Brownells

Cass · 15-04-2019 12:44am #1

I dislike having to do this, but with the rise in the number of threads and post in the last few weeks i have little option as it's easier than keeping up with "one by one" process i've been using thus far.

A few years back certain legal threats and demands were made of and against Boards.ie that no mention of a certain individual, his businesses, services or anything to do with him be mentioned on Boards.ie

As the demands had a legal threat behind them, if he or his businesses were mentioned, the Admins removed all mention of him/his businesses and informed the Mods to continue to do so, indefinitely, as per this individuals demands.

Since the same person has now has the Brownell's Ireland franchise this means we cannot discuss it on this site.

It's annoying, a pain in the ass, and all that, but unfortunately its the way things have to be because of this person's demands. It's entirely out of the hands of the Mods, the Admins, etc. and we can make no exceptions.

This thread will remain up for a little while, but will be locked as it's not a platform for people to have their say. It's only meant as a notification and explanation as to why some threads and posts are disappearing. I try to inform each person on a one by one basis, but the topic is coming up more and more frequently each weekly. So this will help get the word out and prevent future issues.

Thanks.

Cass · 23-01-2020 10:07pm

Not wanting to break the forum rule, but again this issue has raised its head a few times so here is an answer for everyone.

Brownells Ireland has, by all accounts, ceased trading. Brownells UK has said Brownells USA & EU are working on trying to create an alternative (EU ordering or parcel motel type situation), but as off yet there is nothing.

I hope this answers everyone's questions and satisfies the lads that have tried to post about it, but could not because of the reasons laid out in post one (1), above.

Here is the screenshot from Brownells UK.

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Grizzly 45 · 24-01-2020 2:49am

Would hope with the changes coming to ITAR,we can go back to ordering directly from the US.

alanmc · 24-01-2020 7:37am

Have people ordered from Brownells UK using Parcel Motel? Any issues?

Cass · 24-01-2020 12:48pm

According to the message sent from the UK store it does happen. He even includes a link to parcel motel in his reply.

I haven't done it personally as i ordered direct from the US up until the GDPR issue which stopped me accessing the US site. I haven't ordered anything from the Irish site and the UK was actually more expensive, but not with a much larger selection. Its why i preferred the US site.

J.R. · 24-01-2020 8:07pm

The https://www.brownells.ie website still seems to be active and functioning okay - no warning that they have closed down.

I wonder willl it still process orders from buyers unaware of the closure?

dc99 · 25-01-2020 12:18am

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Would hope with the changes coming to ITAR,we can go back to ordering directly from the US.

Hi, what changes to ITAR are happening?

Brontosaurus · 25-01-2020 1:29am

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Would hope with the changes coming to ITAR,we can go back to ordering directly from the US.

Meaning we can order directly from the US??

That would be amazing.

As for Brownells.ie, I remember them telling me they were working on getting their own warehouse for storage and distribution, including barrels which I was after. Very strange, didn't realize they were a franchise type situation.

Grizzly 45 · 25-01-2020 1:35am

dc99 wrote: »

Hi, what changes to ITAR are happening?

Here's your reading assingement for the weekend on this subject. You'll be having a pop quiz test on this Monday sometime.:pac: https://gununiversity.com/firearms-moved-itar-commerce-ccl/

alanmc · 24-02-2020 12:41am

Is Brownells.ie definitely gone? Website still seems to be fully functional. Has anybody got confirmation of the ability to order from the UK site?

slavetothegrind · 24-02-2020 1:48pm

i ordered stuff from brownells ireland website on 17 feb, i am expecting delivery late this week.

Will let ye know if it arrives, i had ordered a part last year and no issue, part arrived no bother.

Only saw this now so a little bit concerned.....

Cass · 24-02-2020 2:05pm

I'll check with the UK store and confirm again, but the confirmation i got above is from them so i've no reason to believe it's false or misleading in any way.

The Irish site is still up and running, but as i've never ordered i don't know if orders are being taken, processed and filled or simply taken, then cancelled. May even be a case, if it is shut down, of filling existing orders and then shutting down. However we could speculate all day. I'll try to confirm the exact status, but i have to deal through the UK site as any attempt to access the USA site comes up with an immediate GDPR alert, then a redirect to another country.

tudderone · 24-02-2020 3:14pm

Seems normal.

https://www.solocheck.ie/Irish-Company/Brownells-Outdoor-Limited-600236

Cass · 24-02-2020 5:32pm

Quick reply from Brownell's UK. With permission:

Dear Mr Cass

You are correct in that Brownells Ireland are not currently trading. Please accept our apologies for any confusion as the website remains live.

We are working to put a process in place in order for Irish Customers to be able to place orders through Brownells UK. We hope to have a process in place shortly.

As soon as we have finalised arrangements there will be a redirect from Brownells Ireland to our site.

I am sorry not to be able to give you firm dates.

I hope this helps.

Kind Regards
Victoria Mair
Brownells UK Ltd

Internet Sales: 01788 815115
Retail Shop: 01788 435072

So there ya have it.

Anyone with current orders should contact Brownell's UK directly and confirm if their order is being honored. That is my opinion and not an official response from Brownell's.

I'm not sure what that means for any orders currently or recently done via Brownell's Ireland site. As in will they be filled by Brownell's UK? I don't know and did not think to ask. I will write back now and ask. Orders will be done via UK in the future but i've no idea what happens until then.

Anyone intending on ordering should just go direct to the UK site and use parcel motel until such a time as the arrangements for re-direction are in place.

Cass · 24-02-2020 6:02pm

Quicker update, again with permission:

Dear Cass

Brownells Europe are in discussions with the manager of Brownells Ireland and we are not fully party to this.

To the best of my knowledge any orders that are being placed via Brownells Ireland will be cancelled and refunds given where applicable. We have some Irish Customers who have placed orders through us using the freight forwarder Parcel Motel. I appreciate that this is not ideal, but will work as a temporary solution as we do not currently have an export licence to ship outside the UK.

We are more than happy to keep you up to date.

Kind Regards
Victoria Mair
Brownells UK Ltd

Internet Sales: 01788 815115
Retail Shop: 01788 435072

alanmc · 24-02-2020 6:18pm

Thanks Cass. Pretty much answers all queries. Much obliged.

Grizzly 45 · 24-02-2020 6:59pm

I've also emailed Brownells Germany to see what the story is with them handling orders to Ireland if possible.It would at least save on having to pay STG prices and shipping to NI with parcel motel.

Cass · 24-02-2020 8:15pm

I emailed Germany about three weeks ago, but never got a reply. I'd imagine that is my fault, spam folder might have picked it up and deleted it.

Brontosaurus · 25-02-2020 5:00pm

When ordering from the UK, is there some sort of import license you have to fill out or is it just a matter of proving to them you have a firearms license? Esp/ regarding barrels, receivers etc.

And I wonder how Brexit will affect this?

tudderone · 25-02-2020 5:43pm

Brontosaurus wrote: »

When ordering from the UK, is there some sort of import license you have to fill out or is it just a matter of proving to them you have a firearms license? Esp/ regarding barrels, receivers etc.

And I wonder how Brexit will affect this?

I would imagine so, there was a lad on here a while ago who had a wooden stock held up by customs until he could show he was entitled to own it :rolleyes:.

Cass · 25-02-2020 6:11pm

Firearm parts, as in component parts, may be an issue. These require licenses by the end user, and so to declare its Eire may cause problems.

Accessories not so as they require no license to own so using parcel motel, address pal, etc. would not require any import license or other authorisations.

Brontosaurus · 25-02-2020 6:50pm

That's a shame, so no firearm parts whatsoever, not even screws...

I guess I'll have to wait till Brownells UK sorts something out.

Cass · 25-02-2020 7:35pm

Brontosaurus wrote: »

That's a shame, so no firearm parts whatsoever, not even screws...

Let me be more specific.

I don't work for Brownells so i don't know. Its why i said above to ring them or contact them yourself about any current or future orders.

Component parts for me are actions, barrels, triggers, bolts, etc. IOW the things that make your boomstick go boom.

Screws, scopes, rails, rings, apparel, kit, cleaning stuff, etc. are not required to have a license either here or in the UK and as such no license is required when buying hene they can be shipped via AddressPal or Parcel Motel without any fear of them being stopped.

As the UK shop doesn't have an export license to Eire then it cannot send such component parts to Eire and with the production of an import license on your end and the production of your Irish license any "pretence" of shipping to Northern Ireland , and no further, would be gone. The issue wouldn't be shipping to NI, btw, the problems arise when its moved from there down South.

However accessories and non component parts that require no license can be shipped as no imports, authorisations or licenses are required.

I guess I'll have to wait till Brownells UK sorts something out.

Would have been simpler to have Brownells Ireland but alas we cannot always have what we want. At least the UK is giving out information, updates and trying to work with people from the South.

I cannot see another Brownells Ireland opening up and hope its a case of the UK getting the export authorisation, or any Brownells EU shop, so we can order direct and stop all this "subtle", yet legal, subterfuge.

Grizzly 45 · 26-02-2020 2:38pm

Had a look at the DOJ website on importation from EU countries, there is NOWT about importing parts from another EU country...
Seeing that Britan is now departing the EU,this might be of revelance,as you would be importing from a non EU member country in the future, so I would hazard a gusee,continue as normal with dealing with the UK as presen until we are told otherwise
.As for the import permit,according to the DOJ...You already have that in the privilidge of holding the liscense for that particular gun.
If there is problems with it it will be UK national firearms laws that are causing it.

slavetothegrind · 26-02-2020 5:47pm

Just got an email from brownells ireland cancelling the order i made 9 days ago on the website, no reason given.
Emailed brownells ireland and got a redirect to Norweigan site.
Phone number of brownells ireland not picking up today.

Not happy with that BS. to be honest

zeissman · 26-02-2020 6:39pm

I placed an order a few weeks ago. Then I read this thread and emailed brownells ireland but never got a reply. I cancelled the order and ordered elsewhere.
Glad I did now.

Grizzly 45 · 26-02-2020 6:40pm

Hope your Noreweigan is good...As the translator is utter shte on that page.Stocks and fore ends is "parts for sticks and tarts" according to the English version of that site...:pac::pac::pac::pac:

slavetothegrind · 26-02-2020 8:39pm

Amateur hour from brownells, really is......pity.

Grizzly 45 · 12-03-2020 9:05pm

Finally they got back to me,and I pointed out the situation in Ireland with UK shipping and this jiggy pokey to NI and into the ROI.Not to mind Euro/Stg conversion rates

So it seems according to Germany.... You can order parts off them ,that cannot be supplied by the UK,from their 3 sentence answer to me on this question.

So...To be continued. So lets try ordering a few bits from Germany and lets see what happens?

tudderone · 12-03-2020 10:55pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Finally they got back to me,and I pointed out the situation in Ireland with UK shipping and this jiggy pokey to NI and into the ROI.Not to mind Euro/Stg conversion rates

So it seems according to Germany.... You can order parts off them ,that cannot be supplied by the UK,from their 3 sentence answer to me on this question.

So...To be continued. So lets try ordering a few bits from Germany and lets see what happens?

I tried Brownells in Germany and a company called Recknagel who make some really nice bits for rifles, also in Germany, and neither wanted anything to do with selling bits to Ireland. I wonder have they changed their tune ?

slavetothegrind · 13-03-2020 1:15pm

just on the german site attempting an order, once you get to shipping address Ireland is not an option.

Grizzly 45 · 13-03-2020 3:01pm

Doubt they have changed anything that quick...Although I am getting the feeling Germany is a one man band operation as well.:(

Grizzly 45 · 13-03-2020 5:28pm

Ok news back from Brownells Germany.
After offering me a dealership account,:eek:
I got this back.

They will set up an account for me personally,
Send them contact details, phone,email etc.
Put in the parts numbers that you want.
Got to PAY IN ADVANCE for parts tho,they cant do credit card or online orderings for us here. Need an IBAN number off them

Soo.
This means folks,you will have to contact Brownells Germany yourselves and arrange an account and give them your parts order numbers and pay by bank transfer.
Also,dont think you can order all the stuff either.

If you see on the German website "erwerbschein or "EWB" Firearms liscense required or "verkauf nuer an Buschenmacher"Only for sale to a gunsmith*
Dont bother ordering until I/we figure out how that one will work with German gun laws.
So it looks like we havea toehold in alternatives.

*Certain work on a firearm in Germany can only be carried out by a qualified gunsmith.Rule of thumb anything that makes metal shavings,drilling,or heating or with pressure bearing parts,or now with EU legislation uppers or possibly lowers too that need to be marked by a gunsmith

Brontosaurus · 13-03-2020 7:44pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Ok news back from Brownells Germany.
After offering me a dealership account,:eek:
I got this back.

They will set up an account for me personally,
Send them contact details, phone,email etc.
Put in the parts numbers that you want.
Got to PAY IN ADVANCE for parts tho,they cant do credit card or online orderings for us here. Need an IBAN number off them

Soo.
This means folks,you will have to contact Brownells Germany yourselves and arrange an account and give them your parts order numbers and pay by bank transfer.
Also,dont think you can order all the stuff either.

If you see on the German website "erwerbschein or "EWB" Firearms liscense required or "verkauf nuer an Buschenmacher"Only for sale to a gunsmith*
Dont bother ordering until I/we figure out how that one will work with German gun laws.
So it looks like we havea toehold in alternatives.

*Certain work on a firearm in Germany can only be carried out by a qualified gunsmith.Rule of thumb anything that makes metal shavings,drilling,or heating or with pressure bearing parts,or now with EU legislation uppers or possibly lowers too that need to be marked by a gunsmith

Become a dealer and take orders from us, make a nice bit of profit and save us all hassle

Cass · 13-03-2020 8:58pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

This means folks,you will have to contact Brownells Germany yourselves and arrange an account and give them your parts order numbers and pay by bank transfer.
Also,dont think you can order all the stuff either.

If you see on the German website "erwerbschein or "EWB" Firearms liscense required or "verkauf nuer an Buschenmacher"Only for sale to a gunsmith*
Dont bother ordering until I/we figure out how that one will work with German gun laws.
So it looks like we havea toehold in alternatives.

Seems much more complicated. Would ordering from the UK via parcel motel or addresspal not be easier and less complicated.

What is the price comparison between the German site and the UK for the exact same parts? IOW is the saving so great that going through the German site is worth it?

dc99 · 13-03-2020 10:52pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Ok news back from Brownells Germany.
After offering me a dealership account,:eek:
I got this back.

They will set up an account for me personally,
Send them contact details, phone,email etc.
Put in the parts numbers that you want.
Got to PAY IN ADVANCE for parts tho,they cant do credit card or online orderings for us here. Need an IBAN number off them

Soo.
This means folks,you will have to contact Brownells Germany yourselves and arrange an account and give them your parts order numbers and pay by bank transfer.
Also,dont think you can order all the stuff either.

If you see on the German website "erwerbschein or "EWB" Firearms liscense required or "verkauf nuer an Buschenmacher"Only for sale to a gunsmith*
Dont bother ordering until I/we figure out how that one will work with German gun laws.
So it looks like we havea toehold in alternatives.

*Certain work on a firearm in Germany can only be carried out by a qualified gunsmith.Rule of thumb anything that makes metal shavings,drilling,or heating or with pressure bearing parts,or now with EU legislation uppers or possibly lowers too that need to be marked by a gunsmith

I’ve ordered from Triebel and they needed the same payment funny stuff. I had to give them my credit card info split between two emails (they didn’t seem to have the facility to use a world pay thingy. I think the same with a separate one. I had to transfer money to their IBAn and then they shipped.... not very trustworthy. Are our fellow Europeans (lol) but great customer service..very good at responding to coms.

Cass · 13-03-2020 11:37pm

dc99 wrote: »

I had to transfer money to their IBAn and then they shipped.... not very trustworthy. Are our fellow Europeans (lol) but great customer service..very good at responding to coms.

Must be a "European" thing. I had to do this for the grips i bought from Hogue. Same when i bought a tuning kit for my jeep a few years back. Its odd they don't accept or use debit/credit cards.

tonysopprano · 13-03-2020 11:59pm

Was in Holland recently and many bars/restaurants would not accept foreign debit or credit cards.

dc99 · 14-03-2020 12:09am

LOL I spnt about an hour on a Sunday in Italy, trying to find an open fuel station to fill the tank of a hire car up before i returned it...none of the unmanned ones would take a forign credit card... nearly missed the flight home over it...

tudderone · 14-03-2020 1:09am

What about paypal ? I have bought allsorts with it over the years, from America and the UK, never from Europe. Its simple and you have a bit of protection if it all goes smelly.

Grizzly 45 · 14-03-2020 2:29pm

tudderone wrote: »

What about paypal ? I have bought allsorts with it over the years, from America and the UK, never from Europe. Its simple and you have a bit of protection if it all goes smelly.

Paypal is anti gun ownership as a policy.So if they wanted to be cnutty about it they could refuse your payment for firearms and components.They also will not accept any commercial firearms busisness.

I’ve ordered from Triebel and they needed the same payment funny stuff. I had to give them my credit card info split between two emails (they didn’t seem to have the facility to use a world pay thingy. I think the same with a separate one. I had to transfer money to their IBAn and then they shipped.... not very trustworthy. Are our fellow Europeans (lol) but great customer service..very good at responding to coms.

Iv'e talked f2f with Katja Triebel about this. Its simply busisness and not being japped by the credit card companies or by credit card fraud.Notably from certain Southern and Eastern countries fraudsters.

Seems much more complicated. Would ordering from the UK via parcel motel or addresspal not be easier and less complicated.

What is the price comparison between the German site and the UK for the exact same parts? IOW is the saving so great that going through the German site is worth it?

It would depend more on shipping costs than the parts prices and parts availability under UK law for certain guns,and for how long that loophole of NI stays open post Brexit.As well as STG/Euro exchange.

But for shts&giggles I di a comparison on an 8 shot Mossberg shotgun tube
Brownells UK £61.15 [69.90 euro] Brownells Germany 69.90 euro

Availability. Brownells UK US ITAR item,so proably alot of problems and wont ship to ship to IRL direct. So NI route

Brownells Germany ITAR as well but will ship direct[more than likely as untried yet] As Ireland is an end user cert country,and by non cc purchase you have an established paper trail to follow.

IOW you arent saving on the parts themselves as the prices seem to be the same in Europe. Delivery time seems to be the same too from the US.
So it is really down to shipping prices and who will give you the less hassle in your purchase.
Considering our history with the UK,I'm kind of not surprised they look askence at anything firearms related being sold to Ireland.:P

Become a dealer and take orders from us, make a nice bit of profit and save us all hassle

Love to.But going by the paperwork they sent ,you need to be an established registerd gunsmith/dealer,and that I ain't or have any intent in becoming.

Grizzly 45 · 14-03-2020 2:44pm

dc99 wrote: »

LOL I spnt about an hour on a Sunday in Italy, trying to find an open fuel station to fill the tank of a hire car up before i returned it...none of the unmanned ones would take a forign credit card... nearly missed the flight home over it...

LOL ,that brings back memories...But go to any street newpaper seller or tobacconist with a 500 or any big denomination Euro note,and they will break it for a pack of cigs or the paper no problem!:eek::D

Best lot are the money changers and bauble sellers outside the Almighty's HQ on Earth. [AKA The Vatican] Think his son might be a bit cross,when he gets back and see the state of his dads house,going by the last time he had to clean it up .

Unlike OUR banks which almost go into meltdown on the sight of such being presented,and insist it is lodged in your account,with an utterly ILLEGAL handling fee to break it into smaller denominations:mad:

tudderone · 14-03-2020 8:51pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Love to.But going by the paperwork they sent ,you need to be an established registerd gunsmith/dealer,and that I ain't or have any intent in becoming.

Therein lies the rub. I have known guys before getting into gun dealing and its not worth the trouble unless its in a serious way. I could imagine you would have a pain in your rump with chasing up orders, stuff being unavailable, lads getting pissy because its three months since they placed their order, all the carp you get when dealing with the public.

Grizzly 45 · 14-03-2020 9:17pm

Thats not even before you have invested ridiculous amounts of time and money in dealing with the Dept of justice,the AGS,and your local council,to get each of them into the same hymn book,not to mind onto the same page and song! Before you even lay one cement block and trowel of cement its a FPITH that costs money.Only way I could see it being easy is buying some old guy out and his busisness when he retires and you tsake over.Starting fresh... No thanks.

tudderone · 14-03-2020 9:24pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Thats not even before you have invested ridiculous amounts of time and money in dealing with the Dept of justice,the AGS,and your local council,to get each of them into the same hymn book,not to mind onto the same page and song! Before you even lay one cement block and trowel of cement its a FPITH that costs money.Only way I could see it being easy is buying some old guy out and his busisness when he retires and you tsake over.Starting fresh... No thanks.

100%, plus at the end of it all, you'd earn more running a cafe on the corner, selling coffee and slices of cake. I wonder what the market would be for gun spares here ? 5% of sfa i would think.

Cass · 16-03-2020 11:13am

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

But for shts&giggles I di a comparison on an 8 shot Mossberg shotgun tube
Brownells UK £61.15 [69.90 euro] Brownells Germany 69.90 euro

When i was looking for grips for my pistol (Hogue) the Irish ste had them listed for €25 which is 50% cheaper than from Hogue direct and the same ones in the UK were £39.95 so a good saving.

Availability. Brownells UK US ITAR item,so proably alot of problems and wont ship to ship to IRL direct. So NI route

Unless the saving was huge then the German route is more troublesome, imo. With the UK site you just order using your own debit/credit card and either parcel motel/addresspal and away you go. No need for banks, IBAN, etc.

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