throwing cigarette butts out the car window

Hammer89 · 23-01-2020 6:04pm

Stateofyou wrote: »

#Fires caused by cigarette butts claim the lives of about 1,000 people and injure about 3,000 people each year.

Not littered cigarette butts, which is what we're talking about.

seagull · 23-01-2020 6:35pm

Hammer89 wrote: »

I don't need to make myself feel better because I don't believe there's anything inherently wrong with flicking a cigarette away.

So where do you draw the line? Or is it also fine to dump your old fridge and 3 piece suite down a country lane? Can we all just use your garden as a municipal dump?

seagull · 23-01-2020 6:37pm

Hammer89 wrote: »

Not littered cigarette butts, which is what we're talking about.

This started with someone throwing a cigarette butt out a car window. Someone chucking a cigarette butt out their car window probably isn't going to bother making sure it's properly extinguished. Try throwing a butt out the car in Australia, and see what the penalties are like if you're caught.

Stateofyou · 23-01-2020 6:52pm

Hammer89 wrote: »

Not littered cigarette butts, which is what we're talking about.

Hopefully that's not a lame attempt to just turn a blind eye to the negative impact on the whole.

Hammer89 · 23-01-2020 7:09pm

seagull wrote: »

So where do you draw the line? Or is it also fine to dump your old fridge and 3 piece suite down a country lane? Can we all just use your garden as a municipal dump?

As I said, I draw the line at rubbish - actual rubbish. There's no reason why you can't keep an empty bottle of Lilt or a Twix wrapper in your pocket until you happen upon a bin. You can't with cigarette butts because the butt itself makes you and your clothes smell far worse than the smoke, so it gets flicked away or dropped and stood on. And that's the end of it. It ends up being sucked up into one of those ground-cleaning machines, or the wind blows it away, or the rain strips the paper and loose tobacco from it and suddenly it's just a half-an-inch long bit of fibre that nobody notices on their way to or from work.

Also, I know this is Boards, but let's not compare the flicking of a cigarette butt to the dumping of a fridge.

cajonlardo · 23-01-2020 8:36pm

People who cycle in traffic know why it a scumbag thing to flick away a cigarette.

Have a look at this

https://weartv.com/news/local/pensacola-motorcyclist-sustains-third-degree-burns-after-driver-flicks-cigarette-butt

Years ago a lit cigarette went down my t shirt. Luckily the t shirt was loose so I had 3 small burns. If I had caught the arrsewipe he'd have been left in no doubt whatsoever why its a bad idea.

Potential-Monke · 24-01-2020 3:19am

_Brian wrote: »

People who smoke are just sticking their fingers up at the whole of society anyway with their disgusting habits.

Bunch of stale smelly people stuck in the 1940’s.

lawred2 wrote: »

...smoking and smokers are rather disgusting

Lewis_Benson wrote: »

Anyone who smokes in public or in their car should be shot with balls of their own shyte.

Wow. People seem to think that an addiction warrants abuse. Do ye say the same to everyone with an addiction of any type? I smoke. I don't want to. I've given them up about 20 times at this stage, with varying degrees of success, from a week to a year. But I always end up back on them. Not because I want to, but because I'm addicted. I live with my parents, of which my father has emphysema (mainly due to working on the building sites, but also aggravated by smoking). It took him until he had a stroke to finally be able to kick the habit. A habit his doctor told him to take up for health benefits. You'd think that would be enough to get me to stop, but no. I'm an addict, but it's apparently ok to give abuse to cigarette addicts.

adrian92 · 24-01-2020 5:18am

Sky King wrote: »

The filter is plastickey stuff which doesnt degrade

Yes, the filter is the environmental problem.

The problem could be solved easily if a ministerial order was made to the effect that cigarettes should have either no filter or a biodegradable filter

Stateofyou · 24-01-2020 8:35am

Hammer89 wrote: »

As I said, I draw the line at rubbish - actual rubbish. There's no reason why you can't keep an empty bottle of Lilt or a Twix wrapper in your pocket until you happen upon a bin. You can't with cigarette butts because the butt itself makes you and your clothes smell far worse than the smoke, so it gets flicked away or dropped and stood on. And that's the end of it. It ends up being sucked up into one of those ground-cleaning machines, or the wind blows it away, or the rain strips the paper and loose tobacco from it and suddenly it's just a half-an-inch long bit of fibre that nobody notices on their way to or from work.

Also, I know this is Boards, but let's not compare the flicking of a cigarette butt to the dumping of a fridge.

It's hard to imagine anyone being much more willfully ignorant than that. Flicking away a cigarette butt isn't the end of it. "Suddenly" it's just a half inch long? WTAF. There is no decomposition processes that happens "suddenly."

Here's what ACTUALLY happens.

If you throw your cigarette butts on the ground, they eventually find their way to the ocean and other water sheds and YOU are contributing to the most commonly found man-made waste that originates from land.

Wind and rain often carry cigarette butts into waterways, where the toxic chemicals in the cigarette filters leak out, threatening the quality of the water and the creatures that live in it.

It can take total up to 25 years to break down.

Who picks up litter? A street sweeper isn't doing most of it.
Employees of parks, schools, hotels, restaurants, and local governments have to pick up litter, as well as volunteers who care about the environment.

circadian · 24-01-2020 8:57am

Hammer89 wrote: »

As I said, I draw the line at rubbish - actual rubbish. There's no reason why you can't keep an empty bottle of Lilt or a Twix wrapper in your pocket until you happen upon a bin. You can't with cigarette butts because the butt itself makes you and your clothes smell far worse than the smoke, so it gets flicked away or dropped and stood on. And that's the end of it. It ends up being sucked up into one of those ground-cleaning machines, or the wind blows it away, or the rain strips the paper and loose tobacco from it and suddenly it's just a half-an-inch long bit of fibre that nobody notices on their way to or from work.

Also, I know this is Boards, but let's not compare the flicking of a cigarette butt to the dumping of a fridge.

Cigarette butts don't just dissappear or degrade. They end up in waterways and are one of the most commonly found pieces of litter found in the ocean. You're aware that they, along with other materials like microplastics enter the food chain, right?

Irish_peppa · 24-01-2020 9:07am

Funnily enough Guys yesterday at a petrol Station (not beside the Pumps)
A man rolled down his window and threw his butt out of the window and rolled it up again. I was sitting in the car beside him. I immediately thought of this thread. If our windows were down I think I would have commented. Or if he had left his window down. But he rolled it back up.

If I was to witness this again Should I have

A) Got out and knocked on his window and mentioned politely about his littering?

Keep Quiet its none of my business say nothing.

C) Give him a condescending look while shaking my head left and right.

Have any of you approached a cig butt litter lout if so, what happened?

Stateofyou · 24-01-2020 9:37am

Irish_peppa wrote: »

Funnily enough Guys yesterday at a petrol Station (not beside the Pumps)
A man rolled down his window and threw his butt out of the window and rolled it up again. I was sitting in the car beside him. I immediately thought of this thread. If our windows were down I think I would have commented. Or if he had left his window down. But he rolled it back up.

If I was to witness this again Should I have

A) Got out and knocked on his window and mentioned politely about his littering?

Keep Quiet its none of my business say nothing.

C) Give him a condescending look while shaking my head left and right.

Have any of you approached a cig butt litter lout if so, what happened?

C) Dirty look. Person parked up next to me opened window and threw it on the ground still lit. Rolled down my window and told her she dropped something. She could hear me through the glass. Said "there's the bin" and pointed to it about 5 steps away. She looked at me and said nothing. Shook my head in disgust. Passenger in the car had just gotten back in and was laughing.

Years ago I used to live in an apartment building and next to a lady who chain smoked. Had to keep my windows closed all the time which really p'd me off. She would sit on her patio to smoke and then flick her cigarettes into the grass over her rail. There would have been hundreds of them on the ground at one point. All of us who lived there would have to walk by on the path to get into our entrance to our flats, so we had to walk by this stinking, and ugly section of garden before entering our own homes. One day she flicked it out in front of me and I told her it's actually disgusting and harmful to the environment. She blew her last mouthful of smoke at me and shook her head and went back in. I go into my flat, get a glove, and spend my time picking them all up. She's watching me through the curtain. Then I dump them over the side of the rail onto her patio right in front of her eyes. Left the little bucket with her. She started using it after that. Other owners there told me she had been doing that years, and as we all paid maintenance fees, garden workers had been picking them up every time they came out so the grass could be cut. So we all basically paid to pick up her litter. A complaint to the management company was never responded to.

No right answer, any and all options (except

are fine.

B.A._Baracus · 24-01-2020 11:25am

Eire Go Brach wrote: »

Big Man You

Thank you.
All this not being petty really gives me a lot of free time to go to the gym :pac:

Idbatterim · 24-01-2020 11:33am

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

We cleaned our road there before Christmas.9 black bags of rubbish we took off it.a rural road.mostly coffee cups and bottles and cans.also cigarette boxes.
3 weeks later the same road is in pure sh1te again.
Dirty dirty fcukin scum that are driving the roads.

Yeah. They need to start putting a refundable deposit on cans and bottles. 20c minimum , people would be less likely to litter then and if they did , people would clean it up to get the deposit back

Hammer89 · 24-01-2020 4:47pm

Stateofyou wrote: »

C) Dirty look. Person parked up next to me opened window and threw it on the ground still lit. Rolled down my window and told her she dropped something. She could hear me through the glass. Said "there's the bin" and pointed to it about 5 steps away. She looked at me and said nothing. Shook my head in disgust. Passenger in the car had just gotten back in and was laughing.

So you were very rude to a complete stranger and she's the villain for dropping a cigarette butt? "You dropped something". What a stupid and patronising comment.

See, this is what leads me to think you don't actually care about people dropping cigarette butts, because if you cared in real life as much as you suggest you do on the internet then you'd have broached the subject in a far better way. If you cared enough about wanting her to change her mentality on flicking away cigarette butts then why would you be rude and patronising? Is that a conducive means of success? Obviously not, it's futile. So either this ancedote never actually happened or you couldn't care less.

Stateofyou · 24-01-2020 5:18pm

Hammer89 wrote: »

So you were very rude to a complete stranger and she's the villain for dropping a cigarette butt? "You dropped something". What a stupid and patronising comment.

See, this is what leads me to think you don't actually care about people dropping cigarette butts, because if you cared in real life as much as you suggest you do on the internet then you'd have broached the subject in a far better way. If you cared enough about wanting her to change her mentality on flicking away cigarette butts then why would you be rude and patronising? Is that a conducive means of success? Obviously not, it's futile. So either this ancedote never actually happened or you couldn't care less.

Why so mad? It's because you do the same ignorant shi*te and you wouldn't like being pulled up for it. Like you are by everyone else on this post.

There's no need to have a full blown conversation about littering. Every adult knows better and she knew full well. What makes you think a constructive conversation presenting the facts would have been taken on board and a good use of my time? I did that here, yet look at you - you've ignored that and continued on in your ignorance saying "It ends up being sucked up into one of those ground-cleaning machines, or the wind blows it away, or the rain strips the paper and loose tobacco from it and suddenly it's just a half-an-inch long bit of fibre that nobody notices on their way to or from work."
Despite facts to the contrary. What's futile is engaging with willfully ignorant people. You know better (as did she), but you choose not to do better. Height of ignorance.

Hammer89 · 24-01-2020 5:28pm

I'm not mad. I just pointed that you're your own worst enemy in this crusade. Next time you see somebody drop a cigarette butt on the ground, YOU should pick it up in front of them and bring it to a bin. Do it right in front of them. I promise you that's much more powerful and it'll make them think about it more than you going, 'Sorry miss, you dropped something' and then pointing to a bin as if they're eight years of age. Why you thought this was going to achieve anything I've no idea.

Stateofyou · 24-01-2020 5:31pm

Hammer89 wrote: »

I'm not mad. I just pointed that you're your own worst enemy in this crusade. Next time you see somebody drop a cigarette butt on the ground, YOU should pick it up in front of them and bring it to a bin. Do it right in front of them. I promise you that's much more powerful and it'll make them think about it more than you going, 'Sorry miss, you dropped something' and then pointing to a bin as if they're eight years of age. Why you thought this was going to achieve anything I've no idea.

Instead of criticizing those of us doing something about it, and telling us to pick up toxic trash that's after being in your mouths (!!!) take a long look in the mirror and stop doing it yourself.

I shouldn't need to be "powerful." Inform yourself with the facts, grow up, and dispose of your own rubbish. Even small children learn and know not to litter.

Hammer89 · 25-01-2020 12:13am

Oh god you're not doing anything about it lol.

Being very rude to a stranger and treating her like a child isn't going to make her not flick cigarettes away in the future. Take it from me, you were the asshole in that situation, not her. And I'm sorry to tell you that you didn't make a blind bit of difference in that situation, nor have you made any difference in this situation. You don't care about the environment. Give me your shopping list and your make of car and I guarantee I'll find a way in which to argue you're harming the environment, just in a different way. Because guess what, we all are! Every single one of us is guilty one way or the other because it turns out quite a lot of things are harmful to the planet.

I'd bet a million euro you eat fish and here you are berating smokers for murdering sea creatures with their cigarette butts. I'm certain this is a multi-layered hypocrisy on your part.

Irish_peppa · 25-01-2020 8:22am

Hammer89 wrote: »

I'm not mad. I just pointed that you're your own worst enemy in this crusade. Next time you see somebody drop a cigarette butt on the ground, YOU should pick it up in front of them and bring it to a bin. Do it right in front of them. I promise you that's much more powerful and it'll make them think about it more than you going, 'Sorry miss, you dropped something' and then pointing to a bin as if they're eight years of age. Why you thought this was going to achieve anything I've no idea.

Hi Hammer I actually like this suggestion. Another situation I have come along is walking behind someone who threw a ciggy butt (or say a crisp packet) on the ground whos walking ahead of you say 30 steps or so. So they are not going to see you picking up their rubbish & hence wont see the valuable lesson. In that case what would you suggest. hmmm.

You would kind of need some way to catch their attention:o

Stateofyou · 25-01-2020 9:44am

Hammer89 wrote: »

Oh god you're not doing anything about it lol.

Being very rude to a stranger and treating her like a child isn't going to make her not flick cigarettes away in the future. Take it from me, you were the asshole in that situation, not her. And I'm sorry to tell you that you didn't make a blind bit of difference in that situation, nor have you made any difference in this situation. You don't care about the environment. Give me your shopping list and your make of car and I guarantee I'll find a way in which to argue you're harming the environment, just in a different way. Because guess what, we all are! Every single one of us is guilty one way or the other because it turns out quite a lot of things are harmful to the planet.

I'd bet a million euro you eat fish and here you are berating smokers for murdering sea creatures with their cigarette butts. I'm certain this is a multi-layered hypocrisy on your part.

Behave like a child, you get treated like a child.

You're the asshole in all the situations in which you throw your toxic litter on the ground, actually. You have the cheek to say others don't care about the environment when you're the one actually causing the harm to it, and willfully being ignorant about it. Logic according to you: "some fish die so we can eat them so I'll pollute the earth and the fish you're going to eat with harmful toxins." Or, "everyone on earth impacts it negatively so I may as well make it even worse." How can one person be so ignorant. Bizarre.

Hammer89 · 25-01-2020 12:50pm

No it's more of a case of you having the cheek to lecture people about the environment without realising you more than likely contribute to the destruction of it in other ways.

Or are you squeaky clean in this respect? Do you line-dry your clothes instead of using a tumble dryer? Do you cycle everywhere instead of driving or getting the bus? Do you eat meat? Is your central heating on a timer or is it liable to stay on a bit longer than it needs to be sometimes? Do you compost your food waste? If the answer to any of these is 'no' then you honestly don't have a leg to stand on pal. And that's precisely my point. We live on a planet where it's virtually impossible for any first-world human being not to damage it in some way. If you want to gloss over that fact well then I'd suggest you're far more ignorant than I am.

AndrewJRenko · 25-01-2020 1:14pm

Hammer89 wrote: »

No it's more of a case of you having the cheek to lecture people about the environment without realising you more than likely contribute to the destruction of it in other ways.

Or are you squeaky clean in this respect? Do you line-dry your clothes instead of using a tumble dryer? Do you cycle everywhere instead of driving or getting the bus? Do you eat meat? Is your central heating on a timer or is it liable to stay on a bit longer than it needs to be sometimes? Do you compost your food waste? If the answer to any of these is 'no' then you honestly don't have a leg to stand on pal. And that's precisely my point. We live on a planet where it's virtually impossible for any first-world human being not to damage it in some way. If you want to gloss over that fact well then I'd suggest you're far more ignorant than I am.

None of this in the slightest justifies your littering. Pick up your own litter, like any mature adult would.

cj maxx · 25-01-2020 1:45pm

I was guilty of this. It was a habit. But thanks to this thread I now see it for what it is. Disgusting littering. Now if I smoke in the car ( rarely ) I flick the lit bit off and dump the filter in a bin when I'm near one. Thanks boards

LirW · 25-01-2020 2:24pm

Hammer89 wrote: »

No it's more of a case of you having the cheek to lecture people about the environment without realising you more than likely contribute to the destruction of it in other ways.

Or are you squeaky clean in this respect? Do you line-dry your clothes instead of using a tumble dryer? Do you cycle everywhere instead of driving or getting the bus? Do you eat meat? Is your central heating on a timer or is it liable to stay on a bit longer than it needs to be sometimes? Do you compost your food waste? If the answer to any of these is 'no' then you honestly don't have a leg to stand on pal. And that's precisely my point. We live on a planet where it's virtually impossible for any first-world human being not to damage it in some way. If you want to gloss over that fact well then I'd suggest you're far more ignorant than I am.

See, we as a society built entirely unsustainable necessities being willfully ignorant of how we treat the environment. These were taken for granted for so long that they are now basically necessities because we built our lives and infrastructures around it.
Many people have to drive cars because the infrastructure in Ireland is fukced, the housing supply is out of sync and work is concentrated in places that are now expensive and people are being pushed out.
Meat has a strong lobby and very vested interests, eating it is cultural and it takes a long time to chance these views because they're deeply engrained. The good thing is, more and more people become very conscious of their habits and try to change it.
Ireland is a very humid country and with bad weather it's virtually impossible drying clothes on a line outside, drying them inside can invite mould into your house depending on how and when it was built.

Many people are very aware of how they damage the environment but you know, sometimes people have extremely limited options depending on their circumstances to make instant changes.
What this planet needs is many people trying really hard instead of a handful doing it perfectly. More and more people try to do what they can to make a tiny change.

Having said all that, littering is entirely preventable and a lazy choice. The brain gymnastics it takes to compare carelessly fecking a cigarette bud out the window to a commuter who has no real options to get to work is beyond me. Apples and pears.
Also driving a car, eating meat and using a tumble dryer are not criminal offences, littering is and you can go to court for it.

Don't excuse your laziness with "BUT BUT the others do bad things too!" Yes we know we drive cars, yes we know it's not good for the environment but there is no solid working solution for the car dependency our society has. But the solution for disposing of buds is putting it into a bin, super simple, super preventable without having to question societal and political values and incompetence.

imme · 25-01-2020 2:34pm

pgj2015 wrote: »

https://www.dailyedge.ie/gerald-kean-operation-transformation-2980324-Sep2016/

like this guy.

The responsibility of fame

Omackeral · 25-01-2020 2:52pm

cjmc wrote: »

I was guilty of this. It was a habit. But thanks to this thread I now see it for what it is. Disgusting littering. Now if I smoke in the car ( rarely ) I flick the lit bit off and dump the filter in a bin when I'm near one. Thanks boards

You made me smile

Hammer89 · 25-01-2020 3:08pm

LirW wrote: »

But the solution for disposing of buds is putting it into a bin, super simple, super preventable without having to question societal and political values and incompetence.

That's only the solution if you're near a bin. If you aren't near a bin you have three options: a) throw it away b) walk until you find a bin or c) put it in your pocket.

Would you walk to find a bin if you were a smoker? I don't think so, and you absolutely wouldn't put it in your pocket until you find one later because you'd stink to high heaven. Cigarette butts themselves smell worse than the smoke. If any of you were smokers you would do the exact same as many more smokers if there was no receptacle, which is drop it on the f*cking ground and stamp on it, or flick it away. I guarantee it.

AndrewJRenko · 25-01-2020 3:10pm

Hammer89 wrote: »

That's only the solution if you're near a bin. If you aren't near a bin you have three options: a) throw it away b) walk until you find a bin or c) put it in your pocket.

Would you walk to find a bin if you were a smoker? I don't think so, and you absolutely wouldn't put it in your pocket until you find one later because you'd stink to high heaven. Cigarette butts themselves smell worse than the smoke. If any of you were smokers you would do the exact same as many more smokers if there was no receptacle, which is drop it on the f*cking ground and stamp on it, or flick it away. I guarantee it.

If you're able to remember to carry your smokes and your lighter with you, then you're able to remember to carry an ashtray with you.
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Clean up after yourself.

Stateofyou · 25-01-2020 3:13pm

Hammer89 wrote: »

No it's more of a case of you having the cheek to lecture people about the environment without realising you more than likely contribute to the destruction of it in other ways.

Or are you squeaky clean in this respect? Do you line-dry your clothes instead of using a tumble dryer? Do you cycle everywhere instead of driving or getting the bus? Do you eat meat? Is your central heating on a timer or is it liable to stay on a bit longer than it needs to be sometimes? Do you compost your food waste? If the answer to any of these is 'no' then you honestly don't have a leg to stand on pal. And that's precisely my point. We live on a planet where it's virtually impossible for any first-world human being not to damage it in some way. If you want to gloss over that fact well then I'd suggest you're far more ignorant than I am.

I absolutely take steps where I can to reduce my footprint. I don't just throw my hands up in the air and say oh well, why even bother doing my best. You've stated things here that completely fly in the face of science and fact even after it was pointed out. Height of ignorance. We should all do better once we know better, not just stubbornly continue on doing harm. If it's easily preventable, why wouldn't you just stop doing it. Because you don't care, and you're lazy. A horrible attitude. We're talking about the impact of cigarette butts here, pal. Not the negative impact of every other human activity. Talk about no leg to stand on. When you point blank admit to littering toxic trash and refuse to listen to reason and scientific fact about it, you have less of leg to stand on than anyone.

Stateofyou · 25-01-2020 3:17pm

Hammer89 wrote: »

That's only the solution if you're near a bin. If you aren't near a bin you have three options: a) throw it away b) walk until you find a bin or c) put it in your pocket.

Would you walk to find a bin if you were a smoker? I don't think so, and you absolutely wouldn't put it in your pocket until you find one later because you'd stink to high heaven. Cigarette butts themselves smell worse than the smoke. If any of you were smokers you would do the exact same as many more smokers if there was no receptacle, which is drop it on the f*cking ground and stamp on it, or flick it away. I guarantee it.

I don't know who else needs to hear this, but when you smoke you actually reek of the stink anyway. Lame excuse.

Edit, And if you are a smoker, why wouldn't you just remember to bring a little bag to wrap up the butt with. There are solutions, but you just want the lazy way out because you couldn't care less.

Stateofyou · 25-01-2020 3:22pm

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/303046425543

Pocket ashtray, they exist! First link that came up after googling, 5 second search and already a solution - and a cheap one too.

Hammer89 · 25-01-2020 3:43pm

Stateofyou wrote: »

I absolutely take steps where I can to reduce my footprint.

I don't believe you. I don't believe you would sacrifice the convenience of a tumble-dryer, for example, just to lower your carbon footprint. I just don't buy this boyscout act I'm afraid.

I think you're just making stuff up as you go along. Want proof? Today you wrote: "Behave like a child, you get treated like a child." Last week you wrote: "Treat people like infants and they'll resent their employer and find ways around it." Verbatim.

So do you reduce your footprint or did you just make it up on the spot in response to what was a very good point? Could you do more to reduce your footprint? If so then why exactly are you calling me lazy and questioning my attitude. Maybe I'm not the one who needs a good look in the mirror. At least I know my stance on things.

25-01-2020 3:47pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

If you're able to remember to carry your smokes and your lighter with you, then you're able to remember to carry an ashtray with you.

Clean up after yourself.

You’re not going to avoid one yourself.

Stateofyou · 25-01-2020 3:51pm

Hammer89 wrote: »

I don't believe you. I don't believe you would sacrifice the convenience of a tumble-dryer, for example, just to lower your carbon footprint. I just don't buy this boyscout act I'm afraid.

I think you're just making stuff up as you go along. Want proof? Today you wrote: "Behave like a child, you get treated like a child." Last week you wrote: "Treat people like infants and they'll resent their employer and find ways around it." Verbatim.

So do you reduce your footprint or did you just make it up on the spot in response to what was a very good point? Could you do more to reduce your footprint? If so then why exactly are you calling me lazy and questioning my attitude. Maybe I'm not the one who needs a good look in the mirror. At least I know my stance on things.

Different situations call for different advice, what a crazy concept. Ha ha

Look at yourself, getting so wound up for being criticized in that terrible behavior (and I'm not the only one) that you've taken the time to go back and read through my previous posts looking for a fault. And trying to find one in me, to what, bring me down to your level? State of you. Look at yourself and change your own behavior. I don't throw cigarette butts or any litter on the ground for that matter. As per the topic on this post. If it's not laziness, then what is it. Could you do more to reduce your footprint? Yeah, stop throwing your disgusting butts on the ground.

Hammer89 · 25-01-2020 3:57pm

Interesting that I effectively said you were lying when you claimed to reduce your footprint where you can and you didn't deny it. I'd rather be lazy and have a bad attitude than be a liar and a hypocrite.

AndrewJRenko · 25-01-2020 4:04pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

You’re not going to avoid one yourself.

True enough, though not smoking gives me a good shot at avoiding it for years more than a smoker.

Hammer89 wrote: »

Interesting that I effectively said you were lying when you claimed to reduce your footprint where you can and you didn't deny it. I'd rather be lazy and have a bad attitude than be a liar and a hypocrite.

The world would rather that you'd not litter. Stop littering please.

Stateofyou · 25-01-2020 4:05pm

Hammer89 wrote: »

Interesting that I effectively said you were lying when you claimed to reduce your footprint where you can and you didn't deny it. I'd rather be lazy and have a bad attitude than be a liar and a hypocrite.

I don't need to prove anything to you, and I know myself all I've done and continue to do so I'm not going to engage with you on that. This topic is about throwing cigarette butts on the ground. People have posted their opinions on how disgusting it is, how wrong, and the science and facts behind why it's bad. You've decided to ignore that and claim there are non-existent processes of decomposition called "and suddenly" just to try and excuse your actions.

So you admit you're lazy with a bad attitude. Well it's only obvious. Be more like the other poster who has enough humility to admit its wrong and a change could be made. Simple.

beggars_bush · 25-01-2020 4:21pm

Unfortunately Ireland seems to be increasingly full of litter louts

Hammer89 · 25-01-2020 9:51pm

As an experiment, I'd invite all the sanctimonious non-smokers in here to take up eating 10 chewing gums a day for the next month and if you dispose of every single one of them in the correct manner - i.e putting them in a bin of some description - then I'd be extremely impressed. I genuinely would be, because there will be times when you're nowhere near a bin and the smaller something is, the more you can rationalise the 'littering' of it. And instead of putting it into your pocket or carrying it around with you until you find a bin, all of you will be tempted to litter and most of you will succumb to it out of sheer convenience. I promise you.

Irish_peppa · 26-01-2020 8:47am

Hammer89 wrote: »

As an experiment, I'd invite all the sanctimonious non-smokers in here to take up eating 10 chewing gums a day for the next month and if you dispose of every single one of them in the correct manner - i.e putting them in a bin of some description - then I'd be extremely impressed. I genuinely would be, because there will be times when you're nowhere near a bin and the smaller something is, the more you can rationalise the 'littering' of it. And instead of putting it into your pocket or carrying it around with you until you find a bin, all of you will be tempted to litter and most of you will succumb to it out of sheer convenience. I promise you.

a guy i worked with use to stick his used gum behind his ear he would eat a few sticks in the morning then when he wanted take it out and place it behind his lug for later. Odd time he would forget it was there and he would be in the shop with what looked like an old hearing aid strapped behind his ear :pac:

adrian92 · 26-01-2020 8:52am

One hundred years ago many cigarettes but no plastic filters.

No plastic at all one hundred years ago.

It is the plastic, I think, not the cigarettes

AndrewJRenko · 26-01-2020 11:29am

Hammer89 wrote: »

As an experiment, I'd invite all the sanctimonious non-smokers in here to take up eating 10 chewing gums a day for the next month and if you dispose of every single one of them in the correct manner - i.e putting them in a bin of some description - then I'd be extremely impressed. I genuinely would be, because there will be times when you're nowhere near a bin and the smaller something is, the more you can rationalise the 'littering' of it. And instead of putting it into your pocket or carrying it around with you until you find a bin, all of you will be tempted to litter and most of you will succumb to it out of sheer convenience. I promise you.

It looks like this is going to be a big surprise to you, but most decent people don't litter. They make other arrangements, however inconvenient that is for them.

cajonlardo · 26-01-2020 11:33am

Hammer89 wrote: »

As an experiment, I'd invite all the sanctimonious non-smokers in here to take up eating 10 chewing gums a day for the next month and if you dispose of every single one of them in the correct manner - i.e putting them in a bin of some description - then I'd be extremely impressed. I genuinely would be, because there will be times when you're nowhere near a bin and the smaller something is, the more you can rationalise the 'littering' of it. And instead of putting it into your pocket or carrying it around with you until you find a bin, all of you will be tempted to litter and most of you will succumb to it out of sheer convenience. I promise you.

Still digging?
Even after you have been shown a video of a biker with 3rd degree burns all over his torso and arms because a half wit decided to flick a butt out the window?

No point engaging further so.

Grab All Association · 26-01-2020 11:47am

Jesus Christ it’s only cigarette butts. Along comes another car and squashes the butt flat on the road making it almost unnoticeable. Rain comes along and breaks down the cigarette butt.

Coffee cups, Tayto bags and fast food packaging are the biggest litter problems along roads. I’d be more pissed off about this than a cigarette butt.

Hammer89 · 26-01-2020 11:49am

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

It looks like this is going to be a big surprise to you, but most decent people don't litter. They make other arrangements, however inconvenient that is for them.

Well then do what I suggested Andrew and we'll see how decent you are when you have to discard something very small between 10-15 times a day in public. Believe me, on some occasions you're not going to go out of your way to find a bin if there isn't one nearby. On some occasion you will litter it because it's the most convenient solution at that time. Do the experiment.

Hammer89 · 26-01-2020 11:53am

cajonlardo wrote: »

Still digging?
Even after you have been shown a video of a biker with 3rd degree burns all over his torso and arms because a half wit decided to flick a butt out the window?

No point engaging further so.

Digging? I've been consistently making valid points throughout this entire fiasco.

Guy:Incognito · 26-01-2020 12:53pm

dark crystal wrote: »

They stopped putting ash trays in cars years ago. What else are they supposed to do with a lit cigarette?
I suppose they could have a bottle of water in the car or something for cigarette waste. If you don't have an extinguishable in the car, I guess throwing them away is the only option.

Cars dont come with bins, can I just fling all my rubbish out the window?

EDIT, beaten to it .

Buy an ashtray for the car if you want to smoke.

Stateofyou · 26-01-2020 12:58pm

Hammer89 wrote: »

Well then do what I suggested Andrew and we'll see how decent you are when you have to discard something very small between 10-15 times a day in public. Believe me, on some occasions you're not going to go out of your way to find a bin if there isn't one nearby. On some occasion you will litter it because it's the most convenient solution at that time. Do the experiment.

Buy a pocket ashtray and do your own experiment. It's not on anyone else to prove you right or wrong. Figure it out for yourself. There are cheap solutions, no excuse.

Hammer89 · 26-01-2020 1:01pm

Chewing gum is cheaper. Let me know how you get on a month from now.

throwing cigarette butts out the car window

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