Harvey Weinstein and #MeToo/sexual misconduct scandals

Sad Professor

Pelvis wrote: »

You're a bit puzzled by the fall from grace of someone accused of multiple sexual assaults and being sexually inappropriately with a minor? And you question, for absolutely no reason, if he was aware of Rapp's age? He had been working with Rapp in a play for christ sake.

This is Rapp, on the left, at around 16.



Can you imagine what he looked like at 14 and still seriously question Spacey's fall from grace??

Not disputing your point but that film came out summer ‘87 so Rapp is at most 15 in that picture, possibly recently turned depending when it was shot. In any case, there are pictures of him from around the time it happened.

S.M.B.

Adventures in Babysitting. What a movie!

Tony EH

Pelvis wrote: »

You're a bit puzzled by the fall from grace of someone accused of multiple sexual assaults and being sexually inappropriately with a minor? And you question, for absolutely no reason, if he was aware of Rapp's age? He had been working with Rapp in a play for christ sake.

This is Rapp, on the left, at around 16.



Can you imagine what he looked like at 14 and still seriously question Spacey's fall from grace??

That's perhaps fair enough. Still, is there any evidence that Spacey knew Rapp's age? Maybe he told him and Spacey backed off? Perhaps he genuinely believed that he was older due to the fact that he was present at a adults only party.

In addition, look at Elizabeth Shue there. She could pass for someone under 18 and she was in her mid 20's.

Although, I do find it odd that Spacey's remained very silent on the matter. Perhaps his legal team is telling to keep scthum til it blows over.

BTW, I'm not trying defend Spacey here. Personally, I couldn't give a fuck TBF.

But, in comparison to what Weinstein and Polansky got up to...

Louis C.K has pulled the premiere of his new film and cancelled chat show appearances over a New York Times article that is to be published in case it contains "damaging information".

S.M.B.

Here's the article

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/09/arts/television/louis-ck-sexual-misconduct.html

johnny_ultimate

Here's the article: Louis C.K. Crossed a Line Into Sexual Misconduct, 5 Women Say
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/09/arts/television/louis-ck-sexual-misconduct.html

Sadly, this one isn't a surprise. Very public rumours for a long time, particularly after a Gawker piece a few years ago. And as a fan of his work, frankly there's no shortage of possible hints about his allegedly 'out there' sexual preferences.

Still greatly encouraging to see brave people going on the record - startling to see the change in tone over those conversations and articles compared to a month ago. I was a bit dubious about how much of a change the Weinstein case would bring, but really has changed the way people are approaching these issues and stories.

Agent Coulson

Louis C.K. stuff has been in the air for a while as well.

Agent Coulson

You would hope this will be a watershed moment.



But I highly doubt it myself when people hold the power to give fame and fortune to others who crave that fame and fortune it will always be there in one form or another.

pixelburp

Agent Coulson wrote: »

You would hope this will be a watershed moment.



But I highly doubt it myself when people hold the power to give fame and fortune to others who crave that fame and fortune it will always be there in one form or another.

It'll take arrests, legal cases and jail time before the culture genuinely change - no more than any other corrupt, powerful institution, be it Hollywood, politics, banking, etc. All the blacklisting looks good for headlines but it amounts to little actual consequence. And sure look, Weinstein, arguably the most evidently guilty one so far, feels like yesterday's news with Spacey now public enemy number 1. One court case needs to stick.

Tony EH

S.M.B. wrote: »

Here's the article

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/09/arts/television/louis-ck-sexual-misconduct.html

Can't say I'm too surprised there. Isn't his act all about him being a bit of a weirdo?

Maybe his anecdotes are all true.

:pac:

S.M.B.

Not sure if it's my fondness for Louis CK that's clouding my judgement but that also feels nowhere near as extreme as the Weinstein allegations. Definitely some work place sexual misconduct going on and maybe his status made it impossible to dismiss him but it doesn't sound like a massive abuse of power. I get the sense that he's just got this perverse fetish and his celebrity and power simply enabled it more than it would have otherwise.

ps3lover

I'm kind of surprised Steven Seagal hasn't been called out on anything.
https://youtu.be/tsvoMGGUrMU

S.M.B.

Did Portia de Rossi not do so today? I thought she wasn't the first to do so either.

Edit : Julianna Maguires recently did too

Outlaw Pete

Sad Professor wrote: »

Not disputing your point but that film came out summer ‘87 so Rapp is at most 15 in that picture, possibly recently turned depending when it was shot. In any case, there are pictures of him from around the time it happened.

Spot on.

Tony EH

S.M.B. wrote: »

Not sure if it's my fondness for Louis CK that's clouding my judgement but that also feels nowhere near as extreme as the Weinstein allegations. Definitely some work place sexual misconduct going on and maybe his status made it impossible to dismiss him but it doesn't sound like a massive abuse of power. I get the sense that he's just got this perverse fetish and his celebrity and power simply enabled it more than it would have otherwise.

It just sounds a bit sad more than anything else. He has an "issue".

TBH, a lot of these accusations are being dragged up by papers, because Weinstein skipped town.

Mickeroo

Sounds like CK apologised to quite a lot of the women a while ago and all the allegations are from ages ago so maybe he sorted himself out? Not that it excuses his actions but his case is definitely one that seems more pathetic than malicious to me.

Sad Professor

Interesting how this C.K. expose was perfectly synchronised with the release of his new film. Expect a week's worth of stories now detailing the gory aftermath as the studio dumps the film, press tours are cancelled, etc. This is why Scott has to reshoot Spacey's scenes.

homerun_homer

Tony EH wrote: »

That's perhaps fair enough. Still, is there any evidence that Spacey knew Rapp's age? Maybe he told him and Spacey backed off? Perhaps he genuinely believed that he was older due to the fact that he was present at a adults only party.

In addition, look at Elizabeth Shue there. She could pass for someone under 18 and she was in her mid 20's.

Although, I do find it odd that Spacey's remained very silent on the matter. Perhaps his legal team is telling to keep scthum til it blows over.

BTW, I'm not trying defend Spacey here. Personally, I couldn't give a fuck TBF.

But, in comparison to what Weinstein and Polansky got up to...

Judging from your posts it sounds like you clearly haven't read Rapp's full interview about it. He says he was very obviously 14 or younger looking. Also, him and Spacey were not working on the same play together. Rapp was working with Ed Harris. Spacey was just someone he met from the theatre acting scene. Spacey invited him to the party, not a case of bumping into him at the party. Rapp thought it was just going to be a case of hanging out with other actors and when he arrived realised he was the only young person (of his age range) there. He got bored because it was full of adults and went to a bedroom to watch TV.

It's not a case of "in comparison to Polanski and Weinstein". While those guys may be in a different league, what is the point with Spacey's career taking a nose dive off a cliff due to Rapp's interview is that it is widely known in the industry what Spacey is like and how forceful he is on people, even those who turn him down. So from him coming out and saying it in public, it naturally leads to more people opening up publicly about their experiences with Spacey.

Agent Coulson

A former female writer on Mad Men is now accusing Mad Men creator Matthew Weiner of sexual harassment.

Agent Coulson

Agent Coulson wrote: »

A former female writer on Mad Men is now accusing Mad Men creator Matthew Weiner of sexual harassment.

That is such a nothing story and an example of how the smallest of things can get swept up in this. He has denied it and even if it is true, it reads to me more like a bad joke than anything else. In fact, from the episodes of Mad Men I have seen it feels very much like a Don Draper line

She said it was one comment and she wasn't let go for another year but feels that she was let go because she didn't get naked a year before. She is not raising money for her charity which will prepare people to have a come back when faced with incidents such as hers.

Sad Professor

Another old story that's been dug up and re-framed for the #metoo era. It had a somewhat different slant the first time it came up. Weiner is apparently an a**hole but this is getting silly.

Tony EH

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I'm sure all of these people coming out of the woodwork are doing it for purly altruistic reasons too and not asking for a cent from the media for their stories.

Thing is, why we haven't seen more stories on the same level as the Weinstein case. I cannot believe that his was the only case that was like that. I'd say there are plenty more "Weinstein's" knocking around that town.

HandsomeBob

Tony EH wrote: »

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I'm sure all of these people coming out of the woodwork are doing it for purly altruistic reasons too and not asking for a cent from the media for their stories.

Thing is, why we haven't seen more stories on the same level as the Weinstein case. I cannot believe that his was the only case that was like that. I'd say there are plenty more "Weinstein's" knocking around that town.

Feed the vultures a consistent level of sh1t and they won't notice, or care for that matter, about the bigger, rotting, carcas of sh1t off in the distance.

johnny_ultimate

CK's confession and apology, which if nothing else is a lot more remorseful, honest and substantial than we've seen from anyone else over the last month.

https://twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/929051427548422144

brooke 2

Tony EH wrote: »

Can't say I'm too surprised there. Isn't his act all about him being a bit of a weirdo?

Maybe his anecdotes are all true.

:pac:

The more you read about him, the more it is likely that the anecdotes are most definitely true.

MrStuffins

CK's apology is an improvement on the others, but for some reason the fact that he kept using the word "dick" made it seem.........strange!

johnny_ultimate

johnny_ultimate wrote:

CK's confession and apology, which if nothing else is a lot more remorseful, honest and substantial than we've seen from anyone else over the last month.

Be more so if he didn't repeatedly say how admired he was. Still it's better than most though the fact that he didn't apologise 5 years ago when it first came out and then denied it calling them nothing but rumours says more than his apology.

brooke 2

Sad Professor wrote: »

Interesting how this C.K. expose was perfectly synchronised with the release of his new film. Expect a week's worth of stories now detailing the gory aftermath as the studio dumps the film, press tours are cancelled, etc. This is why Scott has to reshoot Spacey's scenes.

I thought he made it privately. Not too many people knew he was making it, apparently. He was hoping to get a distributor after the first showing. Very
disturbing film, I believe. Many who had seen it found it repulsive.

HandsomeBob

Assuming nothing in the immediate memory comes out about Louis I can take his statement at face value. Two of the women in question mentioned receiving messages from him displaying remorse a couple of years ago so at least he had the decency eventually to realise what he did was shameful.

brooke 2

Agent Coulson wrote: »

A former female writer on Mad Men is now accusing Mad Men creator Matthew Weiner of sexual harassment.

Well, there's a surprise! :rolleyes: