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The Joker movie - starring Joaquin Phoenix (MOD: May contain Spoilers)

  • 16-09-2018 10:51pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 7,639 ✭✭✭ Stu Redman


    First official image of Pheonix as Joker has just been released...

    n07cMXn.jpg


    I like the look, but have to laugh and agree with the 'No Gotham For Old Men' comments which are doing the rounds online.

    Directed by Todd Phillips.

    Due for release October 4th, 2019


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭ S.M.B.


    Had no idea this was in production. What an odd project.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,639 ✭✭✭ Stu Redman


    S.M.B. wrote: »
    Had no idea this was in production. What an odd project.

    It's odd considering the gargantuan mess which is currently DC/WB's big screen ventures. They don't know what they want to do apart from make billions of dollars with these characters. They can see their end, but appear to have no idea how to go about the means.

    However, the idea of a stand-alone Joker movie does interest me, especially once it isn't Leto and that damaged Joker. Leto has good chops, but that SS movie and Joker interpretation has forever ruined him as Joker for me.

    Pheonix seems to be cut from a similar cloth to other actors like Bale and Day Lewis, who absolutely devote themselves to a role. I love what he did with the iconic Johnny Cash in Walk The Line, I'm very interested to see what he does with this iconic fictional character.

    My only reservation so far is the director Todd Phillips. Tbf, he directed one of my favourite comedies ever in Old School, but for a gritty Joker deconstruction I would prefer to see a more dramatic and reputable director in the genre brought in for this.

    Also, the promo image above is one thing, but I really hope this Joker isn't just Anton Chigurh with a different name.

    Here is some more general info about the movie, but story details are scarce so far...

    https://variety.com/2018/film/news/joaquin-phoenix-joker-movie-release-date-1202877605/


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 27,852 Mod ✭✭✭✭ pixelburp


    So WB have thrown $55 million to Todd Phillips to make a Joker gangster / scorsece film; if they manage to keep a hands off approach it could be a way back into good graces. The mega blockbuster format wasn't sustainable or working and taking the opposite tactic might be the path forward. Keep the budgets under 100 million ala deadpool or jumanji

    If WB can resist panicky reshoots seeing the first drafts - which tends to happen when studios give free reign to a creative team - it may be a profitable number (and if it's any good of course)


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 27,258 CMod ✭✭✭✭ johnny_ultimate


    Starring Joaquin Phoenix = :)
    Directed by Todd Phillips = :/


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭ S.M.B.


    I'm assuming they've hired War Dogs Todd Philips and not Road Trip Todd Philips. I didn't particularly like War Dogs either and I don't see how it would indicate he could do a good Joker movie either.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 75,500 ✭✭✭✭ JP Liz V1


    Todd Phillips is an interesting choice as he is known for comedies

    Robert De Niro is in talks to join
    as a talk-show host who plays a part in driving Phoenix’s character to go mad and become the Clown Prince of Crime. According to insiders, the script has ties to De Niro’s film “King of Comedy,” about a failing comedian (De Niro) who kidnaps a popular talk-show host to gain fame. In this case, the roles would be reversed, with De Niro playing the smug host

    https://variety.com/2018/film/news/joker-joaquin-phoenix-first-look-photo-1202943732/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,989 ✭✭✭ jacksie66


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,231 ✭✭✭ Hercule Poirot


    I think, with the right script, Phoenix can do this - he was born to play damaged individuals

    And ironically, when Ledger was cast as the Joker by Nolan I had a nerd fit, mainly because I was only familiar with his teen romance films like 10 Things..... was very pleased to be totally and utterly wrong

    Even when Leto was cast in SS I reserved judgement because sometimes, only sometimes as evidenced by SS, the actor will nail it


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭ Klonker


    Joaquin Phoenix is probably the best character actor there is at the moment and I dont think he'd sign up without being sold on the story by the director so I have high hopes for this.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,703 ✭✭✭ Slydice


    I swear, this was literally what I heard on first impression


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,639 ✭✭✭ Stu Redman


    pixelburp wrote: »
    So WB have thrown $55 million to Todd Phillips to make a Joker gangster / scorsece film; if they manage to keep a hands off approach it could be a way back into good graces. The mega blockbuster format wasn't sustainable or working and taking the opposite tactic might be the path forward. Keep the budgets under 100 million ala deadpool or jumanji

    If WB can resist panicky reshoots seeing the first drafts - which tends to happen when studios give free reign to a creative team - it may be a profitable number (and if it's any good of course)


    I agree with the rest of your post, and on the Scorsese thing - That's what I would expect them to do. However, I was thinking more like Goodfellas or Casino-style Scorsese, not
    The King of Comedy
    ...

    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Todd Phillips is an interesting choice as he is known for comedies

    Robert De Niro is in talks to join
    as a talk-show host who plays a part in driving Phoenix’s character to go mad and become the Clown Prince of Crime. According to insiders, the script has ties to De Niro’s film “King of Comedy,” about a failing comedian (De Niro) who kidnaps a popular talk-show host to gain fame. In this case, the roles would be reversed, with De Niro playing the smug host

    https://variety.com/2018/film/news/joker-joaquin-phoenix-first-look-photo-1202943732/

    That's really interesting. I happen to love that movie in the spoilers, and feel that some of its themes are even more relevant today.

    However, similar to 'I hope this isn't just Joker as Anton Chigurh', I really hope that this isn't just a remake of
    The King of Comedy
    with a different ending.

    Here is some leaked set-footage. Apparently, Joker's name before he becomes Joker will be
    Arthur Fleck
    , so I guess that's who we're looking at in this video. Todd Phillips originally released the Joaqer image on his Instagram with the name
    Arthur
    in the text.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,639 ✭✭✭ Stu Redman


    Wow, a lot more information in this article which might be too much for some people looking to remain completely spoiler-free. No deaths or anything like that, but plot points and casting news about specific roles, enough info to guess what kind of way they're going to go with this Joker origin.

    http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/the-joker/267177/joker-movie-cast-release-date-story-plot-news

    Todd Phillips wrote the script with a guy called Scott Silver whose other writing credits include The Fighter, The Finest Hours and 8 Mile. That's a mixed enough bag, still though, it's nowhere near as ominous as Akiva Goldsmith adapting my beloved Dark Tower book series.

    Going back to Scorsese for a moment, he is actually on board for this movie as producer. I know it's early but I'm getting strong vibes that this will be a mixture of
    The Killing Joke and the King of Comedy

    It could be good if done right. Given his hand in the story and direction, Todd Phillips is the wildcard though and will make or break this movie.*

    *Given that WB give him full creative control, or don't David Ayer him. I suspect that since this is not a movie to launch or save an extended universe and that the budget is 'only' $50m, there is a chance the studio execs might let the creatives do their thing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,933 ✭✭✭✭ TerrorFirmer


    War Dogs was OK, but I'll never be able to overlook the absolute mess he made of Hangover 3 in trying to create a thriller-comedy-drama....


  • Registered Users Posts: 53,262 ✭✭✭✭ GavRedKing


    The first images I seen of this, considering I ddint know anything about it until last night, Phoenix looked very like Day Lewis, I had to do a double take.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭ correction


    Todd Phillips is such an unlikely, this can't work type director choice that you know it'll end up working brilliantly to everyones surprise.

    And Joaquin Phoneix seems the absolute perfect choice for this. The only other actor that comes to mind to play The Joker, and this could still happen in actual Batman movies, is Paul Dano. Always felt he was certain to play The Joker at some point.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭ McLoughlin


    His name is Arthur Fleck ? as in A Fleck aka Afleck as in Affleck ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 288 ✭✭ Ethereal Cereal


    McLoughlin wrote: »
    His name is Arthur Fleck ? as in A Fleck aka Afleck as in Affleck ;)

    Thats one of the more bizarre things about this movie.
    That was surely intentional... :confused:


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭ Gwynplaine


    I always thought Christian Slater would make a great Joker.
    Leto's Joker should be erased from history, absolutely terrible.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,997 ✭✭✭ Ipso


    Prior to Ledgers annoncement for the Dark Knight, Phoenix along with Kiefer Sutherland were the actors I would have liked to see get the role.
    Very interested in how this goes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,980 HandsomeBob


    https://twitter.com/wbpictures/status/1043184618160021505?s=19

    Looks promising. Surprised at how old school the make up is, almost Romero like in its simplicity.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 629 ✭✭✭ smurf492


    Looks promising. Surprised at how old school the make up is, almost Romero like in its simplicity.


    Like the simplicity but too early to be releasing final joker look... Goes well with the footage of the other clown


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 27,852 Mod ✭✭✭✭ pixelburp


    Wasn't what I was expecting but then it's a marked improvement on the Leto Joker for sure *shudder*

    The thought also occurs that if this has a mere 55 million budget, potentially there won't be AS much post production, so we might see a trailer sooner than normal.


  • Registered Users Posts: 75,500 ✭✭✭✭ JP Liz V1


    https://twitter.com/wbpictures/status/1043184618160021505?s=19

    Looks promising. Surprised at how old school the make up is, almost Romero like in its simplicity.

    Looks like Billy Crudup as Joker


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,997 ✭✭✭ Ipso


    So, what kind of person if he pre-joker? Small time criminal who gets worked over and snaps or just a nobody who snaps?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,931 Mod ✭✭✭✭ CatFromHue


    Seems weird seeing Phoenix in the role as he's someone who doesn't like doing promo for films and I'd imagine there'd be quite a bit of that for this film.


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,052 ✭✭✭✭ PTH2009


    So is this the same joker as Heath Ledgers one or a completely separate one ???

    Going to be really confusing if Jared Letos one gets his own movie


  • Registered Users Posts: 56,417 ✭✭✭✭ Agent Coulson


    More Jack Joker to me.


  • Registered Users Posts: 629 ✭✭✭ smurf492


    smurf492 wrote:
    Like the simplicity but too early to be releasing final joker look... Goes well with the footage of the other clown

    PTH2009 wrote:
    So is this the same joker as Heath Ledgers one or a completely separate one ???

    Get over the whole heath joker thing... It is 1980s separate


  • Registered Users Posts: 629 ✭✭✭ smurf492


    More Jack Joker to me.


    . More of Jack would be awesome. Ledgers joker wouldnt have most of the plaudits had he not died


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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,388 ✭✭✭✭ fritzelly


    So this is Joaquin Pheonix being Joaquin Pheonix - just don't see the point of a Joker prequel
    Joker is supposed to be a little bit mysterious and Joaquin Pheonix does not do it for me - always struck me as very much a method actor and had some great roles but this role is not that type but will await with baited breath that it is something spectacular but the clown preview looks pretty crass tbh. Hoping that makeup is a fake else is just a copy cat.
    smurf492 wrote: »
    . More of Jack would be awesome. Ledgers joker wouldnt have most of the plaudits had he not died

    I didn't care he died, barely knew the actor - just thought he played this maniacal psychotic character to a tee and the film was more than just the character


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