Bodley 2013/14

Echecs · 01-12-2013 11:09pm

cdeb wrote: »

Other way around!

Mmm I must admit to being a bit confused here. Kevin, can you tell me again which team you captain this year? Is it the one competing in the Bodley A or in the Bodley B?

Sparks · 01-12-2013 11:12pm

cdeb wrote: »

Other way around!

Oh no it's not! And this has been confusing the poop out of me, because Benildus A is playing in Bodley B, but gets called Bodley A within Benildus; and vice versa

cdeb · 01-12-2013 11:14pm

Sorry - didn't see you sneak the word "Group" in there! So that is correct. Though the A team are in the B group, and are called the Bodley A.

Sparks · 01-12-2013 11:15pm

Yeah, I've had to rewrite my diary twice now to get the dates right because I keep confusing the groups and teams...

Echecs · 01-12-2013 11:16pm

Jeez, it is very confusing. I was inquiring about the team that's playing in the same division with us (Dun Laoghaire) and Wicklow. I need to get in touch with their captain.

mikhail · 02-12-2013 10:48am

I've replied to Tony's email, in case anyone else feels like contacting me. :P

cdeb · 05-12-2013 1:05am

St Benildus B 4-1 Skerries

Denied a whitewash by one moment of madness.

Three pawns up, we swap off the penultimate set of pieces and then find we can't stop a pawn...

cdeb · 07-12-2013 8:46pm

Rathmines 3-2 Curragh A

So it looks like a 3-horse race for promotion as Curragh have lost to both Enniscorthy and Rathmines, though they could maybe cause some damage in their next games - against Wicklow and Dún Laoghaire.

midajoh · 07-12-2013 8:59pm

Drogheda 4 1/2 Naomh Barróg A 1/2

Echecs · 07-12-2013 9:12pm

Bodley Cup B, standings

1 St Benildus A 4 15
2 Curragh A 4 14
3 Wicklow 4 13
4 Rathmines 4 11 ½
5 Dun Laoghaire 3 11
6 Enniscorthy 3 8 ½
7 Phibsboro 3 3 ½
8 Inchicore 3 3
9 Naomh Barróg B 3 3
10 Bray / Greystones 3 2 ½

cdeb · 07-12-2013 9:19pm

And, for the record, group A -

Pos	Team	        MP	GW	GD	GL	Pts
1	Drogheda	4	13	3	4	14 1/2
2	Malahide	4	10	5	5	12 1/2
3	Gonzaga	        3	11	1	3	11 1/2
4	St Benildus B	4	10	1	9	10 1/2
5	Elm Mount	4	8	3	9	9 1/2
6	Curragh B	3	6	4	5	8    
7	Naomh Barr&#243;g A	4	5	4	11	7    
8	Portmarnock	3	6	1	8	6 1/2
9	Skerries	4	5	1	14	5 1/2
10	Blanchardstown	3	3	3	9	4 1/2

mikhail · 08-12-2013 12:15am

7th in group B have less points than last in group A.

midajoh · 08-12-2013 12:36am

Any result on Portmarnock v Curragh B?

L1m1tless · 08-12-2013 1:33am

3-2 for Curragh B

Echecs · 08-12-2013 1:38am

Any result from Naomh Barrog B vs Enniscorthy?

redbrandprj · 08-12-2013 1:48am

Echecs wrote: »

Any result from Naomh Barrog B vs Enniscorthy?

Yes, Enniscorthy won 4-1.

Echecs · 08-12-2013 1:58am

Bodley Cup B, standings

1 St Benildus A 4 15
2 Curragh A 4 14
3 Wicklow 4 13
4 Enniscorthy 4 12 ½
5 Rathmines 4 11 ½
6 Dun Laoghaire 3 11
7 Naomh Barróg B 4 4
8 Phibsboro 3 3 ½
9 Inchicore 3 3
10 Bray / Greystones 3 2 ½

midajoh · 08-12-2013 2:03am

Both groups are very tight at the top end this can swing any way

cdeb · 08-12-2013 12:16pm

Enniscorthy v Wicklow and Dún Laoghaire will be very interesting results. Quite glad we got them first round! Still think they'll fall short of the top 3, but they and Rathmines will definitely have a say in the B group title.

redbrandprj · 08-12-2013 12:39pm

cdeb wrote: »

Enniscorthy v Wicklow and Dún Laoghaire will be very interesting results. Quite glad we got them first round! Still think they'll fall short of the top 3, but they and Rathmines will definitely have a say in the B group title.

Well we are not in it just to have a say. In it to win it !!! Who knows what surprises there may be

cdeb · 08-12-2013 2:01pm

Well absolutely. Don't be worried by my opinion; what ye can do over the board is all that matters!

redbrandprj · 08-12-2013 2:12pm

cdeb wrote: »

Well absolutely. Don't be worried by my opinion; what ye can do over the board is all that matters!

Oh, let me just point out, we are not worried about anybody or their opinions. We will win our games by using chess pieces and not using words !!! Bring it on

redbrandprj · 08-12-2013 4:42pm

redbrandprj wrote: »

Oh, let me just point out, we are not worried about anybody or their opinions. We will win our games by using chess pieces and not using words !!! Bring it on

Like to just point out that any of my comments made previously, and any further comments that I make, and have a right to make in NO way represent Enniscorthy Chess Club officially. They are purely my own comments and represent my own feelings on chess. And of course were meant in jest. Just want to clear that up for those who were offended.

Sparks · 08-12-2013 4:45pm

redbrandprj wrote: »

Just want to clear that up for those who were offended.

Wow, someone was offended by those comments?
I mean, there's a damn sight more offensive stuff out there written about Irish chess out there, and yet that doesn't get stopped...

Chessrookie · 08-12-2013 6:39pm

redbrand,
Firstly congratulations on how well Enniscorthy are doing this year. All the hard work is paying off across the board.
No need to apologise for possibly offending regulars on this site. I think the regulars over here are just genuine chess folk and will take you comments in the spirit they are made in.
A couple of points on your upcoming opponents.
Wicklow are very strong and experienced across all boards. They are much stronger than a normal Bodley team.
Dun Laoghaire have the bones of the team that got to one of the playoff spots in last years BEA, before they got a batch of new players this season. (we they are going very well in the O'Hanlon) They are also very strong. Note also their B1 Ivan has very good "chess genes".
Rathmines are very young with a batch of their juniors already playing on their BEA B squad, so they whilst they will win a few matches, they are not promotion contenders.
inchicore have a decent mix of experienced players and new juniors and should improve as the season goes on.
Phibsboro have an unusual mix in that they gave a lot of players new to league chess, although the newcomers are all adults rather than Juniors, which you tend to find in the Bodley.
Best of luck in your games.

Incidentally the Bodley A group looks more and more like a straight shoot out between Gonzaga and Drogheda. The laters excellent draw in the match with Gonzaga will keep the pressure on the league favourites. malahide will hang around for a while and benefit from not having to play Gonzaga until the last round, but their squad does not appear strong enough for promotion this year ( another years seasoning and they will be strong promotion contenders as well)

redbrandprj · 08-12-2013 6:50pm

Chessrookie wrote: »

redbrand,
Firstly congratulations on how well Enniscorthy are doing this year. All the hard work is paying off across the board.
No need to apologise for possibly offending regulars on this site. I think the regulars over here are just genuine chess folk and will take you comments in the spirit they are made in.
A couple of points on your upcoming opponents.
Wicklow are very strong and experienced across all boards. They are much stronger than a normal Bodley team.
Dun Laoghaire have the bones of the team that got to one of the playoff spots in last years BEA, before they got a batch of new players this season. (we they are going very well in the O'Hanlon) They are also very strong. Note also their B1 Ivan has very good "chess genes".
Rathmines are very young with a batch of their juniors already playing on their BEA B squad, so they whilst they will win a few matches, they are not promotion contenders.
inchicore have a decent mix of experienced players and new juniors and should improve as the season goes on.
Phibsboro have an unusual mix in that they gave a lot of players new to league chess, although the newcomers are all adults rather than Juniors, which you tend to find in the Bodley.
Best of luck in your games.

Incidentally the Bodley A group looks more and more like a straight shoot out between Gonzaga and Drogheda. The laters excellent draw in the match with Gonzaga will keep the pressure on the league favourites. malahide will hang around for a while and benefit from not having to play Gonzaga until the last round, but their squad does not appear strong enough for promotion this year ( another years seasoning and they will be strong promotion contenders as well)

Thanks Chessrookie. Some worthwhile comments to consider as we face our next few opponents. We will treat them all with equal respect and dignity that we would expect in return. We need strong challengers to help us improve our chess a great deal too. We are excited to be a part of it. Good luck to one and all teams.

midajoh · 08-12-2013 8:58pm

Is it only the top team from each group that gets promoted?Or does the runners up from each group get a chance to play for a promotion?

Echecs · 08-12-2013 9:22pm

Echecs wrote: »

The Bodley A and B are the only divisions where only one team gets promoted, unless the LCU makes another U-turn and decides to introduce promotion play-offs.

As you can see, this has been discussed before. The LCU often adds an element of unpredictability.

midajoh · 11-12-2013 11:44pm

Any news on Blanchardstown and Gonzaga

Echecs · 12-12-2013 12:38am

Dun Laoghaire 5-0 Phibsboro

Echecs · 12-12-2013 12:49am

Bodley Cup B, standings after Round 4.

1 Dun Laoghaire 4 16
2 St Benildus A 4 15
3 Curragh A 4 14
4 Wicklow 4 13
5 Enniscorthy 4 12 ½
6 Rathmines 4 11 ½
7 Bray / Greystones 4 5 ½
8 Inchicore 4 5
9 Naomh Barróg B 4 4
10 Phibsboro 4 3 ½

Dun Laoghaire are top of the league for now. This may change quickly, but the Dun Laoghaire players can, at last, enjoy viewing the table!

prey · 12-12-2013 1:15am

Bray 3-2 Inchicore

midajoh · 12-12-2013 3:21pm

Did Blanchardstown win any games against Gonzaga?

cdeb · 13-12-2013 8:38am

Got this from Peter Scott about promotion/relegation -

The winners of each section will get promoted. There will be no play offs as there are no vacancies in any of the higher divisions. The creation of a division seven will be a decision of the incoming committee next season.

mikhail · 13-12-2013 3:08pm

Odd. At the AGM, he said he couldn't create a division 7 between seasons without appearing to punish teams, or something to that effect - the implication was that you'd have to declare at the start of a season that the bottom X teams were being relegated. So, either the next committee makes a lie of that, or the Bodley remains as is for another year.

cdeb · 13-12-2013 3:13pm

Missed that. So does this mean that neither the incumbent nor the outgoing committees can form a new division?

Might put in a motion for the AGM calling for a division 7.

Sparks · 13-12-2013 3:28pm

Maybe just start division seven off but not do the relegation and let entry be voluntary? If it's meant to be the beginners division, what armstrong player's going to want to be in it?

Echecs · 13-12-2013 3:32pm

cdeb wrote: »

Might put in a motion for the AGM calling for a division 7.

Our club will second this motion.

cdeb · 13-12-2013 3:38pm

Sparks wrote: »

Maybe just start division seven off but not do the relegation and let entry be voluntary? If it's meant to be the beginners division, what armstrong player's going to want to be in it?

That motion was passed at the last AGM...

midajoh · 13-12-2013 3:43pm

Guys any result from the Gonzaga game against Blanchardstown i'm dying to know

cdeb · 13-12-2013 3:46pm

Have dropped them a text; will see what comes back.

Sparks · 13-12-2013 3:47pm

cdeb wrote: »

Missed that. So does this mean that neither the incumbent nor the outgoing committees can form a new division?

'Course, there is the point that since the ICU's not a company but a private club, they can ignore the rule completely without any sanction. Which is usually a really bad idea, but in this limited case would be of benefit overall...

cdeb · 13-12-2013 3:52pm

midajoh wrote: »

Guys any result from the Gonzaga game against Blanchardstown i'm dying to know

Postponement agreed due to exams apparently.

Sparks wrote: »

'Course, there is the point that since the ICU's not a company but a private club, they can ignore the rule completely without any sanction. Which is usually a really bad idea, but in this limited case would be of benefit overall...

Well, technically, the motion was that the ICU investigate the possibility of a one-hour, stand-alone league. But seeing as all the Bodley clubs were happy to play 90 minutes each, the one-hour probably wasn't needed.

But we do need a division 7 at this stage. Particularly with the ICU site being so good, and other (though still few enough) clubs having sites, it's easier for people to get interested and join a local club to be on a team.

Echecs · 13-12-2013 4:29pm

As I said before, we must create Division 7 anyway. The Bodley A and B are the only two divisions where only one team gets promoted, which is far from being fair. Also, teams in the Bodley are very uneven. Some of them could play in the O'Hanlon, some others have beginners on most of the boards. Division 7 would solve both problems.

As for Peter Scott's argument that "you'd have to declare at the start of a season that the bottom X teams were being relegated", should we ask him why did the LCU announce the play-off formula for the BEA Cup not at the start of the 2012/2013 season but right in the middle of it? So we learned that the 3rd and the 4th places in the BEA would get us into the play-offs quite late, having played half of our matches.

Ciaran · 13-12-2013 4:34pm

If there are too many teams next year and they don't want to create a Division Seven, there's an alternative of having a two-section BA as well as a two-section Bodley. This was done in the past and would avoid relegating teams without warning.

Echecs · 13-12-2013 4:39pm

For that, we'll have to increase the number of teams promoted from the Bodley to the enlarged two-section BEA. If we go for it, this will have to be announced as early as possible.

Sparks · 13-12-2013 4:51pm

Quick noob question: If in 2013, the Benildus team in Bodley A is promoted; but in 2014, because of people graduating/emigrating/eating pretzels without a safety person in high vis jacket nearby/whatever, their entire team that was promoted has left the club, but they now have a new batch of people. Does the team follow the Trigger's Broom rule?

cdeb · 13-12-2013 5:00pm

The team gets promoted, not the players.

The only way we wouldn't have a BA in that instance is if we asked not to be promoted before the start of the season.

cdeb · 13-12-2013 5:01pm

Echecs wrote: »

As for Peter Scott's argument that "you'd have to declare at the start of a season that the bottom X teams were being relegated", should we ask him why did the LCU announce the play-off formula for the BEA Cup not at the start of the 2012/2013 season but right in the middle of it? So we learned that the 3rd and the 4th places in the BEA would get us into the play-offs quite late, having played half of our matches.

I suppose it's the difference between promoting teams unexpectedly (yay!:D) and relegating teams unexpectedly (burn him! :mad:)

Ciaran · 13-12-2013 5:50pm

cdeb wrote: »

I suppose it's the difference between promoting teams unexpectedly (yay!:D) and relegating teams unexpectedly (burn him! :mad:)

Just rename Division 7 as Division 6b, everyone's happy.

Bodley 2013/14

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