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Woman convicted for false rape allegation against 12 men in Cyprus (Overturned in Jan22)

  • 28-07-2019 2:38pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,844 ✭✭✭py2006


    British woman who accused 12 Israeli teens of gang-raping her in Cyprus is ARRESTED for 'making false allegations' and ALL the men who were arrested over the 'attack' are released.

    What an awful thing to do. Mud sticks.
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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,835 ✭✭✭dennyire


    In before Berties Horse


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,413 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    And this is why the accused should never be identified prior to a verdict being made. Those men were marched infront of the media, reputations potentially destroyed. She should get 5 years in jail.


  • Registered Users Posts: 842 ✭✭✭Hego Damask


    Throw the book at the lying slut


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    The newspaper quoted in the OP shows the photo of some of the guys yet no photo of her.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    And this is why the accused should never be identified prior to a verdict being made.
    Dead right.
    She should get 5 years in jail.
    What!!! Aren't you just calling for a sentence prior to a verdict bring made?


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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    False rape allegations - by both women and men - are absolutely horrific. Even if the accused are found innocent in a court of law, reputations and lives can be, and are, destroyed.

    Anyone convicted of making false rape/sexual assault allegations should face a custodial sentence.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 80,755 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    Mod

    Moving to CA


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Police sources said the woman is suspected of filing a false complaint against the Israelis because they filmed her during the sex acts without her permission.

    They are not exactly snow white.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,716 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    There is nothing worse to a man than getting accused of rape or child abuse. False accusations need to be taken very seriously, without creating a culture where women wont actually make complaints against actual offences.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    ‘The Briton, who has not been named...’

    Seems fair.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,994 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    And this is why the accused should never be identified prior to a verdict being made. Those men were marched infront of the media, reputations potentially destroyed. She should get 5 years in jail.

    Should get 5 years for each false allegation...so that's 60 years in total. Would send out a strong message


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    They are not exactly snow white.

    Why? What did they do?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Why? What did they do?


    They filmed it without her consent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    ‘The Briton, who has not been named...’

    Seems fair.

    were the lads named?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    What is it that makes some women be alright to consent to a sex act with multiple men except if somebody finds out then claim rape to save face.

    seems very similar to the paddy jackson case.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    seems very similar to the paddy jackson case.


    Must be a different paddy Jackson case that I read about. The one in Ireland didn't have any false allegations. There was never any suggestion that she made it up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,552 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    They filmed it without her consent.

    It either was filmed or it wasn't.

    Considering she claimed they filmed it while all 12 raped her or helped the others to, I'd say it's a good chance it didn't happen.

    That or it did, and in which case said video probably helped them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Varik wrote: »
    It either was filmed or it wasn't.

    Considering she claimed they filmed it while all 12 raped her or helped the others to, I'd say it's a good chance it didn't happen.

    That or it did, and in which case said video probably helped them.


    It was filmed.

    She wasn't raped.

    But she didn't agree or consent to be filmed naked or performing sexual acts. She was unaware of the camera. They didn't tell her.

    Thus they are hardly snow white.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Varik wrote:
    Considering she claimed they filmed it while all 12 raped her or helped the others to, I'd say it's a good chance it didn't happen.


    I agree.
    It seems that DNA went against her claims. This suggests to me that it didn't happen & wasn't recorded


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    They filmed it without her consent.

    She says they filmed it without her consent.
    She also says they raped her.
    Why would anyone believe anything she says?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    It was filmed.

    She wasn't raped.

    But she didn't agree or consent to be filmed naked or performing sexual acts. She was unaware of the camera. They didn't tell her.

    Thus they are hardly snow white.

    How do you know that she didn’t consent or she wasn’t aware of the camera?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    splinter65 wrote: »
    She says they filmed it without her consent.
    She also says they raped her.
    Why would anyone believe anything she says?
    They admit to filming it without her consent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    They admit to filming it without her consent.
    Which is tosser territory but not the alleged crime.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    They admit to filming it without her consent.

    So what? No. I’m being serious. She agreed to group sex and then, instead of going to the Data Protection commissioner to make her complaint about a breach of privacy or whatever, she decides to allege that she was raped instead? Are you defending that?


  • Registered Users Posts: 582 ✭✭✭Hobosan


    They were covering their asses by filming the orgy.


  • Site Banned Posts: 297 ✭✭NKante


    Didn't similar happen to some Irish lads a few years ago? falsely accused if I recall.

    I would say in this case, thank god they did film the act, otherwise without that evidence they'd be banged up.

    Worth noting that there was glee in some quarters that these were Israelis. News spread like wildfire initially with the usual suspects trying to squeeze maximum propaganda out of this.

    I suspected it was bull**** from the start because it's not a very 'Israeli' thing to do. Especially a group of 12 boys. Unheard of really.

    There are certain news stories that just don't ring true and this was one. It's like if there was a news report that 10 Irish lads mugged an 80 year old French woman in Paris whilst on holiday. I'd be like....really? that doesn't sound like the lads. Suspicious.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭Ronin247


    They filmed it without her consent.


    One of them proved he wasn't even there.... but don't let the truth get in the way.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭The Specialist


    Disgusting but not unexpected - this is the era of metoo and “I believe her” after all. She should get the same sentence as a rapist times 12.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    were the lads named?

    Some were named, yes. Go looking, you will find them. Irrelevant, regardless.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    Must be a different paddy Jackson case that I read about. The one in Ireland didn't have any false allegations. There was never any suggestion that she made it up.

    But the accused were found not guilty, so as far as the court was concerned it wasn’t proven that the alleged incident actually occurred.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭The Specialist


    But the accused were found not guilty, so as far as the court was concerned it wasn’t proven that the alleged incident actually occurred.

    Some people here have a hard time wrapping their tiny brains around a “not guilty” verdict - you can spot them a mile off how they talk about Jackson now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Ronin247 wrote: »
    One of them proved he wasn't even there.... but don't let the truth get in the way.
    There is a video of it i am not surprised he could prove it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,304 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    They are not exactly snow white.
    One of the lads was in bed with his girlfriend at the time of the said "rape".

    Who said that they had filmed her? Was it her?


  • Site Banned Posts: 297 ✭✭NKante


    the_syco wrote: »
    One of the lads was in bed with his girlfriend at the time of the said "rape".

    Who said that they had filmed her? Was it her?

    Reading between the lines, it seems she was a bit promiscuous on holiday. She didn't want her parents knowing she was somewhat of a slut riding 3 men and worried about the photos/vids leaking.

    So decided to make a false rape claim. She was apparently encouraged to make the claim by a friend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    But the accused were found not guilty, so as far as the court was concerned it wasn’t proven that the alleged incident actually occurred.

    If the DPP believes that she lied & brought false allegations then they would have charged her. In the Jackson case everyone was so drunk that none of their stories tallied. The jury had reasonable doubt.

    You do realise that it's entirely possible for the claimant to believe that she didn't give consent & for the defendant to believe that he did have consent. The defendants apologised to the clainant after the case for the misunderstanding.


    In the Jackson case no one, not even the defendants, has ever suggested that she lied.

    In the case for this thread the girl lied about everything. One of guys she accused was in bed with his girlfriend at the time. Luckily for him they took a time stamped selfy while in bed.

    These cases have absolutely nothing in common


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    If the DPP believes that she lied & brought false allegations then they would have charged her. In the Jackson case everyone was so drunk that none of their stories tallied. The jury had reasonable doubt.

    You do realise that it's entirely possible for the claimant to believe that she didn't give consent & for the defendant to believe that he did have consent. The defendants apologised to the clainant after the case for the misunderstanding.


    In the Jackson case no one, not even the defendants, has ever suggested that she lied.

    In the case for this thread the girl lied about everything. One of guys she accused was in bed with his girlfriend at the time. Luckily for him they took a time stamped selfy while in bed.

    These cases have absolutely nothing in common

    No idea why you responded to my post.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭The Specialist


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    If the DPP believes that she lied & brought false allegations then they would have charged her. In the Jackson case everyone was so drunk that none of their stories tallied. The jury had reasonable doubt.

    You do realise that it's entirely possible for the claimant to believe that she didn't give consent & for the defendant to believe that he did have consent. The defendants apologised to the clainant after the case for the misunderstanding.


    In the Jackson case no one, not even the defendants, has ever suggested that she lied.

    In the case for this thread the girl lied about everything. One of guys she accused was in bed with his girlfriend at the time. Luckily for him they took a time stamped selfy while in bed.

    These cases have absolutely nothing in common

    A lie is a lie and one that has been decided as not guilty in front of a judge and jury is a ****ing lie. Stop your “what if” bull****.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    No idea why you responded to my post.




    My Comment
    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    Must be a different paddy Jackson case that I read about. The one in Ireland didn't have any false allegations. There was never any suggestion that she made it up.


    Your reply
    But the accused were found not guilty, so as far as the court was concerned it wasn’t proven that the alleged incident actually occurred.


    I responded because one case has nothing to do with the other. There are no similarities between the cases at all


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    My Comment



    Your reply




    I responded because one case has nothing to do with the other. There are no similarities between the cases at all

    Fair enough. The allegations weren’t proven, so they could be deemed to have been false. Whether she lied or misremembered or imagined or whatever, the incident didn’t happen as she claimed it did.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭Sham Squire


    Amazing how rarely this happens but how passionate some men get when it does. I'm very wary of men who throw the word "slut" around with glee at any opportunity. Fact is, if you're actually sensitive to injustice, the amount of rape and sexual abuse done by men to women that doesn't even get to court should have your head exploding. Funny that...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Amazing how rarely this happens but how passionate some men get when it does. I'm very wary of men who throw the word "slut" around with glee at any opportunity. Fact is, if you're actually sensitive to injustice, the amount of rape and sexual abuse done by men to women that doesn't even get to court should have your head exploding. Funny that...

    you should be even more outraged at the false claims since theyve led to that scenario.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭The Specialist


    Amazing how rarely this happens but how passionate some men get when it does. I'm very wary of men who throw the word "slut" around with glee at any opportunity. Fact is, if you're actually sensitive to injustice, the amount of rape and sexual abuse done by men to women that doesn't even get to court should have your head exploding. Funny that...

    This is about false accusations - stop muddying the water and deflecting from it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Fair enough. The allegations weren’t proven, so they could be deemed to have been false. Whether she lied or misremembered or imagined or whatever, the incident didn’t happen as she claimed it did.


    That's not a true statement & that is not what the not guilty verdict means. The jury had reasonable doubt. Everyone had a different story. No two stories matched. The jury had to have reasonable doubt. This does not mean that the claimants testimony was false, a lie or misremembered. The not guilty verdict does not mean that she lied nor does it mean she didn't lie.

    Below is a statement from Paddy Johnson

    “I am ashamed that a young woman who was a visitor to my home left in a distressed state,†he said.

    “This was never my intention and I will always regret the events of that evening.â€


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    That's not a true statement & that is not what the not guilty verdict means. The jury had reasonable doubt. Everyone had a different story. No two stories matched. The jury had to have reasonable doubt. This does not mean that the claimants testimony was false, a lie or misremembered. The not guilty verdict does not mean that she lied nor does it mean she didn't lie.

    Below is a statement from Paddy Johnson

    “I am ashamed that a young woman who was a visitor to my home left in a distressed state,†he said.

    “This was never my intention and I will always regret the events of that evening.â€

    You are misinterpreting and misrepresenting the intent of his apology.

    Ultimately the jury didn’t accept her claims, and they were found not guilty. You can use semantics to claim whatever you want, the incident didn’t occur as she claimed. End of story.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭bloodless_coup


    I'm very wary of men who throw the word "slut" around with glee at any opportunity.

    So getting banged by up to 12 guys at once means she's not a slut?

    Why do women think this kind of degeneracy is acceptable?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,669 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Amazing how rarely this happens but how passionate some men get when it does. I'm very wary of men who throw the word "slut" around with glee at any opportunity. Fact is, if you're actually sensitive to injustice, the amount of rape and sexual abuse done by men to women that doesn't even get to court should have your head exploding. Funny that...

    Well go start a thread about that then.

    You might be whistling a different tune if it happened to yourself, those mens lives could have been ruined.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭hetuzozaho


    the incident didn’t occur as she claimed.

    How could you possibly know this?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    hetuzozaho wrote: »
    How could you possibly know this?

    I accept the jury’s verdict. You clearly don’t.


  • Site Banned Posts: 297 ✭✭NKante


    doylefe wrote: »
    So getting banged by up to 12 guys at once means she's not a slut?

    Why do women think this kind of degeneracy is acceptable?

    Because the left's culture war tells women that it's okay. Be just as degenerate as men.

    One of the reasons why women are increasingly unhappy even in the most free societies, is because they've been sold this lie about not needing any man, not needing marriage or kids. Just go out and shag and be who you want to be.

    So they end up alone in their 30's and 40's destined to become cat ladies and desperately unhappy.

    It goes against basic biology. Women for the most part are meant to be choosy, are meant to marry/pair off and meant to have kids. That's what makes them fulfilled.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 736 ✭✭✭TCM


    hetuzozaho wrote:
    How could you possibly know this?

    Check the online media.


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