Irish Deer Society "member" convicted of dumping deer carcasses.

Sparks · 15-06-2009 3:16pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Sparks, you missed the point there.I was commenting on Deerhunter2's comment about how the press shouldnt comment on anything before the courts or under investigation.The idea that all should be kept in secrecy from the public until a guilty or innocent verdict is pronounced is not right,or compareable with the judical process in a democracy.

But neither is the idea that editorial comment in a national newspaper on a sub judice case should be allowed - remember what happened when someone let Harney comment on CJ Haughey's case while it was sub judice?
There's a line between reporting and editorialising. One's factual, one isn't; and while the former is an important mechanism for a functioning society, the latter is poisonous.

kakashka · 15-06-2009 7:07pm

Deerhunter2 wrote: »

well naturally ye hate npws and all that work for them, ye look on them as if they were the landlords of old, they might tell ye what to do or stop ye from yer form of huntin, be that drive by or lampin or huntin without permission, ye love foreign hunters as long as they don't step foot in ireland and try shoot yer game, yes jealous!!! i've seen it all too many times too:rolleyes:

fair enough they may not be able to sack him if he's guilty but they would issue a formal warnin, but i suppose that wouldnt but good enough for the blood thirsty here, they would have all procedure thrown out the window and have him sacked without question or due proces or public floggin, oh sorry ye have done that already:mad:

I have friends in NPWS and know a lot of NPWS staff,several Rangers, who are absolute profesionals and love the NPW and it's these ppl who suffer most from the actions of a few rogues.

Drive by,lamping,poaching...oh please

Jealous of foreign hunters..shoot with several every season(my terrain),nothing ever exchanged except occasional bed for a night

Flogged..i doubt Boards will have much influence TBH

You've seen it all before have you.. i believe thats called tunnel vision

Not sure why i bothered to explain myself to you but there you go...

It wasn't me! · 15-06-2009 7:51pm

It's a bit mental to see the absolute vitriol spat at those who'll accept money in return for taking people shooting. Do you reserve the same hatred for those abroad like Artemis in Croatia or any of the multitude of sporting agencies in Europe, the UK and Africa? If not, why not? If someone is forced to pay for exclusive sporting rights on some land, and takes others shooting to recoup that cost, then I don't see any problem with that. The individual is forced to pay for exclusive rights simply because the vast majority don't practise good management. If they did, there wouldn't be a place in the country which wasn't brimming over with quality stags and healthy herds of the right number. That very fact is the reason people are forced to accept money for sport in order to support their own shooting. I don't have a problem with it. I don't have a problem with enlisting sporting agencies to hunt abroad, and would happily do it here too. To all those who display their hatred here, account for yourselves: would you ever enlist the help of an agency to hunt abroad? Do you reserve the same contempt for them as for Irish ones?

bunny shooter · 15-06-2009 8:52pm

In my area there is a certain hotel that approached local farmers to get the shooting rights over crops. They bring in tourists to shoot over said crops. The tourists stay in the hotel. The local lads who were shooting over these crops for years were told their services were no longer required unless they agreed to pay more than the hotel owner was :mad:

These tourist shooters do not abide by game seasons or the Wildlife Act their strategy seems to be "if it flies it dies" :mad: :mad:

Therefore in this case I disagree because the local lads have been pushed out.

These "sporting agents" for want of a better description lease shooting rights and sell them on at considerable profit to "tourists" too. The prices they are willing to pay for the sporting rights are usually well beyond what any of the locals can pay.

Therefore in this case I disagree because the local lads have been pushed out.

Get my drift yet?

Deerhunter2 · 15-06-2009 9:19pm

thedragon wrote: »

Ive been Deer hunting for almost 25 years and I wouldnt have anything to do with them.They move into areas where people like myself have been shooting for years and start organising meetings with farmers and organising how things should be done in future,all that sort of s***e,never giving any bit of respect for the guy that may have been shooting there all his life.There never happy with a bit of shooting,they have to try and round tie up as much property as they can,then visit each spot once a year. Before ya know it deer populations are rampant and nobody can do anything about it cos these IDS **** will create a big fuss if anyone else intervenes.

agree 100%, they claim to represent us all, less than 1 in 10 deerhunter are members of the IDS and it's a few at the top that run the clic with the support of wannbe deerhunters.

kakashka wrote: »

I have friends in NPWS and know a lot of NPWS staff,several Rangers, who are absolute profesionals and love the NPW and it's these ppl who suffer most from the actions of a few rogues.

i'm sure they will disown those that are proven rogues but i doubt they are happy with the way their collegues are targeted by poachers they have made enemies of. government empolyees are prime targets for smear campaigns and damaging accusations, they can't defend themselves because they are forbidden to speak publicly or to the press, and the civil service press office are there to protect ministers not civil servants. from what i hear if a ranger isn't under investigation and having accusations made against him hes not doing his job.

Drive by,lamping,poaching...oh please

to a lot of lads that shoot deer that is deer hunting, and these include high ranking IDS men too.

Jealous of foreign hunters..shoot with several every season(my terrain),nothing ever exchanged except occasional bed for a night

how would you feel about a ranger doing the same as you on his own private ground?

Flogged..i doubt Boards will have much influence TBH

you'd be surprised how many people read this and how highly rated it is with google, do a search of mark byrne ranger.

You've seen it all before have you.. i believe thats called tunnel vision

is this an attempt to provoke or irritate me? of course your right:rolleyes:

It wasn't me! wrote: »

It's a bit mental to see the absolute vitriol spat at those who'll accept money in return for taking people shooting. Do you reserve the same hatred for those abroad like Artemis in Croatia or any of the multitude of sporting agencies in Europe, the UK and Africa? If not, why not? If someone is forced to pay for exclusive sporting rights on some land, and takes others shooting to recoup that cost, then I don't see any problem with that. The individual is forced to pay for exclusive rights simply because the vast majority don't practise good management. If they did, there wouldn't be a place in the country which wasn't brimming over with quality stags and healthy herds of the right number. That very fact is the reason people are forced to accept money for sport in order to support their own shooting. I don't have a problem with it. I don't have a problem with enlisting sporting agencies to hunt abroad, and would happily do it here too. To all those who display their hatred here, account for yourselves: would you ever enlist the help of an agency to hunt abroad? Do you reserve the same contempt for them as for Irish ones?

well said, we are a relatively new to sport hunting, we don't have the traditions of the rest of europe thanks to the brits claiming all our game for 800years, the poacher is still engrained as the likeable rougue. when we got rid of the brits people hunted where ever they wanted and what ever they wanted up until the wildlife act in 1976 and the recruitment of rangers soon after. we have a long ways to go to catch up with the rest of the hunting world

bunny shooter · 15-06-2009 10:16pm

And it's only now certain people are realising they can make money from our game species and sod the locals who shoot a bit of game for the table. If this is catching up with the rest of Europe then I reckon we will be the worse for the progress

BryanL · 15-06-2009 10:40pm

I can't see how creating a situation where, any one who wants to hunt in Ireland has to pay, is progress.
The IDS are all about creating a situation where they control all the rights to hunt deer within and area.
Bryan

Royalred · 16-06-2009 12:54am

I've read with intrest the comments on the deer carcass dumping issue. All the comments were valid if the details of the conviction were true. That conviction is I belive, under appeal. I can say with certainty that there was no offal or headless carcasses dumped. The site was not near a water course. What was dumped for one night was two deer skins and bones from which the meat had been removed. The wardens photos from the site in question will prove this. I am not condoning the dumping even though Mr. Wood rectified it by retrieving the material. In certian EU countries it is illegal to remove the grallough (internal organs) from the field after a deer has been culled. It is considered a biogradable by-product of hunting and one that is used by other birds and animals for sustenance. Mr. Wood is one of the few committed humane wild deer managers who has for years, given his time, knowledge and experience freely to those who wish to manage deer properly. The proof of this is in the quality and health of the red deer herd that now exist in that part of Galway.

Royalred

Deerhunter2 · 16-06-2009 1:28am

Royalred wrote: »

I've read with intrest the comments on the deer carcass dumping issue. All the comments were valid if the details of the conviction were true. That conviction is I belive, under appeal. I can say with certainty that there was no offal or headless carcasses dumped. The site was not near a water course. What was dumped for one night was two deer skins and bones from which the meat had been removed. The wardens photos from the site in question will prove this. I am not condoning the dumping even though Mr. Wood rectified it by retrieving the material. In certian EU countries it is illegal to remove the grallough (internal organs) from the field after a deer has been culled. It is considered a biogradable by-product of hunting and one that is used by other birds and animals for sustenance. Mr. Wood is one of the few committed humane wild deer managers who has for years, given his time, knowledge and experience freely to those who wish to manage deer properly. The proof of this is in the quality and health of the red deer herd that now exist in that part of Galway.

Royalred

welcome to boards paul, ya big liar:D

kakashka · 16-06-2009 1:41am

Deerhunter2 wrote: »

is this an attempt to provoke or irritate me? of course your right:rolleyes:

i believe you started the provocation,basically my point was that your assumptions that everyone here is anti Ranger,pro poacher,poacher etc was BULL..

kakashka · 16-06-2009 1:46am

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Yes welcome aboard

thedragon · 16-06-2009 1:50am

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Nice one Deerhunter2,ya bet me to it,I was going to let him go a bit longer and then pull the rug.

I think Paul its time to call it a day,youve dug a big enough hole for yourself already dont keep digging mate take your defeat.You got what was coming to ya.It looks like theres a lot more stories waiting to come out about you too,judging by Deerhunter2s last post.I wouldnt provoke it if I were you.

Deerhunter2 · 16-06-2009 2:17am

kakashka wrote: »

i believe you started the provocation,basically my point was that your assumptions that everyone here is anti Ranger,pro poacher,poacher etc was BULL..

fair enough then, we're on the same side then, just difference of opinion?;)

bunny shooter · 16-06-2009 2:25am

Royalred wrote: »

I've read with intrest the comments on the deer carcass dumping issue. All the comments were valid if the details of the conviction were true. That conviction is I belive, under appeal. I can say with certainty that there was no offal or headless carcasses dumped. The site was not near a water course. What was dumped for one night was two deer skins and bones from which the meat had been removed. The wardens photos from the site in question will prove this. I am not condoning the dumping even though Mr. Wood rectified it by retrieving the material. In certian EU countries it is illegal to remove the grallough (internal organs) from the field after a deer has been culled. It is considered a biogradable by-product of hunting and one that is used by other birds and animals for sustenance. Mr. Wood is one of the few committed humane wild deer managers who has for years, given his time, knowledge and experience freely to those who wish to manage deer properly. The proof of this is in the quality and health of the red deer herd that now exist in that part of Galway.

Royalred

Come on

Who ya trying to fool

Royalred · 16-06-2009 3:45am

Kramer wrote: »

6 month suspended prison sentence & €2k fine.

http://www.galwayindependent.com/local-news/local-news/deer-hunter-fined-for-dumping-carcasses-in-wood-/

Mr. Paul Wood - listed as Chairman of the Connaught branch:
http://www.designed4style.com/clients/websites/ids/contact.htm

Hypocracy.......................

..........said the man months after dumping headless deer carcasses.

From http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0220/1224241488596.html.

..............still listed on the IDS web site...........should have his deer hunting licence revoked along with his firearm certificate(s) IMO & be expelled from the IDS.
Then again, this is Ireland.. :rolleyes:.

Disgraceful behaviour from someone in his position claiming to "care" about Irish deer.

Hope you guys are big enough to admit your wrong when the truth come out. By the way I'm NOT Mr.Woods. Met him at Game Fair. Seemed the real deal, very knowledgable and helpful. He does care, just look at the effort he puts in. The best red deer stags are on the ground he manages. No thanks to some poachers. I know, I'm hunting myself for longer than he is.
Wait this one out, think you all will be sad at how twisted this case has become.

Royalred.

Royalred · 16-06-2009 4:05am

He found two skins and some bones. I suppose saying they were headless is no lie, but what an exaggeration. !!!!!. Lets see the photos of the dumping in question, mr mannion.

Royalred. Not Mr. Woods by the way, but nice try,

Royalred · 16-06-2009 4:22am

No Offal, just meatless bones and two skins. Hope this Mannion Warden fella makes the photos of the area in question available.! Hey come on guys. do all you deer hunters bring the guts home ? WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE SKINS ? Wrap them up in bags and bin them or bury them. Both are illegal. I met this Woods guy at Game Fairs. He was knowledgable and helpful. He must know a thing or two. Just look at the stags in the area he manages. The Hungarian stags are no better and they are a bigger sub species.

Royalred. and I'M not Mr. Woods. I would'nt want to be now

Royalred · 16-06-2009 4:37am

No need, he resigned I'm told. Did'nt want to embarrass them more than he had to with this one sided saga. Sad end to a guy that fought the cornersof hunters very well. Some IDS guy are gutted (pardon the pun) He took them a long way getting the IFA to recognise the beat way to manage deer.
Royalred

bunny shooter · 16-06-2009 5:05am

CJhaughey · 16-06-2009 7:00am

Royalred wrote: »

He took them a long way getting the IFA to recognise the beat way to manage deer.

You mean the right way to shut everyone who was not part of the IDS out?

Sparks · 16-06-2009 11:04am

First off, can everyone please re-read the rules regarding libel and allegations against named people? Two folks here crossed the line in this thread and had their posts deleted. If you "know" someone did something, this isn't the place to make the complaint, you do it formally and in writing to the relevant body, be that the IDS, Coillte, the local Council, or the Gardai. Reporting that such a complaint was made isn't libel; making the complaint here anonymously is. And we're not here to be sued for libel because you didn't want to risk making a formal complaint yourself.

Royalred wrote: »

I've read with intrest the comments on the deer carcass dumping issue. All the comments were valid if the details of the conviction were true. That conviction is I belive, under appeal. I can say with certainty that there was no offal or headless carcasses dumped. The site was not near a water course. What was dumped for one night was two deer skins and bones from which the meat had been removed. The wardens photos from the site in question will prove this.

Okay, hold up there a moment.

1) It's true to say all comments are valid if the conviction is true; but we are required in this country to assume convictions are true until the courts state otherwise. If the conviction is being appealed it remains assumed true until the appeal succeeds. Commenting on the outcome of a case as if it was correct isn't just valid, it's what you're required to do because anything else is running a fine line to contempt of court.

2) You cannot say with certainty anything about the dumping that contradicts the court record unless you not only were a witness to it, but also failed to testify at the case despite having evidence that was of direct relevance to the case. I'm not a solicitor, but if I did something like that, I'd be getting one for fear of a charge of obstructing justice.

3) The photos, according to the reports, were submitted as evidence and nevertheless the case was decided against Mr.Wood. Saying that the judge ruled against someone despite the evidence is tantamount to an accusation of misconduct against someone on the bench.

Dusty87 · 16-06-2009 1:41pm

Royalred wrote: »

I've read with intrest the comments on the deer carcass dumping issue. All the comments were valid if the details of the conviction were true. That conviction is I belive, under appeal. I can say with certainty that there was no offal or headless carcasses dumped. The site was not near a water course. What was dumped for one night was two deer skins and bones from which the meat had been removed. The wardens photos from the site in question will prove this. I am not condoning the dumping even though Mr. Wood rectified it by retrieving the material. In certian EU countries it is illegal to remove the grallough (internal organs) from the field after a deer has been culled. It is considered a biogradable by-product of hunting and one that is used by other birds and animals for sustenance. Mr. Wood is one of the few committed humane wild deer managers who has for years, given his time, knowledge and experience freely to those who wish to manage deer properly. The proof of this is in the quality and health of the red deer herd that now exist in that part of Galway.

Royalred

Is that you mr woods:P

thedragon · 16-06-2009 1:45pm

Im finding this thread is becoming almost like a nightly soap I cant wait to rush home to see another episode,every minute I get Im on the PC to see the latest episodes.Im having serious taughts about contacting RTE to tell them I have a great new idea for a nightly not to be missed soap.Im trying to think of a name for it.The man that posts the best name for my new soap gets to star in it.

Half-cocked · 16-06-2009 2:39pm

I am very interested to see what happens on appeal. It seems to me that all deer hunters need a legal precedent set as to wether leaving grallough in the field is illegal dumping or not. Are we even breaking the law by leaving rabbit guts and breasted pigeon carcasses in the ditch? Mr. Wood, like it or not, could find himself central to setting a very important legal precedent on the subject!

Dusty87 · 16-06-2009 2:46pm

thedragon wrote: »

Im finding this thread is becoming almost like a nightly soap I cant wait to rush home to see another episode,every minute I get Im on the PC to see the latest episodes.Im having serious taughts about contacting RTE to tell them I have a great new idea for a nightly not to be missed soap.Im trying to think of a name for it.The man that posts the best name for my new soap gets to star in it.

Tell me about it, i keep checkin it by the wifi on my mobile:)

lightening · 16-06-2009 2:56pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

I think most people here want him gone as well..

Amazing thread, not in to the deer-hunting myself. Unfortunately some of it stinks of localism and anti deer and hunter control to be honest. You would swear the British lords were telling you what to do! Sorry, lads, but that's what it looks like, a witch hunt and "no outsiders"! That's just reading it from this thread, not from any expertise in the field, so don't take my comments to seriously.

I am sure it will all come out of the wash and I hope the right decisions are made. Good debate and some arguments put forward very well though and the bitchiness is kept to a minimum! I guess you get that when dealing with people with guns!

Sparks · 16-06-2009 3:31pm

lightening wrote: »

I guess you get that when dealing with people with guns!

You'd imagine, but I think I could testify to the contrary

lightening · 16-06-2009 3:34pm

Sparks wrote: »

You'd imagine, but I think I could testify to the contrary

I jest!!!!

Grizzly 45 · 16-06-2009 4:11pm

lightening wrote: »

Amazing thread, not in to the deer-hunting myself. Unfortunately some of it stinks of localism and anti deer and hunter control to be honest. You would swear the British lords were telling you what to do! Sorry, lads, but that's what it looks like, a witch hunt and "no outsiders"! That's just reading it from this thread, not from any expertise in the field, so don't take my comments to seriously.

Not really.We are just trying to clean up some of the muckers and corruption in our own field. .
Everyone bitches and moans about corruption,double dealing etc in this land,but when it comes down to head rolling time,suddenly it is."Ah sure he is a great man...He does a great job...keep him on...etc.." Prize example of this was IMHO Charles J Haughey[not our CJ H on Boards.Ie:).].After illegally importing arms,bugging journalists and various other shennanigans.You had always a bunch of eijtts saying shure he is a grand fellah,keep him on etc,etc.

Only when he died we find out what sort of a rotten crook he was.!:mad:
Why do we always have to glorify the crook here and not the honest law abiding .We need to start cleaning up in this country ,and why not in somthing that affects us???

Grizzly 45 · 16-06-2009 4:14pm

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Im having serious taughts about contacting RTE to tell them I have a great new idea for a nightly not to be missed soap.Im trying to think of a name for it.The man that posts the best name for my new soap gets to star in it.

The Deerhunters? Even more grumpier old men?,:D

thedragon · 16-06-2009 4:43pm

Half-cocked wrote: »

I am very interested to see what happens on appeal. It seems to me that all deer hunters need a legal precedent set as to wether leaving grallough in the field is illegal dumping or not. Are we even breaking the law by leaving rabbit guts and breasted pigeon carcasses in the ditch? Mr. Wood, like it or not, could find himself central to setting a very important legal precedent on the subject!

Its one thing leaving a bit of grolloch behind after a successful hit but leaving two full deer in a stream to pollute a whole river is another thing.I dont personally see any great problem with leaving the remains of a hit behind,it feeds foxes and the like.

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On the other hand I still wouldnt want to be Mr Wood aka Royalred,I hear talk of Sunday World interest here,also animal rights activists planning a protest outside Screebe House,I havent heard anything on the Readers Digest end of things.I for 1 will never buy it again if he has a story in it next month and Id encourage the same from every other reader.

jwshooter · 16-06-2009 4:56pm

thedragon wrote: »

Its one thing leaving a bit of grolloch behind after a successful hit but leaving two full deer in a stream to pollute a whole river is another thing.I dont personally see any great problem with leaving the remains of a hit behind,it feeds foxes and the like.

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On the other hand I still wouldnt want to be Mr Wood aka Royalred,I hear talk of Sunday World interest here,also animal rights activists planning a protest outside Screebe House,I havent heard anything on the Readers Digest end of things.I for 1 will never buy it again if he has a story in it next month and Id encourage the same from every other reader.

jeny you have it in for the hole of the country ,did you ever try concealing ?

kakashka · 16-06-2009 6:10pm

It's fairly straight forward,
He admitted the offence(whoever reported as stated here already most likely did take pics)
He was convicted of the offence
He IS guilty..
No mention of gun licence being revoked???

thedragon · 16-06-2009 6:45pm

jwshooter wrote: »

jeny you have it in for the hole of the country ,did you ever try concealing ?

I have it in for anyone that carries on like that.Im trying to find out who you are now.

kakashka · 16-06-2009 7:30pm

Deerhunter2 wrote: »

fair enough then, we're on the same side then, just difference of opinion?;)

I'm sure we are on the same side
If you know the difference between right and wrong,decent humane behaviour and bollixology then i cant see how there could be any difference of opinion either!!

crowsnightmare · 16-06-2009 10:08pm

I see that Mr Wood represented us at the CIC bash this year, Was this before or after the court conviction ?

neilsbreak · 17-06-2009 10:40am

soap title ideas

(Ultimate) Power Rangers
Dumb and Dumber
Boards Witchhunt
Very Hypocritical individuals

Haven't decided yet til we hear the full scéal!!

Crested · 17-06-2009 10:52am

neilsbreak wrote: »

soap title ideas

(Ultimate) Power Rangers
Dumb and Dumber
Boards Witchhunt
Very Hypocritical individuals

Haven't decided yet til we hear the full scéal!!

Have you an interest neilsbreak??? Funny that you were asking about this last November in your previous posts a few days after the Warden found the carcasses?

Dusty87 · 17-06-2009 11:15am

neilsbreak wrote: »

soap title ideas

(Ultimate) Power Rangers
Dumb and Dumber
Boards Witchhunt
Very Hypocritical individuals

Haven't decided yet til we hear the full scéal!!

How about we film it from mr woods view and call it 'me against the world' ha ha

Royalred · 17-06-2009 1:29pm

BryanL wrote: »

I can't see how creating a situation where, any one who wants to hunt in Ireland has to pay, is progress.
The IDS are all about creating a situation where they control all the rights to hunt deer within and area.
Bryan

I dont like the idea of paying either, especially as I have hunted some places in Ireland for nearly 20 yrs. Unfortunately some Italian Shoot Promoter with a front called the something like 'The Irish Deer Stalking Club' has a local guy offering money to shoot "a few deer" on some of the lands I managed for free. All this guy wants is the big trophies. The only reason the trophies are there is cos of our management. Paying is getting more common Im afraid. Some of the IDS guys are trying the same crack, even trying to take the hunting from other IDS members.(Sligo) Maybe a ban on shooting during the rut should be considered. All this male deer shooting makes proper deer control very difficult. As said by others on this blog, a lot of cowboys are out, stag hunting during the rut. This frightens the does and hinds making them more difficult to manage. Maybe thats why deer numbers are so high in some places. On the other hand a local group of good deer stalkers getting together to control their local area properly is a great idea. What say you ?

Royalred.

Deerhunter2 · 17-06-2009 3:58pm

Royalred wrote: »

I dont like the idea of paying either, especially as I have hunted some places in Ireland for nearly 20 yrs. Unfortunately some Italian Shoot Promoter with a front called the something like 'The Irish Deer Stalking Club' has a local guy offering money to shoot "a few deer" on some of the lands I managed for free. All this guy wants is the big trophies. The only reason the trophies are there is cos of our management. Paying is getting more common Im afraid. Some of the IDS guys are trying the same crack, even trying to take the hunting from other IDS members.(Sligo) Maybe a ban on shooting during the rut should be considered. All this male deer shooting makes proper deer control very difficult. As said by others on this blog, a lot of cowboys are out, stag hunting during the rut. This frightens the does and hinds making them more difficult to manage. Maybe thats why deer numbers are so high in some places. On the other hand a local group of good deer stalkers getting together to control their local area properly is a great idea. What say you ?

Royalred.

ah jim the garda, is it yourself?:D still supporting that other fella and falling for his lies:rolleyes:

kakashka · 17-06-2009 6:02pm

Good man

Sparks · 17-06-2009 6:09pm

Lads, any chance you could talk about this without us having to spend an hour a day checking to see if someone's about to drag the forum into a shouting match (or even more fun, boards.ie itself into a libel lawsuit)?
Or do we need to close the thread? (Because I'd rather not do that, y'know).

kakashka · 17-06-2009 6:23pm

Potential TV rights Sparks??money earner for Boards.ie!!!
My mr's would thank you though:D

Deerhunter2 · 17-06-2009 7:20pm

neilsbreak wrote: »

soap title ideas

(Ultimate) Power Rangers
Dumb and Dumber
Boards Witchhunt
Very Hypocritical individuals

Haven't decided yet til we hear the full scéal!!

hows about "pinky and the brain"
today galway and mayo, tomorrow we take over the world:D

Royalred wrote: »

I dont like the idea of paying either, especially as I have hunted some places in Ireland for nearly 20 yrs. Unfortunately some Italian Shoot Promoter with a front called the something like 'The Irish Deer Stalking Club' has a local guy offering money to shoot "a few deer" on some of the lands I managed for free. All this guy wants is the big trophies. The only reason the trophies are there is cos of our management. Paying is getting more common Im afraid. Some of the IDS guys are trying the same crack, even trying to take the hunting from other IDS members.(Sligo) Maybe a ban on shooting during the rut should be considered. All this male deer shooting makes proper deer control very difficult. As said by others on this blog, a lot of cowboys are out, stag hunting during the rut. This frightens the does and hinds making them more difficult to manage. Maybe thats why deer numbers are so high in some places. On the other hand a local group of good deer stalkers getting together to control their local area properly is a great idea. What say you ?

Royalred.

i can see some sense in what you say, but what happens when a lad just wants to shoot his own ground and is not interested in your club? does he suddenly become the local poacher and the enemy
does this only apply to mayo, i know of a farmer in galway that is being treathened because he wants to shoot deer on his own land and he owns the sporting rights, another lad says there his deer and keeps sendin him letters.
does this group not become a clic?
what you are talking about needs to be run with legislation to make it work, it's either all in or nothing, you can't have a golden circle with 10% claiming to be representing everybody and telling everybody what to do, we should be looking at the european hunting syatems and modelling off that, but that means changing the law as it stands in many ways, especially shooting rights, im not against paying for shooting if it is all above bord and fair like in other countrys
i know whats goin on in mayo and most what i hear is positive, but galway is a different story the only talkin between lads there is done in writin, paul got what he deserved, he had his chance to defend himself in court, the judge was no fool, no point tryin to defend him now, you only know one side of him.

lightening · 17-06-2009 8:06pm

Right, it was getting a bit childish, but back on track!

Deerhunter2 wrote: »

I know of a farmer in galway that is being treathened because he wants to shoot deer on his own land and he owns the sporting rights, another lad says there his deer and keeps sendin him letters.
does this group not become a clic?

Naive here, Deerhunter2, but who is threatening (I don't mean names, but is it a group)? Are they telling him not to shoot on his own land in season even though he has sporting rights? How does the other lad reckon they are his dear, did he breed them and they wandered on to the Galway fella's land? Fascinating stuff.

Edit... That's me being naive, not you Deerhunter2!!!

thedragon · 17-06-2009 8:17pm

Deerhunter2 wrote: »

hows about "pinky and the brain"
today galway and mayo, tomorrow we take over the world:D

i can see some sense in what you say, but what happens when a lad just wants to shoot his own ground and is not interested in your club? does he suddenly become the local poacher and the enemy
does this only apply to mayo, i know of a farmer in galway that is being treathened because he wants to shoot deer on his own land and he owns the sporting rights, another lad says there his deer and keeps sendin him letters.
does this group not become a clic?
what you are talking about needs to be run with legislation to make it work, it's either all in or nothing, you can't have a golden circle with 10% claiming to be representing everybody and telling everybody what to do, we should be looking at the european hunting syatems and modelling off that, but that means changing the law as it stands in many ways, especially shooting rights, im not against paying for shooting if it is all above bord and fair like in other countrys
i know whats goin on in mayo and most what i hear is positive, but galway is a different story the only talkin between lads there is done in writin, paul got what he deserved, he had his chance to defend himself in court, the judge was no fool, no point tryin to defend him now, you only know one side of him.

100% deerhunter2 the lad that minds his own business suddenly becomes the poacher to these lads.Its no different to the Brits all those years ago the IDS are no different,Im not sure you saw the post that got deleted on me by Irlconor for fear of lible.I can actually see war breaking out yet over the shooting permissions.Mr wood feels its time to look for the support of the small man so he comes on here representing himself in disguise pretending hes a down to earth sort of chap when he tormented people for years doing there own bit of shooting.

Sparks · 17-06-2009 8:46pm

thedragon wrote: »

Mr wood feels its time to look for the support of the small man so he comes on here representing himself in disguise

1. We don't know that's what happened.
2. Even the mods don't know - details like the IP of the poster are protected under the Data Protection Act, and you certainly don't have access to that kind of information.
3. Because of the first two points, saying Wood is on here under false pretences is running close to libel.
4. In case we've all missed the irony, you are anonymous here. As are all the other posters tearing into folks on this thread, as well as all the people defending them...

Point 4 there isn't actually saying it's wrong, just pointing out the irony of one anonymous poster slagging another off because of their anonymity...

J. Ramone · 17-06-2009 10:31pm

Royalred wrote: »

...All the comments were valid if the details of the conviction were true. That conviction is I belive, under appeal. I can say with certainty that there was no offal or headless carcasses dumped. The site was not near a water course. What was dumped for one night was two deer skins and bones from which the meat had been removed. The wardens photos from the site in question will prove this. I am not condoning the dumping even though Mr. Wood rectified it by retrieving the material. In certian EU countries it is illegal to remove the grallough (internal organs) from the field after a deer has been culled...

Really?
I find the above very hard to believe. From the newspaper report the details of exactly what was dumped were clearly stated in court. Were these details not contested? Perhaps you could confirm if any defense was made. Were the details clarified on Mr. Wood's behalf?

As a one time acquantance, how could you be so sure of the real facts? Friend of a friend or close friend as suggested?

Royalred · 18-06-2009 2:23am

Hiya,

All I can say is wait for the final outcome. Do you always belive whats in the papers ?
I've met hunting folk from all over, I trust my instincts when sizing up people as well as taking stock of their achievments. If Im proven wrong, so be it.

Royalred

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Irish Deer Society "member" convicted of dumping deer carcasses.

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