Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

Assetbacked · 13-07-2020 2:27pm

Assetbacked wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/face-coverings-confusion-over-enforcement-of-new-public-transport-rules-1.4303166?mode=amp

So after all the media hype at the end of last week, the face coverings on public transport aren't actually being enforced.

I suppose this is the impact of rushing through a piece of legislation based on a mood at the time without fully appreciating what it would actually mean and how it would be implemented.

If anyone was doubtful there was a media narrative to fear monger, since I posted this the headline has been changed to "High compliance with rule making face coverings mandatory on public transport" from a headline that said something like "no responsibility for Gardai or bus unions to enforce face coverings". The old headline could've given the impression that nothing will happen if you don't wear a face mask on public transport which can't be allowed to happen!

cnocbui · 13-07-2020 2:40pm

MickeyLeari wrote: »

What are you doing here? You should be on RTE frightening the nation as another expert.

What, tell the country that everyone who could potentially die from this virus, likely will? The Irish don't like hard unpalatable news or information.

Polar101 · 13-07-2020 2:43pm

fritzelly wrote: »

Where are all these people getting reinfected?

Yeah, it's been over half a year since the thing started, so there would be lots of people getting reinfected, if it was something that was commonplace.

ACitizenErased · 13-07-2020 2:54pm

Northern Ireland: weekend update
1 additional death
16 new cases
1 case in ICU

These are 72hr figures as NI no longer does weekend updates

Eod100 · 13-07-2020 2:57pm

https://twitter.com/paulreiddublin/status/1282675093462802432?s=19

caveat emptor · 13-07-2020 3:12pm

What a mess. I think I'll stick with costa del irlanda. Should manage to save some money on sun cream. Every cloud and all......

Catalan chief calls on outbreak area residents to stay home after judge rejects lockdown

BARCELONA/LLEIDA (Reuters) - The leader of the Spanish region of Catalonia called on residents of an area that has seen a surge in coronavirus cases to stay at home, despite a ruling by a judge who threw out a mandatory lockdown order for the district of 160,000 people.

Spain, which has been one of the European countries worst affected by the coronavirus, lifted nationwide confinement last month, when the pandemic seemed to have come under control.

But with dozens of new clusters, local authorities across Spain are scrambling to take new measures either to lock down small areas or make it mandatory to wear a mask in public.

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1282623316998717441?s=20

Rob A. Bank · 13-07-2020 3:28pm

I keep hearing government ministers say that self isolation or quarantine is legally unenforceable in Ireland.

Surely it is their job to change the law and make it enforceable !

They passed a law in 2 days at the start of this pandemic with the Health (Preservation and Protection and other Emergency Measures in the Public Interest) Act 2020.

It gives powers for "...certain medical officers of health to order, in certain circumstances, the detention of persons who are suspected to be potential sources of infection with the disease known as Covid-19 and to provide for enforcement measures in that regard..."

They could tweak The Health Act, 1947 again, which states that if a person "...is a probable source of infection with an infectious disease and that his isolation is necessary as a safeguard against the spread of infection..."

Where there is a will there is a way... and the first duty of a democratic state should be to protect the life and health of it's citizens. If the 'medical officers of health' are unable or unwilling to isolate people, then get someone else to do it.

Stop hiding behind the coat tails of the legal profession and get off your collective arses and pass the necessary effing law... the virus will not wait to exploit every weakness it can find in our defenses.

And travelers from Covid-19 hot spots ignoring our self isolation rules are a glaringly obvious danger to us all.

ACitizenErased · 13-07-2020 3:31pm

Apparently nursing home in Mallow, Cork has been locked down due to a cluster identified in the mass testing. Not sure if it’s true.

Renjit · 13-07-2020 3:31pm

This virus is such a mystery, until I get it

Assetbacked · 13-07-2020 3:33pm

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

I keep hearing government ministers say that self isolation or quarantine is legally unenforceable in Ireland.

Surely it is their job to change the law and make it enforceable !

They passed a law in 2 days at the start of this pandemic with the Health (Preservation and Protection and other Emergency Measures in the Public Interest) Act 2020.

It gives powers for "...certain medical officers of health to order, in certain circumstances, the detention of persons who are suspected to be potential sources of infection with the disease known as Covid-19 and to provide for enforcement measures in that regard..."

They could tweak The Health Act, 1947 again, which states that if a person "...is a probable source of infection with an infectious disease and that his isolation is necessary as a safeguard against the spread of infection..."

Where there is a will there is a way... and the first duty of a democratic state should be to protect the life and health of it's citizens. If the 'medical officers of health' are unable or unwilling to isolate people, then get someone else to do it.

Stop hiding behind the coat tails of the legal profession and get off your collective arses and pass the necessary effing law... the virus will not wait to exploit every weakness it can find in our defenses.

And travelers from Covid-19 hot spots ignoring our self isolation rules are a glaringly obvious danger to us all.

It's impossible to take any government guidance to those already in Ireland seriously when the big risk from travel is not being managed at all. Mandatory face masks, social distancing in shops, bars etc. completely arbitrary and pointless to try to get people to follow while the borders are entirely ignored. The only thing I think of is that the risk from the virus has been assessed as against the effort and cost required to implement proper enforcement at borders and it has been determined to be worth taking.

stephenjmcd · 13-07-2020 3:34pm

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Apparently nursing home in Mallow, Cork has been locked down due to a cluster identified in the mass testing. Not sure if it’s true.

There was this reported the other day but not Mallow
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/covid-19-visits-suspended-at-cork-nursing-home-1010301.html

ACitizenErased · 13-07-2020 3:37pm

stephenjmcd wrote: »

There was this reported the other day but not Mallow
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/covid-19-visits-suspended-at-cork-nursing-home-1010301.html

Must be a new one so, only heard this in the last hour

Eod100 · 13-07-2020 3:47pm

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

I keep hearing government ministers say that self isolation or quarantine is legally unenforceable in Ireland.

Surely it is their job to change the law and make it enforceable !

They passed a law in 2 days at the start of this pandemic with the Health (Preservation and Protection and other Emergency Measures in the Public Interest) Act 2020.

It gives powers for "...certain medical officers of health to order, in certain circumstances, the detention of persons who are suspected to be potential sources of infection with the disease known as Covid-19 and to provide for enforcement measures in that regard..."

They could tweak The Health Act, 1947 again, which states that if a person "...is a probable source of infection with an infectious disease and that his isolation is necessary as a safeguard against the spread of infection..."

Where there is a will there is a way... and the first duty of a democratic state should be to protect the life and health of it's citizens. If the 'medical officers of health' are unable or unwilling to isolate people, then get someone else to do it.

Stop hiding behind the coat tails of the legal profession and get off your collective arses and pass the necessary effing law... the virus will not wait to exploit every weakness it can find in our defenses.

And travelers from Covid-19 hot spots ignoring our self isolation rules are a glaringly obvious danger to us all.

They're hiding behind Attorney General's advice which gives them political cover. As you say they're the legislators, nothing stopping them from making and implementing law. Can't see any political opposition within Oireachtas so if there was political will from government.

is_that_so · 13-07-2020 3:49pm

The kids are alright!

Very few of 2,000 schoolchildren and teachers tested in the German state of Saxony showed antibodies to Covid-19, a study has found, suggesting schools may not play as big a role in spreading the virus as some had feared.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/13/german-study-covid-19-infection-rate-schools-saxony

Rob A. Bank · 13-07-2020 3:56pm

Assetbacked wrote: »

It's impossible to take any government guidance to those already in Ireland seriously when the big risk from travel is not being managed at all. Mandatory face masks, social distancing in shops, bars etc. completely arbitrary and pointless to try to get people to follow while the borders are entirely ignored. The only thing I think of is that the risk from the virus has been assessed as against the effort and cost required to implement proper enforcement at borders and it has been determined to be worth taking.

Agreed.

I wonder if they have really factored in 'the cost and effort' that a second (even partial) lockdown would produce, if we are unfortunate enough to follow the trajectory the virus had in Victoria, Australia.

We seem to be playing russian roulette with the virus. there is a fair chance that the international travelers from hot spots do not have the virus.

But is it really a chance worth taking ?

is_that_so · 13-07-2020 4:01pm

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Agreed.

I wonder if they have really factored in 'the cost and effort' that a second (even partial) lockdown would produce, if we are unfortunate enough to follow the trajectory the virus had in Victoria, Australia.

We seem to be playing russian roulette with the virus. there is a fair chance that the international travelers from hot spots do not have the virus.

But is it really a chance worth taking ?

We'd be fine just as long as those protecting the detainees/quarantees don't think that poking them is part of the job!

Eod100 · 13-07-2020 4:12pm

Eamonn Ryan saying the numbers are low coming from US. Wouldn't that make mandatory quarantine from high risk countrues easier to implement in that case?

Doesn't HSE still have access to Citywest? Could use that or rent hotelsat Dublin airport.

https://www.newstalk.com/news/coveney-tourists-ireland-holiday-1045313?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1594652526

Jim_Hodge · 13-07-2020 4:12pm

This is a novel approach - llama antibodies.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-53369103

ACitizenErased · 13-07-2020 4:12pm

Latest testing data (48hrs)

Tests conducted in last 48 hours: 14,842
Tests conducted in last 7 days: 49,106
Positive tests in last 48 hours: 33
Positivity rate last 7 days: 0.3%

Eod100 · 13-07-2020 4:13pm

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

This is a novel approach - llama antibodies.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-53369103

I'd heard about that before be very interesting if they make progress

is_that_so · 13-07-2020 4:13pm

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

This is a novel approach - llama antibodies.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-53369103

Indeed but very early days.

ACitizenErased · 13-07-2020 4:15pm

Based on positive tests in last 48 hours (33) and the number of confirmed cases yesterday (17), I'm hoping we have a low number today, possibly less than 16.

is_that_so · 13-07-2020 4:16pm

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Based on positive tests in last 48 hours (33) and the number of confirmed cases yesterday (17), I'm hoping we have a low number today, possibly less than 16.

Ah, but Monday ...

Rob A. Bank · 13-07-2020 4:16pm

World Health organization press briefing live

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-ZrksYW2yw

ACitizenErased · 13-07-2020 4:16pm

is_that_so wrote: »

Ah, but Monday ...

Don't jinx me

ACitizenErased · 13-07-2020 4:17pm

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

World Health organization press briefing live

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-ZrksYW2yw

Seems like it's all about ebola today

Eod100 · 13-07-2020 4:18pm

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Based on positive tests in last 48 hours (33) and the number of confirmed cases yesterday (17), I'm hoping we have a low number today, possibly less than 16.

Great to see positivity rate stay stable. Thanks for all the updates btw.

owlbethere · 13-07-2020 4:42pm

https://galwaybayfm.ie/galway-bay-fm-news-desk/galway-restauranteur-implements-policy-for-future-international-bookings/

This throws a very bad light on our government how they can't lead during this pandemic with public health and safety of the population at the very core during this time.

A Galway business man had to introduce a new policy into his restaurants for the booking system and if the booking is for international visitors.

It's very poor form from the government. Useless shower of pr1cks in government and they are only there a few weeks.

Eod100 · 13-07-2020 4:42pm

Labour TD on RTE Drivetime now suggesting ban of flights from US until mandatory testing at airport. Seems daft. Mandatory quarantine is needed not testing on arrival and banning flights not realistic.

caveat emptor · 13-07-2020 4:42pm

Fair play for Zara King raising this point. Fairly clearly mooting Ireland as escape to the country destination. This is fvcking dumb. We are approaching UK levels of incompetence on this.

https://twitter.com/ZaraKing/status/1282586591953813504?s=20

https://twitter.com/GoToIreland/status/1282586868152967168?s=20

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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