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Update - Lawn ruined by cattle

  • 16-10-2019 5:31pm
    #1
    Ginger83
    Registered Users Posts: 3,544 ✭✭✭


    As it has now been 6 weeks since the damage with all correspondence ignored legal proceedings have now commenced.

    A pity for him, will post the result when awarded.


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  • #2
    Ginger83
    Registered Users Posts: 3,544 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    So as the farmer has not engaged with the court it has been found in our favour.


  • #3
    JJJackal
    Registered Users Posts: 1,016 ✭✭✭JJJackal


    Did ye get compensated?


  • #4
    Ginger83
    Registered Users Posts: 3,544 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    JJJackal wrote: »
    Did ye get compensated?

    Not yet, there is a judgement being made and sheriff will collect


  • #5
    Butcher Boy
    Registered Users Posts: 573 ✭✭✭Butcher Boy


    Ginger83 wrote: »
    So as the farmer has not engaged with the court it has been found in our favour.

    How did ye get it to court so fast?


  • #6
    Ginger83
    Registered Users Posts: 3,544 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    Butcher Boy wrote: »
    How did ye get it to court so fast?

    Small claims court


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  • #7
    jimini0
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭jimini0


    Well im glad ye are gettingd sorted. A bit silly of the farmer to let it go that far. Sound like an ignorant man. Do you mind telling us how much he will have to pay? If you don't want to say that's fine.


  • #8
    Ginger83
    Registered Users Posts: 3,544 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    jimini0 wrote: »
    Well im glad ye are gettingd sorted. A bit silly of the farmer to let it go that far. Sound like an ignorant man. Do you mind telling us how much he will have to pay? If you don't want to say that's fine.

    Yea and now his credit rating affected

    He has to pay yet :)

    Total cost 1150ish


  • #9
    JJJackal
    Registered Users Posts: 1,016 ✭✭✭JJJackal


    Is it hard to get the money i wonder? Once the court awards it


  • #10
    Ginger83
    Registered Users Posts: 3,544 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    JJJackal wrote: »
    Is it hard to get the money i wonder? Once the court awards it

    Well the sheriff will go to his home which is a farm to recover money or remove goods.

    I also have someone keeping tabs on the livestock


  • #11
    Markcheese
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,576 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Ginger83 wrote: »
    Well the sheriff will go to his home which is a farm to recover money or remove goods.

    I also have someone keeping tabs on the livestock

    Is the sheriff costs at your expense..?

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



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  • #12
    _Brian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,618 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Markcheese wrote: »
    Is the sheriff costs at your expense..?

    No it will be added to his bill.


  • #13
    JeffKenna
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,573 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    _Brian wrote: »
    No it will be added to his bill.

    I thought the small claims court couldn't enforce its rulings?


  • #14
    _Brian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,618 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    JeffKenna wrote: »
    I thought the small claims court couldn't enforce its rulings?

    Not commenting on that as I don’t know.

    But Sherriff recovery costs are added to the initial award at time of recovery.


  • #15
    Rows Grower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,366 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    JeffKenna wrote: »
    I thought the small claims court couldn't enforce its rulings?

    You thought wrong.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • #16
    JeffKenna
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,573 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    Rows Grower wrote: »
    You thought wrong.

    You thought wrong


  • #17
    Ginger83
    Registered Users Posts: 3,544 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    JeffKenna wrote: »
    I thought the small claims court couldn't enforce its rulings?

    Its new to me but i'm enjoying learning about the process.


  • #18
    Ginger83
    Registered Users Posts: 3,544 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    JeffKenna wrote: »
    You thought wrong

    ?


  • #19
    Jb1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,509 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    JeffKenna wrote: »
    You thought wrong

    ?


  • #20
    whippet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,703 ✭✭✭whippet


    in my non legal knowledge - when you win a judgment in the SCC you can then engage with the sheriff yourself to enforce the judgment


  • #21
    Ginger83
    Registered Users Posts: 3,544 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    whippet wrote: »
    in my non legal knowledge - when you win a judgment in the SCC you can then engage with the sheriff yourself to enforce the judgment

    Thats what I thought too.


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  • #22
    atlantic mist
    Registered Users Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭atlantic mist


    can you pay the sheriff with animals?
    not a nice crowd to deal with he would have been better settling or paying after court


  • #23
    Squiggle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭Squiggle


    Ginger83 wrote: »
    Yea and now his credit rating affected

    He has to pay yet :)

    Total cost 1150ish

    How will his credit rating be affected?


  • #24
    JJJackal
    Registered Users Posts: 1,016 ✭✭✭JJJackal


    how much does the sheriff cost?


  • #25
    Ginger83
    Registered Users Posts: 3,544 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    atlantic mist wrote: »
    can you pay the sheriff with animals?
    not a nice crowd to deal with he would have been better settling or paying after court

    Anything of value.


  • #26
    Ginger83
    Registered Users Posts: 3,544 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    Squiggle wrote: »

    How will his credit rating be affected?

    There will be a judgement against him.


  • #27
    Ginger83
    Registered Users Posts: 3,544 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    JJJackal wrote: »
    how much does the sheriff cost?

    I am not sure.


  • #28
    ganmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭ganmo


    Ginger83 wrote: »
    I am not sure.

    I think there's a fee+ a % of the judgement.


  • #29
    Ginger83
    Registered Users Posts: 3,544 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    ganmo wrote: »
    I think there's a fee+ a % of the judgement.

    Thanks i didn't know that.


  • #30
    Base price
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,351 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    ganmo wrote: »
    I think there's a fee+ a % of the judgement.
    5% up to the first €5,500 and 2.5% on the rest according to this link. Dublin and Cork are the only counties with Sheriffs the others have county Registrars.
    https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/money_and_tax/personal_finance/debt/enforcement_of_judgments.html


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  • #31
    _Brian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,618 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Base price wrote: »
    5% up to the first €5,500 and 2.5% on the rest according to this link. Dublin and Cork are the only counties with Sheriffs the others have county Registrars.
    https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/money_and_tax/personal_finance/debt/enforcement_of_judgments.html

    That must be recent change.
    Wasn’t it the Cavan or Longford Sherriff that was shot a few years back collecting a debt ??


  • #32
    Base price
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,351 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    _Brian wrote: »
    That must be recent change.
    Wasn’t it the Cavan or Longford Sherriff that was shot a few years back collecting a debt ??
    There are people around the country who are Revenue Sheriffs but they only work on behalf of the Collector General - collecting outstanding taxes etc.


  • #33
    bmc58
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,000 ✭✭✭bmc58


    Ginger83 wrote: »
    Well the sheriff will go to his home which is a farm to recover money or remove goods.

    I also have someone keeping tabs on the livestock

    Farmer sounds like a tough boyo.What will you do if the sheriff brings you an old rusty tractor and 50 bales of wrapped silage?


  • #34
    pablo128
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,219 ✭✭✭pablo128


    bmc58 wrote: »
    Farmer sounds like a tough boyo.What will you do if the sheriff brings you an old rusty tractor and 50 bales of wrapped silage?

    Sell them for a fiver, and then send the sheriff back to seize more goods until the outstanding amount is paid.


  • #35
    Ginger83
    Registered Users Posts: 3,544 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    bmc58 wrote: »
    Farmer sounds like a tough boyo.What will you do if the sheriff brings you an old rusty tractor and 50 bales of wrapped silage?

    They sell it at auction.


  • #36
    Ginger83
    Registered Users Posts: 3,544 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    pablo128 wrote: »
    Sell them for a fiver, and then send the sheriff back to seize more goods until the outstanding amount is paid.

    Exactly, sherriff does not care what they sell for.


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  • #37
    Ginger83
    Registered Users Posts: 3,544 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    So judgement has been marked by the judge early Dec and the farmer was given 14 days to pay the court in full.

    Just had a relation of the land owner up to see if we could come to an agreement....don't see what it has to do with him, result has been awarded.


  • #38
    _Brian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,618 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Ginger83 wrote: »
    So judgement has been marked by the judge early Dec and the farmer was given 14 days to pay the court in full.

    Just had a relation of the land owner up to see if we could come to an agreement....don't see what it has to do with him, result has been awarded.
    The idiot farmer is probably embarressed and asked this person to approach you..


    Surely it can be settled by him paying the full amount now ??


  • #39
    Ginger83
    Registered Users Posts: 3,544 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    _Brian wrote: »
    The idiot farmer is probably embarressed and asked this person to approach you..


    Surely it can be settled by him paying the full amount now ??

    Well he offered to roll it :D


  • #40
    Odelay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,891 ✭✭✭Odelay


    Ginger83 wrote: »
    So judgement has been marked by the judge early Dec and the farmer was given 14 days to pay the court in full.

    Just had a relation of the land owner up to see if we could come to an agreement....don't see what it has to do with him, result has been awarded.



    He had all the chances to come up with an agreement or challenge in court. This is all his doing and no one else’s. I wouldn’t engage with them.


  • #41
    Ginger83
    Registered Users Posts: 3,544 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    Odelay wrote: »
    He had all the chances to come up with an agreement or challenge in court. This is all his doing and no one else’s. I wouldn’t engage with them.

    Horse is gone


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  • #42
    Snowfire
    Registered Users Posts: 352 ✭✭Snowfire


    Ginger83 wrote: »
    Horse is gone

    To France..?


  • #43
    maidhc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,668 ✭✭✭maidhc


    Ginger83 wrote: »
    So judgement has been marked by the judge early Dec and the farmer was given 14 days to pay the court in full.

    Just had a relation of the land owner up to see if we could come to an agreement....don't see what it has to do with him, result has been awarded.


    Having a court order and money in your account are not the same thing.


  • #44
    djmc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭djmc


    Having the sheriff involved the money will be collected and the longer it drags on the more it will cost the farmer in this case are sheriff recovery and legal costs will be added on. They can and will take and sell his house and farm if they had to and will recover debt one way or another
    Like the program cant pay we will take it away a lot thought they could get away without paying there debt as well


  • #45
    maidhc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,668 ✭✭✭maidhc


    djmc wrote: »
    Having the sheriff involved the money will be collected and the longer it drags on the more it will cost the farmer in this case are sheriff recovery and legal costs will be added on. They can and will take and sell his house and farm if they had to and will recover debt one way or another
    Like the program cant pay we will take it away a lot thought they could get away without paying there debt as well

    In this country if you don't want to pay you don't really have to.


  • #46
    endainoz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,138 ✭✭✭endainoz


    Ginger83 wrote:
    Well he offered to roll it


    Pity that wasn't offered originally. Did you you not say that wasn't an option originally? I'm assuming you have already paid someone to fix this lawn so it a bit late for rolling anyways?


  • #47
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,968 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    maidhc wrote: »
    In this country if you don't want to pay you don't really have to.

    That is only if you have nothing. Sheriff will collect. This is why OP has been approached but it too late. If they fail to pay sheriff he will take whatever he need to settle account. Cattle, Machinery, cars, TV's, baled silage. As well all costs to to with collection will be added to bill.

    A 15k tractor could be taken and sold for 5-6k and it might just cover compensation for lawn and costs incurred by sheriff

    Slava Ukrainii



  • #48
    _Brian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,618 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    The whole debacle is a lesson on how not to treat your neighbors or anything in life really.

    If there is a problem, deal with it, as they say in the marines, “bad news doesn’t get better with age”


  • #49
    Rows Grower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,366 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    maidhc wrote: »
    In this country if you don't want to pay you don't really have to.

    I don't know what country you're in but it don't work like that in Ireland thanks be to God.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • #50
    Ginger83
    Registered Users Posts: 3,544 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    endainoz wrote: »
    Pity that wasn't offered originally. Did you you not say that wasn't an option originally? I'm assuming you have already paid someone to fix this lawn so it a bit late for rolling anyways?

    No the lawn has lay unusable ever since, grass is a foot high.


  • #51
    Ginger83
    Registered Users Posts: 3,544 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    maidhc wrote: »
    Having a court order and money in your account are not the same thing.

    I think the farmer is about to be reminded of that song- I fought the law and....


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