The Joker movie - starring Joaquin Phoenix (MOD: May contain Spoilers)

peteeeed

claiva wrote: »

I thought Man of Steel was a pretty decent movie, almost great, but not quite, more of the origin story stuff and less of the stupid CGI bashing into skyscrapers for 10 minutes duels would have made it great. It was soured by the dogsh1t that followed it though.
Henry Cavill was perfect for it, but he was let down by the writing.

i agree to a point but Zach Snyder just can't do subtle . man of steel had a good superman , a good baddie but kevin costner as the dad was a weird take in that he didn't want him to save anybody including himself

batman v superman was good until superman realised that himself and batman have a mother with the same name and stopped punching

Justice league was just a mess , no story and poor special effects , a baddie with terrible dialogue

suicide squad was even worse

the joker , don't let me down

peteeeed

The review embargo is still up but the reviews from the Venice film festival are good , very good

https://twitter.com/rotovisor/status/1167726573153333249?s=21

peteeeed

Empire magazine give it 5 out of 5

https://www.empireonline.com/movies/reviews/joker/

MisterAnarchy

Looks promising .

Dark and gritty say the reviews ,I'm all for that.

pixelburp

One review I read noted that the film doesn't quite thread the needle between making Arthur's plight relatable, but also repugnant as the man who becomes the Joker. Or that this Joker's too broken and real for it to contain a man in a bat costume. Should be a film that'll get keenly dissected by the sounds of it.

kerplun k

peteeeed wrote: »

Empire magazine give it 5 out of 5

https://www.empireonline.com/movies/reviews/joker/

Surprised reviews are out so early. Is there normally not an embargo on things like this, like a ban a few days before the actual release date. It’s out in October right?

johnny_ultimate

kerplun k wrote: »

Surprised reviews are out so early. Is there normally not an embargo on things like this, like a ban a few days before the actual release date. It’s out in October right?

Not at film festivals, where films routinely premiere months before they’ll get a commercial release. Warner obviously hoping to win some cinephile cred by premiering it in Venice (and Toronto shortly). And by the sounds of it it’s a bit of a controversy-baiter in some respects so maybe hoping to generate a ‘discourse’ in advance.

That said, I’m in favour of embargoes after screenings if only to prevent people tweeting out ludicrous hyperbole like the below :pac:

https://twitter.com/firstshowing/status/1167721654656655362?s=21

Slydice

but like.. since when should the Jokers plight be relatable?

Mr. Arkadin

I personally don't mind a little hyperbole from long-suffering DC fans.

I'd pretty much ignored this up until the reviews broke. Now I'm very excited, especially with this The King of Comedy talk, Scorsese's dark masterwork.

It'll also be great to draw a line under talk of Ledger being the definitive Joker. There's many different Jokers in the comics and none of them are definitive. The movies are the same.

kerplun k

Mr. Arkadin wrote: »

I personally don't mind a little hyperbole from long-suffering DC fans.

I'd pretty much ignored this up until the reviews broke. Now I'm very excited, especially with this The King of Comedy talk, Scorsese's dark masterwork.

It'll also be great to draw a line under talk of Ledger being the definitive Joker. There's many different Jokers in the comics and none of them are definitive. The movies are the same.

There’s hyperbole and then there’s that Tweet in johnnys last post. I mean... that’s just next level.

Mr. Arkadin

kerplun k wrote: »

There’s hyperbole and then there’s that Tweet in johnnys last post. I mean... that’s just next level.

It's an attention grabbing tweet and guess what.

PressRun

I saw it described as "incel friendly", which I can't say appeals to me.

The White Wolf

PressRun wrote: »

I saw it described as "incel friendly", which I can't say appeals to me.

I've also seen this criticism but thankfully they're few and far between. The film was always going to get grief from people with a bone to pick to be fair; that was clear from the trailers alone.

One review I read described Arthur as a deluded narcissist so it doesn't sound like he's been glorified at all.

batgoat

I think the incel friendly angle can be added to a lot of films at this stage and more often than not it's because of the bizarre interpretations that they can achieve. Think it's retrospectively with Dark Knight Joker and Taxi Driver could be looked back as such too.

I'm going to stop reading anything on the internet about the film cos it's just too ****ing weird

I'm just going to watch a film, enjoy it or not, and largely forget about it until it comes to recommendations

What the **** is this picking sides a bull****

Ipso

batgoat wrote: »

I think the incel friendly angle can be added to a lot of films at this stage and more often than not it's because of the bizarre interpretations that they can achieve. Think it's retrospectively with Dark Knight Joker and Taxi Driver could be looked back as such too.

Usually it says more about the people making the claim, than the film.

silverharp

Ipso wrote: »

Usually it says more about the people making the claim, than the film.

i can see it now for Rotten Tomatoes, critic reviews 55%, Audience score 92% :pac:

Slydice

Rotten Tomatoes has it at 88% from Critics at the moment:
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/joker_2019

88%
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When is it out here?

Caegan

[Deleted User] wrote: »

When is it out here?

October 4th from what I can find.

Skerries

hear now, none of that yankee system
It's 4th October

PressRun

Ipso wrote: »

Usually it says more about the people making the claim, than the film.

Does it? I've seen a couple more reviews that have touched on an element of moral incoherence in the film and that it could easily be viewed through a celebratory lens. There's definitely a preoccupation with violence and male rage in American film and society in general and even if one is trying satirize such issues, satire isn't easy to pull off, especially in film. It can be hard to show why a character is attracted to violence, for example, while also emphasising the nonsense behind those ideas. There is always a danger that if it is underplayed, that it won't be actually clear who or what the film is aimed at or what it's actually trying to say.
I haven't seen the film so I can't say for sure if that's what's going on here, but there is always a danger of getting it wrong when trying to humanize the villain and filmmakers can get the balance wrong.

Edit: btw I'm not saying that films make people do bad things (not reasonable people anyway). Films, music, video games, etc are not violence and choosing to act on something you saw in a film is your own responsibility entirely. But America's borderline obsession with platforming the disaffected white guy is interesting.

I'm just really wondering if this is not just a Falling Down remake, from what I am hearing

Drumpot

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm just really wondering if this is not just a Falling Down remake, from what I am hearing

I would be ok with that . .

Its funny cause when you wrote that I was thinking "arent pretty much most movies these days a rehash of a story told already in some form" . .

The White Wolf

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/sep/02/incel-violence-joker-rightwing-film-joaquin-phoenix

Good article and pretty much what I expected was the issue in some quarters; people are seeing things that aren't there, or at the very least wrongly applying a stance to the filmmakers.

Slydice

McDermotX wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAGVQLHvwOY

Is that

Bruce Wayne, Martha Wayne and Thomas Wayne leaving a theatre

at the short moment scene at 2:11?

Are they gonna do

the Wayne murders

in this?

Jurgen The German

I am not nor have I ever been into superhero movies, the only one I've managed to sit through is Logan and I enjoyed that so if this is similarly dark / bloody then hooray. As an aside, I'd never heard the term incel before so had to Google it, what a strange world we live in.

GBX

Been out of the loop on superhero movies of late. Does this fit in with any timeline ?

GBX

GBX wrote: »

Been out of the loop on superhero movies of late. Does this fit in with any timeline ?

Yep, the one where there's finally going to be a quality DC movie.

pixelburp

GBX wrote: »

Been out of the loop on superhero movies of late. Does this fit in with any timeline ?

No, it's its own movie, and own timeline. Won't have any relationship or link with any previous DC movie.