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Cycling/Walking around the city

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  • #102
    snubbleste
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    Is my recommendation not sound? Surely the cyclist should act the same way as the motorist and exercise their right of way?


  • #103
    what_traffic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    snubbleste wrote: »
    Is my recommendation not sound? Surely the cyclist should act the same way as the motorist and exercise their right of way?

    It is technically but it may not suit the OP. It depends on how confident/experienced/skilled as a cyclist one is to carry out your recommendation.


  • #104
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    galway_cyclist wrote: »
    Hi All,

    I have recently taken to the bike again to avoid the traffic jams and get a bit more exercise into my day. I always wear a helmet and always obey the rules of the road.

    There is one junction on my route that I have particular problems negotiating as I meet cars on my side of the road on an daily basis. Basically I am cycling in the direction of Moycullen and I am moving into the right hand turn lane to enter NUIG here and I often meet cars driving towards me in order to pass out the traffic jam on their side of the road. It has come to the stage now where I believe I am going to get knocked off the bike as this happens on a daily basis...Any advice? Thanks




    Ah yes, I am familiar with that spot and the Irish driving regularly on display there.

    May I ask where you are travelling (ie starting out) from? There may be an alternative route.


  • #105
    galwaycyclist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    If you cut through the yellow box on the Moycullen Arm of the lights, there used to be a gap into the campus at the bottom of the slope. Not sure but it might still be there.

    Also it might be an idea to raise it with Cllr Billy Cameron in the Newcastle post office - he is a cyclist. If you are going to the guards ring Mill St and ask if you can speak to someone from the bike unit and see if you can make an appointment.


  • #106
    galway_cyclist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7 ✭galway_cyclist


    snubbleste wrote: »
    As you progress north in the morning, extend your right arm in a rigid manner, then motion it slightly(or attempt a jazz hands) to indicate to all and sundry your plain desire to enter the right-turning lane. Then you proceed, move into the right hand lane and turn right.
    If a motorist wants to ignore the road markings and jeopardise you and your transport, stand your ground and stare them down. Eventually the left lane will move and the motorist(s) must move into it.

    Hi snubbleste, Thanks for the reply - I do this already - I put out my right hand, I move into the right turn lane and again I use my hand to indicate that I am turning right.

    I have also on occasion, when met by cars stopped in my lane and stared at them and pointed to the arrow on the road, just incase they don't see that they are on the wrong side of the road. I don't even know if they see me as they seem to look around me and not directly at me. At this point someone in the right lane, on the university side of the road stops and lets me through. Then the offending motorist carries on in the wrong lane when I am out of it...


  • #107
    galway_cyclist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7 ✭galway_cyclist


    Thanks everyone for the responses - I am coming from the Newcastle direction in an attempt to avoid road works out the Rahoon direction and I don't want to go near that roundabout at the back of the hospital as that is a total nightmare so I cycle through Moyola park. The AIB entrance would be out of the way for me and I would still meet the offending motorists if I were to turn right here from the Moyola park exit - Its probably safer for me to meet them face on, at least I can see them, rather than them driving at my back...
    galwaycyclist wrote: »
    If you cut through the yellow box on the Moycullen Arm of the lights, there used to be a gap into the campus at the bottom of the slope. Not sure but it might still be there.

    Also it might be an idea to raise it with Cllr Billy Cameron in the Newcastle post office - he is a cyclist. If you are going to the guards ring Mill St and ask if you can speak to someone from the bike unit and see if you can make an appointment.

    Thanks galwaycyclist, I didn't know that about Cllr Billy Cameron - I will certainly look him up. Also didn't know about the bike unit in Mill street - that's also good to know.


  • #108
    galwaycyclist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    Watched this junction this morning while waiting to turn left onto the bridge from Moycullen side. I counted 6 cars and a 404 bus come from behind and drive through the right-turn lane going the wrong way.


  • #109
    galway_cyclist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7 ✭galway_cyclist


    galwaycyclist wrote: »
    Watched this junction this morning while waiting to turn left onto the bridge from Moycullen side. I counted 6 cars and a 404 bus come from behind and drive through the right-turn lane going the wrong way.

    Yeah it's deceptively dangerous - I met 2 cars coming towards me yesterday morning - One on the complete wrong side of the road and one in the right hand turn lane - That's what made me put up this post! I was terrified!


  • #110
    galwaycyclist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    galway_cyclist wrote: »
    Yeah it's deceptively dangerous - I met 2 cars coming towards me yesterday morning - One on the complete wrong side of the road and one in the right hand turn lane - That's what made me put up this post! I was terrified!

    Hmmm slightly joking but I see it as perceptably dangerous - there's no mistaking a 404 bus coming at you! :D

    Whats deceptively dangerous at Newcastle is the cycle lane arrangement that puts you in a blind spot for turning HGV drivers.

    Have you considered Ardilaun Heights instead of Moyola? It comes out at the lights.


  • #111
    galway_cyclist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7 ✭galway_cyclist


    galwaycyclist wrote: »
    Hmmm slightly joking but I see it as perceptably dangerous - there's no mistaking a 404 bus coming at you! :D

    Whats deceptively dangerous at Newcastle is the cycle lane arrangement that puts you in a blind spot for turning HGV drivers.

    Have you considered Ardilaun Heights instead of Moyola? It comes out at the lights.

    :D I haven't come face to face with a 404 bus...YET :D

    Where is that cycle lane in Newcastle that puts you in the blind spot? I usually stick to the same route when cycling so I'm not sure if I have gone on that - just to keep that in mind if I am on it.

    I will give the Ardilaun Heights route a go tomorrow morning. I was going to try it this morning but I had to get off the bike coming up to that junction and walk on the footpath as there was a traffic jam back to the bus stop at Laurel Park, two cars wide when I arrived there this morning and I had no room to cycle.


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  • #112
    antoobrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    galway_cyclist wrote: »
    Thanks everyone for the responses - I am coming from the Newcastle direction in an attempt to avoid road works out the Rahoon direction and I don't want to go near that roundabout at the back of the hospital as that is a total nightmare so I cycle through Moyola park.

    I'd still recommend going to the AIB Distillery Rd and use that road back to St Anthony's it's only an extra couple of minutes (says somebody who use to cycle 15-20 minutes on a good day to get in).

    But if the right turn, or crossing the Moycullen Rd, is causing you that much worry there are two options, which may or may not be of any use to you.

    Instead of taking the shorter route, turn left at Thomas Hynes Road and go out to the lights at Dangan and come back in the Moycullen Rd (that's way longer than the AIB route tho).

    If you can lift your bike over the rail, use the steps off the QB that links ST Anthony's to the main campus (I did that before they had steps there a more than a few times).


  • #113
    Zzippy
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    Slightly off topic, but I think the bridge linking Fisheries Field with the campus will be arriving this week, apparently a crane is being erected tomorrow so I would imagine the bridge installation will be over the next few days.
    To answer the question from earlier, the bridge will link up with the new walkway along the wall on the far side of th field and exit through the gate between that statue and the apartment block, just here: http://maps.google.ie/maps?hl=en&ll=53.275713,-9.057289&spn=0.001591,0.004128&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=53.275713,-9.057289&panoid=f2V0zc1SxBo3bIm4XNC3Ng&cbp=12,43.49,,0,0.94


  • #114
    slideshow bob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 367 ✭✭slideshow bob


    197991.jpgjust got to make sure you don't whack any pedestrians on the lane.


  • #115
    antoobrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    slideshow bob wrote: »
    197991.jpg

    just got to make sure you don't whack any pedestrians on the lane.

    won't (s)he still have to cross the moycullen rd - i get the impression that this is part of the problem.


  • #116
    galway_cyclist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7 ✭galway_cyclist


    slideshow bob wrote: »
    197991.jpgjust got to make sure you don't whack any pedestrians on the lane.

    Thanks for the map slideshow bob - I used to cycle this way but found it equally as difficult to join traffic there with cars being in the yellow box here... I had to keep to the right of the traffic and the cross in front of traffic to turn left into NUIG, and as you mentioned, I did come across a few pedestrians here also. I'm going to try these suggestions over this week and next and see if they are safer than my original route.


  • #117
    galway_cyclist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7 ✭galway_cyclist


    antoobrien wrote: »
    I'd still recommend going to the AIB Distillery Rd and use that road back to St Anthony's it's only an extra couple of minutes (says somebody who use to cycle 15-20 minutes on a good day to get in).

    But if the right turn, or crossing the Moycullen Rd, is causing you that much worry there are two options, which may or may not be of any use to you.

    Instead of taking the shorter route, turn left at Thomas Hynes Road and go out to the lights at Dangan and come back in the Moycullen Rd (that's way longer than the AIB route tho).

    If you can lift your bike over the rail, use the steps off the QB that links ST Anthony's to the main campus (I did that before they had steps there a more than a few times).

    Hi antoobrien, thanks for the post - is this the route that you are suggesting?

    I don't think I could manage to carry the bike down/up stairs/ over rails to be honest :)


  • #118
    galwaycyclist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    galway_cyclist wrote: »
    Hi antoobrien, thanks for the post - is this the route that you are suggesting?

    I don't think I could manage to carry the bike down/up stairs/ over rails to be honest :)

    There is a little wheeling ramp at the edge of the steps down to the campus from the bridge I have never used it so I can't say what kind of challenge they pose ergonomically speaking.


  • #119
    antoobrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    galway_cyclist wrote: »
    Hi antoobrien, thanks for the post - is this the route that you are suggesting?

    Yes, that's the AIB route that has been suggested
    galway_cyclist wrote: »
    I don't think I could manage to carry the bike down/up stairs/ over rails to be honest :)

    Unless its a really heavy old clunker it wont be a problem, trust me. There's no rail since they put the steps in (tell you how long ago I've used it), so there's no need to lift it at all, mea culpa.

    Just put it up on its rear wheel and wheel it down the steps. Shouldn't be too hard getting it back up the steps either, but it's not that much of a detour to go back out by distillery rd if you don't want to do that.


  • #120
    slideshow bob
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    Getting the bike down the wheeling ramp beside steps is a bit awkward, but doable (Yellow Route). The route behind the innovation centre saves you that though (Red Route).

    198105.jpg


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  • #121
    Cakewheels
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    Zzippy wrote: »
    Slightly off topic, but I think the bridge linking Fisheries Field with the campus will be arriving this week, apparently a crane is being erected tomorrow so I would imagine the bridge installation will be over the next few days.
    To answer the question from earlier, the bridge will link up with the new walkway along the wall on the far side of th field and exit through the gate between that statue and the apartment block, just here: http://maps.google.ie/maps?hl=en&ll=53.275713,-9.057289&spn=0.001591,0.004128&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=53.275713,-9.057289&panoid=f2V0zc1SxBo3bIm4XNC3Ng&cbp=12,43.49,,0,0.94



    Thanks for that. really don't see the point in it for cyclists though (are they claiming it's partly for cyclists?) without another bridge going across the corrib. I'm sure it'll be nice for people just going for a stroll, but I'm guessing most people on bikes will just go the way they always have. As well as having to dismount for the bridge itself, cyclists would probably have to walk most of the way on that path if there's going to be people walking on it, it's not very wide is it? And then how to get back onto the road at the Salmon Wier bridge, right where cars are turning? You need to be in the middle of the road approaching the Salmon Wier.


  • #122
    what_traffic
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    loughgill wrote: »
    Thanks for that. really don't see the point in it for cyclists though (are they claiming it's partly for cyclists?) without another bridge going across the corrib. I'm sure it'll be nice for people just going for a stroll, but I'm guessing most people on bikes will just go the way they always have. As well as having to dismount for the bridge itself, cyclists would probably have to walk most of the way on that path if there's going to be people walking on it, it's not very wide is it? And then how to get back onto the road at the Salmon Wier bridge, right where cars are turning? You need to be in the middle of the road approaching the Salmon Wier.

    Agree 100%.


  • #123
    dmcg90
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,778 ✭✭✭dmcg90


    Just moved down to the docks, the traffic system down there is horrible for cyclists, especially outside Jurys.


  • #124
    what_traffic
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    dmcg90 wrote: »
    Just moved down to the docks, the traffic system down there is horrible for cyclists, especially outside Jurys.

    The dual carrigeway one way gyratory make it very difficult to negotiate alright on a bike. Re Jurys - is it the narrowness of lanes here due to the central traffic islands that you dont like?


  • #125
    yer man!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭yer man!


    loughgill wrote: »
    Thanks for that. really don't see the point in it for cyclists though (are they claiming it's partly for cyclists?) without another bridge going across the corrib. I'm sure it'll be nice for people just going for a stroll, but I'm guessing most people on bikes will just go the way they always have. As well as having to dismount for the bridge itself, cyclists would probably have to walk most of the way on that path if there's going to be people walking on it, it's not very wide is it? And then how to get back onto the road at the Salmon Wier bridge, right where cars are turning? You need to be in the middle of the road approaching the Salmon Wier.
    The bridge is the start point of the Galway - Moycullen greenway. It has however been postponed with available funds just going towards the bridge for now. The greenway will go through NUI, under the quincentenary bridge and out towards dangan and so on. A pathway already exists around the Dangan section but it's a very rough surface, so this will be ungraded to a proper surface for walking and cycling.
    The bridge will be handy for students as the footpath on university road is really tight so it's easier walk on the road.


  • #126
    galwaycyclist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    yer man! wrote: »
    The bridge is the start point of the Galway - Moycullen greenway. It has however been postponed with available funds just going towards the bridge for now. The greenway will go through NUI, under the quincentenary bridge and out towards dangan and so on. A pathway already exists around the Dangan section but it's a very rough surface, so this will be ungraded to a proper surface for walking and cycling.
    The bridge will be handy for students as the footpath on university road is really tight so it's easier walk on the road.

    I would view the Claddagh basin as the start point of the route to Clifden - ideally also tied in with some kind of route along the coast via Nimmos.


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  • #127
    galwaycyclist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    dmcg90 wrote: »
    Just moved down to the docks, the traffic system down there is horrible for cyclists, especially outside Jurys.

    Speaking of cycling (and walking) conditions in the city - the elected City Council is due to consider a draft Walking and Cycling Strategy for the city and environs at their meeting on April 16th (Monday). They will be able to amend the document as well. (there is no draft on-line unfortunately)

    Ideally the end document would closely match the philosophy of the National Cycle Policy Framework
    http://www.transport.ie/upload/general/11387-0.pdf

    Particularly chapter 2 and the "Hierarchy of Solutions".

    If there is stuff in that list you want to see done for cycling in Galway now is the time to get onto your local councillor. Bear in mind that the officials appear to be trying to actively evade the provisions of the National Cycle Policy Framework if you want stuff to happen you will have to fight for it. :D

    There is already lobbying going on PM me if you want to co-ordinate efforts.


  • #128
    Zzippy
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    loughgill wrote: »
    Thanks for that. really don't see the point in it for cyclists though (are they claiming it's partly for cyclists?) without another bridge going across the corrib. I'm sure it'll be nice for people just going for a stroll, but I'm guessing most people on bikes will just go the way they always have. As well as having to dismount for the bridge itself, cyclists would probably have to walk most of the way on that path if there's going to be people walking on it, it's not very wide is it? And then how to get back onto the road at the Salmon Wier bridge, right where cars are turning? You need to be in the middle of the road approaching the Salmon Wier.

    Its not intended for cyclists (primarily), but as another poster said, as part of a greenway that will also be useful to cyclists. Given funding, in 10 years time it might be possible to walk/cycle all the way from Galway to Clifden without being on a public road, this would be the first step in that process...

    The bridge was initially conceived to complete a circular walking route along Eglinton Canal and back along the river towards Spanish Arch, but the idea morphed into a greenway along the river towards Dangan, and the success of the Westport-Achill greenway has led to thoughts of a similar greenway from Clifden to Galway, along the old railway line, which would be a great facility for local recreation as well as tourism.


  • #129
    galwaycyclist
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    Zzippy wrote: »
    Its not intended for cyclists (primarily), but as another poster said, as part of a greenway that will also be useful to cyclists. Given funding, in 10 years time it might be possible to walk/cycle all the way from Galway to Clifden without being on a public road, this would be the first step in that process...

    The bridge was initially conceived to complete a circular walking route along Eglinton Canal and back along the river towards Spanish Arch, but the idea morphed into a greenway along the river towards Dangan, and the success of the Westport-Achill greenway has led to thoughts of a similar greenway from Clifden to Galway, along the old railway line, which would be a great facility for local recreation as well as tourism.

    Just to set the record straight.

    The proposals to develop the old railway alignment as a a greenway have been around for as long as I have been involved in cycling in Galway. In particular Brendan Geoghegan the first chair of the Galway Cycling Campaign was plugging away at this 14 years ago.

    In terms of first steps in the process - I also have a duty to make you aware that Galway County Council have already put the first section of the greenway in place in the form of a cycleway parallel to the N59 out near Clifden.


  • #130
    Zzippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    galwaycyclist wrote: »
    Just to set the record straight.

    The proposals to develop the old railway alignment as a a greenway have been around for as long as I have been involved in cycling in Galway. In particular Brendan Geoghegan the first chair of the Galway Cycling Campaign was plugging away at this 14 years ago.

    In terms of first steps in the process - I also have a duty to make you aware that Galway County Council have already put the first section of the greenway in place in the form of a cycleway parallel to the N59 out near Clifden.

    Sorry, you're right, but the greenway has become much more of a possibility since the success of the Westport-Achill route. The new cycleway near Clifden was only made possible by the realignment of the road AFAIK and was not part of an overall Clifden-Galway greenway project, which is still to be formally proposed, no?


  • #131
    galwaycyclist
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    Zzippy wrote: »
    Sorry, you're right, but the greenway has become much more of a possibility since the success of the Westport-Achill route. The new cycleway near Clifden was only made possible by the realignment of the road AFAIK and was not part of an overall Clifden-Galway greenway project, which is still to be formally proposed, no?

    Hmmm likely Westport Achill has finally proved the concept to more parochial elements. Clifden Galway is technically a bigger challenge than Wesport Achill. Reason being that the railway alignment has been built on in places. Also in some places the N59 now incorporates the old railway alignment. It is not merely going to a case of coming along and converting the existing track bed to a greenway. So the awkward sections will need some proposals worked up to "road scheme" state. The NRA have had a person dedicated to working up a national system of off-road routes for the last three years.


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  • #132
    civis_liberalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭civis_liberalis


    Never found cycling in the city too bad.

    I was as much a danger to other people as cars where to me. Rolling out of the scratcher and not being awake until I was almost at the door of work, tearing in and out of short-cuts here and there.

    Would people have noticed a big change in the last 5-10 years?


  • #133
    topcat77
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭topcat77


    Haven't found cycling in the city bad. I personally think that there are more of Bad cyclists to Bad drivers. The only difference is the drivers have had training and know the rules of the road and should know better.

    Point on bad cyclists.

    No helmets!!!
    No Hi vis clothing
    No lights at night
    Running traffic lights
    No Hand signals
    cycling the wrong way on one way system
    Cycling on the footpaths or down shop street
    No understanding of the rules of the road.

    I'm not trying to give out! I cycle to work every day and this is just my observations.

    Tips of cyclists.

    Be safe! (Ware the helmet it might look crap but it could save your life).
    Be seen (the majority of accidents happen because the driver didn't see you).
    Be Bold on the road (If you hug the curb drivers tend to bully you and over take dangerously).
    Plan your trip before you get on the bike. (think safe an extra 5mins can make the trip safer and more enjoyable).
    Beware undertaking ( we all do it just not with trucks and buses)
    Understanding (Learn the rules of the road).

    If anyone has any other tips please add.

    What I'm trying to get across is that we have very little control over traffic systems or driver but we have control on how we cycle.


  • #134
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,160 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    topcat77 wrote: »
    No helmets!!! - NOT LEGALLY REQUIRED OR NEEDED FOR SAFETY
    No Hi vis clothing - NOT LEGALLY REQUIRED OR NEEDED FOR SAFETY
    No lights at night - This is horrendously stupid and the Gardai should be cracking down on it
    Running traffic lights - Illegal and often stupid, again the gardai should be out enforcing these rules
    No Hand signals - To the best of my knowledge a cyclists road position is often a reasonable substitute for hand signals as it may be dangerous in a situation to let go of the handlebars eg cyclist on the left could be turning left or going straight, either way don't overtake them on a junction, cyclist on the right, should be clear they are turning right etc.
    No understanding of the rules of the road - Alot of drivers seem to have no understanding of the rules of the road either from the last time I was driving in Galway, I think people forget, there are no stupid cyclists or stupid drivers, there are only stupid or ignorant people who are let control these vechicles.

    ............

    Be safe! (Ware the helmet it might look crap but it could save your life). - Could also increase your risk of rotational spinal injury in a crash or end up choking you, its at a persons discretion if they wear a helmet and it should be left that way
    Be seen (the majority of accidents happen because the driver didn't see you). - you could also argue it is because said drivers were not paying enough attention
    Be Bold on the road (If you hug the curb drivers tend to bully you and over take dangerously). - Great advice and something the RSA should be pushing in their ads for cyclists as many new cyclists do not realise this

    Just a few points of my own, if you do a search over on the cycling forum you will see the helmet/hi vis thing has been done to death, I won't go into the pros and cons of either as it is time consuming and ultimately pointless as people are generally rooted in their views.

    Anyway back on topic, what are the gardai like for cracking down on traffic offences at peak traffic times. A week or two during term time on cracking down on both cyclists and drivers amber gambling and RLJing could do wonders, there certainly was an improvement in Dublin IMO.


  • #135
    yer man!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭yer man!


    Just saw the city development plan 2011 - 2017, the council are planning for a new bridge to go over the old railway stacks to connect a planned greenway coming into the city from the east to the planned greenway heading west through NUIG grounds to Clifden. What do people think of this? Is it likely to happen?


  • #136
    snubbleste
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    yer man! wrote: »
    Just saw the city development plan 2011 - 2017, the council are planning for a new bridge to go over the old railway stacks to connect a planned greenway coming into the city from the east to the planned greenway heading west through NUIG grounds to Clifden. What do people think of this? Is it likely to happen?

    That's been mooted for years but the Corrib boat club adjacent have objected to it and have refused a land swap from the college a few years back in order for the project to progress. So it ain't gonna happen.


  • #137
    Robbo
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    snubbleste wrote: »
    That's been mooted for years but the Corrib boat club adjacent have objected to it and have refused a land swap from the college a few years back in order for the project to progress. So it ain't gonna happen.
    Slightly more to it than that. As I recall it, the funding for the proposed footbridge was a one-time "millennium" thing.

    The proposed "land swap" came later, when the funding for the footbridge had gone, and was comprehensively voted down by the CR&YC membership. Had such a vote been carried (and there was a lot of effort put into it, including attempts to change the voting rules to lower the threshold required), the project would have come unstuck firstly for boring land law related reasons and secondly, for sexy environmental reasons.


  • #138
    Robbo
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,571 Mod ✭✭✭✭Robbo


    I believe the a very large ball in relation to funding the proposed Greenway bridge has been dropped in relation.

    I'll leave it open to suggestion as to where the witchhunt may be started.


  • #139
    galwaycyclist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    Hi

    The county council is shortly to start considering a Walking and Cycling Strategy for the County.

    I have started a thread in the Galway County Forum to try and capture works that might be needed. The thought occurs that some of the "city" cyclists would be familiar with the situation in some "county" locations as well.

    Feel free to contribute


  • #140
    Zzippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    Robbo wrote: »
    I believe the a very large ball in relation to funding the proposed Greenway bridge has been dropped in relation.

    I'll leave it open to suggestion as to where the witchhunt may be started.

    If you mean the bridge between Fisheries Field and the college, that's almost complete - the full span is in place and they're currently installing the suspension cables, handrails etc.


  • #141
    Robbo
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,571 Mod ✭✭✭✭Robbo


    Zzippy wrote: »
    If you mean the bridge between Fisheries Field and the college, that's almost complete - the full span is in place and they're currently installing the suspension cables, handrails etc.
    I was watching it being put up, the problem is there may not be the money to pay for it and other related works. More will emerge next week.


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  • #142
    FlashD
    Closed Accounts Posts: 865 ✭✭✭FlashD


    galwaycyclist wrote: »
    Hi

    The county council is shortly to start considering a Walking and Cycling Strategy for the County.

    What a joke!

    Should have been started 15-20 years ago.


  • #143
    galwaycyclist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    Hi

    I don't know if the local cyclists have seen it but there is a thread going at the moment on updating the Openstreetmap data for the city.

    This would actually be a very useful resource for cycling as well. The Cycling Campaign has a project to develop cycling maps of Galway and the main county towns. The information part is done but in order to publish it we need a usable set of map data. The costs of an Ordnance Survey licence preclude using their data set. If we had good open source data we could go with that.

    We are using the Cheltenham Specification for Cycling Maps

    http://www.cyclecheltenham.org.uk/map_standard.html

    The idea is to have a map where you can see at a glance if there are suitable routes available to you getting from A to B and if there might be alternative routes that might offer more appropriate cycling conditions.

    An example of the Warrington version of the map is downloadable from here

    http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pete.meg/wcc/map.htm

    However they are monster files!

    Anyhow if we could get the Galway city data finished it would be a big step on the way to getting the map published.


  • #144
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    galwaycyclist wrote: »
    Hi

    I don't know if the local cyclists have seen it but there is a thread going at the moment on updating the Openstreetmap data for the city.

    This would actually be a very useful resource for cycling as well. The Cycling Campaign has a project to develop cycling maps of Galway and the main county towns. The information part is done but in order to publish it we need a usable set of map data. The costs of an Ordnance Survey licence preclude using their data set. If we had good open source data we could go with that.

    We are using the Cheltenham Specification for Cycling Maps

    http://www.cyclecheltenham.org.uk/map_standard.html

    The idea is to have a map where you can see at a glance if there are suitable routes available to you getting from A to B and if there might be alternative routes that might offer more appropriate cycling conditions.

    An example of the Warrington version of the map is downloadable from here

    http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pete.meg/wcc/map.htm

    However they are monster files!

    Anyhow if we could get the Galway city data finished it would be a big step on the way to getting the map published.

    Hi galwaycyclist,

    If you look at the osm wiki page for Galway, I am planning on adding cycling data to osm soon, however if you have the data already that would speed up the good ten times over.

    There is already a layer for cycling data in osm that you can use for free which you can select from inside the main map on openstreetmap.org or on www.opencyclemap.org. See link for Galway's current view under cycle map layer.

    As you will see, its pretty bare of cycling info right now, and some of the current info may not be correct (haven't looked too closely yet) but I'm working on changing that.


  • #145
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    galwaycyclist wrote: »
    The costs of an Ordnance Survey licence preclude using their data set.



    You should be able to get the OSI licence a lot cheaper if it is educational/charity/non-commercial.
    Anyone wishing to reproduce Ordnance Survey Ireland material, or use it as a basis for their own publications, must obtain a licence from Ordnance Survey Ireland, for which a fee may be payable. [Emphasis added: IWH]
    http://www.osi.ie/Education/Copyright.aspx


    TTBOMK the fee payable to the OSI is negotiable, and would not be at all prohibitive. The main expense would be in producing the map itself.

    Or have you enquired already and received a non-affordable quote from the OSI?


  • #146
    Zzippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    You should be able to get the OSI licence a lot cheaper if it is educational/charity/non-commercial.
    Anyone wishing to reproduce Ordnance Survey Ireland material, or use it as a basis for their own publications, must obtain a licence from Ordnance Survey Ireland, for which a fee may be payable. [Emphasis added: IWH]
    http://www.osi.ie/Education/Copyright.aspx


    TTBOMK the fee payable to the OSI is negotiable, and would not be at all prohibitive. The main expense would be in producing the map itself.

    Or have you enquired already and received a non-affordable quote from the OSI?

    That is for publication, the rates are usually quite reasonable for that alright, but to actually obtain datasets for use in GIS-type mapping software is prohibitively expensive, no matter what the intended use. Believe me, I've been using OSI data for many years and it costs a fortune!


  • #147
    what_traffic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Zzippy wrote: »
    That is for publication, the rates are usually quite reasonable for that alright, but to actually obtain datasets for use in GIS-type mapping software is prohibitively expensive, no matter what the intended use. Believe me, I've been using OSI data for many years and it costs a fortune!

    Zzippy as your an expert in this GIS area - what would be the best way(I.E cheapest/non OSI) to try and achieve the color layering done in the Warrington version of the map?

    http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pete.meg/wcc/map.htm


  • #148
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Not to cut across zippy, but OSM with openlayers would do what you want and for free.

    Only thing you have to do is add the data to OSM, and set up openlayers to render to whatever preference style you want and hey presto.

    As an example, here's Oxford under normal OSM layer, opencyclemap.org layer and also a layer devised by Oxford transportparadise.co.uk


  • #149
    Zzippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    what_traffic wrote: »
    Zzippy as your an expert in this GIS area - what would be the best way(I.E cheapest/non OSI) to try and achieve the color layering done in the Warrington version of the map?

    http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pete.meg/wcc/map.htm

    Definitely not an expert, an end-user alright, and I've seen how much our organisation has to pay for OSI data. I've also paid for print licences from OSI for non-profit use in the past.

    By sounds of it DaCor knows a lot more than me about how to go about it


  • #150
    what_traffic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Thanks Dacor and Zzippy - that is very useful information


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  • #151
    Lacha
    Registered Users Posts: 24 ✭Lacha


    Does anyone have experience of cycling in Galway city? Would it be do-able to and cycle from Knocknacarra to Renmore?


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