Longford travellers in major row on towns main Street.

punisher5112 · 17-12-2019 2:26pm

baldbear wrote: »

Completely disagree. Longford town has great people. The law have allowed travellers to run riot in the town. Give them Mickey mouse sentences & they keep fighting. The traveller culture is the problem in Longford.

That's the judicial system you mean.... Gardai have had enough just like many decent working people as I've had enough of them.

MrAbyss · 17-12-2019 2:55pm

The reason why Pavees have graves like they are on Las Vegas Sunset Strip is really interesting.

I would like to understand this cultural and psychological phenomenon more tbh.

MrAbyss · 17-12-2019 2:56pm

I honestly have no issue with them fighting one another once innocent bystanders and property is left undamaged.

LuasSimon · 17-12-2019 5:54pm

https://www.thejournal.ie/court-appearance-longford-4937018-Dec2019/

Is there any end to travellers and their feuds , easy known none of them are expected to or bother working .
Longford seems to have a huge amount of these incidents , not very fair on law abiding people of Longford but like many other parts of the country non travellers have no rights .

Assetbacked · 17-12-2019 6:07pm

Hate speech consultation has involved advocacy from certain groups that particular minorities need extra protection. One of these groups is of course the travelling community as apparently highlighting facts such as over-representation in crime stats, animal abuse and child neglect amounts to some type of perpetual mistreatment by society.

topper75 · 17-12-2019 6:27pm

These feuds suggest that nobody hates the Irish travellers quite like themselves at times.

The oppressed minority narrative seeking to progress in life but being held back by bigotry is merely mocked by these news stories.

They need to get their house in order. Pavee Point is a potential vehicle for that if they were interested.

Bishop of hope · 17-12-2019 7:17pm

The headline is hilarious.

https://www.shannonside.ie/news/local/longford/judge-warns-men-charged-following-longford-street-violence-bury-hatchet/

Cee-Jay-Cee · 17-12-2019 7:19pm

OP, why are you surprised? That's typical behaviour for travellers. Most of them are inbred low intelligence scumbags and we just have to accept that because...you know, ethnic minority blah blah blah

whisky_galore · 17-12-2019 7:24pm

MrAbyss wrote: »

The reason why Pavees have graves like they are on Las Vegas Sunset Strip is really interesting.

I would like to understand this cultural and psychological phenomenon more tbh.

It's a display of wealth, like the over the top weddings.
It doesn't have to look any way tasteful, just expensive.

boombang · 17-12-2019 7:31pm

I like the way that the Longford Leader reported that these people are travellers in the way that much of the hypocritical Dublin media won't.

17-12-2019 7:33pm

Wonder why they were at the Post Office.... would love to know how many of these arent on Disability Allowance as well... I'd hazard slim to none.

the dark phantom · 17-12-2019 7:33pm

The Gardaí shouldn't be allowed to disrupt an ethnic traditional melee, Ethnic traditions must be respected. You have to hand it to Travellers, they don't give a ****.

Grab All Association · 17-12-2019 7:38pm

gilberto_eire wrote: »

Wonder why they were at the Post Office.... would love to know how many of these arent on Disability Allowance as well... I'd hazard slim to none.

Disability Allowance is paid on Wednesday I believe. Jobseekers Allowance most likely if it was a Monday.

NasserShammaz · 17-12-2019 7:49pm

Tumbleweed ordered , delivery address:
Mr Martin Collins,
Paveen pointless office
Nuttin to see ave,
Someone else's land

jmayo · 17-12-2019 8:00pm

Just noticed this thread, but even more so I noticed there is something seriously wrong around here.

There hasn't been one of the usual suspects on this thread lambasting anyone for daring to discuss this issue since it concerns one of their sacred cows.

Or should that be sacred horses in this case?

Very disconcerting not to be lectured about how racist we all are or even how we dump our rubbish on the poor travellers.

punisher5112 · 17-12-2019 8:42pm

jmayo wrote: »

Just noticed this thread, but even more so I noticed there is something seriously wrong around here.

There hasn't been one of the usual suspects on this thread lambasting anyone for daring to discuss this issue since it concerns one of their sacred cows.

Or should that be sacred horses in this case?

Very disconcerting not to be lectured about how racist we all are or even how we dump our rubbish on the poor travellers.

Yeah I tend to expect a dogooder or 3 to attend and spout absolute rubbish such as settled folk are the ones fly tipping on the halting sites and surrounding roads, fields, reserves and so on...

Always wondered how one that doesn't work can get commercial insurance, tax and drive around in vans, pick ups etc and never questioned....

MrMusician18 · 17-12-2019 8:49pm

jmayo wrote: »

Just noticed this thread, but even more so I noticed there is something seriously wrong around here.

There hasn't been one of the usual suspects on this thread lambasting anyone for daring to discuss this issue since it concerns one of their sacred cows.

Or should that be sacred horses in this case?

Very disconcerting not to be lectured about how racist we all are or even how we dump our rubbish on the poor travellers.

Ah Joey, lol!

Alrigghtythen · 17-12-2019 8:55pm

Ah sure look, they might have had the axes for cutting down the christmas tree and a halarious string of misunderstandings and mishaps happened before they ended up in main street.

LuasSimon · 17-12-2019 9:07pm

Travellers are outbreeding the tax payers hand over fist , They must make up a very high percentage of the welfare numbers .

The census figures for travellers are wildly inaccurate seeing as it’s been admitted as few as a third of travellers filled up most recent census forms . 100,000 would be a far more accurate figure of travellers .

Jurgen The German · 17-12-2019 9:11pm

pgj2015 wrote: »

Not sure about Drogheda but Longford Town is and always was a total kip, mostly because of the people who live there.

Nonsense. I'm from there originally. In the mid to late 90s and up to the mid 00s it was thriving. It never really benefited from the boom other than a shyt load of houses were built but when the recession hit it was decimated. Scores of businesses closed, massive job losses and resultant emigration means there is very little industry. Abbots have a huge plant there and the head office of the prison services is also there but most seem to commute to it. As a result of better road infrastructure you can be in sligo in an hour or Dublin in little over an hour. Its essentially been bypassed. Personally I'd never move back there but most folk there are decent and just go on about their business, its these scum that have infested it that are the problem. They roam the streets during the day eye balling anyone that crosses their line of vision, completely oblivious to and above the law.

SEPT 23 1989 · 17-12-2019 9:17pm

LuasSimon wrote: »

Travellers are outbreeding the tax payers hand over fist , They must make up a very high percentage of the welfare numbers .

The census figures for travellers are wildly inaccurate seeing as it’s been admitted as few as a third of travellers filled up most recent census forms . 100,000 would be a far more accurate figure of travellers .

1 in 3 end up in the prison system at some point in their lives

1 in 3

Think about that for a minute

But I as a member of the civilised community sorry settled community

Mr Collins

take full responsibility for that statistic

LuasSimon · 17-12-2019 10:35pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

1 in 3 end up in the prison system at some point in their lives

1 in 3

Think about that for a minute

But I as a member of the civilised community sorry settled community

Mr Collins

take full responsibility for that statistic

1 in 3 .... and then consider many have multiple convictions before they end up inside ... and then how many crimes can you commit before your caught especially in rural Ireland with no guards ... the mind boggles how much crime travellers are involved in but Fine Gael want us to stay quite about it !!

LuasSimon · 24-12-2019 10:53am

https://www.echolive.ie/nationalnews/Waterford-shooting-may-be-escalation-of-a-feud-cde3b2d4-9733-42ec-ac67-629fb6379b28-ds

Longford isn’t the only traveller feud getting serious this Christmas , Waterford city traveller feud kicking off big time yesterday . Shot first then hit by a car , you’d hardly see it in the toughest part of London . Baghdad maybe ...
Not that RTÉ or the government care

randd1 · 24-12-2019 10:55am

NasserShammaz wrote: »

Tumbleweed ordered , delivery address:
Mr Martin Collins,
Paveen pointless office
Nuttin to see ave,
Someone else's land

Jaysus, even their business address requires trespassing.

Eggs For Dinner · 24-12-2019 11:15am

gilberto_eire wrote: »

Wonder why they were at the Post Office.... would love to know how many of these arent on Disability Allowance as well... I'd hazard slim to none.

Perhaps they've heard of the difficulties RTE are in and were buying a TV Licence.

People are jumping to conclusions

Fr_Dougal · 24-12-2019 11:51am

Pavee Point will come out and say that violence against travellers is on the increase. Of course they won’t say that it’s all traveller-on-traveller violence, that wouldn’t suit their agenda.

celticWario · 24-12-2019 1:09pm

The truth is that traveller "society" is a failure, not because of settled people, racism etc.
The fundamental problem is that traveller culture has devolved into an unfixable crimeridden mess.
They do not want to change their culture, and expect others to tolerate and accommodate their anti-social and criminal behaviour. They have become socially incompatable by their own design, not because of racism from the settled community, but by their own disdain and hostility towards us.
They believe settled people are out to "get" them, when in fact we are simply exhausted by them, exhausted by the social pathologies, the violence and criminality, the endless complaints, the blind tribal solidarity, the bottomless pit of grievances, the excuses, and the reflexive animosity to authority, while demanding the same authorities fund their existence and provide free services and welfare from cradle to grave.

dodzy · 24-12-2019 1:20pm

Vile scum. Heard a line many years ago.... "there's no such thing as a good k......" .

So true.

Paddy Cow · 24-12-2019 2:03pm

Deleted User wrote: »

We must protect our indigenous culture at all costs. Especially that of the taxpayer.

This drives me mad. People have been settled in Ireland for over 7,000 years. We are the indigenous culture and travellers are foreign invaders from the North.

LuasSimon · 24-12-2019 2:33pm

Welfare from cradle to grave ....what percentage do they make up of the welfare bill ??
Their numbers are outpacing the working population year in year out due to most people working unable to afford to have anymore than 1 or 2 children unlike travellers who have up to ten children paid for by the taxpayers . In many towns and villages it’s gone beyond recall , Law abiding people have no quality of life due to traveller crime and intimidation and Fine Gael and RTÉ ignore it .

Mad_maxx · 24-12-2019 2:39pm

LuasSimon wrote: »

Welfare from cradle to grave ....what percentage do they make up of the welfare bill ??
Their numbers are outpacing the working population year in year out due to most people working unable to afford to have anymore than 1 or 2 children unlike travellers who have up to ten children paid for by the taxpayers . In many towns and villages it’s gone beyond recall , Law abiding people have no quality of life due to traveller crime and intimidation and Fine Gael and RTÉ ignore it .

Stop paying the TV licence, they can't jail us all

Ipso · 24-12-2019 5:26pm

Paddy Cow wrote: »

This drives me mad. People have been settled in Ireland for over 7,000 years. We are the indigenous culture and travellers are foreign invaders from the North.

That escalated quickly

beggars_bush · 24-12-2019 6:23pm

Town full of NI and UK reg cars since last Friday

Invasion for the xmas season in full swing

tuxy · 24-12-2019 6:34pm

Does anyone know if Rathkeele is full of armed Gardaí again this year?
Maybe they will deploy a few to places like Longford.

LuasSimon · 24-12-2019 7:07pm

The rathkeale crowd to be fair are genuine travellers who travel to the UK or Europe for most of the year doing whatever they do . They would be a lot more civilised than the layabouts in so many other towns and villages across this country masquerading as travellers . Rathkeale travellers aren’t into kicking the crap out of elderly people living on their own in the middle of the night or going round in tracksuits acting like complete scumm.

It’s the ones in the housing estates and halting sites all over towns in Ireland like Longford , mullingar , Ennis , bunclody , Tralee , abbeyfeale etc that are destroying this country , travel nowhere.only for crime or handouts . Contribute nothing only crime and fear but want everything .

The Satanist · 24-12-2019 7:17pm

LuasSimon wrote: »

The rathkeale crowd to be fair are genuine travellers who travel to the UK or Europe for most of the year doing whatever they do . They would be a lot more civilised than the layabouts in so many other towns and villages across this country masquerading as travellers . Rathkeale travellers aren’t into kicking the crap out of elderly people living on their own in the middle of the night or going round in tracksuits acting like complete scumm.

It’s the ones in the housing estates and halting sites all over towns in Ireland like Longford , mullingar , Ennis , bunclody , Tralee , abbeyfeale etc that are destroying this country , travel nowhere.only for crime or handouts . Contribute nothing only crime and fear but want everything .

A quick Google of "Rathkeale feud" suggests they are anything but decent

tastyt · 24-12-2019 7:20pm

The Satanist wrote: »

A quick Google of "Rathkeale feud" suggests they are anything but decent

They are decent apparently because they leave rathkeale for most of the year and go around robbing old people in Europe. Thats grand so, lovely guys

Filmer Paradise · 25-12-2019 2:02am

celticWario wrote: »

The truth is that traveller "society" is a failure, not because of settled people, racism etc.
The fundamental problem is that traveller culture has devolved into an unfixable crimeridden mess.
They do not want to change their culture, and expect others to tolerate and accommodate their anti-social and criminal behaviour. They have become socially incompatable by their own design, not because of racism from the settled community, but by their own disdain and hostility towards us.
They believe settled people are out to "get" them, when in fact we are simply exhausted by them, exhausted by the social pathologies, the violence and criminality, the endless complaints, the blind tribal solidarity, the bottomless pit of grievances, the excuses, and the reflexive animosity to authority, while demanding the same authorities fund their existence and provide free services and welfare from cradle to grave.

A definate and definative way of describing the way the situation stands right now with these sorts.

They create mayhem & we pay for it.

Enough is enough & enough people in this country now truly hate them that the political will should be there now to stop them in their tracks.

Anybody who defends them at this stage deserves to be shot with a ball of their own ****e.

dd973 · 25-12-2019 2:42am

There's some seriously s**t places on the western fringes of London near the M25 and Heathrow, West Drayton, Hayes, Hounslow etc that hold some weird sort of magnetic pull for our mobile brethren, Luton is another dump they think is great.

Fact of the matter is that every poster here, myself included would be doing what they do if they were born into that community, so aside from forced adoption there's no solution really.

MrMusician18 · 25-12-2019 3:13am

dd973 wrote: »

There's some seriously s**t places on the western fringes of London near the M25 and Heathrow, West Drayton, Hayes, Hounslow etc that hold some weird sort of magnetic pull for our mobile brethren, Luton is another dump they think is great.

Fact of the matter is that every poster here, myself included would be doing what they do if they were born into that community, so aside from forced adoption there's no solution really.

What? There's lots the state can do. It can start by imposing serious penalties for truancy for a start.

Education really is the only long term solution to the anti social behavior in the travelling community.

25-12-2019 5:39am

dd973 wrote: »

There's some seriously s**t places on the western fringes of London near the M25 and Heathrow, West Drayton, Hayes, Hounslow etc that hold some weird sort of magnetic pull for our mobile brethren, Luton is another dump they think is great.

Fact of the matter is that every poster here, myself included would be doing what they do if they were born into that community, so aside from forced adoption there's no solution really.

That's some amount of equivocation and defence of inexcusable behaviour in such a short post. Those places are dumps primarily because of who inhabits them and little else.

Besides, how could anyone here be born into that community unless our mother and father were both our first cousints once removed.

And another thing it's not as if they're brassic or owt like that, plenty of layabouts content to collect their rock without causing mischief and mayhem where'er they go. Consanguination has got to be a major contributing factor..... as no study will ever show.

Also I don't know much about those places you mentioned but there's another scourge in Luton that's related to multiculturalism and to speak of it is considered haram/hate speech/racism.

Also, as our travelling brethren are wont to say "if it's in the cat it's in the kitten" so I don't think your adoption theory would work either.

Hoboo · 25-12-2019 5:53am

dd973 wrote: »

so aside from forced adoption there's no solution really.

Sterilisation. The only solution.

tdf7187 · 25-12-2019 7:20am

punisher5112 wrote: »

Travellers that don't travel and are constantly speaking out of how they aren't provided housing but yet they are it's just they tend to destroy and burn most of these properties....

Nutgrove had amazing newly built detached homes 2 destroyed, 1 done up and destroyed again so both stand as shells for the last many years.....

Amazing country how is tax paying fools fund these thugs, drug dealers, robbers and plain old spongers.

As the great Theodore Dalrymple put it: "Do sties make pigs, or do pigs make sties?"

https://www.city-journal.org/html/do-sties-make-pigs-12343.html

He wrote a book called "Life at the Bottom: The Worldview That Makes the Underclass". He couldn't get a publisher in the UK - his targets were not the 'underclass' but the liberal chattering classes that pretend to help them but do the opposite.

tdf7187 · 25-12-2019 7:24am

Hoboo wrote: »

Sterilisation. The only solution.

Never going to happen, and I wouldn't support it on ethical grounds.

Hoboo · 25-12-2019 10:07am

tdf7187 wrote: »

Never going to happen, and I wouldn't support it on ethical grounds.

Worryingly, you took that comment as a sincere suggestion.l

pgj2015 · 25-12-2019 10:14am

would mandatory military service be a solution? all males and females to do 1-2 years in the army from 18 years old to 20. it might go some way to changing how the travellers behave in society.

Paddy Cow · 25-12-2019 10:34am

pgj2015 wrote: »

would mandatory military service be a solution? all males and females to do 1-2 years in the army from 18 years old to 20. it might go some way to changing how the travellers behave in society.

Most of the women are married with at least one kid by 18, so not a chance you could force a mother away from her child for 1-2 years. Military service isn't going to undo a lifetime of conditioning. Travellers have the same problems any section of society has that has multigenerational welfare dependency - no respect for education or employment and a propensity to top up said welfare with nixers and crime. The only way to try and change it is to keep the kids in school for as long as possible but it's hard to keep kids interested in studying when the parents have no time for it.

pgj2015 · 25-12-2019 10:46am

Paddy Cow wrote: »

Most of the women are married with at least one kid by 18, so not a chance you could force a mother away from her child for 1-2 years. Military service isn't going to undo a lifetime of conditioning. Travellers have the same problems any section of society has that has multigenerational welfare dependency - no respect for education or employment and a propensity to top up said welfare with nixers and crime. The only way to try and change it is to keep the kids in school for as long as possible but it's hard to keep kids interested in studying when the parents have no time for it.

the government could raise the age to get married to 21. no one under that age should be getting married anyway. i know people in other countries who were real trouble makers and heading for a life of crime but military service did wonders for them and they turned their life around.

wellwhynot · 25-12-2019 11:50am

Children’s allowance should only be paid to parents whose children are in education. Dole age raised to 21.

wellwhynot · 25-12-2019 11:51am

Military service for any juveniles found guilty of two crimes.

Longford travellers in major row on towns main Street.

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