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Harvey Weinstein and #MeToo/sexual misconduct scandals

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    #602
    CatFromHue
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    pixelburp wrote: »
    Must be pretty red-faced of RLM to have had him over a couple of times.

    The more pertinent question is: how known are these abuses that people just look the other way? Weinstein is the obvious example, but Josh Trank (who worked with Landis on Chronicle) came out after this exposé to say Landis was banned from the set during the shooting of Chronicle; so either Trank is just currying favour in a "I always knew he was a bad egg" sorta way, or else Landis was abusive on that set, making Trank & co. passively complicit.

    If Trank saw some stuff he didn't like, then banned Landis, and never worked with him again then I can't see how he's complicit. He can't control what happens after their project ends.

    I watched this on youtube before about Weinstein and it's a bit scary as it makes an awful lot of people passively complicit. It's 19mins but a good watch.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tihITlPAn4


    TLDW
    Weinstein won people Oscars and awards so people were ok with ignoring his excesses as he might win them one


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    #603
    JP Liz V1
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    The man who alleges Kevin Spacey groped him in a Nantucket bar in 2016 has dropped his civil suit but criminal trial still going ahead

    https://variety.com/2019/biz/news/kevin-spacey-drop-civil-suit-1203260058/
    https://forumofgames.com/




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    #604
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    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    The man who alleges Kevin Spacey groped him in a Nantucket bar in 2016 has dropped his civil suit but criminal trial still going ahead

    https://variety.com/2019/biz/news/kevin-spacey-drop-civil-suit-1203260058/

    I think this case is a strange one. Apparently Spacey's team are looking to locate a phone that will provide a good defence for the case.

    https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2019/jul/08/kevin-spacey-accuser-cellphone-nantucket-alleged-groping

    I believe Spacey has made a lot of lads sit on the casting couch over the years (cough Colin Farrell cough cough) but a case like this may make him more bullet proof.


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    #605
    The Black Oil
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    This'll certainly be interesting, and difficult viewing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4U0mpZ9N8s

    Moderator: Television, Psychology and Dublin County North.

    CMod: Entertainment



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    #606
    Agent Coulson
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    This should be a ratings winner.

    Harvey Weinstein Rape Trial Coverage Headlines Court TV Rebirth.
    Harvey Weinstein’s rape trial in New York, which is slated for September, will headline gavel-to-gavel courtroom coverage on the reborn Court TV.

    The network, reactivating a TV brand that revolutionized trial coverage as much as ESPN did sports or CNN did news, relaunched in May as a multicast network operated by E.W. Scripps-owned Katz Broadcasting. During a panel session Saturday at TCA summer press tour, executives were challenged about their claims that Court TV will be “the only network” covering the Weinstein trial gavel-to-gavel.

    They conceded that they cannot legally broadcast live from inside the courtroom at New York Supreme Court in Manhattan, which will be the site of a full-on media circus. But Court TV’s unique DNA, they maintained, will create a unique experience for viewers amid the scrum.

    https://deadline.com/2019/07/harvey-weinstein-rape-trial-coverage-headlines-court-tv-rebirth-strategy-tca-1202655710/


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    #607
    p to the e
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    Good old American Capitalism at its finest. And is it just me or is calling the documentary "Untouchable" a bit insensitive.


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    #608
    santana75
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    p to the e wrote: »
    I believe Spacey has made a lot of lads sit on the casting couch over the years (cough Colin Farrell cough cough) but a case like this may make him more bullet proof.

    Really? Maybe Im naive and not well informed but I never heard anything like that. I suppose anything is possible though


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    #609
    Agent Coulson
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    The Black Oil wrote: »
    This'll certainly be interesting, and difficult viewing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4U0mpZ9N8s

    The Doc drew 1 million viewers on BBC 2 on Sunday night while up against Peaky Blinders on BBC1 & The Handmaidens Tale on Channel 4 so that pretty impressive numbers.

    It's a tough watch at times.


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    #610
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    The saga continues...

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/feb/24/harvey-weinstein-guilty-trial-charges-verdict

    This article links some of the complexities involved in the case.

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/feb/24/harvey-weinstein-trial-metoo-movement


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    #611
    pixelburp
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    So Weinstein has been sentenced to 23 years in prison for two counts of sexual assault (3rd and 1st degree). No idea if there's an appeals stage, how or if Weinstein has much chance in reducing that figure. I also wonder if he's still liable for civil cases, or indeed any other criminal charges.


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    #612
    El Duda
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    He'll be a gonner within a year or 2.

    Fantastic news for women everywhere.


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    #613
    Caquas
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    I wonder would Weinstein even be charged in Ireland? At the start of MeToo, there was much talk that we would see many powerful Irish predators brought to justice. So far, nothing.

    Even if someone was convicted of the same offences here, I doubt he would have serve more than three years (i.e. max sentence 10 years with at least three suspended, out in four, early release in 3).

    Our Court of Appeal has just confirmed a sentence of 11 years in this egregious case of defilement - two 14 year old girls. He got one pregnant after removing her contraceptive with a Stanley knife (!). He got them both hooked on heroin.

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/evil-manipulative-sex-abuser-who-also-introduced-girls-half-his-age-to-heroin-avoids-hike-in-very-lenient-sentence-987267.html


    The lenient sentence was not because the trial judge misunderstood the evil perpetator in this case.
    He said the trial judge’s description of Vickers as “manipulative, controlling, violent, narcissistic, and involving pure evil activity” was a “very apt one indeed”.

    Nor was it due to important mitigating factors
    The chief difficulty presented in the case was the discount afforded for the mitigating factors, the only significant mitigation being Vickers’ guilty plea. While not without value, Mr Justice Birmingham said Vickers’ plea was not an early one, and was entered against a background of overwhelming evidence".

    There is no way to reconcile our courts' sentencing policy with that in the Weinstein case. If you think justice was done in the Weinstein case, you must be outraged on a daily basis by the leniency our courts show to criminals of all sorts, including violent offenders and sexual predators. Our media will hail the Weinstein verdict but ignore the obvious disparity except, in some cases, to call for tougher sentencing for sexual assualt.

    During the recent election, did you hear any politician talk about sentencing policy or the provision of additional prison places?


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    #614
    str8talkingguy
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    Caquas wrote: »
    I wonder would Weinstein even be charged in Ireland? At the start of MeToo, there was much talk that we would see many powerful Irish predators brought to justice. So far, nothing.

    Even if someone was convicted of the same offences here, I doubt he would have serve more than three years (i.e. max sentence 10 years with at least three suspended, out in four, early release in 3).

    Our Court of Appeal has just confirmed a sentence of 11 years in this egregious case of defilement - two 14 year old girls. He got one pregnant after removing her contraceptive with a Stanley knife (!). He got them both hooked on heroin.

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/evil-manipulative-sex-abuser-who-also-introduced-girls-half-his-age-to-heroin-avoids-hike-in-very-lenient-sentence-987267.html


    The lenient sentence was not because the trial judge misunderstood the evil perpetator in this case.



    Nor was it due to important mitigating factors



    There is no way to reconcile our courts' sentencing policy with that in the Weinstein case. If you think justice was done in the Weinstein case, you must be outraged on a daily basis by the leniency our courts show to criminals of all sorts, including violent offenders and sexual predators. Our media will hail the Weinstein verdict but ignore the obvious disparity except, in some cases, to call for tougher sentencing for sexual assualt.

    During the recent election, did you hear any politician talk about sentencing policy or the provision of additional prison places?

    Its the difference between private and public jail systems,here it costs money to jail people,in the States it make makes money to jail people.


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    #615
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    pixelburp wrote: »
    So Weinstein has been sentenced to 23 years in prison for two counts of sexual assault (3rd and 1st degree). No idea if there's an appeals stage, how or if Weinstein has much chance in reducing that figure. I also wonder if he's still liable for civil cases, or indeed any other criminal charges.

    Apparently he's still facing charges in LA. He'll definitely appeal on the grounds of trial by media or something like that. I ain't no fancy pants lawyer.


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    #616
    Hangdogroad
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    Ron Jeremy charged with several counts of rape. Don't know if these related to his porn film career as the alleged offenses are fairly recent.


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    #617
    JP Liz V1
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    Ansel Elgort has denied claims he sexually assaulted a 17-year-old girl in New York in 2014.

    The US actor was accused by a Twitter user identifying herself as Gabby, on Friday, in a now-deleted post labelled "my story with Ansel Elgort".

    The Baby Driver star responded online saying: "I cannot claim to understand Gabby's feelings but her description of events is simply not what happened."

    He says they had "a brief, legal and entirely consensual relationship."

    The actor, who was 20 years old at the time, went on to apologise for the way it ended, admitting that he just "stopped responding to her" and "disappeared".

    https://news.yahoo.com/ansel-elgort-denies-sexual-assault-103156303.html
    https://forumofgames.com/




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    #618
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    "A US bankruptcy judge has agreed a $17m (£12.4m) payout to women who accused disgraced film producer Harvey Weinstein of sexual misconduct."

    I wonder will this even make a dent in his finances.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55791641

    Also Asia has a book to sell. She has done more harm to the #MeToo movement by her involvement in it in my opinion.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-55794610


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    #619
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    Will Armie Hammer's career survive the allegations?

    https://www.thecut.com/2021/01/paige-lorenze-speaks-out-about-armie-hammer-allegations.html


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    #620
    EltonJohn69
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    p to the e wrote: »
    "A US bankruptcy judge has agreed a $17m (£12.4m) payout to women who accused disgraced film producer Harvey Weinstein of sexual misconduct."

    I wonder will this even make a dent in his finances.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55791641

    Also Asia has a book to sell. She has done more harm to the #MeToo movement by her involvement in it in my opinion.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-55794610

    I don’t think he is getting out of jail/ his money is of little use


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    #621
    Agent Coulson
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    David Boreanaz & Amy Acker have both come out in support of Charisma Carpenter joining most of the other Buffyverse cast.

    Edit, As does Eliza Dushku

    https://www.instagram.com/p/CLLQW6cJ2gF/


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    #622
    Brief_Lives
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    WHat did Boreanaz say? i have the internet police here... can´t access instagram....


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    #623
    Hande hoche!
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    Not surprised by joss Whedon.


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    #624
    Potatoeman
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    Cas Anwar from the expanse was dropped from the show. Apparently he’s accused of grooming underage girls.


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    #625
    S.M.B.
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    Brief_Lives wrote: »
    WHat did Boreanaz say? i have the internet police here... can´t access instagram....
    Similar to most Buffyverse alumni in offering his support to Charisma and that he's proud of her for speaking out. Feels like Michelle Trachtenberg's response was the only one that goes a bit beyond showing support from what I saw.


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    #626
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    Until any details come out saying otherwise my feeling is that Whedon was just a major asshole. And who hasn't worked for an asshole in their life? And to be a director spinning many plates you have to be a bit of an asshole.

    See, there are three kinds of people: dicks, pussies and assholes. Pussies think everyone can get along and dicks just want to fúck all the time without thinking it through. But then you got your assholes. And all the assholes want is to shít all over everything. So pussies may get mad at dicks once in a while because, pussies get fúcked by dicks. But dicks also fúck assholes! And if they didn't fúck the assholes, you know what you'd get? You'd get your dick and your pussy all covered in shít


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    #627
    pixelburp
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    p to the e wrote: »
    Until any details come out saying otherwise my feeling is that Whedon was just a major asshole. And who hasn't worked for an asshole in their life? And to be a director spinning many plates you have to be a bit of an asshole.
    [...]

    I don't agree with that, and it's too easy to just sniff that the "auteur" is an accepted, necessary part of a Hollywood workplace. That to create great work you need to be some colossal tyrant, making people's life a misery for the purposes of art? Naw. At the end of the day, it's just another workplace, and a working set should be a collaborative environment of different talents, crafts and people - why would hostility and viciousness be part of that? There are dozens - hundreds? - of directors whose sets don't require or emphasise power structures. We don't think of them because there they are, spinning plates as you say, without the need to "just" be an ásshole.

    I don't deny that as industries go, filmmaking is probably more stressful than most, given the pressures of time, budget, location etc. etc. That a bastard is needed at the top is a myth of old Hollywood IMO; it's debatably acceptable as a Stanley Kubrick or James Cameron, with the thin justification that at least they created great work at the end of it. Reading about Shelley Duvall losing hair because of Kubrick makes for a fascinating story, but was it all worth it?

    Joss Whedon is a hack director whose work looks like TV movies. Everyone else is under stress on the set, him SteveJobs'ing around the place isn't needed if he knew how to manage people right.


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    #628
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    pixelburp wrote: »
    I don't agree with that, and it's too easy to just sniff that the "auteur" is an accepted, necessary part of a Hollywood workplace. That to create great work you need to be some colossal tyrant, making people's life a misery for the purposes of art? Naw. At the end of the day, it's just another workplace, and a working set should be a collaborative environment of different talents, crafts and people - why would hostility and viciousness be part of that? There are dozens - hundreds? - of directors whose sets don't require or emphasise power structures. We don't think of them because there they are, spinning plates as you say, without the need to "just" be an ásshole.

    I don't deny that as industries go, filmmaking is probably more stressful than most, given the pressures of time, budget, location etc. etc. That a bastard is needed at the top is a myth of old Hollywood IMO; it's debatably acceptable as a Stanley Kubrick or James Cameron, with the thin justification that at least they created great work at the end of it. Reading about Shelley Duvall losing hair because of Kubrick makes for a fascinating story, but was it all worth it?

    Joss Whedon is a hack director whose work looks like TV movies. Everyone else is under stress on the set, him SteveJobs'ing around the place isn't needed if he knew how to manage people right.

    That's fair. Enough directors have made films of the same scale without any controversy but my point still stands that until more details appear he may just have been an asshole. I've worked for several "toxic" assholes over the years and never had the urge to out them. Maybe that's on me. Unless there was something sinister to Whedon's working environment then I don't think this will change much.


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    #629
    Hannibal_Smith
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    Wow. Just read Carpenter's post. I can't believe that about Joss Whedon.


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    #630
    Tony EH
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    p to the e wrote: »
    Until any details come out saying otherwise my feeling is that Whedon was just a major asshole.

    I haven't read everything to do with this Whedon business, but this would be my take on it too. Although, I will say, I have never been a fan of his, irrespective of his assholery. I absolutely hated Buffy and loathed the smart arse dialogue is put into everything. Whedon is one of those figures from the 90's that's responsible for all of this "meta" quippy dialogue shite that litters everything today. The only thing I can give him a pass on would be 'Firefly'.

    But as to him being an asshole (at times), he's in a LOT of company in "Hollywood" circles. Especially in the director club, where being an asshole can almost be a requirement of the job. Look at most of the famous directors from yesteryear, who created the classics of the 60's, 70's and 80's. A lot of them would be the topic of many a Twitterati "he said/she said" tweet today if they were still working.

    Not that I would put Whedon in the bracket as the greats from the past mind you. he wouldn't even come close. But he also isn't in the same bracket as the likes of Harvey Weistein either, whose misconduct is a whole different kettle of fish.


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    #631
    pixelburp
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    p to the e wrote: »
    That's fair. Enough directors have made films of the same scale without any controversy but my point still stands that until more details appear he may just have been an asshole. I've worked for several "toxic" assholes over the years and never had the urge to out them. Maybe that's on me. Unless there was something sinister to Whedon's working environment then I don't think this will change much.

    Kind of? The only reason "toxic" management persists, is 'cos it's allowed to persist, especially in fields where oh, that's just how it's always done. Now, arguably actors have an avenue for grievance most of us worker drones don't - social media or a canny agent - so it's easier for them to agitate from a safe distance. I've read of enough cases where folks have gone to HR or whatnot to flag abuses, only for it to backfire spectacularly, so it's easier said than done to combat shítty management. Going double if in general, one's not especially confrontational by nature. But where possible, we should all do so 'cos like I said, cracking the whip is a bullshít way to lead a team of any stripe :)


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