Expectation of Men to do physical Work in certain Jobs

fat zombie · 31-08-2019 12:32am

Arne_Saknussem wrote: »

Lacks originality or any kind of wit.

3/10 and that's being kind.

Facts have no need to be witty

Arne_Saknussem · 31-08-2019 12:34am

fat zombie wrote: »

Facts have no need to be witty

Yawn, i'm out. Happy fishing.

fat zombie · 31-08-2019 12:58am

Sitting in a office , staring at a screen all day, bored to death, getting fat.
Outdoors, fresh air, invigorating work, keeping fit.
The choice is yours

El_Duderino 09 · 31-08-2019 7:16am

fat zombie wrote: »

Sitting in a office , staring at a screen all day, bored to death, getting fat.
Outdoors, fresh air, invigorating work, keeping fit.
The choice is yours

Those are the only choices? Crikey.

Will you let us know before you start your cull or will it be a surprise?

The internet really is the best place for your delusions of grandeur. Lol

tjhook · 31-08-2019 8:45am

fat zombie wrote: »

Many men walking the streets today carry DNA that would not have survived in a war torn continental Europe.

This is so wrong.

In war, the brave are the ones putting themselves at risk. The few very bravest sacrifice themselves for others.

If anything, somebody with a stronger sense of self preservation is more likely to find a way to keep themselves away from the frontlines and so survive.

Ireland's geographic isolation means we've been very lucky to avoid being sucked into major wars. I've never fought in a war, and never will, but I know a few who have. War isn't what you think it is.

Strumms · 31-08-2019 9:10am

In a job I had in the past I worked in a team of 6, 5 male and 1 female employees. The work was about 30% physical, 50% on your feet and active shall we say without being ‘physical’ and 20% stuck behind a PC and pretty responsible but handy enough...

The first girl in the department took to it like a duck to water, she had in the past done some modeling and with that ‘CV’ you might have expected through ignorance that she’d be shirking the less glamorous, physical side of things but she was good at all aspects of the job and always putting herself forward.

She left and was replaced by another girl from a different department... the new girl had a grand reputation, hard worker, fast learner and got on with everyone. Initially everything was grand but after a while we noticed her shirking the more physical non desk elements of the day..then she began almost to take over the office tasks and rarely to be seen ‘out front’...

I started to notice myself that I was becoming more tired and jaded, others were complaining too and eventually it was decided correctly that she just wasn’t pulling her weight and tasks were not being shared properly or responsibly...

Everyone looked forward to their day on the desk, as busy as it was, it was a rest physically from the ‘outside’ demands... you were busy, doing a very responsible job but warm and indoors in front of a PC...

In querying it we were told ‘ohhh you have to understand Amy is a girl and doesn’t have the same physicality as you lads’.

Our reply was ‘Amy is an employee, if she didn’t have the attributes to do her fair share she shouldn’t have been hired for this job’...

Not much changed however but it just goes to show an employee is an employee, equal pay...YES equal responsibility...YES equality in the workplace...TOTAL

El_Duderino 09 · 31-08-2019 9:32am

Cubascuba wrote: »

Would you describe yourself as masculine?

Do you know, the topic of masculinity came up in threads in the past and I asked what exactly posters mean when they use the term. The definition that they came up with, after a whole lot of cajoling, “ traits which appear more frequently in men”. I sh1 t you not.

But by most colloquial understandings of their term, then yes. I haven’t worried about my masculinity since I was a teenager.

Just for the craic, how would you define masculinity?

interactive · 31-08-2019 10:42am

tjhook wrote: »

This is so wrong.

In war, the brave are the ones putting themselves at risk. The few very bravest sacrifice themselves for others.

If anything, somebody with a stronger sense of self preservation is more likely to find a way to keep themselves away from the frontlines and so survive.
.

You have watched too much hollywood movies
The draft will pick you for service no matter how weak and feeble or strong you are

scamalert · 31-08-2019 10:54am

started with the boxes turns thread into war volunteers :rolleyes: usual AH day.

Factory work is beyond tough and most people dont care if you can or cant- production lines in many places are still mainly manual lifting 20-25kgs every couple minutes, thats why youll will see rarely any Irish doing factory jobs, as majority is all immigrants. Might sound one sided view, but reality is many places still operate on min wages, fast pace and they dont give a fck if one cant pull they will hire someone who can, and those who arent used to manual labour will quit most likely same day. Dont blame any people since takes a lot of BS taking and hard work to earn living for some.

Hotblack Desiato · 31-08-2019 11:44am

fat zombie wrote: »

Many men walking the streets today carry DNA that would not have survived in a war torn continental Europe.

Yes, shells are very selective about who they fall on :rolleyes:

thankfully in the last decades the continental woman have come to Ireland, and forced the Irish girls to raise their game.

If you're one of those adolescents who thinks plastic tits and fake tan is attractive, then great!

fat zombie wrote: »

1.90 metres
85kg
married
3 children
wife is a stay at home mum
i earn good money
thats what you will be measured against

Bro do you even lift?

At least you didn't say anything about your schlong*

Like a baby making a fist, no doubt :pac:

* so this probably isn't yet another Flash / Pintman account. Needs some polish on the writing style and more sexual boasting and accounts of defecation.

Problem Of Motivation · 31-08-2019 12:37pm

Strumms wrote: »

In querying it we were told ‘ohhh you have to understand Amy is a girl and doesn’t have the same physicality as you lads’.

Did someone in HR say that?

tjhook · 31-08-2019 3:05pm

interactive wrote: »

You have watched too much hollywood movies
The draft will pick you for service no matter how weak and feeble or strong you are

"The draft" has only been used by the USA in 5 wars - none since Vietnam AFAIK. And that's probably more than most other countries. The few lads I know who have fought weren't drafted.

littlevillage · 31-08-2019 3:26pm

If a job involves heavy lifting, then it involves heavy lifting, but if you and your colleagues are paid the same money and are working the same role....and some of them don't do the heavy manual work for whatever reason.....fear of heights, bad back, weak or being female etc.

Then all that should be noted down by you and used as a bargaining chip come pay review time.

A good manager will already be keenly aware of all of this, but no harm to spell it out all the same.

If pay reviews etc. are not ever going to be a consideration, then instead of sitting down on boxes and having a row with your supervisor you should just have just taken her aside for a quick word and pointed out the inequity of the setup and that you would like a bit of fair play.

Problem Of Motivation · 31-08-2019 5:45pm

littlevillage wrote: »

If pay reviews etc. are not ever going to be a consideration, then instead of sitting down on boxes and having a row with your supervisor you should just have just taken her aside for a quick word and pointed out the inequity of the setup and that you would like a bit of fair play.

That's easier said than done in a lot of cases. Especially in my case as she didn't like me (I mean prior to that), and she didn't even speak English that well.

El_Duderino 09 · 31-08-2019 6:03pm

Frozenlibro wrote: »

You should try not to be insecure about your masculinity, I sense you get bothered by it, just accept yourself as you are.

Did you even read the response?

Just for the craic, how would you define masculinity?

Redneck Reject · 31-08-2019 6:22pm

tjhook wrote: »

This is so wrong.

In war, the brave are the ones putting themselves at risk. The few very bravest sacrifice themselves for others.

If anything, somebody with a stronger sense of self preservation is more likely to find a way to keep themselves away from the frontlines and so survive.

Ireland's geographic isolation means we've been very lucky to avoid being sucked into major wars. I've never fought in a war, and never will, but I know a few who have. War isn't what you think it is.

No war isn't like they show in Hollywood. They don't show the civilian tragedies, especially involving women and children. But as a former Marine who was in Desert Shield/Desert Storm. You go where your ordered to and complete the mission your handed regardless. Anyone who has a "strong sense of self preservation", would be prosecuted with derelict of duty or even desertion in the field of battle.

So you can't really compare that experience with someone who throws a tantrum over boxes.

El_Duderino 09 · 31-08-2019 6:31pm

Frozenlibro wrote: »

Well off the top of my head I would say masculinity brings traits such as risk taking, directness, direct competitiveness, disagreeable, unconcerned with "people pleasing", strong frame ( this is why men are better comedians than women, they see through frames of groups more easily) breaking frame and comedy are closely linked.

I’d only be a medium on that scale. But obviously you won’t claim to have cornered all the important aspects of masculinity off the top of your head.

Also what’s frame? Is it a PUA term?

El_Duderino 09 · 31-08-2019 6:34pm

Frozenlibro wrote: »

So chill, don't mind people trying to put you down.

I wouldn’t.

I also don’t necessarily subscribe to your, off the top of your head, definition of masculinity.

Redneck Reject · 31-08-2019 6:38pm

For me, masculinity is to always love and support your family and friends. To always be honest and helpful and work hard. Anything else is a stereotype.IMHO

El_Duderino 09 · 31-08-2019 6:41pm

Frozenlibro wrote: »

That's the spirit, be disagreeable.

How would you describe masculinity?

I don’t. It’s too complex for spunking off definitions on the internet.

pinkyeye · 31-08-2019 6:52pm

Problem Of Motivation wrote: »

That's easier said than done in a lot of cases. Especially in my case as she didn't like me (I mean prior to that), and she didn't even speak English that well.

I'm shocked she didn't like you. :rolleyes:

Strumms · 31-08-2019 7:22pm

Problem Of Motivation wrote: »

Did someone in HR say that?

No there was no on-site HR that was coming from the supervisor.

El_Duderino 09 · 31-08-2019 7:34pm

Frozenlibro wrote: »

Wow, masculinity is a touchy subject for you!

It really isn’t. As I said, I have’t worried about it since my teens.

You, on the other hand, both brought it up and seem a bit hung up on it.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 31-08-2019 7:37pm

Frozenlibro wrote: »

Wow, masculinity is a touchy subject for you!

Jeez, let it go. You raised the issue.

Galwayguy35 · 31-08-2019 8:27pm

Not everyone is able for grunt work, in our warehouse we've had lads like the OP who just aren't strong enough to do the job.

Maybe some time in the gym would build up a bit of muscle for him.

Problem Of Motivation · 31-08-2019 9:07pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Not everyone is able for grunt work, in our warehouse we've had lads like the OP who just aren't strong enough to do the job.

You don't get it! Whether you're strong enough or not, you are still going to be more tired after doing it repetitively all day, when compared to the non lifting work. Why bother? Why not just take the easier option?

There are plenty of times in life when you will have to take the harder option, but I don't know if this is one of them. It'd be different if I thought I was going to be there for the rest of my life!! But it if makes you feel like a tough guy, then knock yourself out.

wexandproud · 31-08-2019 9:20pm

Problem Of Motivation wrote: »

and she didn't even speak English that well.

you should throw away the spade , the hole your digging is deep enough

Galwayguy35 · 31-08-2019 9:21pm

Problem Of Motivation wrote: »

You don't get it! Whether you're strong enough or not, you are still going to be more tired after doing it repetitively all day, when compared to the non lifting work. Why bother? Why not just take the easier option?

There are plenty of times in life when you will have to take the harder option, but I don't know if this is one of them. It'd be different if I thought I was going to be there for the rest of my life!! But it if makes you feel like a tough guy, then knock yourself out.

It's the likes of you that makes it harder on other lads who have to do extra to cover you when you aren't able for it.

An office job would suit you better.

weemcd · 31-08-2019 9:25pm

OP you need a new line of work

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 31-08-2019 9:29pm

weemcd wrote: »

OP you need a new line of work

He's running out of lines. His CV is crammed with short term employments of every shape, size, form and description.

Finding one that suits is the problem. No starting at the bottom, nobody telling him what to do or how to do it, and no women in any positions of authority.

pinkyeye · 31-08-2019 9:32pm

Adrian Future Cheesecake wrote: »

He's running out of lines. His CV is crammed with short term employments of every shape, size, form and description.

Finding one that suits is the problem. No starting at the bottom, nobody telling him what to do or how to do it, and no women in any positions of authority.

And no-one asking him to get the milk at a funeral. :rolleyes:

Charles Babbage · 31-08-2019 9:34pm

It is OK for men to be asked to do the work, if women are asked to clean up afterwards.

wexandproud · 31-08-2019 9:35pm

weemcd wrote: »

OP you need a new line of work

one where there is no physical work involved and in a place with no women and if there are women they must be non smokers and have perfect English.

should be easy enough find something

Dakota Dan · 31-08-2019 9:36pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

There have always been “pansies”. This poster, posts from the point of view of a clueless yolk alright. Not sure if they’re serious or parody but it doesn’t really matter. There were always “pansies” and if there were a disaster, they young people would do the dirty work as always. Don’t worry you’ll wrinkley aul self.

Are you ok pansie?

wexandproud · 31-08-2019 9:37pm

pinkyeye wrote: »

And no-one asking him to get the milk at a funeral. :rolleyes:

doesn't like getting milk and the tea pot might be to heavy so canteen work is out

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 31-08-2019 9:39pm

wexandproud wrote: »

doesn't like getting milk and the tea pot might be to heavy so canteen work is out

But he could have a level of control over the radio.

wexandproud · 31-08-2019 9:48pm

Adrian Future Cheesecake wrote: »

But he could have a level of control over the radio.

with the title of radio controller . you might be on to something

mariaalice · 31-08-2019 10:05pm

Problem Of Motivation wrote: »

You don't get it! Whether you're strong enough or not, you are still going to be more tired after doing it repetitively all day, when compared to the non lifting work. Why bother? Why not just take the easier option?

There are plenty of times in life when you will have to take the harder option, but I don't know if this is one of them. It'd be different if I thought I was going to be there for the rest of my life!! But it if makes you feel like a tough guy, then knock yourself out.

Assuming its not a parody, in general people do not give that much deep thought and attention to the amount of work they are doing in a job or maybe its more the way you are thinking about it even more so as it is not a long term or careers job.

The laziest person I evey worked with and it is a long time ago now, spend there life looking for a way of getting out of work, while being in work, they could spend 8 hours a day doing nothing. It is a very unattractive quality in anyone.

Everyone has off days, but spening your life looking for a handy number and feeling oppressed by being asked to work will make you unhappy as unless you win the lotto you have to work.

El_Duderino 09 · 01-09-2019 9:38am

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Are you ok pansie?

Yeah grandad. I’m grand.

Old boys always think young people are pansies. Your grandad thought your generation were pansies. Your generation calls mine pansies.

It’s just a way of telling when an old boy has lost touch with young people and can’t see any merit in them because he doesn’t actually know them anymore. Nothing new.

blinding · 01-09-2019 10:01am

Give women equality . Its what they want .

Dakota Dan · 01-09-2019 4:16pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Yeah grandad. I’m grand.

Old boys always think young people are pansies. Your grandad thought your generation were pansies. Your generation calls mine pansies.

It’s just a way of telling when an old boy has lost touch with young people and can’t see any merit in them because he doesn’t actually know them anymore. Nothing new.

You need a good nights sleep to clear your head, I'm not as old as you believe but do you always make a song and dance over other peoples opinions.

Greyfox · 01-09-2019 4:53pm

mariaalice wrote: »

they could spend 8 hours a day doing nothing. It is a very unattractive quality in anyone.

That's just silly, getting paid to do nothing for 8 hours is far better than working hard doing boring work all day.

El_Duderino 09 · 01-09-2019 5:01pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

You need a good nights sleep to clear your head, I'm not as old as you believe but do you always make a song and dance over other peoples opinions.

Ah don’t be cross. You called a generation, pansies, because you’re too old to know anything about them. No point getting upset now.

Anyway, the 6:01 news will be along in a minute for old people who get their news from tv. Then a Horlick and bed.

padd b1975 · 01-09-2019 9:07pm

blinding wrote: »

The women and the Trans people age doing the fighting the next time . We men will be making the sandwiches this time .

Equality and all that .

If only.

Of course in reality they'd never pass physical training.

Danzy · 01-09-2019 9:12pm

Reminds me of an article in the Guardian about making Construction more friendly to women.

One suggestion was lightening cement bags to 15kgs.

Top comment a fellow saying he didn't realise that carrying only one bag was an option never mind a lighter bag.

blinding · 02-09-2019 3:34am

padd b1975 wrote: »

If only.

Of course in reality they'd never pass physical training.

I’m telling ya , their getting the next one , its what equality is all about;);)

I’ll be rooting for them .

02-09-2019 11:07am

fat zombie wrote: »

Ireland unlike Europe has been spared the horrors of war, this has led us to a situation where the herd needs to be culled.
Many men walking the streets today carry DNA that would not have survived in a war torn continental Europe.
More proof of there need to cull the herd, look at the state of Irish women versus the continental women! The men went of to war and died in great numbers, the women stayed at home, when war was over the returning men where outnumbered by the women in a big way, therefor the women had to compete for the attention of the few men.
Irish women did not have to fight for the attention of the men, they let themselves go in a big way, thankfully in the last decades the continental woman have come to Ireland, and forced the Irish girls to raise their game.
There still is a large problem of weak feeble men and slovenly women, a hard Brexit and a serious recession would go someway to fixing the problem.

My parents went to school with no shoes in the summer to save the leather wearing out for winter.

My mam drank from a jam jar as they couldn't afford cups.

Both left school at 12 and did hard labour all their lives for crap money. They were in no way unusual in rural ireland in the 1940s, 50s and 60s.

**** you and your weak genes **** pretty boy.

jmayo · 02-09-2019 2:14pm

By christ that are some right eejits here.

How many people here are lambasting the OP for not being a good little boy and jumping to when told to lift a load of 25kg boxes.

Why should he break his ar** lifting a load of boxes on his own ?
What does he get out of it ?
Possibly a sore back and fook all else.

Only a moron breaks their back for someone else.

It is about time the would be hard men who thinks they are going to look great busting their ass showing how strong they are copped on a bit.
Just remember if you screw your back up then someone in that company is going to see you as a liability and want to get you out.
And you have only one back.

In the long run you will be as well thanked for not breaking your back as the plebs who will.

I have been around the block long enough to be quite cynical about employers.
And eventually a lot of you will come to the same conclusions.

blinding · 02-09-2019 5:24pm

jmayo wrote: »

By christ that are some right eejits here.

How many people here are lambasting the OP for not being a good little boy and jumping to when told to lift a load of 25kg boxes.

Why should he break his ar** lifting a load of boxes on his own ?
What does he get out of it ?
Possibly a sore back and fook all else.

Only a moron breaks their back for someone else.

It is about time the would be hard men who thinks they are going to look great busting their ass showing how strong they are copped on a bit.
Just remember if you screw your back up then someone in that company is going to see you as a liability and want to get you out.
And you have only one back.

In the long run you will be as well thanked for not breaking your back as the plebs who will.

I have been around the block long enough to be quite cynical about employers.
And eventually a lot of you will come to the same conclusions.

Good post .

Why do men do so much for women ? Its not as if they show any gratitude !

Strumms · 02-09-2019 5:45pm

jmayo wrote: »

By christ that are some right eejits here.

How many people here are lambasting the OP for not being a good little boy and jumping to when told to lift a load of 25kg boxes.

Why should he break his ar** lifting a load of boxes on his own ?
What does he get out of it ?
Possibly a sore back and fook all else.

Only a moron breaks their back for someone else.

It is about time the would be hard men who thinks they are going to look great busting their ass showing how strong they are copped on a bit.
Just remember if you screw your back up then someone in that company is going to see you as a liability and want to get you out.
And you have only one back.

In the long run you will be as well thanked for not breaking your back as the plebs who will.

I have been around the block long enough to be quite cynical about employers.
And eventually a lot of you will come to the same conclusions.

Well said, especially your last paragraph.

If I’m hired to do X job I’m expecting now all employees of the same job title be they male, female or whatever age to be the recipients of the same workloads as myself, same responsibilities as myself and the same required standards as myself . Got fed up in my last job of excuses being made for fùckers hiding behind computers all day who when it was queried...

“Ahhh you have to remember...she is a girl and doesn’t have quite the physicality as yourself”

“Sure isn’t she great at the admin side you have to play to her strengths”.

“Sure didn’t you hear her, spending the week chasing after the young fella at home would you not give her a break ?”

No.

Expectation of Men to do physical Work in certain Jobs

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