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_blaaz · 02-07-2019 6:07pm

B0jangles wrote: »

Isn't he the guy who doxxed a woman who had her neck broken by one of his patriot prayer colleagues? Who also makes lists of journalists he claims are pro-antifa which are very popular among neo-nazi groups like Atomwaffen?
The doxxing tweet is still on his timeline fyi, he even shows the footage of her getting attacked, but for some weird reason the actual moment she is hit is blurred out - it's almost like they don't want anyone to see exactly what happened at that point.

(according to witnesses the injury was caused by being hit with a metal baton on the back of her neck when she was turned away from the attacker)

It was at this far-right attack on a local business:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/portland-brewpub-cider-riot-sues-far-right-group-patriot-prayer-for-repeated-attacks

I'm not here to claim antifa alway behave perfectly and are incapable of being violent, but Andy Ngo is an active participant in these violent situations, not an innocent bystander as he claims.

If the above is true....somewhat difficult to condemn any attack on him

Boggles · 02-07-2019 6:14pm

Kimsang wrote: »

A Racial Shakedown in Portland
-Andy Ngo
This is the top comment on that page from a reader:

Take your pick of articles here

Honestly couldn't read it, the font gave me a headache.

Thought Wordpress had a large selection of themes.

Kimsang wrote: »

Could you answer for me; while both Antifa and Proud boys are both designated hateful groups, only one is banned from twitter?

I have no idea, I don't work for Twitter.

Kimsang wrote: »

Also why the left only criticize proud boys, while the right criticize both?

I think they are both cúnts, but I don't know if I am left or right, it used mean something not anymore though.

I know that doesn't answer your question, but your question without examples or context has absolutely no meaning.

Kimsang · 02-07-2019 6:18pm

Boggles wrote: »

I think they are both cúnts, but I don't know if I am left or right, it used mean something not anymore though.

At least we can agree on something. Why though are you and so many others so quick to smear Andy Ngo and the centrist publication he works for? Its a publication I've followed for sometime now and it's nothing but fair; and honestly tries to get to the heart of issues. Most media is too sensationalized to sell. There's a reason centrist publications don't generate as much revenue....

James Brown · 02-07-2019 6:18pm

Will I Am Not wrote: »

Yeah, that’s the base it has expanded from.

Yet only their apologists seem to shill that line.

Will I Am Not · 02-07-2019 6:21pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Yet only their apologists seem to shill that line.

I’m not an apologist for anyone and I’ve used it.

Boggles · 02-07-2019 6:22pm

Kimsang wrote: »

At least we can agree on something. Why though are you and so many others so quick to smear Andy Ngo and the centrist publication he works for?

Because every cúnt and their mother these days pretends to be a journalist.

It annoys me and must annoy the shíté out of actual journalists, especially brave ones.

He is an absolute Díckhead that uses twitter to spread nonsense that makes situations in Portland worse.

He is part of the problem.

But he not in anyway unique.

20Cent · 02-07-2019 6:25pm

Kimsang wrote: »

At least we can agree on something. Why though are you and so many others so quick to smear Andy Ngo and the centrist publication he works for? Its a publication I've followed for sometime now and it's nothing but fair; and honestly tries to get to the heart of issues. Most media is too sensationalized to sell. There's a reason centrist publications don't generate as much revenue....

Centrist me hole scan through the articles it's far right.
It even published lists of journalists claiming they were allied with antifa. These journalists subsequently were sent death threats from far right groups.

Kimsang · 02-07-2019 6:32pm

Boggles wrote: »

Because every cúnt and their mother these days pretends to be a journalist.
It annoys me and must annoy the shíté out of actual journalists, especially brave ones.

He is an absolute Díckhead that uses twitter to spread nonsense that makes situations in Portland worse.

Can you prove your ridiculous claims?

These are comments from Portland residents of his article a year ago since you are not bothered to read the articles from Quillette:

As a fellow Portlander, thanks for bringing light to this nonsense. Being continuously aware of who ought to be shamed and what to be outraged about are the primary social currencies here. Good people are hurt all the time on social media in Portland by these mobs. They won’t listen to reason, and if you tell another side of a story you’re immediately accused of “gaslighting.” Never fails.

I literally cannot take a walk in my neighborhood or go to a store w/o some virtue signalling’s sign reminding me that certain lives matter, how “safe” someone is because “all (fill in aggrieved group here) is welcomed” or that “In *Our* America” leftist ideology is the right kind of divine faith. I cannot leave my home without getting a lecture on someone’s car, home, or business. And when my concern is expressed (that such signs serve to divide, adhere to self righteousness, and demonstrate Vaclav Havel’s Green Grocer example) my supposed downtrodden status is thrown out the window because of thoughtcrimes for being moderate.

The city of Portland seems to have been led astray and it’s sad to watch the liberal leadership churn out something that is so ugly and unrecognizable to America and it’s ideals. Be better than the mobs, Alan.

Its fine if you don't understand whats happening in Portland, but to openly profess to not checking, and openly espousing a journalist as a dickhead, because he's doing his job, certainly reveals an ideological bent on your behalf.

Boggles · 02-07-2019 6:34pm

Kimsang wrote: »

These are comments from Portland residents.

How do you know they are?

Kimsang wrote: »

profess to not checking, and openly espousing a journalist as a dickhead,

Again, he isn't really a journalist is he? Out of interest did he study journalism?

Kimsang · 02-07-2019 6:36pm

20Cent wrote: »

Centrist me hole scan through the articles it's far right.
It even published lists of journalists claiming they were allied with antifa. These journalists subsequently were sent death threats from far right groups.

Prove your ridiculous claims

Kimsang · 02-07-2019 6:37pm

Boggles wrote: »

How do you know they are?

Again, he isn't really a journalist is he? Out of interest did he study journalism?

I'm not doing your work for you anymore. I already cited and linked many times. This is getting ****ing tiresome.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 02-07-2019 6:38pm

notobtuse wrote: »

Seems to be mostly single nut cases history in the US. Not some organized effort by right wing groups as you imply. Got anything better?

They organise on the net so it is organised.

Boggles · 02-07-2019 6:39pm

Kimsang wrote: »

I'm not doing your work for you anymore. I already cited and linked many times. This is getting ****ing tiresome.

Hang on a sec, you are the one who said you were a fan.

Was just wondering did he study journalism.

Simple enough question. Thought you might have known.

Kimsang · 02-07-2019 6:42pm

Boggles wrote: »

How do you know they are?

I have never checked the education history of a journalist. Ever. Have you ? Do you regularly do this?

I like or dislike a journalists work based on how they argue and whether they appeal to reason.

James Brown · 02-07-2019 6:42pm

Boggles wrote: »

How do you know they are?

Again, he isn't really a journalist is he? Out of interest did he study journalism?

The wiki says he's a political grad who worked on a university paper until he got fired for 'half truths'. Since then he's been making a name on the web slagging off the left. Reminds me of that Milo chancer. Being permanently outraged and whinging about people they claim are permanently outraged.

_blaaz · 02-07-2019 6:43pm

Kimsang wrote: »

I have never checked the education history of a journalist. Ever. Have you ? Do you regularly do this?

I would think most people do???

You wouldnt trust word of an unqualified doctor on medical issue...why would you read unqualified journalists??

It makes no sense like??

Kimsang · 02-07-2019 6:49pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

The wiki says he's a political grad who worked on a university paper until he got fired for 'half truths'. Since then he's been making a name slagging off the left. Reminds me of that Milo chancer. Being permanently outraged and whinging about people they claim are permanently outraged.

If you care to scratch beneath the surface all will be revealed young jedi.

The citation on his Wikipedia page reveals that he got fired for a tweet:

"At @Portland_State interfaith panel today, the Muslim student speaker said that apostates will be killed or banished in an Islamic state,"

Which was summarizing this speech:

In a video of the event, the panelist says: "I can confidently tell you, when the Quran says an innocent life, it means an innocent life, regardless of the faith, the race, like, whatever you can think about as a characteristic. […] This that you're referring to, killing non-Muslims, that is only considered a crime when the country's law, the country is based on Quranic law—that means there is no other law than the Quran. In that case, you're given the liberty to leave the country, I'm not going to sugarcoat it."

Was this indeed a 'half-truth'? and a sackable offence? and enough to be labelled far right?

What he did was paraphrase a portion of a Muslim student's comments about the treatment of non-Muslims in Islamic countries via his personal Twitter account.
Ngo's tweet went viral and caught the attention of the right-wing Breitbart News Network.

Billy Mays · 02-07-2019 6:53pm

Desert_Orchid wrote: »

Billy Mays wrote: »

The violence commited on Ngo, yes. A piece of neo Nazi sh!t like Spencer, not a chance. I'd have been quite happy to see the fella stick the boot in on him aswell

He could of killed that guy i hope you wouldn't be as snakey as that and youd fight the nazis head on like a real man.

Pity he didn't kill him

The more dead neo nazis the better

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 02-07-2019 6:58pm

Billy Mays wrote: »

Pity he didn't kill him

The more dead neo nazis the better

And dead commies, am I right?

I’d oppose all street violence. What we could do instead is put the anti fa and the proud boys (etc etc etc) into some stadium or whatever and let them at it.

Stadium violence.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 02-07-2019 7:00pm

_blaaz wrote: »

I would think most people do???

You wouldnt trust word of an unqualified doctor on medical issue...why would you read unqualified journalists??

It makes no sense like??

Because one is a real degree absolutely needed for the job and one isn’t?

The vast majority of journalists didn’t do a journalism course.

Historically none of them did.

notobtuse · 02-07-2019 7:00pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

They organise on the net so it is organised.

What right wing groups have organized on the net here in the US that has resulted in a coordinated group violent crime?

peddlelies · 02-07-2019 7:02pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

The wiki says he's a political grad who worked on a university paper until he got fired for 'half truths'. Since then he's been making a name on the web slagging off the left. Reminds me of that Milo chancer. Being permanently outraged and whinging about people they claim are permanently outraged.

Even if that's the case, so what?

There's probably hundreds of blue checked accounts on twitter engaging in progressive activism who smear conservatives daily. Does that give me or anyone else the right to physically attack them?

This is a very disingenuous line of attack on your part and it's something that's done far too often to the point now that I think it's purposeful.

20Cent · 02-07-2019 7:03pm

Kimsang wrote: »

If you care to scratch beneath the surface all will be revealed young jedi.

The citation on his Wikipedia page reveals that he got fired for a tweet:

Which was summarizing this speech:

Was this indeed a 'half-truth'? and a sackable offence? and enough to be labelled far right?

lying about what people said and then putting them in danger is a sackable offence with any reputable news organisation.

peddlelies · 02-07-2019 7:06pm

20Cent wrote: »

lying about what people said and then putting them in danger is a sackable offence with any reputable news organisation.

How did you feel about those kids from Covington as a matter of interest?

I don't remember anyone being fired over that incident, although multiple of the "reports" had to be edited and many are now being sued.

klaaaz · 02-07-2019 7:07pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

And dead commies, am I right?

I’d oppose all street violence. What we could do instead is put the anti fa and the proud boys (etc etc etc) into some stadium or whatever and let them at it.

Stadium violence.

The Proud boys are going to have another rally this Saturday July 6th.
"On his website, Tarrio sells shirts promoting “free helicopter rides”—a celebration of Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet’s regime executing leftists by throwing them out of helicopters". There's the initial threat to opponents there in 2019, wishing them death and celebrating it.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/proud-boys-and-allies-to-rally-in-dc-to-capitalize-on-trumpstravaganza

The authorities over there should ban far right hate groups and there would be an immediate de-escalation of trouble. But they won't because there is tolerance in the Trump era for the far right, just like Charlottesville where they murdered a young woman.

peddlelies · 02-07-2019 7:09pm

klaaaz wrote: »

The authorities over there should ban far right hate groups and there would be an immediate de-escalation of trouble.

Well that's just bullshít and pure confirmation bias. Trump supporters were literally chased and to their cars and beaten after leaving rallies in 2016

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2016/jun/02/donald-trump-protest-violence-san-jose-rally-video

Jimmy Garlic · 02-07-2019 7:10pm

20Cent wrote: »

Mass murder:
Theres a chart.on this page.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/03/world/white-extremist-terrorism-christchurch.html

Communism has murdered more people in the last 100 years than every other political ideology put together. Hundreds of millions of people. Skinheads and antifa are exactly the same sort of sh!tbags behind the veneer of their respective political ideologies. Hitler learned how to exterminate masses of people by studying how the Soviet Union did it.

James Brown · 02-07-2019 7:11pm

peddlelies wrote: »

Even if that's the case, so what?

There's probably hundreds of blue checked accounts on twitter engaging in progressive activism who smear conservatives daily. Does that give me or anyone else the right to physically attack them?

This is a very disingenuous line of attack on your part and it's something that's done far too often to the point now that I think it's purposeful.

He's not a journalist is all. That's the query I was answering.
I'm not condoning violence, just pointing out he's not a journalist but a randomer with internet access who has seemingly made a career out of criticising the left.
Bette Midler is blue checked and very outspoken politically....she ain't no journalist.

20Cent · 02-07-2019 7:12pm

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Communism has murdered more people in the last 100 years than every other political ideology put together. Hundreds of millions of people. Skinheads and antifa are exactly the same sort of sh!tbags behind the veneer of their respective political ideologies. Hitler learned how to exterminate masses of people by studying how the Soviet Union did it.

How many people have antifa killed?

Answer 0

Far right terrorists?

Answer 50 in the last year

Creating a false equivalence between them.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 02-07-2019 7:13pm

notobtuse wrote: »

What right wing groups have organized on the net here in the US that has resulted in a coordinated group violent crime?

All of them. They organised on the internet. Or were radicalised on the internet. Same in fact as a lot of Isis “lone wolves”.

klaaaz · 02-07-2019 7:17pm

peddlelies wrote: »

Well that's just bullshít and pure confirmation bias. Trump supporters were literally chased and to their cars and beaten after leaving rallies in 2016

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2016/jun/02/donald-trump-protest-violence-san-jose-rally-video

You must be making that up about the dramatics? I see Trump supporters(mostly men surprise surprise) clashing with demonstrators there in 2016.

3 years on, there has been a host of far right rallies and marches tolerated by the Trump administration resulting in deaths in the USA(including the murder by the far right in Charlottesville) . Do you support the holding of far right hate rallies and marches?

James Brown · 02-07-2019 7:17pm

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Communism has murdered more people in the last 100 years than every other political ideology put together. Hundreds of millions of people. Skinheads and antifa are exactly the same sort of sh!tbags behind the veneer of their respective political ideologies. Hitler learned how to exterminate masses of people by studying how the Soviet Union did it.

FYI: Stalin, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Un and China aren't communist.

Boggles · 02-07-2019 7:24pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

The wiki says he's a political grad who worked on a university paper until he got fired for 'half truths'. Since then he's been making a name on the web slagging off the left.

Oh right, so he is neither a journalist or unique.

Think I nailed it with Dickhead.

notobtuse · 02-07-2019 7:28pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

All of them. They organised on the internet. Or were radicalised on the internet. Same in fact as a lot of Isis “lone wolves”.

"All of them" is a cop-out.

SnakePlissken · 02-07-2019 7:29pm

klaaaz wrote: »

The Proud Boys which you're quick to defend

Where did I defend them? Care to quote me? You stated they are targeting the LGTB community, I asked you to provide a source for this claim, and, quell surprise, you haven't.

peddlelies · 02-07-2019 7:30pm

klaaaz wrote: »

You must be making that up about the dramatics? I see Trump supporters(mostly men surprise surprise) clashing with demonstrators there in 2016.

People were leaving rallies and being set upon. It happened frequently in 2016 and will again in 2020.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/01/antifa-charlottesville-violence-fbi-242235

"Previously unreported documents disclose that by April 2016, authorities believed that “anarchist extremists” were the primary instigators of violence at public rallies against a range of targets. They were blamed by authorities for attacks on the police, government and political institutions, along with symbols of “the capitalist system,” racism, social injustice and fascism, according to a confidential 2016 joint intelligence assessment by DHS and the FBI."

3 years on, there has been a host of far right rallies and marches tolerated by the Trump administration resulting in deaths in the USA(including the murder by the far right in Charlottesville) . Do you support the holding of far right hate rallies and marches?

I don't agree with their views but how do you define far right. Free speech in the US is a complicated issue but it's indefinably better to allow marches then to start selectively choosing what can and can't be allowed.

FutureGuy · 02-07-2019 7:30pm

Far left. Far right. A very small but very loud and obnoxious fraction of the overall political spectrum.

JohnnyFlash · 02-07-2019 7:30pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

FYI: Stalin, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Un and China aren't communist.

Any examples of countries which were communist?

Boggles · 02-07-2019 7:32pm

Yeah, leave Trump supporters alone, harmless all together.

peddlelies · 02-07-2019 7:35pm

Boggles wrote: »

Yeah, leave Trump supporters alone, harmless all together.

So you agree that it's fine to sucker punch random people leaving Trump rallies. At least you've made your stance crystal clear, good man.

If you're going to throw up some nut like the guy in the photo, don't forgot the guy on the other side who shot up a Republican baseball game.

SnakePlissken · 02-07-2019 7:38pm

klaaaz wrote: »

they are designated as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Yet the FBI doesn't' class them as such.

https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2018/12/head-of-oregons-fbi-bureau-doesnt-designate-proud-boys-as-extremist-group.html

klaaaz wrote: »

The Proud Boys... as well as hating other races and minorities

This I cannot agree with, indeed the very founder of the Proud Boys might suggest such a claim as laughable considering he is married to an Indian woman.

Boxing.Fan · 02-07-2019 7:39pm

Billy Mays wrote: »

Pity he didn't kill him

The more dead neo nazis the better

****ing hell, you really are invested in this arent you?

What's your own personal experience with these neo nazis?

James Brown · 02-07-2019 7:40pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Any examples of countries which were communist?

Soviet Union for a few months maybe.

Kimsang · 02-07-2019 7:40pm

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Yet the FBI doesn't' class them as such.

https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2018/12/head-of-oregons-fbi-bureau-doesnt-designate-proud-boys-as-extremist-group.html

This I cannot agree with, indeed the very founder of the Proud Boys might suggest such a claim as laughable considering he is married to an Indian woman.

Didn't one of them found Vice news?

James Brown · 02-07-2019 7:42pm

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Yet the FBI doesn't' class them as such.

https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2018/12/head-of-oregons-fbi-bureau-doesnt-designate-proud-boys-as-extremist-group.html

This I cannot agree with, indeed the very founder of the Proud Boys might suggest such a claim as laughable considering he is married to an Indian woman.

And Trump is married to an immigrant only got her papers after he became President. Proves he's cool with all immigrants?

SnakePlissken · 02-07-2019 7:43pm

klaaaz wrote: »

They are also at the forefront of organising the so called Boston straight pride

Not that I've much issues with something so laughably banal as a straight pride parade, would you care to cite some evidence that your claim is correct.

Boggles · 02-07-2019 7:44pm

peddlelies wrote: »

So you agree that it's fine to sucker punch random people leaving Trump rallies. At least you've made your stance crystal clear, good man.

Did I?

Have you a link, I must have missed that?

peddlelies wrote: »

If you're going to throw up some nut like the guy in the photo, don't forgot the guy on the other side who shot up a Republican baseball game.

Didn't realize it was a competition.

There is a joke about gun control in there somewhere though.

Kimsang · 02-07-2019 7:50pm

FutureGuy wrote: »

Far left. Far right. A very small but very loud and obnoxious fraction of the overall political spectrum.

You seem to miss this part:

No mainstream left-wing media criticizes these hooligans. They are free to use twitter as their network. This is double standards in the extreme.

_blaaz · 02-07-2019 7:52pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Because one is a real degree absolutely needed for the job and one isn’t?

The vast majority of journalists didn’t do a journalism course.

Historically none of them did.

Wtf....people presenting emselves as journalists....and they not qualified...how is that?

Varik · 02-07-2019 7:57pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

And Trump is married to an immigrant only got her papers after he became President. Proves he's cool with all immigrants?

took a minute to see she's been a citizen since 2006.

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