Aer Lingus Fleet/ Routes Discussion Pt 2 (ALL possible routes included)

Tenger

HTCOne wrote: »

I think any EU citizen or person permitted to work in the EU is allowed on the eastbound flights.

I didn't think there were any restrictions going Eastbound.

EchoIndia

pm. wrote: »

Looking at flight radar it looks like the US has not been effected by covid. When do you think we will see passanger flights return to the US?

Huge numbers of airliners have been grounded in the USA and some will not fly again. This may give some idea. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTocssiYt3s

HTCOne

Tenger wrote: »

I didn't think there were any restrictions going Eastbound.

There was a 30 ban on non EU citizens or people eligible to work in EU but that was March/April so I'm probably totally out of date now

Tenger

HTCOne wrote: »

There was a 30 ban on non EU citizens or people eligible to work in EU but that was March/April so I'm probably totally out of date now

I obviously missed that. I thought it was just individual EU countries stopping non-citizens entering.

I know of an Irish family who had to travel to Germany for medical reasons in late March. They had to obtain specific permission from German border police by going through the embassy here in Dublin.

Mc Love

cson wrote: »

Right now I believe the only people who can fly to the US from Ireland (and vice versa) would be (i) US (or Irish) National repatriating, (ii) Irish Green Card holders and (iii) Dual US/Irish passport holders.

The thing is if these flights are going ahead, the crew will have to stop over. Will they be made quarantine for 14 days when they come back from the US? Afaik the OH is down for the US towards the end of June.

Jamie2k9

Mc Love wrote: »

The thing is if these flights are going ahead, the crew will have to stop over. Will they be made quarantine for 14 days when they come back from the US? Afaik the OH is down for the US towards the end of June.

Exempt.

Tenger

Mc Love wrote: »

The thing is if these flights are going ahead, the crew will have to stop over. Will they be made quarantine for 14 days when they come back from the US? Afaik the OH is down for the US towards the end of June.

As per guidelines from March, aircrew are exempt from isolation instructions.
Similar to medical and food sector workers they are deemed "essential"

Mc Love

Yeah thought as much.

goingnowhere

EI did not night stop in NYC until this week, this was a safety measure

Nightstopping in ORD/BOS continued

pm.

Mc Love wrote: »

The thing is if these flights are going ahead, the crew will have to stop over. Will they be made quarantine for 14 days when they come back from the US? Afaik the OH is down for the US towards the end of June.

Hi McLove

Is your wife traveling to a different US location other than the 3 that are already serviced? I am being selfish in my question as we are due to travel on 1st Aug to LAX

I think if they are flying and the 14 day quarantine is lifted we will go, I don't think we could afford to fly transatlantic when we loose competition from the industry over the next couple of years

Mc Love

pm. wrote: »

Hi McLove

Is your wife traveling to a different US location other than the 3 that are already serviced? I am being selfish in my question as we are due to travel on 1st Aug to LAX

I think if they are flying and the 14 day quarantine is lifted we will go, I don't think we could afford to fly transatlantic when we loose competition from the industry over the next couple of years

No mostly JFK/BOS and sometimes ORD. Funnily even she knows as much as some of the posters on here, often finds it annoying that I know more about the company she works for before she does

Tenger

Mc Love wrote: »

No mostly JFK/BOS and sometimes ORD. Funnily even she knows as much as some of the posters on here, often finds it annoying that I know more about the company she works for before she does

From my time as crew I can attest that it is quite a isolated part of the company. Crew check in, go off on their flight(s), walk to their car and go home. They only ever really talk to each other or the flight crew if on a TA duty.
Meanwhile the check in/boarding staff mingle with engineers, flights operations, dispatchers, station Mngr’s, baggage handlers and various other staff throughout the day. Information moves a lot quicker in such an environment.

(When I joined EI crew we didn’t even go into the terminal. We were in the old Tech Building and got airside via what is now the executive security point. I didn’t even know what shops were in the terminal for a couple of years!)

Jack1985

Tenger wrote: »

From my time as crew I can attest that it is quite a isolated part of the company. Crew check in, go off on their flight(s), walk to their car and go home. They only ever really talk to each other or the flight crew if on a TA duty...Meanwhile the check in/boarding staff mingle with engineers, flights operations, dispatchers, station Mngr’s, baggage handlers and various other staff throughout the day. Information moves a lot quicker in such an environment.

Depends what fleet you were on, majority are very familiar with who they work with.

joeysoap

I though there was 2 complete crews on TA’s one manning each flight and while the other rests ( no other paying passenger in business class only crew?)

Jack1985

joeysoap wrote: »

I though there was 2 complete crews on TA’s one manning each flight and while the other rests ( no other paying passenger in business class only crew?)

There was when crew were operating round-trips, overnights have now returned on JFK.

Van.Bosch

Out of curiosity what hotel wold crew stay in while over nightingale in JFK? Assume they would typically (pre Covid) stay in Manhattan?

Jack1985

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Out of curiosity what hotel wold crew stay in while over nightingale in JFK? Assume they would typically (pre Covid) stay in Manhattan?

For security reasons, that information is not available for the general public.

Van.Bosch

Jack1985 wrote: »

For security reasons, that information is not available for the general public.

Of course - makes sense, never thought of that.

I guess they use different hotels too so it doesn’t become known where they would be

Mc Love

Jack1985 wrote: »

Depends what fleet you were on, majority are very familiar with who they work with.

Maybe in one of the smaller bases but not Dublin, you might not even know any of the crew you're working with but it is rare.

Tenger

Mc Love wrote: »

Maybe in one of the smaller bases but not Dublin, you might not even know any of the crew you're working with but it is rare.

True enough. I was referring more to the transmissibility of rumours and/or info.
More senior crew will have built up friendships and relationships with non crew over their service.
I was making a point that 'relative' to other EI staff the cabin/flight crew are quite stand alone. Its the nature of their role.
It's not a criticism, just an informed observation.

Mc Love

Didnt take as a critique at all. I totally agree it is very "lonely".

Jack1985

Mc Love wrote: »

Maybe in one of the smaller bases but not Dublin, you might not even know any of the crew you're working with but it is rare.

As I pointed out it depends on the fleet you operated on, if your a new entrant in the last 5 years its a big base now.

If your ex-Commuter, Continental or the 757 as of late you are very familiar with your colleagues.

Tenger

Jack1985 wrote: »

..........If your ex-Commuter, Continental or the 757 as of late you are very familiar with your colleagues.

Oh the memories of being “CON-tinen-TAL!! (Needs a D4 accent)

Before my time however. The Cahill Plan of 1993-94 merged TA and Continental into a single fleet but with several “weighted categories”.

The B757 subfleet by all comments from my EI mates did seem to be a throwback to the Aer Lingus of the 1990s, where the flight and cabin crew were very well acquainted with each other.
Great sense of camaraderie. Socialising outside of work was very common.
Many of the ASL flight crew were actually ex EI pilots.

Jack1985

Tenger wrote: »

Oh the memories of being “CON-tinen-TAL!! (Needs a D4 accent)

Before my time however. The Cahill Plan of 1993-94 merged TA and Continental into a single fleet but with several “weighted categories”.

They still will remind you they are from those fleets...

Tenger

Jack1985 wrote: »

They still will remind you they are from those fleets...

You can do the same in a decade or two, inform some whippersnapper that you remember the A330s. “What’s a 330?”

L1011

With some of the last off the line I could see EI being the Air Transat of 330ceos tbh.

Its ideally suited for mission profiles in a way that nothing else on the market currently is; albeit something larger would be useful for the core three US routes when demand recovers.

Tenger

Just saw this pop up on my newsfeed:

Shannon crew “temporarily” laid off.
DUB and ORK crew down to 30% salary.
New working procedures.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0527/1142996-aer-lingus-jobs/

PukkaStukka

Tenger wrote: »

Just saw this pop up on my newsfeed:

Shannon crew “temporarily” laid off.
DUB and ORK crew down to 30% salary.
New working procedures.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0527/1142996-aer-lingus-jobs/

So much for the position being the status quo remained till June 21st

smurfjed

They are committed to the status quo until the 21st.

PukkaStukka

So the layoffs are from then and not immediately?