Self driving buses, trains, trucks etc

AlmightyCushion · 18-02-2019 4:16pm

paleoperson wrote: »

He seems to be trying to walk back his remarks a bit also. The point remains that in his original comment he stated they won't be able to drive themselves in certain conditions. Now I'm sure he didn't mean extreme weather conditions where the car is physically unable to move, right? I think it's at least fair to say that AI will never be driving in icy weather.

We don't actually know what he was referring to as the comments were from a talk he gave which as far as I can see was never put up on line. So all we have to go with are short quotes in articles. From the Cnet article.

And he doesn't think the industry will ever be able to drive at any time of year in any weather and any condition, the highest driving rating. Driving in all conditions can be difficult for humans too, he noted.

"Autonomy always will have some constraints," he said.

That's pretty much what we're going on here. Note the first part, is not a direct quote of his. I can see how it can be interpreted both ways but seeing as he clarified after wards that it was taken out of context I think he was saying that AI will struggle driving under certain conditions just like humans do.

cnocbui · 18-02-2019 4:30pm

AI systems don't 'struggle', they fail. Not the same thing at all. One reason almost all the AI driving testing is being done in bone-dry places is because they don't handle wet roads, ice or snow, very well at all.

18-02-2019 4:39pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

a fantastic expert to speak about self driving cars!

As a motorist, his profession does not matter.

AlmightyCushion · 18-02-2019 4:46pm

cnocbui wrote: »

AI systems don't 'struggle', they fail. Not the same thing at all. One reason almost all the AI driving testing is being done in bone-dry places is because they don't handle wet roads, ice or snow, very well at all.

So, the technology will never improve? It's 100% static and what it can do now, is all it will ever be able to do in the future?

Computers used to lose a game of chess to even average players, they started beating the best in the world a long time ago. Computers used to lose games of Go to even average players, then a few years ago they started beating the best in the world. Voice recognition used to be absolutely rubbish, I remember people saying that it would never work and it wouldn't ever be able to deal with accents (especially Irish ones). Technology evolves and improves. Self driving cars might not be able to handle those conditions now but I don't think that will always be the case.

paleoperson · 18-02-2019 4:54pm

AlmightyCushion I don't know what you are trying to argue here.

He already confirmed that he said that by twitter, you posted it yourself - quite helpfully in fact. So why are you now going back and questioning whether he said it or not or trying to downplay it again? We're not playing a game. He confirmed a statement saying it will be decades before it will work fully and it will never work in certain conditions. I don't know why you are randomly going back to this earlier part of the conversation and suggesting I didn't get it.

I completely acknowledged that it might indeed be taken out of context but stated it's fair enough to say that it won't happen for a long time self-driving cars will be in Ireland and that we're unlikely to see it ever in icy conditions. As far as I'm concerned pretty much the conversation is done.

AlmightyCushion · 18-02-2019 5:08pm

paleoperson wrote: »

AlmightyCushion I don't know what you are trying to argue here.

He already confirmed that he said that by twitter, you posted it yourself - quite helpfully in fact. So why are you now going back and questioning whether he said it or not or trying to downplay it again? We're not playing a game. He confirmed a statement saying it will be decades before it will work fully and it will never work in certain conditions. I don't know why you are randomly going back to this earlier part of the conversation and suggesting I didn't get it.

Because he didn't confirm it would take decades before it would work fully. He said it would be decades before self driving cars would be widespread. If self driving cars were comparable in performance to human drivers and were available for sale tomorrow, then they still wouldn't be widespread for at least a decade. Look at electric cars, they have been available for years. Long range electric cars are available right now. However, electric cars still aren't widespread because of many other factors.

His statements are being taken out of context, he said it so himself.

paleoperson wrote: »

I completely acknowledged that it might indeed be taken out of context but stated it's fair enough to say that it won't happen for a long time self-driving cars will be in Ireland and that we're unlikely to see it ever in icy conditions. As far as I'm concerned that's pretty much the conversation is done.

And I agreed that his comments are open to interpretation both ways.

cnocbui · 18-02-2019 5:32pm

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

So, the technology will never improve? It's 100% static and what it can do now, is all it will ever be able to do in the future?

Computers used to lose a game of chess to even average players, they started beating the best in the world a long time ago. Computers used to lose games of Go to even average players, then a few years ago they started beating the best in the world. Voice recognition used to be absolutely rubbish, I remember people saying that it would never work and it wouldn't ever be able to deal with accents (especially Irish ones). Technology evolves and improves. Self driving cars might not be able to handle those conditions now but I don't think that will always be the case.

I have been reading about the imminent arrival of cheap, limitless energy from nuclear fusion since the 1970's, and it's still just 30 years away. How's that all encompassing cure for cancer coming? Of course technology improves and I fully expect AI driving to improve, but I don't expect it to ever match humans, because I don't believe general intelligence is a nut we will crack, any more than we will interstellar travel. Computer processor feature sizes are already at 7nm - for some features anyway, and 5nm is in the works, but less than 5 is really doubtful, and that's without even touching on what is Intelligence and how do you make it.

So some technology certainly does advance, while some problems are so big that technological advances barely make any headway on them, even on the scale of a human lifetime.

defrule · 19-02-2019 2:30am

I think it’s data problem, you give the neural network enough data and it will learn to drive in any condition.

But it’s the unexpected stuff that is interesting and you want the car to be able to handle. But the unexpected nature means it’s harder to simulate scenarios for the car to learn from.

markodaly · 19-02-2019 10:25am

https://medium.com/waymo/an-update-on-waymo-disengagements-in-california-d671fd31c3e2

Waymo disengagements dropped 50% in 2018 compared to 2017. The cars are learning all the time every second of every day.

paleoperson · 19-02-2019 4:26pm

markodaly wrote: »

https://medium.com/waymo/an-update-on-waymo-disengagements-in-california-d671fd31c3e2

Waymo disengagements dropped 50% in 2018 compared to 2017. The cars are learning all the time every second of every day.

Is that supposed to be impressive? You could also say they are learning to predict weather patterns "all the time every second of every day" by taking in new information but what good is that if it doesn't noticeably increase the skill?

You already heard it from Steve Wozniacki and others high up in the corporations, now you're hearing it straight from the horses mouth. What are you still with this blind faith in it for? Forget about self-driving cars, it's bogus.

cnocbui · 20-02-2019 2:15pm

Tesla CEO Elon Musk expects that the electric car maker will have the technology needed to essentially operate vehicles without drivers by the end of the year.

The entrepreneur made the comment on a podcast with Cathie Wood and Tasha Keeney of ARK Invest, a firm that owns shares in the company. Tesla's automated driver assistance system Autopilot has garnered both positive attention for the sophistication of its features and negative attention for its association with a number of high-profile accidents.

"I think we will be feature complete — full self-driving — this year," Musk said. "Meaning the car will be able to find you in a parking lot, pick you up and take you all the way to your destination without an intervention, this year. I would say I am of certain of that. That is not a question mark."

This is in line with previous comments Musk made on Tesla's fourth-quarter earnings call.

"However," he added, "people sometimes will extrapolate that to mean now it works with 100 percent certainty, requires no observation, perfectly. This is not the case."

In addition, the speed at which the technology makes it into the hands of customers depends on what regulators will allow, Musk added.

However within two years, the technology ought to be there for cars to operate without any help from a driver at all.

"My guess as to when we would think it is safe for somebody to essentially fall asleep and wake up at their destination? Probably towards the end of next year," he said. "That is when I think it would be safe enough for that."

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/19/elon-musk-tesla-will-have-all-its-self-driving-car-features-by-the-end-of-the-year.html

Elon Musk doing his best Trump impression. I think he's not just lying through his teeth but committing outright fraud here in order to up-sell the €5,200 add-on AI driving package.

The trouble is some people believe his hype and give it greater credence than what is actually written in fine print in the user manual. Tesla's are still running straight into large stationary objects at full speed, not perceiving them at all, but in a years time you will be able to sleep? Someone please lock him up.

This nonsense of just letting tech companies run amok and do whatever they like, as has happened with Uber and Airbnb, needs to stop, particularly where human lives are potentially at risk.

magicbastarder · 23-02-2019 11:06am

not quite at the level of self-driving cars:

https://twitter.com/trent_dan/status/1098921848400560129

cnocbui · 23-02-2019 12:03pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

not quite at the level of self-driving cars:

https://twitter.com/trent_dan/status/1098921848400560129

Not really a worry, it's only cyclists.

markodaly · 23-02-2019 2:32pm

paleoperson wrote: »

I Forget about self-driving cars, it's bogus.

Yawn.

People are contrarian for the sake of being contrarian.

In answer to your question, yes, lower disengagement means these cars can drive longer on its own, without any need for a manual override. They average about one disengagement per 1,000 miles driven and the number is increasing all the time.

markodaly · 23-02-2019 2:36pm

cnocbui wrote: »

Someone please lock him up.

If only this was a dictatorship.

This nonsense of just letting tech companies run amok and do whatever they like, as has happened with Uber and Airbnb, needs to stop, particularly where human lives are potentially at risk.

AirBnb put lives at risk?

markodaly · 23-02-2019 2:37pm

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/waymo-self-driving-cars-police-officer-gestures/

Another day, another milestone.

cnocbui · 23-02-2019 4:42pm

markodaly wrote: »

If only this was a dictatorship.

AirBnb put lives at risk?

I don't get the dictatorship reference. If you take the fanboy blinkers off for a moment, you might see that I am not alone in the opinion I expressed:

Musk recently said he expects Tesla to have all the features needed for fully self-driving cars by the end of the year. That seems like an almost impossible goal, Cox Automotive executive publisher Karl Brauer said Wednesday on CNBC's "The Exchange." Other companies working on autonomous driving technology, such as Waymo, are not making such bold predictions.

"I think he is overpromising on autonomous vehicles in an almost unethical way," AutoNation CEO Mike Jackson said on "Squawk Box," referring to Musk.

Jackson has long been a Tesla critic and has accused Musk of using "bait-and-switch" tactics on consumers, making commitments he cannot keep

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/22/elon-musk-is-almost-unethical-says-outgoing-autonation-ceo.html

Musk is lying about Tesla's autonomous driving timelines - which I think may be totally unachievable -period - because they don't have LIDAR - in order to try and con people into paying large sums of money for something that will not deliver on the promise in the timeframe Musk has stated. He is is utterly unethical.

28-02-2019 7:23pm

BBC News - Why are more and more car companies teaming up?

When BMW and Daimler announced a €1bn (£880m) partnership last week to develop a suite of "mobility services" together, it was a clear sign of how the auto industry had changed.

For one thing, the German giants - who plan to work on driverless vehicles, ride-hailing and pay-per-use cars together - are normally fierce rivals who would never dream of teaming up.

For another, their pact was just the latest in a growing line of partnerships between traditional carmakers who are preparing for an uncertain future, in which next-generation technology could upend the industry and Silicon Valley could hold more sway than Detroit or Wolfsburg.

Full article at http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47376677

cnocbui · 21-03-2019 11:53am

This is a Tesla model S self driving it's owner into their grave, in China. Musk's claim of fully autonomous by the end of the year is scary. Without Lidar, it is probably not possible, let alone safe, but that's Ok, we'll let the public find out by being beta testers.

Still, Tesla has nothing on Boeing, when it comes to killing people with sheer engineering arrogance in automation.

markodaly · 21-03-2019 12:22pm

cnocbui wrote: »

This is a Tesla model S self driving it's owner into their grave, in China. Musk's claim of fully autonomous by the end of the year is scary. Without Lidar, it is probably not possible, let alone safe, but that's Ok, we'll let the public find out by being beta testers.

That was almost 3 years ago. The tech has moved a bit since then.

Still, Tesla has nothing on Boeing, when it comes to killing people with sheer engineering arrogance in automation.

I hear the horse and carriage is quite a safe way to transport oneself.

AlmightyCushion · 21-03-2019 12:22pm

cnocbui wrote: »

This is a Tesla model S self driving it's owner into their grave, in China. Musk's claim of fully autonomous by the end of the year is scary. Without Lidar, it is probably not possible, let alone safe, but that's Ok, we'll let the public find out by being beta testers.

Still, Tesla has nothing on Boeing, when it comes to killing people with sheer engineering arrogance in automation.

Just going by the URL that's about 3 years old. I don't think there is any one on this thread claiming an at least 3 year old Model S is a fully autonomous, self driving car. Most of us think it's a technology that is not ready yet but will be in the near future.

cnocbui · 21-03-2019 1:21pm

markodaly wrote: »

That was almost 3 years ago. The tech has moved a bit since then.

There have been a couple of instances just last year of Teslas running straight into stationary vehicles, so things haven't improved.

October 30, 2018 Earlier this month, Shawn Hudson’s Tesla Model S crashed into a stalled car while moving at about 80 miles per hour on a Florida freeway. Tesla’s Autopilot technology was engaged at the time, and now he has filed a lawsuit against Tesla in state courts.

https://techheading.com/man-sues-tesla-says-autopilot-steered-him-into-a-stalled-car-at-80-mph/

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Just going by the URL that's about 3 years old. I don't think there is any one on this thread claiming an at least 3 year old Model S is a fully autonomous, self driving car. Most of us think it's a technology that is not ready yet but will be in the near future.

Moved on since then? So when did Tesla start fitting LIDAR? AFAIK, Musk's big selling point was that all Teslas with the self driving option are fully capable of level 5 autonomous driving with software updates. He believes you don't need LIDAR and can accomplish the same thing just by advanced processing of images from cameras. All it takes is for a software update containing the required magic from Tesla and you're good to go. The lead engineer who developed Teslas self driving system left the company and founded a startup to develop autonomous driving systems, only he is doing so using LIDAR.

TheQuietFella · 21-03-2019 5:21pm

It's just not going to happen...….ever! Amen!!!

markodaly · 21-03-2019 10:40pm

TheQuietFella wrote: »

It's just not going to happen...….ever! Amen!!!

What is 'it' specifically?

Apt you use Amen, as your proposition is entirely faith-based.

markodaly · 21-03-2019 10:47pm

cnocbui wrote: »

There have been a couple of instances just last year of Teslas running straight into stationary vehicles, so things haven't improved.

This has been mentioned before but Tesla's are not self-driving. They are SAE level 2 and are not a leader in that field. A leader in electric cars sure, but not autonomous driving. According to Navigant Research, they are not even in the top 10 of those developing this tech.

https://insideevs.com/tesla-autonomous-lags-gm-ford-waymo/

You need to keep an eye on Waymo, who just announced a major expansion.

https://techcrunch.com/2019/03/19/waymo-is-gearing-up-to-put-a-lot-more-self-driving-cars-on-the-road/

Twenty Grand · 22-03-2019 12:30am

markodaly wrote: »

This has been mentioned before but Tesla's are not self-driving. They are SAE level 2 and are not a leader in that field. A leader in electric cars sure, but not autonomous driving. According to Navigant Research, they are not even in the top 10 of those developing this tech.

https://insideevs.com/tesla-autonomous-lags-gm-ford-waymo/

You need to keep an eye on Waymo, who just announced a major expansion.

https://techcrunch.com/2019/03/19/waymo-is-gearing-up-to-put-a-lot-more-self-driving-cars-on-the-road/

Tesla is a car manufacturer.

It's goal is to manufacture electric cars and deliver them to customers.
Autonomous, driverless etc is nowhere near their top priorities and often comes after gimmicky software updates.

I'd be looking at the major players in the field, Waymo, Mercedes, Renault and Ford.

kirving · 22-03-2019 12:44am

Twenty Grand wrote: »

Autonomous, driverless etc is nowhere near their top priorities and often comes after gimmicky software updates.

I'd be looking at the major players in the field, Waymo, Mercedes, Renault and Ford.

Gotta disagree with the first point there. They're the only company brazen enough to market the system as "Autopilot", and use it as a huge selling point.

Almost everything I hear about Tesla in their marketing, general media, or pub chats, is about either Ludacris Mode, Range, or "Self Driving".

It's absolutely something they care about and constantly push in the media.

In reality, they're way behind the other key players your mentioned.

Twenty Grand · 22-03-2019 1:09am

Kevin Irving wrote: »

Gotta disagree with the first point there. They're the only company brazen enough to market the system as "Autopilot", and use it as a huge selling point.

Almost everything I hear about Tesla in their marketing, general media, or pub chats, is about either Ludacris Mode, Range, or "Self Driving".

It's absolutely something they care about and constantly push in the media.

In reality, they're way behind the other key players your mentioned.

Yes, but Autopilot is not self-driving. Autopilot is still in Beta AFAIK and it requires you to pay attention and hands on the wheel (even if people dont).

It's not autonomous, even though people mistakenly use the words interchangeably.

TheQuietFella · 22-03-2019 11:20pm

markodaly wrote: »

What is 'it' specifically?

Apt you use Amen, as your proposition is entirely faith-based.

Jesus came down personally to tell me so there!

The blind leading the blind he said and I replied, oh you of little faith!

He wasn't well impressed but he appreciated the humour!

magicbastarder · 23-03-2019 2:25pm

a weird decision. i would have assumed the supervising driver was still legally responsible for the vehicle?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/05/technology/uber-self-driving-car-arizona.html

defrule · 24-03-2019 1:31am

Where I see this stuff useful is for overnight travel. Say you lived in Belfast but had to be in Cork the next day for business. Currently you would need to travel the day before and stay at a hotel, or you could travel very early in the morning.

Imagine if you could have a self-driving car/pod that had a bed inside it. You would do everything as normal the previous day, then call for the car at 11PM, jump in and sleep. The car can be set to drive slower, 30mph for comfort, it would mean the journey takes longer but you're sleeping anyway so that doesn't matter. At 30mph you'll reach Cork say in 9 hours so 8AM, just in time to start the morning.

Slow travel speed overnight would reduce risk of collisions. And there will be far far less human drivers than in the day.

Stephen15 · 24-03-2019 1:47am

defrule wrote: »

Where I see this stuff useful is for overnight travel. Say you lived in Belfast but had to be in Cork the next day for business. Currently you would need to travel the day before and stay at a hotel, or you could travel very early in the morning.

Imagine if you could have a self-driving car/pod that had a bed inside it. You would do everything as normal the previous day, then call for the car at 11PM, jump in and sleep. The car can be set to drive slower, 30mph for comfort, it would mean the journey takes longer but you're sleeping anyway so that doesn't matter. At 30mph you'll reach Cork say in 9 hours so 8AM, just in time to start the morning.

Slow travel speed overnight would reduce risk of collisions. And there will be far far less human drivers than in the day.

That gave me good laugh for the night

prinzeugen · 24-03-2019 4:20am

Stephen15 wrote: »

That gave me good laugh for the night

There was talk of sleeper trains or a sleeper here. Wont work moneywise. Self driving sleeping pods.. Nope.

Pkiernan · 24-03-2019 12:52pm

defrule wrote: »

Where I see this stuff useful is for overnight travel. Say you lived in Belfast but had to be in Cork the next day for business. Currently you would need to travel the day before and stay at a hotel, or you could travel very early in the morning.

Imagine if you could have a self-driving car/pod that had a bed inside it. You would do everything as normal the previous day, then call for the car at 11PM, jump in and sleep. The car can be set to drive slower, 30mph for comfort, it would mean the journey takes longer but you're sleeping anyway so that doesn't matter. At 30mph you'll reach Cork say in 9 hours so 8AM, just in time to start the morning.

Slow travel speed overnight would reduce risk of collisions. And there will be far far less human drivers than in the day.

It'd burned out travelling through the Shankhill at 30 mph at 1am!

cnocbui · 24-03-2019 1:49pm

markodaly wrote: »

This has been mentioned before but Tesla's are not self-driving. They are SAE level 2 and are not a leader in that field. A leader in electric cars sure, but not autonomous driving. According to Navigant Research, they are not even in the top 10 of those developing this tech.

https://insideevs.com/tesla-autonomous-lags-gm-ford-waymo/

You need to keep an eye on Waymo, who just announced a major expansion.

https://techcrunch.com/2019/03/19/waymo-is-gearing-up-to-put-a-lot-more-self-driving-cars-on-the-road/

Elon Musk made the following claims:

Elon Musk claims that Tesla will have the technology for fully-autonomous vehicles ready by the end of the year. ..

“The car will be able to find you in a parking lot, pick you up and take you all the way to your destination without an intervention. I would say I am of certain of that. That is not a question mark,” Musk stated.

“My guess as to when we would think it is safe for somebody to essentially fall asleep and wake up at their destination? Probably towards the end of next year. That is when I think it would be safe enough for that,” the outspoken exec said.

https://www.carscoops.com/2019/02/elon-musk-certain-teslas-fully-autonomous-systems-will-ready-year/

I presume you don't believe him - neither do I, hence my comments.

defrule · 24-03-2019 2:23pm

prinzeugen wrote: »

There was talk of sleeper trains or a sleeper here. Wont work moneywise. Self driving sleeping pods.. Nope.

To be fair nothing works here.

Twenty Grand · 24-03-2019 4:58pm

cnocbui wrote: »

Elon Musk made the following claims:

https://www.carscoops.com/2019/02/elon-musk-certain-teslas-fully-autonomous-systems-will-ready-year/

I presume you don't believe him - neither do I, hence my comments.

I'm a big fan, but I take any predictions with a bucket of salt.

He's a bit like Fastways, usually delivers, never on time.

markodaly · 27-03-2019 10:44pm

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/all-new-cars-could-be-fitted-with-speed-limiters-under-eu-plans-1.3840046

Another step to self-driving cars...

RHJ · 28-03-2019 2:50am

Unfortunately, the article linked to above appears to be behind a paywall so here is another article about the technology from New Scientist.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2197941-driverless-car-learns-to-perform-high-speed-turns-without-crashing/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=SOC&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1bhh9JiSLs4pEGNwkRxGWCXZYugqbtAb9no7iWEDrJw49O2hBPOy2FGKU#Echobox=1553729956

Or if you'd prefer to just read the scientific paper about the technology then here is the link to that.

http://robotics.sciencemag.org/content/4/28/eaaw1975

14-04-2019 9:19am

How Amazon demand drices autonomous truck tech

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMXivgUGVn8

prinzeugen · 15-04-2019 3:37am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

How Amazon demand drices autonomous truck tech

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMXivgUGVn8

Its America. Train is the way for long distance. Rail freight in the US is increasing.

I bought an item from an Ebay seller in California. It was going to the AnPost address pal place in NJ.

He wanted to put a GPS tracker in the item. No problem I said. 3 days from CA to NJ on a train. No truck can do that.

15-04-2019 8:20am

prinzeugen wrote: »

3 days from CA to NJ on a train. No truck can do that.

Not yet..... Or didn't you watch the video? This was one of the main gains, that the limitations put on human drivers would not apply to AI driven trucks and could therefore be driven for much longer periods. This would then allow for the journey times to be slashed.

Twenty Grand · 15-04-2019 4:44pm

prinzeugen wrote: »

Its America. Train is the way for long distance. Rail freight in the US is increasing.

I bought an item from an Ebay seller in California. It was going to the AnPost address pal place in NJ.

He wanted to put a GPS tracker in the item. No problem I said. 3 days from CA to NJ on a train. No truck can do that.

Know what you mean about trains. Got stuck at a crossing for 15 minutes as the longest train I've ever seen went by.

But there's millions of trucks on the road in the US. Feels like half the traffic on the interstate is trucks.

magicbastarder · 18-04-2019 2:13pm

Ford CTO Ken Washington explains why self-driving cars are such a hard tech problem
And why Tesla’s so-called Autopilot features are not really “self-driving.”
https://www.recode.net/podcasts/2019/4/17/18411242/ken-washington-ford-self-driving-car-artificial-intelligence-kara-swisher-decode-podcast-interview

markodaly · 19-04-2019 12:06am

magicbastarder wrote: »

Ford CTO Ken Washington explains why self-driving cars are such a hard tech problem
And why Tesla’s so-called Autopilot features are not really “self-driving.”
https://www.recode.net/podcasts/2019/4/17/18411242/ken-washington-ford-self-driving-car-artificial-intelligence-kara-swisher-decode-podcast-interview

Yes, Tesla self-driving tech is not really self-driving. They are at best SAE level 2
In terms of self-driving tech, they do not feature in the top 10.

Keep an eye on what Waymo and GM are doing, it will be one of them that will pioneer the tech to make it safe and ubiquitous for 99% of use cases.

RHJ · 24-04-2019 1:53pm

Interesting news from Tesla they claim they will have full self driving operating by next year. I’m not sure whether they will be able to achieve that or not but I do hope they can.

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/290029-tesla-well-have-full-self-driving-by-2020-robo-taxis-too

Twenty Grand · 24-04-2019 2:02pm

RHJ wrote: »

Interesting news from Tesla they claim they will have full self driving operating by next year. I’m not sure whether they will be able to achieve that or not but I do hope they can.

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/290029-tesla-well-have-full-self-driving-by-2020-robo-taxis-too

The said 2016, 2018, 2019 now it's 2020.

I'll believe it when I see it. GM and Waymo don't thinks it's possible to do in a Tesla. They don't have the processing capability in the car.

cnocbui · 24-04-2019 2:51pm

RHJ wrote: »

Interesting news from Tesla they claim they will have full self driving operating by next year. I’m not sure whether they will be able to achieve that or not but I do hope they can.

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/290029-tesla-well-have-full-self-driving-by-2020-robo-taxis-too

Musk is a bulldust artist trying to shift product in the face of unexpectedly low demand.

Teslas don't even have LIDAR and are down near the bottom of the pack with Apple in terms of autonomous driving development. When Musk announced this nonsense, Teslas share price fell, because no one believes his guff.

Not even the best autonomous driving system (waymo) is up to the unoccupied no human occupant/observer robo taxi scenario.

cgcsb · 24-04-2019 3:00pm

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/vote-funicular-and-driverless-shuttle-for-the-phoenix-park-have-your-say-1.3869557

Was surprised to see this yesterday in the Times. The OPW claim that a driverless shuttle bus is a 'readily achievable reality'. I'm curious where the OPW are getting this from? I know there was a driverless bus trial in the docklands a while ago but afaik, it was a disaster, despite the road being blocked off from other users. Is this just a case of someone in the OPW not actually researching commercial realities?

AndrewJRenko · 28-04-2019 12:23pm

cgcsb wrote: »

I know there was a driverless bus trial in the docklands a while ago but afaik, it was a disaster, despite the road being blocked off from other users.

I was on it for a brief spin up the quays. It had to run off-road, along side the river as there is no legislation to allow a driverless vehicle on a public road. It ran along a marked track, and worked reasonable well for what it did. There was one slightly jerky stop while I was on it, to avoid some 'invisible' obstruction. But it's a long way from working on a public road - maybe the Phoenix Park bye-laws might be a more friendly environment?

Self driving buses, trains, trucks etc

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