Should Berlin in Dame St be closed down?

17-08-2020 1:43am

Suckit wrote: »

Being honest, the dancing on the bar like a twat and pouring tequila wouldn't bother me (have seen people being laughed down many times), but when everybody (almost worldwide) are restricted to social distancing, and whatever percentage of pubs in Ireland are forced to keep their businesses closed for an indefinite time or risk their licence, this really smacks of laughing in their faces.
There is no way in hell that they didn't know that they were risking their business being shutdown and possibly losing their licence. They obviously thought it might be worth it.

The bar itself are claiming it was one rogue member of staff going off script. Should be fired if true and I'm normally pro-employee but as you say, bars closed and staff in welfare waiting to open again.

jill_valentine · 17-08-2020 1:43am

I couldn't see my parents for four ****ing months because I'm an essential worker, and every second of that is cancelled out dozens of times over because of these absolute bellends.

Close it down with everybody who was in the video still inside, and pave the ****ing place over.

Suckit · 17-08-2020 2:01am

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

The bar itself are claiming it was one rogue member of staff going off script. Should be fired if true and I'm normally pro-employee but as you say, bars closed and staff in welfare waiting to open again.

I don't believe the rogue barman thing.

The owner has been known to bend/break the law for his own gain in the past. Also, I think he initially tried to fob it off until the short video surfaced, then said it was '20 seconds of madness'.. :rolleyes:

YellowBucket · 17-08-2020 2:07am

completedit wrote: »

**** sake

Well it isn’t. Irish licensing laws are very tight around control of mesures. You’re also not allowed to do happy hour drinks promos and a whole load of other things.

In the context of the coronavirus pandemic, what was going on was crazy, but even outside of that it would raise a few questions.

Seems very reasonable that they should just be shut down. If other bar/restaurants and other businesses are bending over backwards to apply social distancing, this kind of stuff is what will ends up causing the entire sector to be at risk of being closed again if operators aren’t going to manage risk.

My view is it is that if a venue is unable or unwilling to be sensible about this, don’t bother opening.

Hangdogroad · 17-08-2020 8:43am

TheValeyard wrote: »

Saw the clip. Was fairly stupid what the guy was doing.

Not sure it's fair on the owner to loose the licence because of some dumbass employee.

But it is a kick in the teeth for frontline workers and all those obeying the restrictions and following guidance.

Owner is Jay Bourke, with his history I'm surprised he was given the license in the first place.

DeanAustin · 17-08-2020 8:45am

Suckit wrote: »

I don't believe the rogue barman thing.

The owner has been known to bend/break the law for his own gain in the past. Also, I think he initially tried to fob it off until the short video surfaced, then said it was '20 seconds of madness'.. :rolleyes:

There was a fella on Virgin News last week lashing the government and he's been flouting the guidelines as well. The dogs in the street know it.

I was in another pub where they served a meal but left us as long as we liked.

There are tonnes of pubs/restaurants flouting the rules and everyone knows it. You give an inch and they take a mile by and large. The government know that too and can't police it. They know the guidelines out there will have an effect but will never be implemented to anything like the degree they should be.

This is why they can't open wet pubs. It'd turn into a free for all in many places.

un5byh7sqpd2x0 · 17-08-2020 8:46am

Bobblehats wrote: »

F*ck did I just read

Too many kids on this website.

Grotesque
Unbelievable
Bizarre
Unprecedented

17-08-2020 8:54am

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

The bar itself are claiming it was one rogue member of staff going off script. Should be fired if true and I'm normally pro-employee but as you say, bars closed and staff in welfare waiting to open again.

In one of the videos the barman gives a shot of the bottle to somebody behind him. I’m sure that’s behind the bar so had to be another member of staff he gave it to.

17-08-2020 8:55am

The globe is as bad. They lock the doors at 10. Then people can party in the nightclub bit downstairs, no masks, no social distancing.

Brendan Bendar · 17-08-2020 9:00am

Deleted User wrote: »

A large proportion of customers weren't wearing masks. No distancing, alcohol being poured straight into people's mouths. You'd be making leaps if you're claiming that they weren't violating the guidelines by a pretty large margin.

Is there any fool out there who believes the guy on MI this morning that this was only “20 seconds”.

To me he seemed to be treating the whole thing as a joke.

“The bar an was ....naughty”. FFS !!

Compliant and responsible publicans are rightly up in arms.

Needs to be taught a lesson.

Earthhorse · 17-08-2020 9:11am

dotsman wrote: »

In the absence of safe, well run pubs being allowed to open by the government, I wouldn't punish any pub for opening in whatever manner. What we see in this clip, and all the house-parties and field sessions are exactly what an intelligent person would expect to happen in this era of prohibition.

Throughout the summer, when a young/fun person has gone out to socialise and have even a bit of fun, they are hoping to find a venue that will break the rules. Why? Because the rules are stupid and unworkable (€9 food and 105 minutes are exactly the kind of rules that a bureaucrat that has never had fun would dream up of). Instead, all pubs should be open, with the government working with them to ensure low-risk environments (seating-only, decent distance between each table, tables/chairs out on the streets, strict table-service, strict hygiene of bar staff etc). Allow people to have fun in a safe way, and they won't need to pursue risky activities that we see in the clip.

P.S. threads like this highlight how many old/dull people there are on boards

People who enjoy breaking the rules enjoy breaking the rules; doesn't matter how reasonable they are, the thrill they get is from breaking them. If people like this weren't around and didn't have apologists like yourself trying to make their behaviour out to be okay we would be able to open more broadly and simply eject people like this from our establishments. Take one of the rules you've listed up there; "seating only". That's a reasonable rule, right? You've listed it as such. Yet it's clearly being broken in the video. Clearly, to them, having fun isn't sitting at a table with your mates all night so they would break the rules in your scenario too.

If the rules weren't as strict as they are we'd be seeing a lot worse and a lot more of this kind of behaviour.

Brock Turnpike · 17-08-2020 9:36am

Hangdogroad wrote: »

Owner is Jay Bourke, with his history I'm surprised he was given the license in the first place.

What history? Genuinely interested as I've never heard of him.

Brock Turnpike · 17-08-2020 9:39am

DeanAustin wrote: »

There was a fella on Virgin News last week lashing the government and he's been flouting the guidelines as well. The dogs in the street know it.

I was in another pub where they served a meal but left us as long as we liked.

There are tonnes of pubs/restaurants flouting the rules and everyone knows it. You give an inch and they take a mile by and large. The government know that too and can't police it. They know the guidelines out there will have an effect but will never be implemented to anything like the degree they should be.

This is why they can't open wet pubs. It'd turn into a free for all in many places.

This post tells it like it is. Yet you continually see people posting here on boards with the "I don't know what type of pubs you're drinking in" rhetoric when people call out that wet pubs will be chaos when they open.

pauliebdub · 17-08-2020 10:10am

No it shouldn't, are we going to get hysterical reactions every time young people are filmed having fun. What a bunch of miserable whingers - I'm not the other one tired of the climate of fear and hysteria that's been created about covid 19. We need to live with the virus and try and get on with our lives.

NIMAN · 17-08-2020 10:11am

Definitely needs to be punished somehow.

Why should the rest of us follow rules and let arseholes do what they want?

L1011 · 17-08-2020 10:17am

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

What history? Genuinely interested as I've never heard of him.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/agribusiness-and-food/jay-bourke-has-disqualification-extended-to-7-years-1.3157901

Owned CafeBarDeli and other pubs including, aptly for this, GUBU.

lertsnim · 17-08-2020 10:26am

TheValeyard wrote: »

Not sure it's fair on the owner to loose the licence because of some dumbass employee.

I'd say its fair after hearing him on the radio this morning.

17-08-2020 10:27am

What did he say?

givyjoe · 17-08-2020 10:30am

pauliebdub wrote: »

No it shouldn't, are we going to get hysterical reactions every time young people are filmed having fun. What a bunch of miserable whingers - I'm not the other one tired of the climate of fear and hysteria that's been created about covid 19. We need to live with the virus and try and get on with our lives.

You mean pretend as though it doesn't exist? What could go wrong...:rolleyes:

The Nal · 17-08-2020 10:46am

The real crime I thought was the music

Darc19 · 17-08-2020 10:51am

I can't see the issue here.

There were 7 people at the bar area. They were not crowded together.

A little "dad dancing", zero contact between people. Some had face coverings.

But the covid police just hate anyone having fun and not doing things according to what they think.

Fair play to Jay bourke for effectively telling the naysayers to take a jump.

BTW, I seen more people closer together in my local aldi and lidl stores

Brock Turnpike · 17-08-2020 10:52am

Darc19 wrote: »

I can't see the issue here.

There were 7 people at the bar area. They were not crowded together.

A little "dad dancing", zero contact between people. Some had face coverings.

But the covid police just hate anyone having fun and not doing things according to what they think.

Fair play to Jay bourke for effectively telling the naysayers to take a jump.

BTW, I seen more people closer together in my local aldi and lidl stores

That's a terrible attempt at a wind up. Have a word with yourself.

Charles Babbage · 17-08-2020 10:55am

Darc19 wrote: »

But the covid police just hate anyone having fun and not doing things according to what they think.

No, they hate people breaking the law to do things which spread a disease.

un5byh7sqpd2x0 · 17-08-2020 10:57am

Darc19 wrote: »

I can't see the issue here.

There were 7 people at the bar area. They were not crowded together.

A little "dad dancing", zero contact between people. Some had face coverings.

But the covid police just hate anyone having fun and not doing things according to what they think.

Fair play to Jay bourke for effectively telling the naysayers to take a jump.

BTW, I seen more people closer together in my local aldi and lidl stores

Ok Jay.

Richard Hillman · 17-08-2020 11:20am

People are essentially complaining that people went to the bar instead of remaining in their seats for their shots.

Honestly, WTF is wrong with you people. This thing has driven people mental.

suicide_circus · 17-08-2020 11:32am

Hysterical overeaction. But that goes for the entire response to covid imo.

jonnny68 · 17-08-2020 11:36am

for just being a hipster haven yes :pac::D

SEPT 23 1989 · 17-08-2020 11:38am

what they were doing was stupid and uploading the evidence for the world to see is the icing on the cake but the language used from the to describe the scenes is like something you would hear roaring down from a pulpit in the 1930's

statesaver · 17-08-2020 11:39am

Should of said it was a BLM fundraiser / protest. Not a word would be reported.

CrankyHaus · 17-08-2020 11:50am

Worth noting that scenes like this, and far worse, are a staple of private parties happening the length and breadth of the country nearly every night of the week.
Berlin should certainly get closed for allowing this on the premises, but ignoring worse elsewhere is silly.

IRE60 · 17-08-2020 12:06pm

I’m not going to be an apologist for Jay – but – he’s the venue owner. The organiser of this event is a self-titled ‘influencer’ and there are similar events scheduled for this weekend.

Dick Turnip · 17-08-2020 12:10pm

Richard Hillman wrote: »

People are essentially complaining that people went to the bar instead of remaining in their seats for their shots.

Honestly, WTF is wrong with you people. This thing has driven people mental.

It's not so much what exactly was going on in the video, its more so that this was happening whilst most pubs in the country are still shut and not allowed open. It's a real fcuk you, I'm alright Jack attitude.

Having being in the bar a few times over the years, and experienced the bellendry of the bar staff first hand, I'm not surprised by the clowns in the videos. I also wouldn't be too sympathetic for them for whatever punishment they may receive.

bucketybuck · 17-08-2020 12:16pm

NIMAN wrote: »

Definitely needs to be punished somehow.

Why should the rest of us follow rules and let arseholes do what they want?

There are a lot of people more concerned that others follow "the rules" than they are about what and why the rules actually are.

circadian · 17-08-2020 12:17pm

statesaver wrote: »

Should of said it was a BLM fundraiser / protest. Not a word would be reported.

And the culture war rages on. Keyboard warriors typing non sensical ad-hominems about perceived bias in the culture war that seems to actually be fought by one demographic and no-one else is bothered by.

Weird times we live in.

Richard Hillman · 17-08-2020 12:23pm

Dick Turnip wrote: »

It's not so much what exactly was going on in the video, its more so that this was happening whilst most pubs in the country are still shut and not allowed open. It's a real fcuk you, I'm alright Jack attitude.

Having being in the bar a few times over the years, and experienced the bellendry of the bar staff first hand, I'm not surprised by the clowns in the videos. I also wouldn't be too sympathetic for them for whatever punishment they may receive.

It doesn't look like the type of place I would like to visit, it looks quite tacky. But all I can see is that people went to the bar for a shot as opposed to the drink bring brought to them. That was the only broken guideline and if people are going to get Helen Lovejoy on small guideline infringements, then god help us.

People seemed to be quite spread apart too. They went to the bar, had their shot and went back to their seats. No different to a coffee shop. Go up and get your coffee and sit Down.

The problem essentially here is that people are having fun. And folk are not taking too kindly to seeing other people having fun right now.

We are starting to see the mental impact of this virus. People are losing their **** over 1 small guideline infraction. And remember, they are guidelines, not laws.

Dick Turnip · 17-08-2020 1:38pm

Richard Hillman wrote: »

It doesn't look like the type of place I would like to visit, it looks quite tacky. But all I can see is that people went to the bar for a shot as opposed to the drink bring brought to them. That was the only broken guideline and if people are going to get Helen Lovejoy on small guideline infringements, then god help us.

People seemed to be quite spread apart too. They went to the bar, had their shot and went back to their seats. No different to a coffee shop. Go up and get your coffee and sit Down.

The problem essentially here is that people are having fun. And folk are not taking too kindly to seeing other people having fun right now.

We are starting to see the mental impact of this virus. People are losing their **** over 1 small guideline infraction. And remember, they are guidelines, not laws.

Yeah, I get what you're saying and there's definite truth to the mental impact side of things and some people being completely irrational about some infractions whilst ignoring others they may deem "ok" or ignore seeming contradictions between guidelines etc.

Maybe I'm just getting cranky as I fully embed myself in my mid 30s, maybe my judgement is clouded as I've previously marked some of the bar staff there highly in the "dikchead" category but still you have to appreciate how bloody galling that must be to publicans and restaurateurs around the country not currently able to open their premises?

Trigger Happy · 17-08-2020 1:42pm

What's the story with the Poll - secret results?!

B.A._Baracus · 17-08-2020 1:51pm

Why is the poll hidden?

California Dreamer · 17-08-2020 1:54pm

its_steve116 wrote: »

Because of it breaching social distancing and all that?

Why are the results hidden?

17-08-2020 2:03pm

An Ri rua wrote: »

Who the f*CK has brunch in the afternoon??

The same people who think a "staycation" is holidaying in your own country.

17-08-2020 2:05pm

Richard Hillman wrote: »

It doesn't look like the type of place I would like to visit, it looks quite tacky. But all I can see is that people went to the bar for a shot as opposed to the drink bring brought to them. That was the only broken guideline and if people are going to get Helen Lovejoy on small guideline infringements, then god help us.

You don't see anything wrong with pouring drink from a bottle into multiple people's mouths?

Really?

Maybe you think wiping your a*se with your hand is OK too but most of us don't.

I'd have an issue with that pre COVID. You could catch anything off that.

shaveAbullock · 17-08-2020 2:19pm

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Why is the poll hidden?

So it does not influence the way people vote.
You can see the results on Sunday, how exciting!

Trigger Happy · 17-08-2020 2:19pm

shaveAbullock wrote: »

So it does not influence the way people vote.
You can see the results on Sunday, how exciting!

We will all have moved on to the next disgrace by then!

dotsman · 17-08-2020 3:08pm

Earthhorse wrote: »

People who enjoy breaking the rules enjoy breaking the rules; doesn't matter how reasonable they are, the thrill they get is from breaking them. If people like this weren't around and didn't have apologists like yourself trying to make their behaviour out to be okay we would be able to open more broadly and simply eject people like this from our establishments.

According to the government, we are not going to have pubs full stop. It has nothing to do with what happened in Berlin. Under the current government thinking (or lack thereof) it could be years before they are willing to let pubs re-open.

Earthhorse wrote: »

Take one of the rules you've listed up there; "seating only". That's a reasonable rule, right? You've listed it as such. Yet it's clearly being broken in the video.

According to the witnesses, the rule was been followed for the most part until the incident in the video.

Earthhorse wrote: »

Clearly, to them, having fun isn't sitting at a table with your mates all night so they would break the rules in your scenario too.

...and would receive a warning, and subsequent removal from the premises if they repeat it. Having intelligent, practical rules that are well understood and everyone agrees will result in far higher compliance and far better enforcement.

Earthhorse wrote: »

If the rules weren't as strict as they are we'd be seeing a lot worse and a lot more of this kind of behaviour.

It's not about the rules being strict. It's about them being stupid and counter-productive, thus resulting in a less safe environment. If the rules were more intelligent, we would be seeing a lot less of this kind of behaviour.

I really don't think you understand what I am saying. By having stupid rules, you are inviting people to break them. Any intelligent person could look at the current rules and predict that "of course people are going to break them".

Put it another way. If the government had come out with rules that "you have to wear a yellow t-shirt" and "have your left hand at the back of your head at all times" while in a shop, do you think people would generally accept it? Or do you think people would say "Fcuk this - these are really stupid rules that in no way make the shopping experience safer". Do you think implementing such stupid rules would result in a higher or lower level of compliance with the sensible rules associated with shopping (washing of hands, wearing masks etc). Do you think staff are more or less likely to "enforce the rules" when the rules contains such nonsensical BS?

It's got nothing to do with Covid-19, it's human nature. Once people starting breaking some rules, then there is no clear line and, thus, other rules get ignored as well. And as long as there are stupid, impractical rules, people will consistently break some rules.

Strumms · 17-08-2020 3:28pm

I think what the pub situation needs is that a couple of pubs are raided, shut down, licenses taken / struck out, whatever the terminology is... if the law isn’t there that can enable that happening we need emergency legislation to make it happen ASAP...

Plastered all over the news so a message is sent out to the rest of them....

“There, those people... no longer have a business, they open the shutters, serve a pint, they are going to be fûcked in jail, for serving alcohol without a license “

Comply or be deleted.

I don’t think Martin has the stones for that and Leo certainly won’t have the desire or want to inconvenience money people.

Darc19 · 17-08-2020 3:40pm

Charles Babbage wrote: »

No, they hate people breaking the law to do things which spread a disease.

Can you or some other covid warrior please tell me the law that was broken.

And will the naysayers actually look at the video rather than follow the sheep.

silver2020 · 17-08-2020 3:48pm

Deleted User wrote: »

You don't see anything wrong with pouring drink from a bottle into multiple people's mouths?

Really?

Maybe you think wiping your a*se with your hand is OK too but most of us don't.

I'd have an issue with that pre COVID. You could catch anything off that.

Poured at a distance into someone's mouth. If that's an issue, you'd have to have an issue being in the same room as someone - you're breathing in their air. Hope you never go to a bar in a Spanish or greek holiday resort.

I think too many people are overthinking. Barman was not acting perfectly, but I don't see why the outrage as it doesn't seem to an overcrowded situation like many house parties.
Media silly season is in full swing

breezy1985 · 17-08-2020 3:58pm

Darc19 wrote: »

Can you or some other covid warrior please tell me the law that was broken.

And will the naysayers actually look at the video rather than follow the sheep.

The Intoxicating Liqueur Acts

Richard Hillman · 17-08-2020 4:11pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You don't see anything wrong with pouring drink from a bottle into multiple people's mouths?

Really?

Maybe you think wiping your a*se with your hand is OK too but most of us don't.

I'd have an issue with that pre COVID. You could catch anything off that.

No. Poured from a distance.

And sure if the spirit is strong enough, won't the alcohol sterilise everything

dalyboy · 17-08-2020 4:15pm

silver2020 wrote: »

Poured at a distance into someone's mouth. If that's an issue, you'd have to have an issue being in the same room as someone - you're breathing in their air. Hope you never go to a bar in a Spanish or greek holiday resort.

I think too many people are overthinking. Barman was not acting perfectly, but I don't see why the outrage as it doesn't seem to an overcrowded situation like many house parties.
Media silly season is in full swing

Yeah he was pouring the drink at a distance. There didn’t seem to be any sharing of bottle or glasses etc.

So if pouring drink from a distance is a concern now what happens when it’s raining outside? Does that spread infection too ? The entire world is gone batsh1t insane

Should Berlin in Dame St be closed down?

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