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Eircodes, why do some courier companies not use them?

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    #92
    The high horse brigade
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    daheff wrote: »
    i only use eircode to prepopulate forms online.

    dont use it in real life because mine is wrong. it has my house listed as being in a town 30km away.... because its part of that postal district. fine for An post.. but not good for couriers

    Did you report it?


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    #93
    monkeysnapper
    Registered Users Posts: 2,576 ✭✭✭monkeysnapper


    I share your pain ....

    I was selling items on a buy and sell and a lady wanted to come see them ...she messaged me for directions ... I sent her eircode / a screen shot of map from eircode // this still wasnt enough.... i told her if she put eircode into Google maps it would sat nav her right to my door ....

    A huge fuss ,, 2/3 phone calls ...eventually I had to drive out to meet her a mile away ...

    Did she buy them ....

    NO.... it was to big for her ( even tho I had size in ad)

    " I only want a table to fit 3 chairs"

    So why the feck did you come see a table that was 6 ft by 4 ft with 6 chairs you stupid time wasting bag.

    Eircodes great .


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    #94
    The high horse brigade
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    monkeysnapper wrote: »
    I share your pain ....

    I was selling items on a buy and sell and a lady wanted to come see them ...she messaged me for directions ... I sent her eircode / a screen shot of map from eircode // this still wasnt enough.... i told her if she put eircode into Google maps it would sat nav her right to my door ....

    A huge fuss ,, 2/3 phone calls ...eventually I had to drive out to meet her a mile away ...

    Did she buy them ....

    NO.... it was to big for her ( even tho I had size in ad)

    " I only want a table to fit 3 chairs"

    So why the feck did you come see a table that was 6 ft by 4 ft with 6 chairs you stupid time wasting bag.

    Eircodes great .

    Sounds like she would struggle with any directions TBH. Why didn't she get the directions before she left?


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    #95
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
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    vargoo wrote: »
    They don't as their systems can't use them.
    They, most certainly, do use them. I was asked for it when I phoned for assistance for a neighbour and the driver said it made life so much easier for them.


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    #96
    gctest50
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    Gerardo Large Suicide wrote: »
    They, most certainly, do use them. I was asked for it when I phoned for assistance for a neighbour and the driver said it made life so much easier for them.


    Possesed

    https://boards.ie/thread/2057985010/1/#post110323474


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    #97
    vargoo
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    gctest50 wrote: »
    Possesed

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057985010&page=1#post110323474

    Eh? Will get a definite answer.

    Will take hours to find the podcast with bit I'm telling you about.


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    #98
    gctest50
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    vargoo wrote: »
    Eh? Will get a definite answer.

    Will take hours to find the podcast with bit I'm telling you about.

    They're all being fitted with mobile data terminals that will use the Eircode




    https://imgur.com/DPclhUJ



    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1168734399935954&id=398265096982892


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    #99
    Hitchens
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    Is it only Google maps that has eircode? Any other satnav companies using them yet?


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    #100
    recedite
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    daheff wrote: »
    i only use eircode to prepopulate forms online.

    dont use it in real life because mine is wrong. it has my house listed as being in a town 30km away.... because its part of that postal district. fine for An post.. but not good for couriers
    Check the eircode website. You'll see your geographic address and also your postal address, listed separately.
    For most people, both will be the same. But not all.


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    #101
    The high horse brigade
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    Hitchens wrote: »
    Is it only Google maps that has eircode? Any other satnav companies using them yet?

    Yes, Garmin and Tomtom


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    #102
    recedite
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    The high horse brigade wrote: »
    Yes, Garmin and Tomtom
    I don't know about that, you would have to be connected to the internet, and most normal sat navs are not.


    Eircode is not a location code. It is only a reference number that looks up an online database for the actual location. You get 50 lookups free per day (I think it used to be only about 15)


    However eircode can be converted to a Lo8 code which is an actual location code, and can therefore be used in an offline device.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCJnqYRKnWI

    Really we should be using Loc8 codes instead of eircodes, and that system was offered to the state for free, but that's a whole other story.


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    #103
    The high horse brigade
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    recedite wrote: »
    I don't know about that, you would have to be connected to the internet, and most normal sat navs are not.


    Eircode is not a location code. It is only a reference number that looks up an online database for the actual location. You get 50 lookups free per day (I think it used to be only about 15)

    The database is available to commercial GPS operators like TomTom to integrate into their own systems once they pay up, which they have done. If an Eircode is not searchable in their system that's their failing

    https://www.eircode.ie/news/2018/02/16/eircode-integrated-into-tomtom-maps


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    #104
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    I just checked on Wikipedia.

    As of June 2016, there are 124 postcode areas, 2,987 postcode districts, 11,192 postcode sectors, and 1,500 post towns. Addresses receiving large volumes of mail are each assigned separate "large user" postcodes. But most postcodes are shared by several neighbouring properties, typically covering about 15 addresses.

    From that it seems that Eircodes are more exact than Postcodes.

    Yeh of course they are. Most people who fetish the English system (or the NHS, or postcodes) never have lived in England. Not that it’s bad it’s just that it’s not the utopia the “hand Ireland back to the queen with an apology” believers think.

    The post codes in the U.K. are not per house unless you are isolated, they are per block. In cities this can be a dozen or more houses.


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    #105
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
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    recedite wrote: »
    I don't know about that, you would have to be connected to the internet, and most normal sat navs are not.


    Eircode is not a location code. It is only a reference number that looks up an online database for the actual location. You get 50 lookups free per day (I think it used to be only about 15)


    However eircode can be converted to a Lo8 code which is an actual location code, and can therefore be used in an offline device.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCJnqYRKnWI

    Really we should be using Loc8 codes instead of eircodes, and that system was offered to the state for free, but that's a whole other story.

    If the eircode can be mapped to a location then it works the same as a Loc8. Or better. If you want location codes to be exact use longitude and latitude.


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    #106
    recedite
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    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    If the eircode can be mapped to a location then it works the same as a Loc8. Or better. If you want location codes to be exact use longitude and latitude.
    Loc 8 is longitude and latitude encoded in a shortened form (plus a few extra bits).
    Eircode is a random reference number.


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    #107
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
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    recedite wrote: »
    Loc 8 is longitude and latitude encoded in a shortened form (plus a few extra bits).
    Eircode is a random reference number.

    The random number is a key that looks up the actual value (the location) in a database or a hashmap. That’s how most things work in computing. The idea that that’s worse is nonsense. there is no advantage to the number having the location encapsulated in it, rather than referenced from it.


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    #108
    Nobelium
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    Only Ireland could fck up and argue about something as simple as implementing a post code, something the rest of the world has been using without any fuss for generations.


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    #109
    OU812
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    recedite wrote: »
    <SNIP>

    However eircode can be converted to a Lo8 code which is an actual location code, and can therefore be used in an offline device.

    <SNIP>

    Really we should be using Loc8 codes instead of eircodes, and that system was offered to the state for free, but that's a whole other story.

    Loc8 requires a proprietary app & is owned by a private company, it's substandard for those reasons.

    Plus the guy who owned it came off like a whiney brat when he lost out. Total amateur hour time with him.


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    #110
    recedite
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    The high horse brigade wrote: »
    The database is available to commercial GPS operators like TomTom to integrate into their own systems once they pay up, which they have done. If an Eircode is not searchable in their system that's their failing

    https://www.eircode.ie/news/2018/02/16/eircode-integrated-into-tomtom-maps
    From the link
    Having TomTom as an Eircode Solution Provider means that members of the public and businesses can use Eircodes within TomTom Maps on mobile phones and tablets
    But can eircodes be used on a basic TomTom satnav that is offline?
    This could only work if TomTom had plotted every single eircode onto their base map. That would require a huge amount of storage space on the device itself. And at the end of the day, what would be the point, it would be just as easy (and wasteful of storage space) to plot every single house name and/or number.
    As time goes by, digital storage capacity becomes cheaper and smaller, and less of an issue on devices. But at the same time, the trend is for storage to become cloud-based and only accessed on demand anyway, so future devices will not really need vast capacity anyway.


    We could have had everyone using Loc8 codes on simple offline sat navs 10-15 years ago. But we are where we are.


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    #111
    Jupiter Mulligan
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    The high horse brigade wrote: »
    It's 6 number and letters, hardly much to learn, and you only need to learn your own. Everyone in our house use it all the time. Maybe a certain subset of people are just too stubborn to make the effort to memorise it.

    The number of Irish people who don't know their PPSN is staggering!

    Ask them to remember their Eircode as well and their brains would explode!


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    #112
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
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    Nobelium wrote: »
    Only Ireland could fck up and argue about something as simple as implementing a post code, something the rest of the world has been using without any fuss for generations.

    Only in Ireland could produce the kind of idiot that doesn’t understand why this system works, why it is better than many other systems, but automatically use the “only in Ireland” canard.

    Eircode is good and it works.


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    #113
    recedite
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    OU812 wrote: »
    Loc8 requires a proprietary app & is owned by a private company, it's substandard for those reasons.

    Plus the guy who owned it came off like a whiney brat when he lost out. Total amateur hour time with him.
    However he did offer it to the state for free. Whereas the eircode fiasco was full of vested interests and lobbyists, and cost us €38 million plus ongoing fees for access to the database.


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    #114
    Nobelium
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    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    there is no advantage to the number having the location encapsulated in it, rather than referenced from it.

    and lets face it from an Irish point of view, how else would you gouge a charge for it if you did


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    #115
    Jupiter Mulligan
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    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

    Only in Ireland could produce the kind of idiot that doesn’t understand why this system works, why it is better than many other systems, but automatically use the “only in Ireland” canard.

    Eircode is good and it works.

    True. But it cost the taxpayer far too much and took far too long to implement.


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    #116
    recedite
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    The obvious point is that a reference number that looks up an online database requires a reliable internet connection. And that isn't always available. The signal could be bad, or your call credit might have run out.


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    #117
    Nobelium
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    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    Only in Ireland could produce the kind of idiot that doesn’t understand why this system works, why it is better than many other systems, but automatically use the “only in Ireland” canard.

    Eircode is good and it works.

    The only idiot is the one that believes a simple grid reference format for a location, needs to be encrypted so they can gouge a charge for it.

    Eircode works, but only with costly conditions and work arounds.


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    #118
    OU812
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    recedite wrote: »
    However he did offer it to the state for free. Whereas the eircode fiasco was full of vested interests and lobbyists, and cost us €38 million plus ongoing fees for access to the database.

    Was he going to offer it to all the mapping & GPS companies for free to? Highly doubtful.

    Also, it’s extra characters & layout to eircode. It wouldn’t be used by people.

    There’s an obvious upside to him offering it for free. State adopts it, he can charge through the nose to use it. Plus he’d own it & could make changes/pull it at a whim.

    A zip or postal code option would have been the cheapest and simplest to implement, however, To go with LOC-8 for any reason would be a bad idea. The state made the correct decision in this case


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    #119
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
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    Nobelium wrote: »
    and lets face it from an Irish point of view, how else would you gouge a charge for it if you did

    Christ. If they offered it for free you’d claim that the taxpayer was being gouged. Why should the state subsidse private couriers?


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    #120
    Nobelium
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    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    Christ. If they offered it for free you’d claim that the taxpayer was being gouged. Why should the state subsidies private couriers?

    Who do you think private couriers pass the charge onto, the magic sky fairies ?

    Next you'll be claiming all grid references should be encrypted and charged for by the state.


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    #121
    recedite
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    No he offered it to the state, so the state would have owned it.
    There would be no charges to anybody after that.
    He'd have been taken on as management/consultant, so he'd have been on the pigs back. But no more than any other high level civil service executive.


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