On the verge of purchasing a boat from the U.K.

Cheers Tom.

I certainly got some good & useful advice from the good folk on this thread, and at the same time, it's a nice log to have of the events leading up to buying the boat as well as sailing her home.

I've already had herself and the young lad out for a short sail last Saturday, out around Lambay Island and back to Malahide and they both seemed to enjoy it (not a lot of wind and the sun shining helped). She helmed the boat from Lambay all the way back to the marina berth at Malahide (with about 2-3 kts of tide flowing through the berth), and seemed to take interest in me explaining the various marks we passed (cardinal & channel marks) on the way back and how we need to interact with them. We also picked up a few weather forecasts & small craft warnings, so she's understanding more and more how it all works (example: small craft warning for high winds later on the Saturday of last week, so I explained that if we were doing a distance sail that day, we'd be making sure to be in somewhere sheltered safely before the high winds arrived).

She's already got a few pairs of Dubarry's from 2012 (I was working Galway direction so used to regularly visit the Dubarry factory store), so the stiletto's were already ditched (me planting seeds back in 2012!!).

Next up is hopefully a trip around to Dun Laoghaire (or Poolbeg) this weekend.

DOCARCH wrote: »

:P

I have tried my best to explain the science/physics of it....but no....

I'd say just show her the boat out of the water, as well as pictures of many boats out of the water (especially ones with big f**k off bulb keels).

Last Saturday was grand, only about 5-8 kts of wind on the beam out to Lambay, and I only unfurled the headsail. We motored back as the wind was even lighter.

Things got a little choppy on the far side of the island and the little fella went below to lie down (I thought he'd be sick, but he was grand), but once we turned back south for Malahide and the wind died it was calm again and all were well.

It'll probably be similar again tomorrow depending on wind. Around to Dublin Bay to visit Dun Laoghaire most likely, though i'd like to get the main up as well (its got lazy jacks, not not a huge deal getting it up & down). My brother might meet us for the return leg back to Malahide. He's been away from sailing for as long as I have, but he raced a lot in his youth (King 1 & a Jeanneau Fun both out of Poolbeg for a good few years), as well as working out in the INSS as an instructor like myself.

Tabnabs wrote: »

Do an overnighter to DL and take the family up the town for food, drinks etc. Introduce the lifestyle angle. Some good weather forecast for September.

I was thinking Greystones could be a good first overnighter, but perhaps Dun Laoghaire could be the better option, although I'm not sure if it would happen this year or not, however a good spell of weather would help make it happen this year.

Tabnabs wrote: »

Greystones is another 2/3 hours south of DL, break them in gently

True, it all seems so small now after recently doing 400nm from Portsmouth!!

BowWow wrote: »

What does it draw?

I only draw 1.2 metres as she's the wing keel version.

I'd have always assumed Howth would be grand at any stage of the tide for anything drawing up to 2-3m

BowWow wrote: »

Absolutely no problem in Howth at any time with that.

That’s what I’d have thought alright.

In Malahide I’m giving myself about 2 hours either side of low water as a buffer, as when we came in from the delivery, we were about 1.5 hours before low water and we went down to as low as 0.3m under the keel at one stage!!

LW tomorrow morning in Malahide is 9:40am, so I’d like to give it a try at about 11am safe in the knowledge of being on an incoming tide.

Forecasting 5-10 kts from the south, so perhaps motorsail around to the Bay and have a nice sail back.

The young lad was not so well yesterday morning so OH stayed at home with him, and I went out with my brother and one of his friends. We headed for Dublin Bay, but in very little wind and a bit of a swell going around the Bailey, his friend was quite seasick, so we ploughed on and dropped him off at Poolbeg and had a lovely sail back around to Malahide.

It was good in a way that I know that'd be too far to bring the little lad in one day (over and back), so the plan with him would be an overnight over to Dun Laoghaire, and back the following day.

Also, heading around to Dublin Bay from Malahide, it'll be much better to leave 2 hours before low water as opposed to 2 hours after low water as we pushed into a hell of a tide getting around to the Bailey yesterday leaving after low water.

And of course BoBandy forgot to apply sun cream, so my face is now lobster red with a white band around my eyes!!

neris wrote: »

Was that you ploughing down towards howth yesterday afternoon under engine

It certainly was!!

You on a 17?

We only stayed for about half an hour, and then ploughed on back, and went around a few of the 17’s again.

(Excuse the filthy life bouy, it needs to be cleaned or replaced!!)

How did she look?

rising_damp wrote: »

Hello, I'm thick, bad at maths and bad at tax, so excuse me if I'm asking naive and silly questions.
I'm trying to buy a wide beam narrowboat from the UK. Probably an unfitted sailaway shell is all I can afford. I'm just wondering what type of VAT and import duty I'd have to pay on it?

Hypothetically say:
wide beam narrowboat €50,000
haulage €4000

Using this website customsdutyfree . com/duty-calculator/ I got:
VAT (vat rate * (Customs duty+CIF+other taxes if applicable)) : €12512
which seems like SO much!!

Is it better value to buy a used boat or is it the same?

If you buy a used boat, and the VAT is already paid in the E.U. then you will have no more VAT liabilities on if if you bring it to Ireland.

If buying a new boat in the U.K., if its cheaper to pay the VAT in Ireland, then you could do that, if cheaper in the U.K. then pay it there, either way, VAT will need to be paid somewhere.