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Eircodes, why do some courier companies not use them?

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    #152
    Duckworth_Luas
    Registered Users Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭Duckworth_Luas


    Nobelium wrote: »
    you point, or click at the fecking map and read the alpha numeric grid reference for any location, as people have been doing for years, but now were forced to use an encrypted grid reference, and this is supposed to be some marvelous innovation ? lol
    Is this map made for free? How are these points associated with postal and geographical addresses? How are the attributes associated with the addresses collected? How is it maintained?

    Apparently you just point and click at a screen and a comprehensive relational address database of the entire country appears.

    Jesus wept! You obviously haven't thought this through.


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    #153
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    How do you think that the eircode "knows" where it should be when you search for it on Google maps?

    It's almost like there's a relational database in the background that Google licence, that matches each eircode to an ITM/WGS84 coordinate! Or it's magic.

    all it's doing is decrypting an alphanumeric map grid reference, that it had no business encrypting in the first place.


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    #154
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    Duckworth_Luas wrote: »
    Is this map made for free? How are these points associated with postal and geographical addresses? How are the attributes associated with the addresses collected? How is it maintained?

    Apparently you just point and click at a screen and a comprehensive relational address database of the entire country appears.

    Jesus wept! You obviously haven't thought this through.

    If you don't know how a simple map grid reference works, i can't help you.

    How do you have to "maintain" a map grid reference ?


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    #155
    Duckworth_Luas
    Registered Users Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭Duckworth_Luas


    Nobelium wrote: »
    If you don't know how a simple map grid reference works, i can't help you.

    How do you have to "maintain" a map grid reference ?
    No point continuing this. You've no idea what I'm talking about.


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    #156
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 18,923 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Nobelium wrote: »
    all it's doing is decrypting an alphanumeric map grid reference, that it had no business encrypting in the first place.

    I mean, how do you respond to this.

    Start at the start again, "What is Eircode"?


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    #157
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 18,923 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Duckworth_Luas wrote: »
    No point continuing this. You've no idea what I'm talking about.

    I don't think he knows what he's talking about.


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    #158
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    I mean, how do you respond to this.

    Start at the start again, "What is Eircode"?

    it's a postal/delivery code that uses an encrypted grid reference, as unencrypted gird references would be free, and you can't be having that


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    #159
    Nobelium
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    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    I don't think he knows what he's talking about.

    meanwhile back reality, it's not my fault you refuse to comprehend/acknowledge the principle of a map grid reference, while pretending it's the emperor's new clothes.


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    #160
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Nobelium wrote: »
    it's a postal/delivery code that uses an encrypted grid reference, as unencrypted gird references would be free, and you can't be having that


    Again, you can't be putting 53.xxxxxx followed by 8.yyyyyy into an Amazon order form online

    What system would you choose ?


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    #161
    Nobelium
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    gctest50 wrote: »
    Again, you can't be putting 53.xxxxxx followed by 8.yyyyyy into an Amazon order form online

    What system would you choose ?

    you can use any alphanumeric version, why does it have to be an encrypted code ?


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    #162
    OU812
    Registered Users Posts: 6,035 ✭✭✭OU812


    LOL. I'm wondering which of the LOC-8 cheerleaders is the guy who owns it as a re-reg (I believe he was banned)


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    #163
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 18,923 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Nobelium wrote: »
    meanwhile back reality, it's not my fault you refuse to comprehend/acknowledge the principle of a map grid reference, while pretending it's the emperor's new clothes.

    I'm a surveyor and a GIS analyst.

    I comprehend it plenty buddy.


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    #164
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    I'm a surveyor and a GIS analyst.

    I comprehend it plenty buddy.

    dear lord, that's seriously worrying

    and i'm not your buddy, bro, pal, dude, mate, lad


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    #165
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Nobelium wrote: »

    you can use any alphanumeric version, why does it have to be an encrypted code ?



    Please give one example of an "alphanumeric code"

    Any location in Ireland, anywhere


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    #166
    Nobelium
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    gctest50 wrote: »
    Please give one example of an "alphanumeric code"

    Any location in Ireland, anywhere

    This isn't national school, if you don't know what an alpha numeric gird reference is, or can't work one out, I can't help you.


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    #167
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    Nobelium wrote: »
    dear lord, that's seriously worrying

    and i'm not your buddy, bro, pal, dude, mate, lad

    Nor anybody’s I’d say.

    You’ve been owned multiple times on this thread and it’s a joy to watch.


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    #168
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    Nobelium wrote: »
    it's a postal/delivery code that uses an encrypted grid reference, as unencrypted gird references would be free, and you can't be having that

    There’s nothing encrypted in an eircode alphanumeric string. You have no idea what that word means.


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    #169
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Nobelium wrote: »
    This isn't national school, if you don't know what an alpha numeric gird reference is, or can't work one out, I can't help you.

    Which one ?

    gctest50 wrote: »
    Please give one example of an "alphanumeric code"

    Any location in Ireland, anywhere


    here's a few :


    WGS84/ETRS89

    OS Ireland 65


    ED50 (European Datum)

    Irish Transverse Mercator Grid

    Irish Grid

    WGS84/ETRS89 datum

    UTM Zone N hemis.

    ED50 datum

    UTM

    Bonne Projection (Ireland)

    War Office Irish Grid


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    #170
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Nobelium wrote: »
    it's a postal/delivery code that uses an encrypted grid reference, as unencrypted gird references would be free, and you can't be having that

    The government loves spending - in other words borrowing - 50 million euro it does not have, to squander.

    Bit like the childrens hospital scandal. I have no skin in the game though, but I bet some of those who defend the "eircode" system so much above other systems got a slice of the 50 million the government spent on it.


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    #171
    BarryD2
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    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Loads of courier companies are starting to use them, the emergency services ask for it, and the ESB are going to use them for the smart metering rollout. Slow and steady uptake in usage.

    Don't think An Post use them though and since they carry the bulk of the country's mail, they kinda set the tone.


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    #172
    Nobelium
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    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    There’s nothing encrypted in an eircode alphanumeric string. You have no idea what that word means.

    Seeing as you are actually the one that doesn't here's the dictionary for you

    "convert (information or data) into a code, especially to prevent unauthorized access."


    The database uses the code to reference geo-coordinates of each address point, that's encrypting the map reference so you have to have access to the database to obtain it, hence the fee.

    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    Nor anybody’s I’d say.

    You’ve been owned multiple times on this thread and it’s a joy to watch.

    seems all your capable of is personal attacks, looks like you've been p'wned now


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    #173
    judeboy101
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,246 ✭✭✭judeboy101


    Nobelium wrote: »
    Have I ?

    Tell you what big keyboard man, PM me your eircode and we can continue this offline, let's see if you have the balls to say that to my face.

    Scarp, scrap, scrap!!!


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    #174
    OU812
    Registered Users Posts: 6,035 ✭✭✭OU812


    janfebmar wrote: »

    <SNIP>

    I bet some of those who defend the "eircode" system so much above other systems got a slice of the 50 million the government spent on it.

    Not connected to it in any way shape or form. Just a user/consumer.

    I see the benefit of it & use it daily for both personal & business use.


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    #175
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    OU812 wrote: »
    Not connected to it in any way shape or form. Just a user/consumer.

    I see the benefit of it & use it daily for both personal & business use.

    Like wise - no connection. It works very well and delivers on what it was supposed to do. Why there's a nark over An Post not needing it is incomprehensible. Money well spent.

    Couriers are happy with it and recipients of goods are happy.


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    #176
    dxhound2005
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    In the course of looking at Wikipeda, I read that there was a postal strike in Canada against the introduction of postcodes. The workers manning the machine readers were going to be paid less than the manual sorters.

    An Post skipped a generation or two with their machines, which can read full addresses, with no need for a code.


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    #177
    janfebmar
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    BarryD2 wrote: »
    Don't think An Post use them though and since they carry the bulk of the country's mail, they kinda set the tone.

    You are right, the An Post courier drivers do not use them , or the post office. Neither do many courier drivers.


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    #178
    dxhound2005
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    You are right, the An Post courier drivers do not use them , or the post office. Neither do many courier drivers.

    You are right about An Post. But how do you know how many couriers use them?


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    #179
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    OU812 wrote: »
    I see the benefit of it & use it daily for both personal & business use.

    The reason it has not caught on with the general public is because it is not as easy to use as other systems, plus it was a lot more expensive. Sounds like the new Childrens hospital? Yes, we all know there is a need for a childrens hospital, or post code system, but why a poorly designed, expensive one?

    As someone else said, an increasing number of tourists are starting to visit Ireland for walking and cycling routes and again Eircode are an utter fail when it comes to highlighting points of interest along these routes. If we want to grow our tourism numbers why are we not acting in a coherent manner and doing everything possible to direct and help tourists once they are here? Will waypoints on the Wild Atlantic Way be on Eircode? NO!

    A Duty of Care responsibility also arises if the State encourages tourists to visit remote locations such as the Wild Atlantic Way. The state must provide reasonable means for public safety, signage, and fixed rescue points etc. unfortunately Eircode provide no mechanism to assist in these scenarios.


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    #180
    janfebmar
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    You are right about An Post. But how do you know how many couriers use them?

    Sometimes when I meet a courier drivers / am signing for the delivery, I ask them do they use eircodes or what they think of the system. Not all of them even have broadband.


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    #181
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    The reason it has not caught on with the general public is because it is not as easy to use as other systems, plus it was a lot more expensive. Sounds like the new Childrens hospital? Yes, we all know there is a need for a childrens hospital, or post code system, but why a poorly designed, expensive one?

    As someone else said, an increasing number of tourists are starting to visit Ireland for walking and cycling routes and again Eircode are an utter fail when it comes to highlighting points of interest along these routes. If we want to grow our tourism numbers why are we not acting in a coherent manner and doing everything possible to direct and help tourists once they are here? Will waypoints on the Wild Atlantic Way be on Eircode? NO!

    A Duty of Care responsibility also arises if the State encourages tourists to visit remote locations such as the Wild Atlantic Way. The state must provide reasonable means for public safety, signage, and fixed rescue points etc. unfortunately Eircode provide no mechanism to assist in these scenarios.
    That's way beyond what the system was ever intended for. Indeed it's beyond any postcode system in use anywhere. It's for deliveries, not to signpost tourist attractions or provide rescue coordinates. Where did this angle come from? That's a huge red herring and reminiscent of a Gary Delaney press release.


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