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Aer Lingus Fleet/ Routes Discussion Pt 2 (ALL possible routes included)

  • 14-04-2020 7:31pm
    #1
    AMKC
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    Ms


    WishUWereHere wrote: »
    Thanks for sharing this. On opening the page, I saw the following on the scroll bar on the RH side:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4_t7a0gXRQ

    On 1m23, there is a TU 134 belonging to Aeroflot taking off. Did Aeroflot fly regularly then between Dublin & ( I guess ) Moscow?

    I think some people on hear have said it used to be regular alright. I would not no be sure but I am sure there was some talk about on here a while back. Someone on here who knows more about it might give you a better answer.

    Mod note: There is to be no discussion of potential services to Las Vegas unless and until an official press release exists

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.

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  • #2
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,181 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Sheep Shagger wrote: »
    Not feasible to have the fleet in it given the players featured change, their respray bill would be astronomical.

    The players are decals. Be some job painting them on!


  • #3
    EchoIndia
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    WishUWereHere wrote: »
    Thanks for sharing this. On opening the page, I saw the following on the scroll bar on the RH side:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4_t7a0gXRQ

    On 1m23, there is a TU 134 belonging to Aeroflot taking off. Did Aeroflot fly regularly then between Dublin & ( I guess ) Moscow?


    Yes, weekly on Saturdays.


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  • #4
    eam77
    Registered Users Posts: 70 ✭✭eam77


    Anyone know why ei-lrc is in Boston for over 24 hours now?


  • #5
    goingnowhere
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    She is coming home

    Wouldn't surprise me if they flew in, night stopped and flew out again


  • #6
    basill
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    eam77 wrote: »
    Anyone know why ei-lrc is in Boston for over 24 hours now?


    Its not daily at the moment.


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  • #7
    random_banter
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    EchoIndia wrote: »
    Yes, weekly on Saturdays.

    .......................

    Sorry for the off topic but I saw this and had to add that I flew on this with my mum to Moscow. I was only 9 and didn't give a hoot but she was convinced the aircraft was going to come apart. :)


  • #8
    Shamrockj
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    Anyone know what will happen to -EIN and -EIK ? Possible -EIN kept in storage? -EIK is still in the Qatar reg so maybe they havent signed it over yet.


  • #9
    Tenger
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    Shamrockj wrote: »
    Anyone know what will happen to -EIN and -EIK ? Possible -EIN kept in storage? -EIK is still in the Qatar reg so maybe they havent signed it over yet.

    I'm guessing the lease for A7-AEH/EI-EIK will be politely declined (if it hasn't already) As ylu pointed out it has A7 decals currently in place.
    It's parked nicely in front of the new ATC Tower. Visible in the pic of the recent beam of light.

    EIN will depend on whether it was a lease or a wholly IAG purchase. The latter might indicate entry into service in 2-4 months?
    Willie Walsh did hint at EI retiring "a couple of A330s". But again, that's just my opinionbased on consolidating down to most cost effective and capable aircraft.


  • #10
    goingnowhere
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    EIN was accepted from Airbus and is in Brussels for cabin fit out, its on the EI register.


  • #11
    Nibs05
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    Are the PPE flights finished, I was under the impression they would be continuing through April and may. Thanks.


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  • #12
    Qprmeath
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    Nibs05 wrote: »
    Are the PPE flights finished, I was under the impression they would be continuing through April and may. Thanks.

    Back next week


  • #13
    [Deleted User]
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    Nibs05 wrote: »
    Are the PPE flights finished, I was under the impression they would be continuing through April and may. Thanks.

    They are waiting on production to catch up. There however is two Hainan 787’s in this week and other supplies from Europe. The Aer Lingus China run is no longer the only show in town.


  • #14
    Tenger
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    2 flights planned for Saturday.
    When first announced it was stated 50-60 flights in total. Each batch of supplies to be approx 600 tons.
    So probably a other 2-3 weeks of flights then another pause. Not sure how many 'batches' of supplies are planned.


  • #15
    Cookiemunster
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    They are waiting on production to catch up. There however is two Hainan 787’s in this week and other supplies from Europe. The Aer Lingus China run is no longer the only show in town.

    There's been two Qatar Cargo 777s into SNN over the last two weeks too.


  • #16
    joeysoap
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    Watching building Ireland on Rte ( Dublin airport) earlier. And there was a photo of an airport ‘buggy’ with passengers on it. Brought back memories of a school trip. And we all taken out on a similar buggy to the edge of the runway to watch pilots making aborted landings, taking (probably Viscounts?) down to within a few feet of landing and then overflying the runway,

    Great memories, wouldn’t happen now of course. I can still remember the noise and how uncomfortable the trailer was. Tryin to remember when, early 60’s I think.


  • #17
    goingnowhere
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    EI9018 and EI9020 scheduled for Saturday to PEK


  • #18
    goingnowhere
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    FNH is off as the 9018 today to PEK

    9018 and 9020 also scheduled for Sunday


  • #19
    Kcormahs
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    ‘’Dubai giant to take over Aer Lingus catering
    Options for staff include secondment, redeployment or voluntary severance‘’


    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/business/irish/dubai-giant-to-take-over-aer-lingus-catering-39155731.html


  • #20
    Tenger
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    I’m going to guess the redeployment elsewhere in the airline. option isn’t too attractive in the current situation.
    Having read the article the voluntary redundancy looks attractive at the moment.


  • #21
    smurfjed
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    The redundancy package appears attractive for those with tenure


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  • #22
    Elaine762
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    Tenger wrote: »
    I’m going to guess the redeployment elsewhere in the airline. option isn’t too attractive in the current situation.
    Having read the article the voluntary redundancy looks attractive at the moment.

    That redundancy program was planned before covid19 impacted the airline industry. I am not sure they would be able to offer it to cabin crew and pilots with the impact they are having. They will probably just cut jobs from the bottom, no?


  • #23
    Kermit.de.frog
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    Just seen on the news wire Aer Lingus seeking 900 job cuts.

    Can't find further info yet.


  • #24
    Inquitus
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    smurfjed wrote: »
    The redundancy package appears attractive for those with tenure

    Aye it would want to be a very decent redundancy though for pilots no? If not near retirement, it is unlikely they would find a new job in a hurry in the current environment. You'd want the equivalent of at least 2 years net wages to see you through this downturn in air travel no?


  • #25
    Kutebride
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    Was surprised to see the usual 3 flights Dublin to Heathrow depart yesterday in non-essential travel. Just curious for 3 flights. Could understand maybe one for essential travel whoever that may be in this time.

    900 is a lot of employees.


  • #26
    Irish Steve
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    Heathrow flights are freight and mail, among other things, very few if any passengers on them

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



  • #27
    LXFlyer
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    Kutebride wrote: »
    Was surprised to see the usual 3 flights Dublin to Heathrow depart yesterday in non-essential travel. Just curious for 3 flights. Could understand maybe one for essential travel whoever that may be in this time.

    900 is a lot of employees.

    I already answered that in the Flightradar24 thread.

    Aer Lingus carry a large amount of freight in the belly of their aircraft. They don’t just carry passengers like the low-cost airlines such as Ryanair and EasyJet.

    People are forgetting that goods (including medical supplies) have to come into and out of the country.

    Heathrow has a global cargo hub that uses regular scheduled passenger services to distribute goods and that is what would be the principal reason for the Aer Lingus flights.

    There are virtually no passengers on any of the flights - only people repatriating home or essential travellers.

    We need to get this into perspective.

    Right now Aer Lingus are playing their part, small as it is, in helping to keep distribution channels into and out of Ireland open.


  • #28
    goingnowhere
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    So much freight that a A330 is used to LHR sometimes

    The A321NEO isn't great on volume but over a short range it can carry a fair bit of weight


  • #29
    shaveAbullock
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    Hey, this may be the wrong place for this but I think some posters on here may have the knowledge to answer this.

    2 of my friends from the states have booked to fly from SFO to Dublin with Aer Lingus on the 27th of june for a holiday, they will be staying for 2 weeks and traveling all around the country.
    Flights were booked before restrictions came in to place.
    Now with the new guidelines of easing of restrictions it is clear there will be no hotels for them to stay in while here.

    Where do you think this will leave them with regards to a refund? The flights are still listed as going ahead but they can't go 2 weeks with no accommodation.


  • #30
    smurfjed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,265 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Aye it would want to be a very decent redundancy though for pilots no? If not near retirement, it is unlikely they would find a new job in a hurry in the current environment. You'd want the equivalent of at least 2 years net wages to see you through this downturn in air travel no?
    The redundancy package that we were discussing related to CATERING, it has no bearing on any future packages that EI may offer.


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  • #31
    sherology
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    shaveAbullock wrote: »
    Hey, this may be the wrong place for this but I think some posters on here may have the knowledge to answer this.

    2 of my friends from the states have booked to fly from SFO to Dublin with Aer Lingus on the 27th of june for a holiday, they will be staying for 2 weeks and traveling all around the country.
    Flights were booked before restrictions came in to place.
    Now with the new guidelines of easing of restrictions it is clear there will be no hotels for them to stay in while here.

    Where do you think this will leave them with regards to a refund? The flights are still listed as going ahead but they can't go 2 weeks with no accommodation.

    It's unlikely their flights will actually go... SFO isn't currently operating and I can't see any reason for it to restart until autumn. Routes (JFK,BOS,ORD) that are flying are pretty much cargo with a few repatriation passengers.

    Expect more information towards the end of May as EI figure out what their doing and not doing, and they'll be able to rebook, get a voucher, or eventually a refund (I would assume). Just keep an eye on it but your friends should assume they're not coming over (mentally) and as June approaches, watch for the ability to request a free change or a voucher etc.


  • #32
    Kutebride
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    Thanks for this. Absolutely. Well aware that goods and cargo need to keep moving and passengers too for essential medical treatment outside our country, for example.
    I was curious why three pax flights in total depart each day. Expect they are making full use of these crafts for goods and cargo.
    If scheduled flights are departing and pax who are booked are not flying, can refunds be expected in this instance.
    LXFlyer wrote: »
    I already answered that in the Flightradar24 thread.

    Aer Lingus carry a large amount of freight in the belly of their aircraft. They don’t just carry passengers like the low-cost airlines such as Ryanair and EasyJet.

    People are forgetting that goods (including medical supplies) have to come into and out of the country.

    Heathrow has a global cargo hub that uses regular scheduled passenger services to distribute goods and that is what would be the principal reason for the Aer Lingus flights.

    There are virtually no passengers on any of the flights - only people repatriating home or essential travellers.

    We need to get this into perspective.

    Right now Aer Lingus are playing their part, small as it is, in helping to keep distribution channels into and out of Ireland open.


  • #33
    goingnowhere
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    If the flight operates or the carrier rebooked you such that it is within the limits set down by EC261 and that flight operates. You are entitled to nothing in terms of a refund bar the usual taxes.

    If the flight is cancelled and any alternative is outside the limits set down by Ec261, refund is due.


    EI has a had to add an extra LHR-BHD flight to address demand, so people are moving around.


  • #34
    easypazz
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    They are paid to provide a service, empty or full makes no difference to operator and likely be no saving for taxpayer by suspending.

    I wonder will the airports close on a temporary basis soon though, considering there must be nearly zero flights arriving.

    I assume they are getting the government covid wage subsidy, which can't last either.


  • #35
    de biz
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    Credit Irish Times

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/state-owned-airports-seek-regional-funding-cuts-1.4245511

    The Regional Airport additional state funding and PSO route cost is referenced in the article from the Irish Times yesterday 05 May.


  • #36
    Nibs05
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    EI-EIN showing arriving at 15:05


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  • #37
    joeysoap
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    Kutebride wrote: »
    Thanks for this. Absolutely. Well aware that goods and cargo need to keep moving and passengers too for essential medical treatment outside our country, for example.
    I was curious why three pax flights in total depart each day. Expect they are making full use of these crafts for goods and cargo.
    If scheduled flights are departing and pax who are booked are not flying, can refunds be expected in this instance.

    Al are offering a free change flight. Anyone with a flight booked, and who are unlikely to fly should take up the offer. If the flight goes ahead they will lose out if they don’t fly.


  • #38
    ozzy jr
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    The times on the DUB - PEK route are very appealing, if you've ever travelled to that part of the world.

    Leaving Dublin at 14.30 gets you into Beijing at about 7.00 - 7.30 the next morning.

    Leaving Beijing at 10.00 would get back to Dublin at approx 14.00.

    Would that be in time to make the last trans Atlantic departure of the day?

    I know it's unlikely to happen, just curious if the turn around times are possible.


  • #39
    Irish Steve
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    Just moved a discussion about Saudia flight to Dublin, new thread can be found at https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058076868

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



  • #40
    Tenger
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    ozzy jr wrote: »
    The times on the DUB - PEK route are very appealing, if you've ever travelled to that part of the world.

    Leaving Dublin at 14.30 gets you into Beijing at about 7.00 - 7.30 the next morning.

    Leaving Beijing at 10.00 would get back to Dublin at approx 14.00.

    Would that be in time to make the last trans Atlantic departure of the day?

    I know it's unlikely to happen, just curious if the turn around times are possible.

    There are multiple DUB-PEK departures each day. Based on loading windows in PEK.
    No chance that any potential passenger route would use the same times.


  • #41
    ozzy jr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,519 ✭✭✭ozzy jr


    Tenger wrote: »
    There are multiple DUB-PEK departures each day. Based on loading windows in PEK.
    No chance that any potential passenger route would use the same times.

    Yeah I know that, I'm just asking in a fantasy world would those times work.


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  • #42
    Irish Steve
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    ozzy jr wrote: »
    Yeah I know that, I'm just asking in a fantasy world would those times work.


    There's also the complication that to operate that route could mean 2 airframes, and there's very little slack in there for maintenance and cleaning between flights.



    While it would look like the cargo flights are going to be needed for some time to come, I can't see a passenger service requirement being viable for quite some time to come, a daily flight is likely to have low utilisation, and while the present exceptional cargo flights are being operated by crew that travel out with the aircraft, that would not be possible in the same way with passenger services, so a regular passenger service would be a very different scenario.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



  • #43
    WishUWereHere
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    Also, didn't Hainan already run a PEK-Dub service, but pulled it due to poor load factors?


  • #44
    Kcormahs
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    how many redundancies at Aer Lingus? why was the Friday meeting cancelled?

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/aer-lingus-postpones-meeting-with-unions-1.4248453


  • #45
    California Dreamer
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    ozzy jr wrote: »

    Leaving Dublin at 14.30 gets you into Beijing at about 7.00 - 7.30 the next morning.

    Leaving Beijing at 10.00 would get back to Dublin at approx 14.00.

    3 hours on the ground for the crews? Enough time to get some good chinese food and some duty free smokes?


  • #46
    Tenger
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    Kcormahs wrote: »
    how many redundancies at Aer Lingus? why was the Friday meeting cancelled?

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/aer-lingus-postpones-meeting-with-unions-1.4248453

    "up to 900" and "No info" are the answers you were looking for.


  • #47
    AndyBoBandy
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    Random post so as to subscribe to the new thread;

    n9koiwjf473z.jpg
    Aer-Lingus-747-Steve-Williams-1103x640.jpg

    And last but not least, one of the finest angle shots of one of the finest aircraft flying today (IMO) - They just look so good after take off from this angle!!

    AerLingus-A330-620x350.jpg


  • #48
    basill
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    Tenger wrote: »
    "up to 900" and "No info" are the answers you were looking for.


    "Could", and "may lead to" also as part of a "reported" 20% cost saving that allegedly EI wants.

    900 was 4500 (existing number of EI employees) * 1/5. Possibly but can't categorically say that this piece of Pulitzer winning journalism might have originated from a redtop and has quickly gained traction as it makes easy clickbait.


  • #49
    Jack1985
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    basill wrote: »
    "Could", and "may lead to" also as part of a "reported" 20% cost saving that allegedly EI wants.

    900 was 4500 (existing number of EI employees) * 1/5. Possibly but can't categorically say that this piece of Pulitzer winning journalism might have originated from a redtop and has quickly gained traction as it makes easy clickbait.

    Willie Walsh confirmed up to 900 layoffs.


  • #50
    MoeJay
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    Jack1985 wrote: »
    Willie Walsh confirmed up to 900 layoffs.

    When did he say that?


  • #51
    Nijmegen
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    The issue as he pointed out in his Commons committee virtual appearance (when asked if he was picking on British Airways given the numbers had been firmed up on them) is that the process for redundancy in the UK is different to that in Spain and Ireland. In the UK you can click your fingers more easily and say "This many", whereas formally in Ireland you need to go through a consultation process where alternatives to redundancy are considered over a fixed minimum period of time.
    These consultations must take place at the earliest opportunity and at least 30 days before the notice of redundancy is given. The aim of the consultation is to consider whether there are any alternatives to the redundancies.

    So while you can have an idea of numbers based on the type of cost savings the business identifies it requires at the outset, you would be setting yourself up for expensive employment cases if you say "900 jobs will go", as the results of the consultation process cannot be a foregone conclusion in law.

    Now, the practice may well be (and everyone in the room knows it) that the consultation process will end in a pretty fixed result. But saying so formally at the outset is a quick way to lose money.

    That's why you're not hearing firm numbers for EI where you have them for BA.


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