets up and the players he finds in space. Has very good ball control too.

JohnCougar · 23-07-2019 1:46pm

Village87 wrote: »

No way would i throw Jason Cleere in a tough match. Lacks a bit of aggression and pace for heat of the summer championship hurling. Needs to step up his performances next year in the league to get a run in championship

He came on against Wexford and held Chin scoreless from play. Was that not the heat of summer championship hurling. By the way he is quicker than most of our defenders. If he got as many chances as others in the panel he would be on the team.

Nickindublin · 23-07-2019 2:08pm

I don't see many changes the next day. Cody will stick with tried and trusted especially at the back but he will want options from the bench like Walter the last day. All players fit to play one of Leahy Walter or Richie will start from the bench IMO. There is a strong case they should all start but i cant see it happening. The only other player i see losing out is Buckley. He just hasn't done anything this year yet. Hopefully he is going well in training as a fully 100% Buckley in that team could tip it our way.

blackcard · 23-07-2019 5:35pm

Should be a good U20 Munster Final between Cork and Tipp at 7.30p.m. this evening on TG4. We will be playing the loser in an AI semi final. Both looked good in their last outings

savannahkat · 23-07-2019 8:53pm

blackcard wrote: »

Should be a good U20 Munster Final between Cork and Tipp at 7.30p.m. this evening on TG4. We will be playing the loser in an AI semi final. Both looked good in their last outings

Tipp beat Cork with a goal in the last minute. Tipp just about deserved the win. Cork are very good and will take a fair effort from Kilkenny to beat them.

kilkennyboy · 23-07-2019 8:55pm

Fair game.you would think it was a knockout game.

Grats · 23-07-2019 8:56pm

savannahkat wrote: »

Tipp beat Cork with a goal in the last minute. Tipp just about deserved the win. Cork are very good and will take a fair effort from Kilkenny to beat them.

For what it's worth. Galway beat Cork in the 2017 Minor Final.

kk.man · 23-07-2019 9:34pm

kilkennyboy wrote: »

Wouldn't be buying into the hype around lynch .He has 2pts scored in the 4 matches he has played in Munster. Good talker probably secured him hurler of the year last year .I would have given it to hannon or hayes

My sentiments exactly!

mountgomery burns · 23-07-2019 10:35pm

Grats wrote: »

For what it's worth. Galway beat Cork in the 2017 Minor Final.

A lot can change in that time though, like Kilkenny beating Limerick in 2014 and being comfortably bet in the u21 final in 2017.

Not looking for a rise just first example that came to mind.

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