Irish Deer Society "member" convicted of dumping deer carcasses.

Kramer

6 month suspended prison sentence & €2k fine.

http://www.galwayindependent.com/local-news/local-news/deer-hunter-fined-for-dumping-carcasses-in-wood-/

Mr. Paul Wood - listed as Chairman of the Connaught branch:
http://www.designed4style.com/clients/websites/ids/contact.htm

Hypocracy.......................

If there’s going to be a management situation, it must be done correctly and properly.

..........said the man months after dumping headless deer carcasses.

From http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0220/1224241488596.html.

..............still listed on the IDS web site...........should have his deer hunting licence revoked along with his firearm certificate(s) IMO & be expelled from the IDS.
Then again, this is Ireland.. :rolleyes:.

Disgraceful behaviour from someone in his position claiming to "care" about Irish deer.

cavan shooter

Ouch Thats goin to hurt, werent IDS on radio about people out lamping foxes were actually poaching. The rest of IDS would need to distance themselves very quickly or this will blow up big time. Can you imagine the field day ICABS etc is going to have:(

Half-cocked

"Mr Mannion found two headless carcasses and five bags of offal containing guts, bones, hair and other remains"

"that about ten of them were shot for consumption each year."

Do they only eat the heads over in the West?:D

But seriously, this sort of sh*t gives all hunters a bad name. More fodder for the antis. I hope the IDS will take the appropriate action.

BryanL

Shooting only for trophies isn't hunting in my book. Not to use the meat harvested is disrespectful. This guy was the spokesman for all of us on Mooney goes wild recently.

Half-cocked

BryanL wrote: »

This guy was the spokesman for all of us on Mooney goes wild recently.

It gets worse by the minute:mad:

Sfinn

BryanL wrote: »

Shooting only for trophies isn't hunting in my book. Not to use the meat harvested is disrespectful. This guy was the spokesman for all of us on Mooney goes wild recently.

Hear, Hear!:mad:

It questions what the private Estates are doing with all their carcasses and the whole philosophy about trophies!

Its not long ago that some of us were branded poachers, at least the meat i believe ended on the dinner table!!

jwshooter

Sfinn wrote: »

Hear, Hear!:mad:

It questions what the private Estates are doing with all their carcasses and the whole philosophy about trophies!

Its not long ago that some of us were branded poachers, at least the meat i believe ended on the dinner table!!

a mature red deer stag could be worth 200 euro or so to a game dealer.

trophy hunting is a valuable revenue to private estates ,there is no money made from it as such .
money that is made goes back into paying for a stalker jeep running cost etc.

with out these estates like paul woods the monster stags we see in the shooters digest just would not get a chance to mature .

thats why there is such a scramble to secure shooting right on the boundaries of them.

kakashka

I'v seen worse from so called experts at the top of IDS and have reported to be basically told,too valuable to us,dont upset.
As with everything AFAICS in IRL,the klik,buddy,mate head is rotten and needs to be cut to allow new growth..

Sfinn

jwshooter wrote: »

a mature red deer stag could be worth 200 euro or so to a game dealer.

trophy hunting is a valuable revenue to private estates ,there is no money made from it as such .
money that is made goes back into paying for a stalker jeep running cost etc.

with out these estates like paul woods the monster stags we see in the shooters digest just would not get a chance to mature .

thats why there is such a scramble to secure shooting right on the boundaries of them.

I've no intention in entering a whos right whos wrong scenario or defending any group or individual. All i will say is that i have actively engaged private fisheries for the last 20 years in pursing a common goal which is inclusive of the local population. Once fisheries owners recognise the advantages in having the local club on board the animosity disappears. You will always have those who will abuse it and they need to be dealt with. It is the same in every sport. However, i feel its all about respect and understanding where both parties are comming form.

When it comes to shooting rights/access it has been a different story. Its a legal nightmare, especially along the western sea board and i have found that certain estates are not as accommodating as others. Branding people as poachers instead of engaging them i believe is loutish behaviour. I believe as the saying goes a converted poacher to game keeper is worth two in the bush. :cool:

BryanL

jwshooter wrote: »

a mature red deer stag could be worth 200 euro or so to a game dealer.

trophy hunting is a valuable revenue to private estates ,there is no money made from it as such .
money that is made goes back into paying for a stalker jeep running cost etc.

with out these estates like paul woods the monster stags we see in the shooters digest just would not get a chance to mature .

thats why there is such a scramble to secure shooting right on the boundaries of them.

If a mature stag is worth €200 then why dump 2?

Is trophy hunting a valuable revenue or is no money made from it?

And whats the benefit to most Irish people of these monster stags? There are no managed estates in the very south of the country and there is still enjoyable shooting and stalking.
I could care less about the revenues of large estates, maybe if lord hawhaw wasn't been subsidized these large estates would be turned over to the public, like the recent national park purchase?
Bryan

stevoman

cavan shooter wrote: »

Can you imagine the field day ICABS etc is going to have:(

look how quick they were on this story.........

http://www.banbloodsports.com/

Sparks

That seems to be a different story stevoman (it's the one about the NWPS rangers allegedly/actually organising commercial hunts).

jwshooter

were the carcasses of the deer that were dumped and removed ,boned out does any one know.

and the offal was it just grallochs and skins

thedragon

Just wondering,is this the same Paul woods that writes for the Shooters Digest. Ill be very disapointed if it is. That a good point JW,this man could be made to look worse than he actually is. Were the carcasses boned out,does anyone know.

Grizzly 45

From the Galway Indo report..
"Two headless carcasses and five bags of guts,bones,hair and other remains"

One other point of law..If somone recives a custodial sentence,suspended or otherwise over 30 days,that also means a loss of your firearms certificate???

Trojan911

wrote:

8.—(1) The following persons are hereby declared to be disentitled to hold a firearm certificate, that is to say:—

[GA] ( a ) any person under the age of fifteen years, and

[GA] ( b ) any person of intemperate habits, and

[GA] ( c ) any person of unsound mind, and

[GA] ( d ) any person who has been sentenced by any court in all Saorstát Éireann for any crime to penal servitude for any term which has not expired or has expired within five years previously, and

[GA] ( e ) any person who has been sentenced by any court in Saorstát Éireann for any crime to imprisonment for any term of not less than three months which has not expired or has expired within five years previously, and

[GA] ( f ) any person who is subject to the supervision of the police, and

[GA] ( g ) any person who is bound by a recognizance to keep the peace or be of good behaviour, a condition of which is that such person shall not have in his possession, or use, or carry any firearm or ammunition.

[GA] (2) Any person who is by virtue of this section disentitled to hold a firearm certificate shall also be disentitled to hold a permit under this Act in relation to any firearm or ammunition.

Can't see anything regarding suspended sentences though.


Source

lordarpad

Trojan911 wrote: »

Can't see anything regarding suspended sentences though.


Source

suspended sentences still fall under one of these two:

[GA] ( d ) any person who has been sentenced by any court in all Saorstát Éireann for any crime to penal servitude for any term which has not expired or has expired within five years previously, and

[GA] ( e ) any person who has been sentenced by any court in Saorstát Éireann for any crime to imprisonment for any term of not less than three months which has not expired or has expired within five years previously, and

jwshooter

was he just disposing of a boned out carcass and the left overs of a boiled out head and some pluck.
that foxes and crows would have eaten in a few days.

one question i have to ask ?

do we all bring our grallochs home what do we all do with our boned out carcass ,skins and dont say give them to the dog.

maybe were to quick to accuses myself included.

i know the man as head of the deer society should have been more care full but thats wild country up there ,it would be like looking for a needle in a hay stack.

kakashka

lordarpad wrote: »

suspended sentences still fall under one of these two:

[GA] ( d ) any person who has been sentenced by any court in all Saorstát Éireann for any crime to penal servitude for any term which has not expired or has expired within five years previously, and

[GA] ( e ) any person who has been sentenced by any court in Saorstát Éireann for any crime to imprisonment for any term of not less than three months which has not expired or has expired within five years previously, and

And AFAIK in a case like this the judge would most likely ban firearm ownership for a period anyway

k_d

jwshooter wrote: »

was he just disposing of a boned out carcass and the left overs of a boiled out head and some pluck.
that foxes and crows would have eaten in a few days.

one question i have to ask ?

do we all bring our grallochs home what do we all do with our boned out carcass ,skins and dont say give them to the dog.

maybe were to quick to accuses myself included.

i know the man as head of the deer society should have been more care full but thats wild country up there ,it would be like looking for a needle in a hay stack.

i think JW as something here, fair enough he was just taking the head and leaving the rest but if it was just the skin andn grallochs..well we have all left them in a field at some stage....

Sparks

jwshooter wrote: »

maybe were to quick to accuses myself included.

Being too quick to accuse someone is definitely a bad thing jw, but I think it's pretty safe to say that after they've been convicted and sentenced is a reasonable timeframe within which to pass comment...

kakashka

Headless Deer Carcasses.

jwshooter

Sparks wrote: »

Being too quick to accuse someone is definitely a bad thing jw, but I think it's pretty safe to say that after they've been convicted and sentenced is a reasonable timeframe within which to pass comment...

thats fair enough .
if i was on the hill and shot a hind, her calf, her yearling and done a full gralloch on them .

i dragged away the deer as i head off a walker comes on to the site and phones a ranger or cop .

by right im not to leave offal behind me.

so could i find myself in the dock in front of a judge that would not have a clue of the daily goings on .

Trojan911

lordarpad wrote: »

suspended sentences still fall under one of these two:

[GA] ( d ) any person who has been sentenced by any court in all Saorstát Éireann for any crime to penal servitude for any term which has not expired or has expired within five years previously, and

[GA] ( e ) any person who has been sentenced by any court in Saorstát Éireann for any crime to imprisonment for any term of not less than three months which has not expired or has expired within five years previously, and

Cheers, was swinging towards (e) subsection alright...

CJhaughey

So the sensible answer is to carry a small entrenching tool and just make a small hole and drop the guts in it, put the sod back and everyones happy.
Walkers won't see it until the carrion eaters dig it up and pull it away.
And when the guts resurface no walker is going to want to have a real close look anyway.:D

Not to hard to do and saves a lot of bother for everyone involved.
Unless of course your hands blister easily on the handle of the shovel.

jwshooter

CJhaughey wrote: »

So the sensible answer is to carry a small entrenching tool and just make a small hole and drop the guts in it, put the sod back and everyones happy.
Walkers won't see it until the carrion eaters dig it up and pull it away.
And when the guts resurface no walker is going to want to have a real close look anyway.:D

Not to hard to do and saves a lot of bother for everyone involved.
Unless of course your hands blister easily on the handle of the shovel.

not practical ,also by burring in it takes longer to decay where crows will have it eat with in the day.

CJhaughey

jwshooter wrote: »

not practical ,also by burring in it takes longer to decay where crows will have it eat with in the day.

What do you mean not practical? I have buried plenty of guts in my time.
Those tools are superlight now, some are less than 700grams.
You have two options:

a) Gralloch away and leave the guts out and hope that crows and other scavengers clean the lot in a day or two.
Hopefully there will be no problems such as the individual mentioned.

b) Dig a hole and bury the guts, maybe a fox or badger will dig it up or in time it will rot away and cause no further problems, out of sight out of mind.

Glock make a nice e-tool that is not on the restricted list:D

thedragon

I dont think this man did F**k all wrong if all he did was dump a bit of gralloch in the countryside,I know the papers said it was 2 headless deer but Ive since learned that the 2 deer were boned out completely and all he did was dispose of some remains. I know Im going to get scorched here but hands up how many of you out there havent every time you shot a deer,disposed of the gralloch there on the spot.I put my hand up now if Im wrong about the 2 deer in question.But all of us dispose of the gralloch there on the spot where the deer stopped. I dont see any problem doing this and either should anyone else.I have never come back the next day to a spot where a deer was gutted to see any leftovers,the foxes would have it ravaged. Never yet have I seen anything left the next day.So are we all guilty here and should we all be given suspended sentences and lose our guns.I will on the other hand say that if he did dump 2 perfect unbutchered carcasses,well then thats another matter.

Sparks

thedragon wrote: »

Ive since learned that the 2 deer were boned out completely and all he did was dispose of some remains

on the other hand say that if he did dump 2 perfect unbutchered carcasses,well then thats another matter.

Which is it?

Grizzly 45

Think we are missing somthing important here. The carcasses,boned out or not and entrails were dumped near a water course,and on State forestry land.Nothing indeed wrong with disposing with the gralloach in the countryside,by burying.But five bags of it???
Think this is what got Judge Mc Carthys dander up.

jwshooter

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Think we are missing somthing important here. The carcasses,boned out or not and entrails were dumped near a water course,and on State forestry land.Nothing indeed wrong with disposing with the gralloach in the countryside,by burying.But five bags of it???
Think this is what got Judge Mc Carthys dander up.

i think he was miles from loch corrib ,and if it was state forestry. i did not read that part .

what is state forestry now? ..coillte was sold to the highest bidder.

who brought the prosecution against him to court coillte, npws, epa,?

5 bags of offal the willie wag tails in my yard would eat that in a week

Deerhunter2

jwshooter wrote: »

i think he was miles from loch corrib ,and if it was state forestry. i did not read that part .

what is state forestry now? ..coillte was sold to the highest bidder.

who brought the prosecution against him to court coillte, npws, epa,?

5 bags of offal the willie wag tails in my yard would eat that in a week

you are wrong, he dumped 2 full deer in a stream, I saw the photos. the stream flows into the corrib and is our water supply in galway city. the deer were cut in to quaters so he could move 'em, they were big stags, the bags were stuffed with whole ducks. he was using this dump site for a while according to the lad that showed me the photos. he is a disgrace to all hunters. he got what he deserved and it was about time too.

are you sure those willy wag tails are not magpies

thedragon

OK Im wrong too. I heard a different story,that they were only butchered carcasses and nothing more than a bit of grollach and a few bones.Its a shameful waste of a life to go and shoot them and just go and dump them. Hedid get what he deserved if thats the case.

Keelan

Deerhunter2 wrote: »

you are wrong, he dumped 2 full deer in a stream, I saw the photos. the stream flows into the corrib and is our water supply in galway city. the deer were cut in to quaters so he could move 'em, they were big stags, the bags were stuffed with whole ducks. he was using this dump site for a while according to the lad that showed me the photos. he is a disgrace to all hunters. he got what he deserved and it was about time too.

Thats fecking disgracefull !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:(
He should be baned from having anything to do with firearms or hunting and i have heard he use to be a right bollicks, acting like a ranger in that area, bloody hipocrite......:mad:

Keelan.

rrpc

Somebody must have known what he was up to. It's not possible to be shooting for trophies, selling them and not be known for it. How would you get business?

Deerhunter2

he was chairman of the deer society, he wrote in the shooting digest about deer hunting all the time, he put himself up on a pedestal as irelands authority on deer hunting, and told us how we all should be doing it. do as i say not as i do. he has tormented any body that does a bit of deer hunting over this way, go near the deer in connemara and he'll be all over you like a rash, even when you are perfectly legal, nothing wrong or illegal with the business of selling trophys rrpc, there is alot wrong with paul woods:mad: there is no defending him and his actions and the judge saw him for what he is.

Keelan

Deerhunter2 wrote: »

he was chairman of the deer society, he wrote in the shooting digest about deer hunting all the time, he put himself up on a pedestal as irelands authority on deer hunting, and told us how we all should be doing it. do as i say not as i do. he has tormented any body that does a bit of deer hunting over this way, go near the deer in connemara and he'll be all over you like a rash, even when you are perfectly legal, nothing wrong or illegal with the business of selling trophys rrpc, there is alot wrong with paul woods:mad: there is no defending him and his actions and the judge saw him for what he is.

Well said. Thats exactly how he was and their is plenty more like him out their, currupt as they come, no wonder Irelands deer population is nothing like it was back in the 80's, its gone very low !.
You would be lucky to see a good fallow buck now, anywhere in roscommon, sligo and east galway, a shame..that includes red stags, good ones are rare as hens teeth...

Keelan.

crowsnightmare

Well if that's true then fair play to the judge & whoever reported him. Is Woods still chairman or have the Deer Society distanced themselves from him ? There is always a Bad Apple & the amount of damage that he can do to the rest of us can not be underestimated ! There are enough Tree Huggers out there that will feed on this sort of thing & assume that it goes on all of the time. This guy should not be allowed to hold a license again & any true hunter, society, magazine, etc.. should dissassociate themselves from him!

"Assuming that what Deerhunter 2 is true of course & I have no reason to doubt that it is."

crowsnightmare

Keelan wrote: »

Well said. Thats exactly how he was and their is plenty more like him out their, currupt as they come, no wonder Irelands deer population is nothing like it was back in the 80's, its gone very low !.
You would be lucky to see a good fallow buck now, anywhere in roscommon, sligo and east galway, a shame..that includes red stags, good ones are rare as hens teeth...

Keelan.

I think that you will find that there is actually more Deer than there was in the 80's but you are right in that the quality is not there. This is down to greed & bad management in most cases & as has been the case over the last number of years in a lot of area's the highest bidder gets in, takes as much as he can with no management strategy & then moves on somewhere else to do the same again! IMHO

Grizzly 45

rrpc wrote: »

Somebody must have known what he was up to. It's not possible to be shooting for trophies, selling them and not be known for it. How would you get business?

And what sort of a <person> goes and does that anyway??
And more so which kind of a lazy <snip> hunter would buy a trophy somone else has shot???:mad: Thats not hunting,thats contract killing!
Anyone who does that has no right to be called or call themselves a hunter,and should be ostracised from the hunting community,and be known as a praiah by all..

DrIndy

I just don't see the point - if he didn't want the carcass - Myself or any of a long list of people I know would have loved to get some venison.

I'm a fisherman, not a hunter - but the ethos prevail. You hunt out of neccesity for pest control or for food - not for trophies. Getting one along the way is fair enough - but to waste the carcass is to me absolute sacrilege.

Keelan

crowsnightmare wrote: »

I think that you will find that there is actually more Deer than there was in the 80's but you are right in that the quality is not there. This is down to greed & bad management in most cases & as has been the case over the last number of years in a lot of area's the highest bidder gets in, takes as much as he can with no management strategy & then moves on somewhere else to do the same again! IMHO

Agree. Greed amongst a lot of deerhunters, seems to be the norm, as well. Their was a hell of lot of deer in the late 80's and up until the late 90's around Boyle, lots of good bucks ect, try even spotting a doe their now, you will be lucky..:(
After the massecar of deer, by a certain individual in east Galway, the same has happened their...disrcaefull. This is the reason, i dont shot deer anymore, as i did do for years in these areas, from 79, to 97. I dont wish to add to the mass cull, thats even going on now in the summer months, due to section 42's being handed out like sweets......:(

Keelan.

jwshooter

i thought the deer carcasses and bags of offal were removed form the place ,so how did your friend get a picture deerhunter 2 was he the warden ?

thedragon

Deerhunter2 wrote: »

he was chairman of the deer society, he wrote in the shooting digest about deer hunting all the time, he put himself up on a pedestal as irelands authority on deer hunting, and told us how we all should be doing it. do as i say not as i do. he has tormented any body that does a bit of deer hunting over this way, go near the deer in connemara and he'll be all over you like a rash, even when you are perfectly legal, nothing wrong or illegal with the business of selling trophys rrpc, there is alot wrong with paul woods:mad: there is no defending him and his actions and the judge saw him for what he is.

If you leave these alone and for a while,you"ll eventually see them running out of rope,this is a prime example of,give them enough rope and they eventually hang themselves. Look at what happened to the NPWS ranger in Galway,he alledgedly went on with a similar racket till he ran out of rope.Ive had dealings with both of these guys and I always predicted a sad outcome for both of them. What goes around comes around.

Keelan

thedragon wrote: »

If you leave these alone and for a while,you"ll eventually see them running out of rope,this is a prime example of,give them enough rope and they eventually hang themselves. Look at what happened to the NPWS ranger in Galway,he alledgedly went on with a similar racket till he ran out of rope.Ive had dealings with both of these guys and I always predicted a sad outcome for both of them. What goes around comes around.

Absalutely, spot on.

Keelan.

ayapatrick

jwshooter wrote: »

i thought the deer carcasses and bags of offal were removed form the place ,so how did your friend get a picture deerhunter 2 was he the warden ?

i thought it was that when he knew he had been nabbed that the carcasses were removed. nothing stopping someone taking a picture before that time?

Deerhunter2

Keelan wrote: »

Well said. Thats exactly how he was and their is plenty more like him out their, currupt as they come, no wonder Irelands deer population is nothing like it was back in the 80's, its gone very low !.
You would be lucky to see a good fallow buck now, anywhere in roscommon, sligo and east galway, a shame..that includes red stags, good ones are rare as hens teeth...

Keelan.

theres never being as many deer from what i can see and hear from other lads. never being as many lads shooting either, they just stick ta cover more.

jwshooter wrote: »

i thought the deer carcasses and bags of offal were removed form the place ,so how did your friend get a picture deerhunter 2 was he the warden ?

he got dem from the lad that saw woods dumping, think he's gettin them made into christmas cards to send to all the members of the deer society:D

thedragon wrote: »

If you leave these alone and for a while,you"ll eventually see them running out of rope,this is a prime example of,give them enough rope and they eventually hang themselves. Look at what happened to the NPWS ranger in Galway,he alledgedly went on with a similar racket till he ran out of rope.Ive had dealings with both of these guys and I always predicted a sad outcome for both of them. What goes around comes around.

wood was low and nasty, he hated anybody near connemara that wasn't pert of his clic. i have ground over in the ballygar direction, met that ranger a few times, he's fine as long as your straight and stay where ya have permission, most of the lads over there just cruise the roads looking for handy ones, lads come from all over ireland looking for bucks in the rut, you'd think it was the galway ring road with the traffic on a saturday or sunday mornin in october or november. the ranger put a stop to them lads alright, probably why he gat such a bad name. iheard lads were tryin to stitch him up, his dogs were even killed, i don't think he ran out of rope, i'd say twas cut.

thedragon

He never felt that the law applied to himself.He was alledgedly the worst thing that the word "Hunting" had to offer,himself and Wood should be joined at the hip.

Deerhunter2

never did me wrong, met him several times, he was doing his job as far as i'm concerned, better bucks about since he showed up and less assh0les cruiseing. he shoots a lot of hinds but dats a good thing. my ground was shot to bits by lads cruiseing and now the deer a coming back. if ya have proof of wromg doings then let us know, its easy make allegations, you obviously have it in for him, wonder why?

thedragon

Deerhunter2 wrote: »

never did me wrong, met him several times, he was doing his job as far as i'm concerned, better bucks about since he showed up and less assh0les cruiseing. he shoots a lot of hinds but dats a good thing. my ground was shot to bits by lads cruiseing and now the deer a coming back. if ya have proof of wromg doings then let us know, its easy make allegations, you obviously have it in for him, wonder why?

Have you took a look a at the thread concerning his whole issue.Hes not under investigation for nothing.My problem with this bloke is,waving the badge and feeling he could shoot anywhere he felt like.He did certainly slow down a lot of the assholes and drive by shooters,Ill give him that much.If I elaborate too much here Ill be banned from Boards.I wouldnt say a bad word against a good man.But this guys carry on shocks me.Wait till the story unfolds and becomes legal,then tell me what you think.

crowsnightmare

thedragon wrote: »

Have you took a look a at the thread concerning his whole issue.Hes not under investigation for nothing.My problem with this bloke is,waving the badge and feeling he could shoot anywhere he felt like.He did certainly slow down a lot of the assholes and drive by shooters,Ill give him that much.If I elaborate too much here Ill be banned from Boards.I wouldnt say a bad word against a good man.But this guys carry on shocks me.Wait till the story unfolds and becomes legal,then tell me what you think.

Can you post a link to that thread ? Thanks