Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

ACitizenErased · 13-07-2020 03:31PM

Apparently nursing home in Mallow, Cork has been locked down due to a cluster identified in the mass testing. Not sure if it’s true.

Renjit · 13-07-2020 03:31PM

This virus is such a mystery, until I get it

Assetbacked · 13-07-2020 03:33PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

I keep hearing government ministers say that self isolation or quarantine is legally unenforceable in Ireland.

Surely it is their job to change the law and make it enforceable !

They passed a law in 2 days at the start of this pandemic with the Health (Preservation and Protection and other Emergency Measures in the Public Interest) Act 2020.

It gives powers for "...certain medical officers of health to order, in certain circumstances, the detention of persons who are suspected to be potential sources of infection with the disease known as Covid-19 and to provide for enforcement measures in that regard..."

They could tweak The Health Act, 1947 again, which states that if a person "...is a probable source of infection with an infectious disease and that his isolation is necessary as a safeguard against the spread of infection..."

Where there is a will there is a way... and the first duty of a democratic state should be to protect the life and health of it's citizens. If the 'medical officers of health' are unable or unwilling to isolate people, then get someone else to do it.

Stop hiding behind the coat tails of the legal profession and get off your collective arses and pass the necessary effing law... the virus will not wait to exploit every weakness it can find in our defenses.

And travelers from Covid-19 hot spots ignoring our self isolation rules are a glaringly obvious danger to us all.

It's impossible to take any government guidance to those already in Ireland seriously when the big risk from travel is not being managed at all. Mandatory face masks, social distancing in shops, bars etc. completely arbitrary and pointless to try to get people to follow while the borders are entirely ignored. The only thing I think of is that the risk from the virus has been assessed as against the effort and cost required to implement proper enforcement at borders and it has been determined to be worth taking.

stephenjmcd · 13-07-2020 03:34PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Apparently nursing home in Mallow, Cork has been locked down due to a cluster identified in the mass testing. Not sure if it’s true.

There was this reported the other day but not Mallow
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/covid-19-visits-suspended-at-cork-nursing-home-1010301.html

ACitizenErased · 13-07-2020 03:37PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

There was this reported the other day but not Mallow
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/covid-19-visits-suspended-at-cork-nursing-home-1010301.html

Must be a new one so, only heard this in the last hour

Eod100 · 13-07-2020 03:47PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

I keep hearing government ministers say that self isolation or quarantine is legally unenforceable in Ireland.

Surely it is their job to change the law and make it enforceable !

They passed a law in 2 days at the start of this pandemic with the Health (Preservation and Protection and other Emergency Measures in the Public Interest) Act 2020.

It gives powers for "...certain medical officers of health to order, in certain circumstances, the detention of persons who are suspected to be potential sources of infection with the disease known as Covid-19 and to provide for enforcement measures in that regard..."

They could tweak The Health Act, 1947 again, which states that if a person "...is a probable source of infection with an infectious disease and that his isolation is necessary as a safeguard against the spread of infection..."

Where there is a will there is a way... and the first duty of a democratic state should be to protect the life and health of it's citizens. If the 'medical officers of health' are unable or unwilling to isolate people, then get someone else to do it.

Stop hiding behind the coat tails of the legal profession and get off your collective arses and pass the necessary effing law... the virus will not wait to exploit every weakness it can find in our defenses.

And travelers from Covid-19 hot spots ignoring our self isolation rules are a glaringly obvious danger to us all.

They're hiding behind Attorney General's advice which gives them political cover. As you say they're the legislators, nothing stopping them from making and implementing law. Can't see any political opposition within Oireachtas so if there was political will from government.

is_that_so · 13-07-2020 03:49PM

The kids are alright!

Very few of 2,000 schoolchildren and teachers tested in the German state of Saxony showed antibodies to Covid-19, a study has found, suggesting schools may not play as big a role in spreading the virus as some had feared.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/13/german-study-covid-19-infection-rate-schools-saxony

Rob A. Bank · 13-07-2020 03:56PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

It's impossible to take any government guidance to those already in Ireland seriously when the big risk from travel is not being managed at all. Mandatory face masks, social distancing in shops, bars etc. completely arbitrary and pointless to try to get people to follow while the borders are entirely ignored. The only thing I think of is that the risk from the virus has been assessed as against the effort and cost required to implement proper enforcement at borders and it has been determined to be worth taking.

Agreed.

I wonder if they have really factored in 'the cost and effort' that a second (even partial) lockdown would produce, if we are unfortunate enough to follow the trajectory the virus had in Victoria, Australia.

We seem to be playing russian roulette with the virus. there is a fair chance that the international travelers from hot spots do not have the virus.

But is it really a chance worth taking ?

is_that_so · 13-07-2020 04:01PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Agreed.

I wonder if they have really factored in 'the cost and effort' that a second (even partial) lockdown would produce, if we are unfortunate enough to follow the trajectory the virus had in Victoria, Australia.

We seem to be playing russian roulette with the virus. there is a fair chance that the international travelers from hot spots do not have the virus.

But is it really a chance worth taking ?

We'd be fine just as long as those protecting the detainees/quarantees don't think that poking them is part of the job!

Eod100 · 13-07-2020 04:12PM

Eamonn Ryan saying the numbers are low coming from US. Wouldn't that make mandatory quarantine from high risk countrues easier to implement in that case?

Doesn't HSE still have access to Citywest? Could use that or rent hotelsat Dublin airport.

https://www.newstalk.com/news/coveney-tourists-ireland-holiday-1045313?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1594652526

Jim_Hodge · 13-07-2020 04:12PM

This is a novel approach - llama antibodies.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-53369103

ACitizenErased · 13-07-2020 04:12PM

Latest testing data (48hrs)

Tests conducted in last 48 hours: 14,842
Tests conducted in last 7 days: 49,106
Positive tests in last 48 hours: 33
Positivity rate last 7 days: 0.3%

Eod100 · 13-07-2020 04:13PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

This is a novel approach - llama antibodies.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-53369103

I'd heard about that before be very interesting if they make progress

is_that_so · 13-07-2020 04:13PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

This is a novel approach - llama antibodies.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-53369103

Indeed but very early days.

ACitizenErased · 13-07-2020 04:15PM

Based on positive tests in last 48 hours (33) and the number of confirmed cases yesterday (17), I'm hoping we have a low number today, possibly less than 16.

is_that_so · 13-07-2020 04:16PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Based on positive tests in last 48 hours (33) and the number of confirmed cases yesterday (17), I'm hoping we have a low number today, possibly less than 16.

Ah, but Monday ...

Rob A. Bank · 13-07-2020 04:16PM

World Health organization press briefing live

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-ZrksYW2yw

ACitizenErased · 13-07-2020 04:16PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Ah, but Monday ...

Don't jinx me

ACitizenErased · 13-07-2020 04:17PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

World Health organization press briefing live

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-ZrksYW2yw

Seems like it's all about ebola today

Eod100 · 13-07-2020 04:18PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Based on positive tests in last 48 hours (33) and the number of confirmed cases yesterday (17), I'm hoping we have a low number today, possibly less than 16.

Great to see positivity rate stay stable. Thanks for all the updates btw.

owlbethere · 13-07-2020 04:42PM

https://galwaybayfm.ie/galway-bay-fm-news-desk/galway-restauranteur-implements-policy-for-future-international-bookings/

This throws a very bad light on our government how they can't lead during this pandemic with public health and safety of the population at the very core during this time.

A Galway business man had to introduce a new policy into his restaurants for the booking system and if the booking is for international visitors.

It's very poor form from the government. Useless shower of pr1cks in government and they are only there a few weeks.

Eod100 · 13-07-2020 04:42PM

Labour TD on RTE Drivetime now suggesting ban of flights from US until mandatory testing at airport. Seems daft. Mandatory quarantine is needed not testing on arrival and banning flights not realistic.

caveat emptor · 13-07-2020 04:42PM

Fair play for Zara King raising this point. Fairly clearly mooting Ireland as escape to the country destination. This is fvcking dumb. We are approaching UK levels of incompetence on this.

https://twitter.com/ZaraKing/status/1282586591953813504?s=20

https://twitter.com/GoToIreland/status/1282586868152967168?s=20

wadacrack · 13-07-2020 04:43PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSugd6jpOgM

Jinglejangle69 · 13-07-2020 04:43PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Labour TD on RTE Drivetime now suggesting ban of flights from US until mandatory testing at airport. Seems daft. Mandatory quarantine is needed not testing on arrival and banning flights not realistic.

Why is banning flights not realistic?

Trump banned European flights as Europe was a hotspot.

America is a hotspot now.

Absolute bonkers.

Eod100 · 13-07-2020 04:47PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Why is banning flights not realistic?

Trump banned European flights as Europe was a hotspot.

America is a hotspot now.

Absolute bonkers.

Thousands of Irish emigrants live in US, so if their parent or sibling dies, it's tough luck you can't come home? If you say make it only Irish citizens or Irish residents it might be a bit more practical but still can't see that happening.

Jinglejangle69 · 13-07-2020 04:49PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Thousands of Irish emigrants live in US, so if their parent or sibling dies, it's tough luck you can't come home? If you say make it only Irish citizens or Irish residents it might be a bit more practical but still can't see that happening.

Isn't that what happend to us all here when the virus was high here?

People couldn't attend funerals.

America is out of control.

I see no difference.

dublinman1990 · 13-07-2020 04:50PM

Italian Doctors are warning that COVID-19 is not just a respiratory disease but a killer affecting the whole body.

The long-term effects of COVID-19, even on people who suffered a mild infection, could be far worse than was originally anticipated, according to researchers and doctors in northern Italy.

Psychosis, insomnia, kidney disease, spinal infections, strokes, chronic tiredness and mobility issues are being identified in former coronavirus patients in Lombardy, the worst-affected region in the country.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-warning-from-italy-effects-of-covid-19-could-be-worse-than-first-thought-12027348

For anyone who has had Covid-19 even as a mild infection. You should read this as a warning from the doctors in Italy immediately if you have recovered from the virus yourself or if you have had other family members or friends suffering from it & recovering from it in the past.

Eod100 · 13-07-2020 04:53PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Isn't that what happend to us all here when the virus was high here?

People couldn't attend funerals.

America is out of control.

I see no difference.

I think mandatory quarantine would deter a lot of people from coming if it's not for non-essential travel.

If it's you have to stay in say Citywest for 14 days, unless for hardship exceptions like travelling for funeral or to visit terminally ill relative (once you have negative test) then numbers would drop.

dloob · 13-07-2020 04:54PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Why is banning flights not realistic?

Trump banned European flights as Europe was a hotspot.

America is a hotspot now.

Absolute bonkers.

Trump didn't ban flights, he banned entry for EU citizens on non essential trips.
If you look back there were still flights everyday from Italy even at the height of things there.
That said I see no reason why we can't ban US citizens from entry for the time being.

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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