Almost every position the left has, is actually just an attack on Christian beliefs?

tomofson · 18-12-2018 4:23pm

SusieBlue wrote: »

Instead of judging maybe you could try having a bit of compassion.
No one called you a white devil, bar yourself. You seem to have a bizarre persecution complex.
You don't have to feel guilty but you don't even judge them either.

You mock & judge their level of intelligence when they simply do not have the same educational opportunities as we do. Its shameful.

I have never mocked them, I am just a realist.

Regardless of how hurtful these truths are we must learn to accept them, it will end better for us all if we do.

ohnonotgmail · 18-12-2018 4:25pm

tomofson wrote: »

No, it wasn't part of their inherent "cultural" now was it?

No it wasnt. Do you think that their lives were enhanced when white people invaded? What exactly is your point apart from out and out racism?

tomofson · 18-12-2018 4:26pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

No it wasnt. Do you think that their lives were enhanced when white people invaded? What exactly is your point apart from out and out racism?

That white guilt should end now.
No more apologies
No more shame.

SusieBlue · 18-12-2018 4:26pm

tomofson wrote: »

I have never mocked them, I am just a realist.

Regardless of how hurtful these truths are we must learn to accept them, it will end better for us all if we do.

You view yourself as superior when you have had far more opportunities to succeed and prosper than they have.
That's not being a realist, that's being delusional.

tomofson · 18-12-2018 4:28pm

SusieBlue wrote: »

You view yourself as superior when you have had far more opportunities to succeed and prosper than they have.
That's not being a realist, that's being delusional.

I do not as an individual feel I am superior to anyone.

Are you female?

ohnonotgmail · 18-12-2018 4:28pm

tomofson wrote: »

That white guilt should end now.
No more apologies
No more shame.

Sieg Heil.

SusieBlue · 18-12-2018 4:28pm

tomofson wrote: »

I do not as an individual feel I am superior to anyone.

Are you female?

What relevance does being female have in this conversation?

tomofson · 18-12-2018 4:29pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Sieg Heil.

So because I am not filled with white guilt to the point I want to kill myself automatically makes me a neo nazi?

sk8erboii · 18-12-2018 4:29pm

SusieBlue wrote: »

What relevance does being female have in this conversation?

he's wondering if you'll help him lose his virginity

tomofson · 18-12-2018 4:29pm

SusieBlue wrote: »

What relevance does being female have in this conversation?

I just want to understand you better as a person.

Triceratops Ballet · 18-12-2018 4:32pm

tomofson wrote: »

That white guilt should end now.
No more apologies
No more shame.

What has it to do with Christianity though? Christianity ≠ White, White ≠Christianity.

Lux23 · 18-12-2018 4:34pm

tomofson wrote: »

I just want to understand you better as a person.

Are you female?

ohnonotgmail · 18-12-2018 4:36pm

tomofson wrote: »

So because I am not filled with white guilt to the point I want to kill myself automatically makes me a neo nazi?

well you are a racist and white supremacist so if the cap fits ...

dr.fuzzenstein · 18-12-2018 4:37pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Deuteronomy 32:8 "

So we should take everything in this book literally? Amazing how the bible crowd tell us to ignore this particular book when you point out the horrific things in it. It would but the koran to shame.

The problem starts when we take the Bible seriously. Or any religious texts.
But the issue is not with the text, the issue lies with humans.
Only we could take the concept of "love one another" and reinterpret it as "if you don't want to be my brother, I'll bash your skull in". Communism, "let's share what we got" as "anyone who doesn't agree gets put in a Gulag". Capitalism "let's create wealth for everyone" as "I am going to fcuk everyone and keep all the money". At least despots and dictators are honest. "Do as I say or your head will be chopped off".
Humans beings are nasty, selfish and violent arseholes. We poison the planet we're on and each other and that is just greed and stupidity. The real fun starts when it comes to doing nasty sh*t to each other on purpose.
We invented the concept of genocide, holy war, concentration camps, using mass rape as a weapon, discounting people who are different to us (be that in appearance or beliefs) as "subhuman", using famine as a tool of war and the very best thing is, we regard anyone who engages in this kind of vile behaviour as a "hero" and "we did what had to be done".

Anyon who disparages other groups of humans based on whatever argument is part of the problem, rather than part of the solution.
The may suffer from severe Arseholeitis.

tomofson · 18-12-2018 4:39pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

well you are a racist and white supremacist so if the cap fits ...

According to some afro centrist every white person is a racist and a white supremacist.

But no I do not hate anyone because of their race and I don't want to rule over anyone because of their race so im actually neither of those things.

ohnonotgmail · 18-12-2018 4:40pm

tomofson wrote: »

According to some afro centrist every white person is a racist and a white supremacist.

According to your posts you are a racist and white supremacist.

tomofson · 18-12-2018 4:41pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

According to your posts you are a racist and white supremacist.

According to your interpretation.

xckjoo · 18-12-2018 4:43pm

tomofson wrote: »

No, its not all about me, I am not that selfish.
I care more about other people than I do myself.

Well it didn't take long for the truth of that statement to come out. Funny how "Christian" quickly turned into "White Person".

tomofson wrote: »

That white guilt should end now.
No more apologies
No more shame.

tomofson wrote: »

You can when its their fault.
White people bend over backwards to help everyone else on earth and I am still supposed to feel guilty and consider myself a "white devil"?

tomofson wrote: »

Some of the wealth should have been used to help the local population I agree with you there.
But the reality is those native peoples sat on all those resources for thousands of years and didn't even know what they do with them, they didn't know how to mine, how to farm on a large scale, not even how to build a wheel.
Since they were letting it all go to waste I believe europeans had a right to make the most of it.

tomofson wrote: »

I don't think anyone would adapt well at starving to death, blame the corrupt african governments and the international banking cliques for why people are starving to death in africa. Not just evil whitey.

The only person talking about guilt is you. I feel zero guilt towards people of other nationalities, race, religion, etc. I just think they're also people and should be treated as people.

tomofson wrote: »

I have never mocked them, I am just a realist.
Regardless of how hurtful these truths are we must learn to accept them, it will end better for us all if we do.

Truths so concrete you still can't provide anything to back it up?

ohnonotgmail · 18-12-2018 4:45pm

tomofson wrote: »

According to your interpretation.

you have been quite plain and blatant about it. no interpretation required.

tomofson · 18-12-2018 4:45pm

xckjoo wrote: »

The only person talking about guilt is you. I feel zero guilt towards people of other nationalities, race, religion, etc. I just think they're also people and should be treated as people.

So you think exactly like me then

xckjoo · 18-12-2018 4:49pm

tomofson wrote: »

So you think exactly like me then

Not even close by the looks of it. The more you post the less you sound like you've based your opinions on anything other than notions. Don't try and justify your own views by pretending everyone else is on the same page but too afraid to say it.

tomofson · 18-12-2018 4:51pm

xckjoo wrote: »

Not even close by the looks of it. The more you post the less you sound like you've based your opinions on anything other than notions. Don't try and justify your own views by pretending everyone else is on the same page but too afraid to say it.

I can tell you for a fact at least one other person is on the same page.

tomofson · 18-12-2018 4:54pm

Lux23 wrote: »

Are you female?

No, I am the left wings definition of the devil.

White,male and heterosexual.

James Brown · 18-12-2018 4:57pm

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

I do not want to copy and paste entire articles so I will post a link to one I like when I put in the Google search why the left hate the Bible.
When I was younger I was very leftwing myself but as I grew older I grew out of it.

https://wsau.com/blogs/ben-armstrong-blog/20344/rebelling-against-god-is-actually-whats-behind-almost-all-left-wing-beliefs/

People use religion as a control. There's nobody better than your betters to tell you Jesus wouldn't agree with you.
The left being traditionally non-religious wouldn't be doing that, which is Ironic as Jesus was a socialist, based on the stories.

To be fair any adult who believes in Angels and faries shouldn't be allowed out unaccompanied, IMO.

DS86DS · 18-12-2018 5:04pm

tomofson wrote: »

Europeans evolving past empathy feelings, who invents all the cures for diseases? who is dedicated to getting rid of poverty? Who will bend over backwards to prove they are not racist and make immigrants feel at home?

And to your first point of course because they had the intelligence for engineering and scientific fields.

Very productive people turned a wasteland into very productive soil.

For those few sins white people have committed in the past I am sure with our technologies and medical procedures we have more than made up for it now.

Europeans and people of European descent are responsible for 97% of the accomplishments in the field of science.

An absolute fact of history that no Leftist can spin no matter how much it pains them to admit.

tomofson · 18-12-2018 5:06pm

DS86DS wrote: »

Europeans and people of European descent are responsible for 97% of the accomplishments in the field of science.

An absolute fact of history that no Leftist can spin no matter how much it pains them to admit.

Its all because us evil white devils, yes every single white person on earth without any exception is an evil white supremacist racist whose only goal in life is to hold down the brothas.

Now lets all sit back and wait for zimbabwe part two currently going ahead right now in south africa.

Triceratops Ballet · 18-12-2018 5:07pm

tomofson wrote: »

Its all because us evil white devils, yes every single white person on earth without any exception is an evil white supremacist racist whose only goal in life is to hold down the brothas.

They are your words and literally the words of no other person on the thread. that is a fact.

It's also nothing to do with Christianity and "the left"

tomofson · 18-12-2018 5:08pm

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

They are your words and literally the words of no other person on the thread. that is a fact.

It's also nothing to do with Christianity and "the left"

You haven't heard many afro centrist talk have you?

Triceratops Ballet · 18-12-2018 5:09pm

tomofson wrote: »

You haven't heard many afro centrist talk have you?

on this thread no I haven't.

tomofson · 18-12-2018 5:10pm

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

on this thread no I haven't.

Would you like me to link some videos? or even name a few for you to look up?

DS86DS · 18-12-2018 5:11pm

xckjoo wrote: »

So mass genocide, enslavement, torture, rape, etc are "a few sins" in your eyes. Very Christian of you.

What is it with brain dead leftists that put all of this at the feet of Europeans, and only Europeans? Why are leftists so lazy that they cannot even study some history to see that all cultures have engaged in these activities?

And as for slavery and torture, it was white Christians who were first to abolish these activities. They are STILL happening in the Islamic World.

dr.fuzzenstein · 18-12-2018 5:12pm

tomofson wrote: »

No, I am the left wings definition of the devil.

White,male and heterosexual.

Nothing wrong with being white, hetero or male, personally I go by the old "don't be a cnut" principle.
Never be cruel, never be cowardly and never eat pears.

And never condem an entire group of people.
Judging others because they share the same sex, ethnicity, backround, religion, or skin color is an extremely cnutish thing to do.

ohnonotgmail · 18-12-2018 5:12pm

DS86DS wrote: »

Europeans and people of European descent are responsible for 97% of the accomplishments in the field of science.

An absolute fact of history that no Leftist can spin no matter how much it pains them to admit.

Of course you do have a source that backs that up, right? And a link to stormfront doesn't count.

Triceratops Ballet · 18-12-2018 5:16pm

tomofson wrote: »

Would you like me to link some videos? or even name a few for you to look up?

So you can link to videos for this, but not for any of the other "facts" you have put forth so far in this discussion, which was originally about Christianity which apparently is now a synonym for white?

tomofson · 18-12-2018 5:18pm

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

So you can link to videos for this, but not for any of the other "facts" you have put forth so far in this discussion, which was originally about Christianity which apparently is now a synonym for white?

What I have stated is common sense, I notice how you don't condemn black racist for saying even worse than anything I have said.

Now would you like me to name a few afro centic black nationalists you can look up?

tomofson · 18-12-2018 5:19pm

DS86DS wrote: »

What is it with brain dead leftists that put all of this at the feet of Europeans, and only Europeans? Why are leftists so lazy that they cannot even study some history to see that all cultures have engaged in these activities?

And as for slavery and torture, it was white Christians who were first to abolish these activities. They are STILL happening in the Islamic World.

Whites are the only people they believe must have an eternal guilt complex.

DS86DS · 18-12-2018 5:20pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Of course you do have a source that backs that up, right? And a link to stormfront doesn't count.

Nothing to do with Stormfront. One example among many is the study 'Human Accomplishment' by Charles Murray

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Accomplishment

Triceratops Ballet · 18-12-2018 5:23pm

tomofson wrote: »

What I have stated is common sense, I notice how you don't condemn black racist for saying even worse than anything I have said.

Now would you like me to name a few afro centic black nationalists you can look up?

I haven't actually condemned anything you have said either, I mean I think it's deplorable, I think anyone of any race or creed who spouts bs based on stereotypes or mistruths is pretty deplorable, so in that way I would think of both white and black supremacist in exactly equal terms.

tomofson · 18-12-2018 5:25pm

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

I haven't actually condemned anything you have said either, I mean I think it's deplorable, I think anyone of any race or creed who spouts bs based on stereotypes or mistruths is pretty deplorable, so in that way I would think of both white and black supremacist in exactly equal terms.

What happens if they spout bs based on truths and hard facts?

ohnonotgmail · 18-12-2018 5:25pm

DS86DS wrote: »

Nothing to do with Stormfront. One example among many is the study 'Human Accomplishment' by Charles Murray

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Accomplishment

the claim was

Europeans and people of European descent are responsible for 97% of the accomplishments in the field of science.

where in your link does it support that? I am asking for a source of the claim. You have not provided that.

Triceratops Ballet · 18-12-2018 5:29pm

tomofson wrote: »

What happens if they spout bs based on truths and hard facts?

I'd ask them to present the evidence they based these conclusions on, review, and make my own mind up. So very much the antithesis of Christianity, but that's me and my looney leftie ways

DEFTLEFTHAND · 18-12-2018 5:30pm

In my understanding the hard left despised Christianity and Judaism because of their strong promotion of the family. 'Western values' and capitalism stemmed from this Judeo - Christian culture.

In a communist state for eg this devotion needs to be redirected toward the State as a whole instead. Hence the suppression of religion.

Danzy · 18-12-2018 5:30pm

One could better argue that most of the positions of the modern Left are Anti Left, extreme free market positions.

40 years ago these positions were mostly confined to extreme free market libertarians like the Koch brothers.

The Left have a class divide between itself and most of the electorate. It is a key reason it is in such trouble electorally. That us a real pity but it is
Getting worse rather than better.

tomofson · 18-12-2018 5:31pm

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

In my understanding the hard left despised Christianity and Judaism because of their strong promotion of the family. 'Western values' and capitalism stemmed from this Judeo - Christian culture.

In a communist state for eg this devotion needs to be redirected toward the State as a whole instead. Hence the suppression of religion.

They certainly dont oppose judaism.

CinemaGuy45 · 18-12-2018 5:31pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Religion and politics definitely lend to that.

Oops what did I start?

Lighthearted this thread is not.

xckjoo · 18-12-2018 5:33pm

tomofson wrote: »

I can tell you for a fact at least one other person is on the same page.

One. Great.

DS86DS wrote: »

What is it with brain dead leftists that put all of this at the feet of Europeans, and only Europeans? Why are leftists so lazy that they cannot even study some history to see that all cultures have engaged in these activities?

And as for slavery and torture, it was white Christians who were first to abolish these activities. They are STILL happening in the Islamic World.

You might have a point if my post wasn't in direct response to tomofson saying Europeans committed "those few sins" as if they were parking tickets. Nice try stripping out of context to fit your narrative though.

Ipso · 18-12-2018 5:34pm

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

So you can link to videos for this, but not for any of the other "facts" you have put forth so far in this discussion, which was originally about Christianity which apparently is now a synonym for white?

You don’t get whiter than the good lord himself.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 18-12-2018 5:36pm

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Oops what did I start?

Lighthearted this thread is not.

There's good robust discussion going on here in fairness.

Great to see it on the site.

CinemaGuy45 · 18-12-2018 5:38pm

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

There's good robust discussion going on here in fairness.

Great to see it on the site.

Just don’t want the blame if the chairs start getting thrown around.

DS86DS · 18-12-2018 5:38pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

the claim was

where in your link does it support that? I am asking for a source of the claim. You have not provided that.

https://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/25/books/a-cultural-scorecard-says-west-is-ahead.html

In all, Europeans and North Americans account for 97 percent of scientific accomplishment

Almost every position the left has, is actually just an attack on Christian beliefs?

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