Chemical weapon used on civilians in Syria + Airstrikes

Kermit.de.frog · 15-04-2018 4:15am

Deleted User wrote: »

Any maps of Russian bases around the US?

No, because nothing to show mainly for geographical reasons. Also the Russians don't have any ability to project naval power around the world. Unlike the US. They don't have the resources.

gctest50 · 15-04-2018 4:22am

BlackWitch wrote: »

Do they teach them to navigate by stars and the sun?,.

bit of maths and tercom , be grand

Chrongen · 15-04-2018 4:30am

Gringo180 wrote: »

Holy **** is that real??

These "chemical weapons" aren't very good at mass killing if everyone in that picture looks fairly good. Shaken but not stirred. You should see what a bomb can do. It actually blows peoples' bodies to chopmeat.

You wouldn't believe what a bullet can do.

prinzeugen · 15-04-2018 4:31am

BlackWitch wrote: »

As I said earlier, Russia would take out the satellites in the first 5 minutes, what is the GPS going to work off?

Asymmetrical warfare, remember, S-400 don't need no satellites, "goodnight Malaysian three seven zero..........."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R71whkcMSU

Cruise missiles CANNOT be taken out by the S-400.

It is Bull****, bollox or Other.

The stuff you talk about is just propaganda. Russia can shoot down this, Russia can clone stalin,, Russia wrote all the Bond films and they are propaganda?

And the video you provided says.. "the s-400 can track many objects". Not shoot them down!

Chrongen · 15-04-2018 4:36am

prinzeugen wrote: »

The whole Russian "lazer" thing was discussed here years ago.

Someone in Moscow has been watching to much James Bond or Austin Powers!

Yet they can poison someone on a plane or in a pizza joint or is it a taxi or a doorknob and the cat survives.

Smart bastards.

Maybe you ought to go back to the Le Carre books.

prinzeugen · 15-04-2018 4:39am

BlackWitch wrote: »

Do they teach them to navigate by stars and the sun?, when the satellites come down the US will be left with floating death ships.

Edit: Remember "Object 2014-28E"

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11/18/russia_secret_satellite_kosmos_2499/

https://www.ft.com/content/cdd0bdb6-6c27-11e4-990f-00144feabdc0#axzz3JPZDZk6I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIyvbiW4YNI

Britian did it years ago..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG5v7ng0o4A

LOL!

prinzeugen · 15-04-2018 4:48am

BlackWitch wrote: »

prinzfoolgen wrote: »

That's as pathetic as your opinion..........

Be my bitch from now on....

Sorry? Be Your bitch?

No. Bugger off!!

Gringo180 · 15-04-2018 7:03am

piplip87 wrote: »

Well done to the UK, France and the UK.

500,000 People killed and 7 millions displaced due to Assad and the Russians.

I notice the usual suspect calling out this bombing but yet these suspects where very quiet when Assad was killing innocents and when Russia was bombing the place

American-Android alert!

Whats the weather like in Washington this morning Hank?

freshpopcorn · 15-04-2018 8:41am

MOD NOTE BlackWitch your banned from this thread!

freshpopcorn · 15-04-2018 9:02am

ModNote BlackWitch is thread banned now. So don't reply to their posts!

Discodog · 15-04-2018 10:03am

Chrongen wrote: »

And you believe that?
Are living in a dreamworld?

IF there was knowledge of a mythical chemical weaponry installation then why wasn't it's existence reported to the OPCW.

So this facility has been allowed to exist in contravention of the CWC but then all of a sudden destroyed?

Why did nobody report the existence of this laboratory? I would call that dereliction of duty.......or a complete crock of sh1t.

Maybe it was manufactured by elves in the night.

How do you know it wasn't reported ? The OPCW have no power in Syria or Russia.

Uboat · 15-04-2018 10:34am

cnocbui wrote: »

Read the article and then please explain why Trump needs to be executed because Assad used chemical weapons on Syrian civilians.

Facepalm.

If chemical weapons were used, then they were used by USA and Co., not by Assad.

Discodog · 15-04-2018 10:36am

Uboat wrote: »

Facepalm.

If chemical weapons were used, then they were used by USA and Co., not by Assad.

Of cause because the US has a history of using them & Assad has never used them :rolleyes:

Uboat · 15-04-2018 10:45am

Discodog wrote: »

Of cause because the US has a history of using them & Assad has never used them :rolleyes:

US has a history of doing dirty work using all sorts of "rebels, freedom fighters" etc.

If cw were used then they were used by american-backed bullsh*t "freedom fighters".

At this moment I am sure CW were not used and everything was staged to justify attack on Assad.

Assad is winning war, why would he use chemical weapons?

YFlyer · 15-04-2018 10:46am

Discodog wrote: »

Of cause because the US has a history of using them & Assad has never used them :rolleyes:

Of course they did.

Ash.J.Williams · 15-04-2018 10:48am

I just keep thinking that America have always been wrong so far...
And have lied constantly... What's a man to think....

Gatling · 15-04-2018 11:01am

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

I just keep thinking that America have always been wrong so far...

In what way

Gatling · 15-04-2018 11:02am

Uboat wrote: »

US has a history of doing dirty work using all sorts of "rebels, freedom fighters" etc.

So that must mean russian , rebels , freedom fighters are ok then it's not like they also have very long history in other conflicts around the world .

gandalf · 15-04-2018 11:03am

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

I just keep thinking that America have always been wrong so far...
And have lied constantly... What's a man to think....

And Russia said they'd defend Syria but when push came to shove they welcomed the bombers in as long as they didn't hit their assets.

The Russian military great against civilians and guys on flatbeds with AK's but their balls shrink and whither when they face a comparable military.

Discodog · 15-04-2018 11:08am

A lot of countries including Germany, Canada. Australia, Nato, The EU have spoken out in support of the attacks.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/04/14/unequivocal-message-world-reacted-syrian-airstrikes/

gandalf · 15-04-2018 11:12am

Discodog wrote: »

A lot of countries including Germany, Canada. Australia, Nato, The EU have spoken out in support of the attacks.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/04/14/unequivocal-message-world-reacted-syrian-airstrikes/

Of course they did, you cannot let the use of banned chemical weapons go without a response otherwise it risks them being legitimised.

donegaLroad · 15-04-2018 11:21am

Iraq obtained chemical and biological weapons from America, via Donald Rumsfeld.

LINK HERE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r42oejmpkgw

The CIA had already warned that Iraq was using chemical weapons almost daily. But Mr Rumsfeld, at the time a successful executive in the pharmaceutical industry, still made it possible for Saddam to buy supplies from American firms.

They included viruses such as anthrax and bubonic plague, according to the Washington Post.

*watch certain posters waste their Sunday arguing that this article isn't accurate :pac:*

gandalf · 15-04-2018 11:25am

donegaLroad wrote: »

Iraq obtained chemical and biological weapons from America, via Donald Rumsfeld.

LINK HERE

*watch certain posters waste their Sunday arguing that this article isn't accurate :pac:*

Nope not arguing against it at all the Yanks made monumental fcuk ups with who they supported in that conflict because they had a hard on about punishing the Iranians.

However we're discussing Syria and the testiculary challenged Russian military.

Vladimir Poontang · 15-04-2018 11:44am

gandalf wrote: »

Nope not arguing against it at all the Yanks made monumental fcuk ups with who they supported in that conflict because they had a hard on about punishing the Iranians.

However we're discussing Syria and the testiculary challenged Russian military.

And they are making the same mistake with Assad and Syria but hey, let's cheer them on and express regret later when it all goes tits up

gandalf · 15-04-2018 11:47am

Vladimir Poontang wrote: »

And they are making the same mistake with Assad and Syria but hey, let's cheer them on and express regret later when it all goes tits up

Nope the mistake they all made was to not act when they should have a number of years ago when it became apparent that Assad was using Chemical Weapons against his own people with the support of Russia.

Elmer Blooker · 15-04-2018 11:49am

gandalf wrote: »

Of course they did, you cannot let the use of banned chemical weapons go without a response otherwise it risks them being legitimised.

Paid actors hosing down children (who have no say in the matter) for the cameras is a chemical attack?

Gatling · 15-04-2018 11:58am

donegaLroad wrote: »

Iraq obtained chemical and biological weapons from America, via Donald Rumsfeld.

*watch certain posters waste their Sunday arguing that this article isn't accurate :pac:*

A lot of chemicals and equipment came from Europe too .

*Didn't think this through*

gandalf · 15-04-2018 12:07pm

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Paid actors hosing down children (who have no say in the matter) for the cameras is a chemical attack?

Keep repeating the lies Elmer.

Again we now see Russia's promise of protecting Syria for what it is, a fabrication. Pretty much anything they say is a falsehood. And now we see what "dire consequences" actually means, a matinee performance by their chief clown to the UN calling everyone hooligans, LOL!

gandalf · 15-04-2018 12:09pm

Gatling wrote: »

A lot of chemicals and equipment came from Europe too .

*Didn't think this through*

And the Russians did also supply Iraq as well.....

Discodog · 15-04-2018 12:12pm

https://news.sky.com/story/sundays-national-newspaper-front-pages-11331679

Dohnjoe · 15-04-2018 12:14pm

donegaLroad wrote: »

*watch certain posters waste their Sunday arguing that this article isn't accurate :pac:*

Don't think anyone here supported the Iraq war.

Discodog · 15-04-2018 12:19pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Don't think anyone here supported the Iraq war.

Nope but some will cling on to the past. How about the Gulags ? :P

gandalf · 15-04-2018 12:21pm

Discodog wrote: »

Nope but some will cling on to the past. How about the Gulags ? :P

Or working hand in hand with the Germans in 1939 carving up Poland...wow history is fun

Dohnjoe · 15-04-2018 12:23pm

Vladimir Poontang wrote: »

And they are making the same mistake with Assad and Syria but hey, let's cheer them on and express regret later when it all goes tits up

They are trying to prevent further chemical weapon use

I know this is a football game for some posters who cheer on any side that is against the West, but you can't really argue with diminishing chemical weapon usage

They obviously had channels open with the Russians to ensure that none of their forces were hit, they hit limited targets, (I'd say they were tempted) but didn't really go beyond the mandate of striking chemical and storage facilities only

Dohnjoe · 15-04-2018 12:26pm

Discodog wrote: »

Nope but some will cling on to the past. How about the Gulags ? :P

The Brits used gas in WW1 and now they are striking Assad for chemical weapon usage, forget the horrific suffering, my warped sense of hypocrisy is triggered!

gandalf · 15-04-2018 12:30pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

The Brits used gas in WW1 and now they are striking Assad for chemical weapon usage, forget the horrific suffering, my warped sense of hypocrisy is triggered!

Ah but it is because of what was witnessed during that conflict that these weapons were eventually banned. It makes sense to me that a nation that is tainted by using these disgusting agents and being victim of them in the past now wants to ensure they don't get legitimised again. I think we both agree that there had to be a consequence for Syria for the use of Chemical Weapons.

Elmer Blooker · 15-04-2018 12:33pm

gandalf wrote: »

Keep repeating the lies Elmer.

Again we now see Russia's promise of protecting Syria for what it is, a fabrication. Pretty much anything they say is a falsehood. And now we see what "dire consequences" actually means, a matinee performance by their chief clown to the UN calling everyone hooligans, LOL!

YOU keep repeating the lies!
Stop pretending that Syria hasn't been invaded by thousands of foreign jihadists backed by NATO, the Saudi dictatorship and Gulf dictatorships.
The Syrian people with Russian help (the ONLY country serious about fighting terrorism) are fighting back and kicking these dogs out of THEIR country.
Accept it.

Discodog, I didn't read that Sunday Times front page but would that child be Yemini?

gandalf · 15-04-2018 12:36pm

Yeah Elmer the Russians have helped free half a million Syrians from the Jihadis along with their Syrian accomplice's by killing them.

Well done them and to people of your ilk who attempt to legitimise their crimes and lies. SLOW CLAP........SLOW CLAP........SLOW CLAP........SLOW CLAP........SLOW CLAP........SLOW CLAP........

Discodog · 15-04-2018 12:37pm

gandalf wrote: »

Ah but it is because of what was witnessed during that conflict that these weapons were eventually banned. It makes sense to me that a nation that is tainted by using these disgusting agents and being victim of them in the past now wants to ensure they don't get legitimised again. I think we both agree that there had to be a consequence for Syria for the use of Chemical Weapons.

Especially when you think of how well those treaties were respected since by the rest of the World.

Discodog · 15-04-2018 12:39pm

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

YOU keep repeating the lies!
Stop pretending that Syria hasn't been invaded by thousands of foreign jihadists backed by NATO, the Saudi dictatorship and Gulf dictatorships.
The Syrian people with Russian help (the ONLY country serious about fighting terrorism) are fighting back and kicking these dogs out of THEIR country.
Accept it.

Discodog, I didn't read that Sunday Times front page but would that child be Yemini?

You didn't read it ? Why not because it might be the truth ?

All those interviewed presented corroborated testimony that supports the evidence that chemical weapons were used.

TerrorFirmer · 15-04-2018 12:41pm

gandalf wrote: »

Again we now see Russia's promise of protecting Syria for what it is, a fabrication. Pretty much anything they say is a falsehood. And now we see what "dire consequences" actually means, a matinee performance by their chief clown to the UN calling everyone hooligans, LOL!

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Russia over this.

The missile strike was pretty much an easy public win for the UK/US/etc, and had zero effect on the SAA.

If strikes were expanded to involve actual hard military targets would be where it would get extremely dangerous.

It was a pretty perfect compromise for all sides concerned, being realistic.

Dohnjoe · 15-04-2018 12:42pm

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Stop pretending that Syria hasn't been invaded by thousands of foreign jihadists backed by NATO

Only thousands? The coalition are estimated to have killed more than 50k jihadists since 2014

"Sir, why are we killing thousands of our jihadist allies"

"To confuse the hard left"

Dohnjoe · 15-04-2018 12:44pm

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Russia over this.

The missile strike was pretty much an easy public win for the UK/US/etc, and had zero effect on the SAA.

If strikes were expanded to involve actual hard military targets would be where it would get extremely dangerous.

It was a pretty perfect compromise for all sides concerned, being realistic.

It would have been very tempting (and likely relatively easy) to hit a serious amount of airfields, etc - punitive strikes

But it seems cool minds prevailed and they only targeted the CW facilities only.

Elmer Blooker · 15-04-2018 12:52pm

gandalf wrote: »

Yeah Elmer the Russians have helped free half a million Syrians from the Jihadis along with their Syrian accomplice's by killing them.

Well done them and to people of your ilk who attempt to legitimise their crimes and lies.

I deleted the idiotic part of your post, hope you don't mind.

What outside forces flooded the country with weapons and are directly responsible for the misery in Syria?
I presume the jihadis putting non Sunnis into cages was an incentive for Syrians to fight back. What do you think?

"To confuse the hard left"

LOL

Gatling · 15-04-2018 12:53pm

Statement from Swiss lab that Russia Claimed found a different nerve agent in Salisbury

Spiez Laboratory, the Swiss Federal Institute for Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Protection, denied their report cast doubt on whether novichok was used.

In a statement, the Lab said: "Only OPCW can comment this assertion. But we can repeat what we stated 10 days ago: We have no doubt that Porton Down has identified Novichock.

[Porton Down] - like Spiez - is a designated lab of the OPCW.

"The standards in verification are so rigid that one can trust the findings."

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov was widely reported yesterday to have claimed a nerve agent was used in the Salisbury poisoning, to which Britain had access.

He claimed the chemical BZ was used in the attack, hinting evidence from a Swiss laboratory suggested Britain could have been behind it.

Citing a report from the Speiz lab dated March 27, Lavrov said the evidence suggested the nerve agent used could be in the arsenal of the United States and Britain.

Lavrov read out parts of the report that he said showed the substance had traces of the BZ agent.

But the lab cited by Mr Lavrov spoke out last night, denying their report suggested anything of the kind.

cnocbui · 15-04-2018 1:19pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

The Brits used gas in WW1 and now they are striking Assad for chemical weapon usage, forget the horrific suffering, my warped sense of hypocrisy is triggered!

They used gas in WW1 because the Germans started using it against them with great effect. Would you prefer that the British had refrained from tit-for-tat and had lost the war?

This is precisely why these horrible weapons have since been banned, because it gets really nasty when both sides are forced to resort to them if one side starts to use them.

Dohnjoe · 15-04-2018 1:22pm

cnocbui wrote: »

They used gas in WW1 because the Germans started using it against them with great effect. Would you prefer that the British had refrained from tit-for-tat and had lost the war?

This is precisely why these horrible weapons have since been banned, because it gets really nasty when both sides are forced to resort to them if one side starts to use them.

It was sarcasm

Discodog · 15-04-2018 1:28pm

I guess that we won't get an apology from Lavrov for blatant lying. That Swiss lab should sue him. It's really exceptional when a very senior official of a major country just tells lies.

Some here criticised Boris so where is the criticism of Lavrov ?

cnocbui · 15-04-2018 1:29pm

Gatling wrote: »

Statement from Swiss lab that Russia Claimed found a different nerve agent in Salisbury

Spiez Laboratory, the Swiss Federal Institute for Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Protection, denied their report cast doubt on whether novichok was used.

...

Lavrov read out parts of the report that he said showed the substance had traces of the BZ agent.

But the lab cited by Mr Lavrov spoke out last night, denying their report suggested anything of the kind.

A certain poster will be along later to troll and will start by blithely restating Lavrov's assertions as fact, pretending they had never seen your post. Then when challenged, they will deny the lab said anything to contradict Lavrov and that it clearly supported his assertions.

cnocbui · 15-04-2018 1:30pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

It was sarcasm

Sorry, missed that.

Chemical weapon used on civilians in Syria + Airstrikes

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