The Joker movie - starring Joaquin Phoenix (MOD: May contain Spoilers)

Uncharted · 26-08-2019 7:03pm

Slydice wrote: »

Don't bring the kids..

Joker Movie Rated R for ‘Disturbing Behavior’ and More
https://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/1094341-joker-movie-rated-r-for-disturbing-behavior-and-more

Great news.
The Joker backstory should be a psychologically dark,warped ,twisted affair. Not a Disney singalong.

pixelburp · 27-08-2019 2:25pm

There's another trailer apparently due to drop tomorrow; going by precedent, I imagine this one will be more plot-centric than the first 'teaser'...

NIMAN · 28-08-2019 9:05am

There was a trailer for it prior to Once Upon A Time in Hollywood at the cinema on Monday night.

Would that have been the new trailer or old one?

speedboatchase · 28-08-2019 9:53am

NIMAN wrote: »

There was a trailer for it prior to Once Upon A Time in Hollywood at the cinema on Monday night.

Would that have been the new trailer or old one?

That was the old trailer.

McDermotX · 28-08-2019 5:13pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAGVQLHvwOY

pixelburp · 28-08-2019 5:14pm

Slightly more plot focused, but not giving too much away, here's the latest trailer:

edit: snap, beaten to it!

I gotta say, I'm really liking the looks of this. Grungy and dingy, though I do wonder how much sympathy you're mean to retain for someone as fundamentally "Chaotic Evil" as Joker. That's going to be the big question...

speedboatchase · 28-08-2019 5:22pm

Joaquin going for the Oscar by the looks of things.

Midnight_EG · 28-08-2019 5:24pm

Is it just me, or does anybody else feel like they don't know a single thing about how this is going to go and absolutely love it?

peteeeed · 28-08-2019 5:51pm

Bring it on

pixelburp · 28-08-2019 5:53pm

Midnight_EG wrote: »

Is it just me, or does anybody else feel like they don't know a single thing about how this is going to go and absolutely love it?

I've vague ideas where the film's going based on the two trailers, and some hints mentioned by Todd Phillips, but they generally feel like guesses. I had thought this trailer would be far more spoiler'y than it has turned out to be, which is a refreshing change for mainstream film.

Hmmm, wonder what odds you'd get for Phillips being handed the keys to the Batman franchise overall? If Joker is a hit - which at a $50 million budget there's a very good chance it WILL be 'cos that budget's comparatively minuscule - DC/WB could give him more toys to play with.

Drumpot · 28-08-2019 6:09pm

pixelburp wrote: »

I've vague ideas where the film's going based on the two trailers, and some hints mentioned by Todd Phillips, but they generally feel like guesses. I had thought this trailer would be far more spoiler'y than it has turned out to be, which is a refreshing change for mainstream film.

Hmmm, wonder what odds you'd get for Phillips being handed the keys to the Batman franchise overall? If Joker is a hit - which at a $50 million budget there's a very good chance it WILL be 'cos that budget's comparatively minuscule - DC/WB could give him more toys to play with.

I’m thinking this could be a very dark movie like Logan. Not particularly funny or happy and quite miserable at times. As brilliant as that movie Logan is it’s a tough watch so I’m expecting an equally hard watch with joker but in a good way.

pixelburp · 28-08-2019 6:14pm

Drumpot wrote: »

I’m thinking this could be a very dark movie like Logan. Not particularly funny or happy and quite miserable at times. As brilliant as that movie Logan is it’s a tough watch so I’m expecting an equally hard watch with joker but in a good way.

Fair point; Logan is the best movie I've ever watched that I know I'll never watch again* Though it did great business, a 97$ million budget raking in $620 million worldwide.

If I have a concern about the film, is that it's going to trivialise mental illness, and be one of those scripts that's unreasonably horrible to its lead character to prove a point, or get them to their final destination. It looks like they're riffing on The Killing Joke, where the Joker started life as a failed, sad-sack comedian.

[*] and one that confirmed I'm going to be a wet puddle when Patrick Stewart leaves us

peteeeed · 28-08-2019 6:55pm

I hope this is a beginning , middle and an end origin story for the joker , since Nolan left the helm DC has been a bit of a mess .nolan’s Batman was a very real world comic book movie , I hope this is close to that .....HOPE

kerplun k · 28-08-2019 7:27pm

That’s a fantastic shot at the end when he leans back in the chair.

Shred · 28-08-2019 8:48pm

pixelburp wrote: »

Slightly more plot focused, but not giving too much away, here's the latest trailer:

edit: snap, beaten to it!

I gotta say, I'm really liking the looks of this. Grungy and dingy, though I do wonder how much sympathy you're mean to retain for someone as fundamentally "Chaotic Evil" as Joker. That's going to be the big question...

I recently got around to reading Empire’s feature that someone linked to a few posts back. Regarding sympathising with the character Phillips said specifically “we’re treating a guy who’s ultimately a villain, or supervillain, in comic-book terms, like a real person you love. We hope you’re on his side, until you can’t be on his side any longer”.

There’s some other interesting snippets such as:

Phillip’s is a comic book fan from childhood but wanted to ignore the usual approach and make a character study, not an action movie.

“We’re not even doing Joker, but the story of becoming Joker”.

He first pitched the idea for Joker to Warner execs at the ‘War Dogs’ after party. He proposed that this be the 1st of several ‘DC Black’ films to counter Marvel instead of trying to beat them at their own game; each film should have a budget of around $30, “without all the CGI hoopla” as he said. subsequent films were to be helmed by other “fúcking great film makers”. The ‘DC Black’ idea wasn’t taken on* but Joker was.
It’s set in Gotham in ‘81 (because he didn’t want the internet or mobile phones to feature) where we’ll encounter “powerful businessman Thomas Wayne and his young son Bruce”.
It was all shot on location in New York, without a single green screen as Phillips hasn’t a clue how to shoot in that format.
Phillips (and Scott Silver) wrote the part with Phoenix in mind (they even had a photo of him above their computer!) specifically but hadn’t met him. He raves about his performance throughout the article “he’s unsettling in the movie. The movie is unsettling and I think that’s a great thing. The Joker should be unsettling”.

*Not yet you’d imagine!

Shred · 28-08-2019 8:50pm

pixelburp wrote: »

Hmmm, wonder what odds you'd get for Phillips being handed the keys to the Batman franchise overall? If Joker is a hit - which at a $50 million budget there's a very good chance it WILL be 'cos that budget's comparatively minuscule - DC/WB could give him more toys to play with.

It doesn’t seem like that’d be Phillip’s thing as per my last post.

PressRun · 28-08-2019 9:40pm

I really hope it doesn't go down the route of the world was mean to this guy, so he decides to become the Joker and start killing people, etc. Personally, that's not a narrative I would have a huge amount of sympathy with.
But I'm still interested in the movie. I'm interested in anything Joaquin Phoenix does.

Caegan · 28-08-2019 10:03pm

That's another fantastic trailer, really have high expectations for this. Love that it wasn't full of spoilers.

expectationlost · 28-08-2019 10:06pm

Its look great but we've seen it haven't we. The King of Comedy X Taxi Driver X The Dark Knight

Slydice · 28-08-2019 11:39pm

I think this is going to be a very violent film.

The White Wolf · 29-08-2019 8:35am

PressRun wrote: »

I really hope it doesn't go down the route of the world was mean to this guy, so he decides to become the Joker and start killing people, etc. Personally, that's not a narrative I would have a huge amount of sympathy with.
But I'm still interested in the movie. I'm interested in anything Joaquin Phoenix does.

Depends for me on how they sell it. It doesn't look like they're going for a simple good guy turned evil by society narrative.

It looks like an angle of man on the edge fighting an inner turmoil which is exasperated by his surroundings. They'll probably emphasise that Arthur makes a willing choice in the end to give into his darkness. If it's a willing choice, then that's cool with me.

yourdeadwright · 29-08-2019 3:51pm

It looks like finally after all these years we are getting a movie that captures what the joker is suppose to be, I don't think anyone has captured the real joker yet in film ,

He looks unhinged and someone who has mentally just fallen apart and has no intrest in trying to repair his brokenness ,

ziedth · 29-08-2019 8:22pm

I genuinely can't think of a film in recent years (Maybe ever) that has intrigued me nearly as much as Joker. I can't suss it out at all. Great to see and whoever the marketing team behind it are they deserve to be commended

30-08-2019 3:56am

I really like that trailer, I mean I must, I just watched it about 6 times there now.

peteeeed · 30-08-2019 8:10am

new poster

joker-poster-new-1185127.jpeg?auto=webp&width=300&height=445&crop=300:445,smart

cdgalwegian · 30-08-2019 9:52am

Anarchic psychopathy is pretty much the antithesis of society, so The Joker is the stoker of a primal cultural fear. Is DC finally nailing the darkness on film? This looks like it could be the real deal.

silverharp · 30-08-2019 10:16am

One interesting point was that its not a shared universe movie so it can be its own thing with its own payoffs and should need to compromise less. Seeing a positive reaction from the few people I tune into.

30-08-2019 10:19am

It looks class.

So did Man of Steel in the trailer so I will set my expectations low which will hopefully result in me absolutely loving it.

CastorTroy · 30-08-2019 12:32pm

Reminds me a bit of Gotham season 2,I think when they hinted anyone could be the Joker when loads of people started acting out

claiva · 30-08-2019 12:40pm

Deleted User wrote: »

It looks class.

So did Man of Steel in the trailer so I will set my expectations low which will hopefully result in me absolutely loving it.

I thought Man of Steel was a pretty decent movie, almost great, but not quite, more of the origin story stuff and less of the stupid CGI bashing into skyscrapers for 10 minutes duels would have made it great. It was soured by the dogsh1t that followed it though.
Henry Cavill was perfect for it, but he was let down by the writing.

peteeeed · 30-08-2019 1:08pm

claiva wrote: »

I thought Man of Steel was a pretty decent movie, almost great, but not quite, more of the origin story stuff and less of the stupid CGI bashing into skyscrapers for 10 minutes duels would have made it great. It was soured by the dogsh1t that followed it though.
Henry Cavill was perfect for it, but he was let down by the writing.

i agree to a point but Zach Snyder just can't do subtle . man of steel had a good superman , a good baddie but kevin costner as the dad was a weird take in that he didn't want him to save anybody including himself

batman v superman was good until superman realised that himself and batman have a mother with the same name and stopped punching

Justice league was just a mess , no story and poor special effects , a baddie with terrible dialogue

suicide squad was even worse

the joker , don't let me down

peteeeed · 31-08-2019 5:50pm

The review embargo is still up but the reviews from the Venice film festival are good , very good

https://twitter.com/rotovisor/status/1167726573153333249?s=21

peteeeed · 31-08-2019 6:28pm

Empire magazine give it 5 out of 5

https://www.empireonline.com/movies/reviews/joker/

MisterAnarchy · 31-08-2019 6:30pm

Looks promising .

Dark and gritty say the reviews ,I'm all for that.

pixelburp · 31-08-2019 6:35pm

One review I read noted that the film doesn't quite thread the needle between making Arthur's plight relatable, but also repugnant as the man who becomes the Joker. Or that this Joker's too broken and real for it to contain a man in a bat costume. Should be a film that'll get keenly dissected by the sounds of it.

kerplun k · 31-08-2019 7:01pm

peteeeed wrote: »

Empire magazine give it 5 out of 5

https://www.empireonline.com/movies/reviews/joker/

Surprised reviews are out so early. Is there normally not an embargo on things like this, like a ban a few days before the actual release date. It’s out in October right?

johnny_ultimate · 31-08-2019 7:23pm

kerplun k wrote: »

Surprised reviews are out so early. Is there normally not an embargo on things like this, like a ban a few days before the actual release date. It’s out in October right?

Not at film festivals, where films routinely premiere months before they’ll get a commercial release. Warner obviously hoping to win some cinephile cred by premiering it in Venice (and Toronto shortly). And by the sounds of it it’s a bit of a controversy-baiter in some respects so maybe hoping to generate a ‘discourse’ in advance.

That said, I’m in favour of embargoes after screenings if only to prevent people tweeting out ludicrous hyperbole like the below :pac:

https://twitter.com/firstshowing/status/1167721654656655362?s=21

Slydice · 31-08-2019 7:36pm

but like.. since when should the Jokers plight be relatable?

Mr. Arkadin · 01-09-2019 4:46am

I personally don't mind a little hyperbole from long-suffering DC fans.

I'd pretty much ignored this up until the reviews broke. Now I'm very excited, especially with this The King of Comedy talk, Scorsese's dark masterwork.

It'll also be great to draw a line under talk of Ledger being the definitive Joker. There's many different Jokers in the comics and none of them are definitive. The movies are the same.

kerplun k · 01-09-2019 7:56am

Mr. Arkadin wrote: »

I personally don't mind a little hyperbole from long-suffering DC fans.

I'd pretty much ignored this up until the reviews broke. Now I'm very excited, especially with this The King of Comedy talk, Scorsese's dark masterwork.

It'll also be great to draw a line under talk of Ledger being the definitive Joker. There's many different Jokers in the comics and none of them are definitive. The movies are the same.

There’s hyperbole and then there’s that Tweet in johnnys last post. I mean... that’s just next level.

Mr. Arkadin · 01-09-2019 8:18am

kerplun k wrote: »

There’s hyperbole and then there’s that Tweet in johnnys last post. I mean... that’s just next level.

It's an attention grabbing tweet and guess what.

PressRun · 01-09-2019 2:24pm

I saw it described as "incel friendly", which I can't say appeals to me.

The White Wolf · 01-09-2019 3:33pm

PressRun wrote: »

I saw it described as "incel friendly", which I can't say appeals to me.

I've also seen this criticism but thankfully they're few and far between. The film was always going to get grief from people with a bone to pick to be fair; that was clear from the trailers alone.

One review I read described Arthur as a deluded narcissist so it doesn't sound like he's been glorified at all.

batgoat · 01-09-2019 8:04pm

I think the incel friendly angle can be added to a lot of films at this stage and more often than not it's because of the bizarre interpretations that they can achieve. Think it's retrospectively with Dark Knight Joker and Taxi Driver could be looked back as such too.

01-09-2019 8:27pm

I'm going to stop reading anything on the internet about the film cos it's just too ****ing weird

I'm just going to watch a film, enjoy it or not, and largely forget about it until it comes to recommendations

What the **** is this picking sides a bull****

Ipso · 01-09-2019 8:32pm

batgoat wrote: »

I think the incel friendly angle can be added to a lot of films at this stage and more often than not it's because of the bizarre interpretations that they can achieve. Think it's retrospectively with Dark Knight Joker and Taxi Driver could be looked back as such too.

Usually it says more about the people making the claim, than the film.

silverharp · 01-09-2019 10:26pm

Ipso wrote: »

Usually it says more about the people making the claim, than the film.

i can see it now for Rotten Tomatoes, critic reviews 55%, Audience score 92% :pac:

Slydice · 01-09-2019 11:20pm

Rotten Tomatoes has it at 88% from Critics at the moment:
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/joker_2019

88%
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02-09-2019 12:13am

When is it out here?

Caegan · 02-09-2019 12:20am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

When is it out here?

October 4th from what I can find.

The Joker movie - starring Joaquin Phoenix (MOD: May contain Spoilers)

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