Second Captains Part II

TRANQUILLO · 01-09-2020 1:30pm

The veil definitely slipped with the lads over the last two years or so. It's a left wing echo chamber. I suppose it is good for business so it's understandable. I remember Ken talking to Laura Kennedy about Jordan Peterson. He stated that when Peterson said he was a clinical psychologist his immediate reaction was "so what". He could take a lesson out of his his own comments regarding John Giles.... " its not a case of what they are saying it's a case of who is saying it".

Still the best sports pod out there though.

duffman13 · 01-09-2020 4:02pm

TRANQUILLO wrote: »

The veil definitely slipped with the lads over the last two years or so. It's a left wing echo chamber. I suppose it is good for business so it's understandable. I remember Ken talking to Laura Kennedy about Jordan Peterson. He stated that when Peterson said he was a clinical psychologist his immediate reaction was "so what". He could take a lesson out of his his own comments regarding John Giles.... " its not a case of what they are saying it's a case of who is saying it".

Still the best sports pod out there though.

Wouldnt consider myself left wing or I certainly havent noticed it. Usually with podcasts you can pick it up fairly quickly but I have been listening to them years and it hasnt smacked me in the face yet. I just started the blindboy podcast and he is pretty good on some stuff but overtly left leaning from what I have heard so far.

Jordan Peterson is like a touch point for a lot of people. Take his political and religious views out and I can listen to him as he is interesting on certain topics. I dunno maybe I am just too thick to notice whether someone is left leaning or right leaning unless there are very clear on it. As you said, its the best sports podcast out there and that is why I listen to it.

Say Your Number · 01-09-2020 5:36pm

God I remember way back on Newstalk, them talking to and being very supportive of Tommie Smith and John Carlos, when have they not been a "Left wing echo chamber"

Say Your Number · 01-09-2020 5:51pm

duffman13 wrote: »

I just started the blindboy podcast and he is pretty good on some stuff but overtly left leaning from what I have heard so far.

I heard him criticize Obama for the drone strikes a few times and he called Joe Biden a prick a while ago.

Ol' Donie · 01-09-2020 10:26pm

TRANQUILLO wrote: »

The veil definitely slipped with the lads over the last two years or so. It's a left wing echo chamber. I suppose it is good for business so it's understandable. I remember Ken talking to Laura Kennedy about Jordan Peterson. He stated that when Peterson said he was a clinical psychologist his immediate reaction was "so what". He could take a lesson out of his his own comments regarding John Giles.... " its not a case of what they are saying it's a case of who is saying it".

Still the best sports pod out there though.

Fùckin veil. There is no veil. What does that even mean?

Arghus · 02-09-2020 1:30am

Ol' Donie wrote: »

Fùckin veil. There is no veil. What does that even mean?

It just means that the usual bolloxology that fills up elsewhere on the site is here now too.

I wouldn't say any veil has slipped with the lads in relation to how they talk about political or cultural hot topics. They've been pretty consistent in all of the fourteen years I've been listening to them.

Everything sounds like a "left wing echo chamber" if you're to the right of it. And if you post about it on boards.ie chances are you are pretty far to that right IMO.

Looking back on that Peterson talk. I thought it was a really good example of Ken not being afraid to make an ass of himself, almost on purpose, in order to stimulate a worthwhile conversation. Ken rhymed off his hot-takes on Peterson and Laura Kennedy examined them and tried to put what Peterson was saying in a bit of a wider context. I thought it was one of the fairer examples of a discussion about Peterson in the media at the time.

lawred2 · 02-09-2020 7:57am

Ol' Donie wrote: »

Fùckin veil. There is no veil. What does that even mean?

Some dumb ****e pulled from American trash sites where being of a social/liberal disposition is almost like something you'd try to hide publicly.. you know the usual "keep politics out of x" when really it means "keep your politics out of x but I'll be happy to have mine"..

There's been a few fellas in this thread getting fierce upset with the lads over their perceived leftiness.

elefant · 02-09-2020 8:29am

Arghus wrote: »

Looking back on that Peterson talk. I thought it was a really good example of Ken not being afraid to make an ass of himself, almost on purpose, in order to stimulate a worthwhile conversation. Ken rhymed off his hot-takes on Peterson and Laura Kennedy examined them and tried to put what Peterson was saying in a bit of a wider context. I thought it was one of the fairer examples of a discussion about Peterson in the media at the time.

Sounds excellent- searching back and downloading that one now.

kilns · 02-09-2020 11:27am

Say Your Number wrote: »

I heard him criticize Obama for the drone strikes a few times and he called Joe Biden a prick a while ago.

I know this is a second captains thread and should stay like that, but Blindboy is a prat

Ivefoundgod · 02-09-2020 11:41am

In fairness this thread remains one of the few the places that has managed to avoid infiltration from the right wingers who've taken over most of the site at this stage.

Its good to see that as soon as someone tries to start that ****e in here they get shot down straight away.

Anyway, on topic, thought the rugby pods recently have been pretty poor. I'm not sure if its just me or if my interest in rugby has waned but I really couldn't care less about the PRO 14 at the minute, just seems like an after thought. Would much rather more coverage of the NBA playoffs and associated protests than Shane Horgan on about the provinces struggles or Leinsters superiority.

EltonJohn69 · 02-09-2020 11:49am

It’s inevitable that Ken gets canceled.

Raoul · 02-09-2020 2:41pm

Ivefoundgod wrote: »

In fairness this thread remains one of the few the places that has managed to avoid infiltration from the right wingers who've taken over most of the site at this stage.

Its good to see that as soon as someone tries to start that ****e in here they get shot down straight away.

Anyway, on topic, thought the rugby pods recently have been pretty poor. I'm not sure if its just me or if my interest in rugby has waned but I really couldn't care less about the PRO 14 at the minute, just seems like an after thought. Would much rather more coverage of the NBA playoffs and associated protests than Shane Horgan on about the provinces struggles or Leinsters superiority.

Yeah, I basically listened to the start and end of yesterday's pod and skipped most of the middle after a few minutes of trying to listen to the rugby chat.

Still Ill · 02-09-2020 3:05pm

Raoul wrote: »

Yeah, I basically listened to the start and end of yesterday's pod and skipped most of the middle after a few minutes of trying to listen to the rugby chat.

Did the exact same except for the few minutes of trying to listen to the rugby. Rarely watch rugby and generally the rugby talk is so dry that it would be pointless for a casual to listen to.

dog_pig · 02-09-2020 3:20pm

lawred2 wrote: »

Some dumb ****e pulled from American trash sites where being of a social/liberal disposition is almost like something you'd try to hide publicly.. you know the usual "keep politics out of x" when really it means "keep your politics out of x but I'll be happy to have mine"..

There's been a few fellas in this thread getting fierce upset with the lads over their perceived leftiness.

Trash? Is that like rubbish?

Arghus · 02-09-2020 3:23pm

Rugby chat is an instant skip for me too, pure listening to explaining the mechanics of paint drying. The corportist vibe of a lot of their contributors makes their words sound like the sporting cousins of business BS speak - which gets to the heart of why I increasingly find myself disliking rugby more as the years go on.

You listen to the bit at the start and the bit at the end and excise the Shane Horgan filler in the middle. He talks a lot. Does he ever say anything interesting?

Genuine question.

Arghus · 02-09-2020 3:34pm

Ivefoundgod wrote: »

In fairness this thread remains one of the few the places that has managed to avoid infiltration from the right wingers who've taken over most of the site at this stage.

Its good to see that as soon as someone tries to start that ****e in here they get shot down straight away.

We should be thankful. Have a look at the Off The Ball thread in the radio forum.

The absolute state of it. The absolute state of 90% of threads on the site with more than 100 replies.

How this thread has stayed sane and relatively civil over the course of 10,000 posts is a minor Boards miracle.

freyners · 02-09-2020 4:30pm

Arghus wrote: »

Rugby chat is an instant skip for me too, pure listening to explaining the mechanics of paint drying. The corportist vibe of a lot of their contributors makes their words sound like the sporting cousins of business BS speak - which gets to the heart of why I increasingly find myself disliking rugby more as the years go on.

You listen to the bit at the start and the bit at the end and excise the Shane Horgan filler in the middle. He talks a lot. Does he ever say anything interesting?

Genuine question.

I dont mind Horgan. Does have some good insights but he very much stays on the topic he knows (Ireland, Leinster and to a certain degree Munster) but rarely talks with any great detail on the other two provinces or non-Irish teams. Might be an overly harsh criticism but he has a very monotone delivery compared to the three lads or other contributors which is very noticeable to me. Compared to some other podcasts covering rugby (e.g. House of rugby which leans way too far into lads banter for my taste or the Left Wing which i find genuinely bad) I'm happy enough with the second captains coverage

Ol' Donie · 02-09-2020 5:03pm

Arghus wrote: »

We should be thankful. Have a look at the Off The Ball thread in the radio forum.

The absolute state of it. The absolute state of 90% of threads on the site with more than 100 replies.

How this thread has stayed sane and relatively civil over the course of 10,000 posts is a minor Boards miracle.

You're just saying that cos you never got over Crooked Hilary not getting elected...

...is a common enough response round here. More common than you'd expect in a country where nobody cares at all about Hillary Clinton.

Say Your Number · 02-09-2020 6:32pm

Remember the state of the first thread when they did a politics pod just after Trump got elected because they dared to criticise the great man, that crowd seems to have gone away, I dread to think what the OTB thread would look like if they carried out an idenical interview with Danny Rose, I love that this thread exists in a vaccum and anyone that spouts that sh1te is shouted down pretty quickly.

kilns wrote: »

I know this is a second captains thread and should stay like that, but Blindboy is a prat

I've a hard time hating someone that comes with something this catchy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAXGmyQGkHI

yermandan · 02-09-2020 8:42pm

Arghus wrote: »

It just means that the usual bolloxology that fills up elsewhere on the site is here now too.

I wouldn't say any veil has slipped with the lads in relation to how they talk about political or cultural hot topics. They've been pretty consistent in all of the fourteen years I've been listening to them.

Everything sounds like a "left wing echo chamber" if you're to the right of it. And if you post about it on boards.ie chances are you are pretty far to that right IMO.

Looking back on that Peterson talk. I thought it was a really good example of Ken not being afraid to make an ass of himself, almost on purpose, in order to stimulate a worthwhile conversation. Ken rhymed off his hot-takes on Peterson and Laura Kennedy examined them and tried to put what Peterson was saying in a bit of a wider context. I thought it was one of the fairer examples of a discussion about Peterson in the media at the time.

I can't remember this pod, any chance you could find which episode number it is?

Arghus · 02-09-2020 9:30pm

yermandan wrote: »

I can't remember this pod, any chance you could find which episode number it is?

https://www.secondcaptains.com/2018/02/16/episode-1089-psychology-pronouns-alt-right-dad-rules-analysing-jordan-peterson-laura-kennedy/

duffman13 · 02-09-2020 10:57pm

Arghus wrote: »

https://www.secondcaptains.com/2018/02/16/episode-1089-psychology-pronouns-alt-right-dad-rules-analysing-jordan-peterson-laura-kennedy/

Listened today, missed it at the time but I found it thoroughly enjoyable. Ken was a passenger a bit, never heard of Laura before this but felt she was incredibly balanced

Arghus · 03-09-2020 12:13am

duffman13 wrote: »

Listened today, missed it at the time but I found it thoroughly enjoyable. Ken was a passenger a bit, never heard of Laura before this but felt she was incredibly balanced

She was really great wasn't she? Very fair. Writes mainly about make-up in the times, but she's obviously got a background in philosophy and social sciences. Very intelligent and perceptive. I felt it was the only time I'd heard someone discuss Jordan Peterson without having their mind totally made up beforehand one way or the other. Depending on who you listen to he's either a nutter or a genius. I think she's been on a couple of other times over the years. Always very impressive.

PhilipsR · 03-09-2020 8:12am

I’d imagine nothing gets resolved at Offaly board meetings with Michael Duignan as chairman.

D.Q · 03-09-2020 9:46am

Arghus wrote: »

We should be thankful. Have a look at the Off The Ball thread in the radio forum.

The absolute state of it. The absolute state of 90% of threads on the site with more than 100 replies.

How this thread has stayed sane and relatively civil over the course of 10,000 posts is a minor Boards miracle.

Yeah the site has gone to the dogs altogether in the last few years. Headcases on every thread. Current affairs is an absolute dumpster fire.

Would really hate to see us go down the same path of America in terms of two firmly entrenched sides at war constantly but I feel likw the slide has already started.

yermandan · 03-09-2020 11:25am

Arghus wrote: »

https://www.secondcaptains.com/2018/02/16/episode-1089-psychology-pronouns-alt-right-dad-rules-analysing-jordan-peterson-laura-kennedy/

Thanks a mill

MyPeopleDrankTheSoup · 03-09-2020 4:27pm

I really don't care about a review of 'on the waterfront' in a sports podcast. Why like?

D.Q · 03-09-2020 4:32pm

Murph and mal movies is comfortably the worst segment in rotation at the moment. Murph is good foil for the lads but should not have a starring role in anything. Especially if its not even sport related really.

jones · 03-09-2020 11:12pm

D.Q wrote: »

Murph and mal movies is comfortably the worst segment in rotation at the moment. Murph is good foil for the lads but should not have a starring role in anything. Especially if its not even sport related really.

Normally I'd agree with you but thought today's one was the best they've done although that may be because I love both the films there were talking about.

Arghus · 04-09-2020 12:27am

D.Q wrote: »

Murph and mal movies is comfortably the worst segment in rotation at the moment. Murph is good foil for the lads but should not have a starring role in anything. Especially if its not even sport related really.

Agreed.

Murph obviously knows his films - not everyone can reference Wayne's World 2 and The Leopard in a movie conversation - but I find the segment pretty forgettable, even more so than the book club, which can occasionally be interesting depending on the guest.

It's just two lads talking about films, which you mainly haven't seen. And both of them aren't really leaders of conversation. Murph is very knowledgeable and all, but can't really make the discussions about anything other than mentioning parts of the film. And Malachy Clerkin, god love him, is quite boring.

Xavi6 · 04-09-2020 4:50am

Agree re: the movie club being a drag but it's still infinitely more interesting than the rugby and GAA discussions.

Still Ill · 04-09-2020 8:42am

Xavi6 wrote: »

Agree re: the movie club being a drag but it's still infinitely more interesting than the rugby and GAA discussions.

I skip all three! Still plenty of content to keep me interested throughout the week though.

Say Your Number · 04-09-2020 8:50am

Ah they are no worse than hours of talk of expected goal or which overpayed mercenary is going where every week.

Ol' Donie · 04-09-2020 7:07pm

Arghus wrote: »

Anyone else find all the Messi talk a bit exasperating yesterday? I know it's a big story, but really does anyone actually believe he'll really end up leaving Barcelona in the end?

TRANQUILLO · 04-09-2020 7:13pm

Arghus wrote: »

It just means that the usual bolloxology that fills up elsewhere on the site is here now too.

I wouldn't say any veil has slipped with the lads in relation to how they talk about political or cultural hot topics. They've been pretty consistent in all of the fourteen years I've been listening to them.

Everything sounds like a "left wing echo chamber" if you're to the right of it. And if you post about it on boards.ie chances are you are pretty far to that right IMO.

Looking back on that Peterson talk. I thought it was a really good example of Ken not being afraid to make an ass of himself, almost on purpose, in order to stimulate a worthwhile conversation. Ken rhymed off his hot-takes on Peterson and Laura Kennedy examined them and tried to put what Peterson was saying in a bit of a wider context. I thought it was one of the fairer examples of a discussion about Peterson in the media at the time.

I thought she was very good that day regarding Peterson and then let herself down on the Belfast Rugby trial one ( im 90% sure it was her, hope I am not confusing her with the normally brilliant Angela Nagle).

TRANQUILLO · 04-09-2020 7:15pm

Ol' Donie wrote: »

Fùckin veil. There is no veil. What does that even mean?

I do remember when they were looking for a name for Kens politics pods and people were sending in their suggestions the echo chamber was actually suggested as a name. They gave a hearty chuckle.

TRANQUILLO · 04-09-2020 7:21pm

duffman13 wrote: »

Wouldnt consider myself left wing or I certainly havent noticed it. Usually with podcasts you can pick it up fairly quickly but I have been listening to them years and it hasnt smacked me in the face yet. I just started the blindboy podcast and he is pretty good on some stuff but overtly left leaning from what I have heard so far.

Jordan Peterson is like a touch point for a lot of people. Take his political and religious views out and I can listen to him as he is interesting on certain topics. I dunno maybe I am just too thick to notice whether someone is left leaning or right leaning unless there are very clear on it. As you said, its the best sports podcast out there and that is why I listen to it.

I have noticed it lately with McWilliams, Blindboy and the second captains lads. You just always know what side of the debate they will come down on before they speak now. Blindboy has been unlistenable for the best art of 18 months. McWilliams is another weekly listen but I feel he's gone which ever way the wind is blowing now too.

Im waiting in the long grass to see whether Andy Lee gets free ride regarding the MTK stuff next time there is a big fight on.

I love their football coverage. Kens diatribes are exactly what im after. Best sports podcast out there .

The george gibney one is such a rip off of serial season 1. The car conversations , the piano music. Almost identikit podcasting by numbers.

Arghus · 04-09-2020 8:04pm

TRANQUILLO wrote: »

I thought she was very good that day regarding Peterson and then let herself down on the Belfast Rugby trial one ( im 90% sure it was her, hope I am not confusing her with the normally brilliant Angela Nagle).

That was Sinéad O' Carroll who "let herself down" - whatever that means.

healy1835 · 04-09-2020 8:35pm

TRANQUILLO wrote: »

The george gibney one is such a rip off of serial season 1. The car conversations , the piano music. Almost identikit podcasting by numbers.

No. Not even remotely true.

Arghus · 05-09-2020 1:18am

Ol' Donie wrote: »

I couldn't believe the amount of talk that was going on when it was clear that Messi going was never going to happen.

The football media is so full of shyte. So much of football coverage is such hot air.

TRANQUILLO · 05-09-2020 9:16am

healy1835 wrote: »

No. Not even remotely true.

In your opinion.

TRANQUILLO · 05-09-2020 9:17am

Arghus wrote: »

That was Sinéad O' Carroll who "let herself down" - whatever that means.

Thats the one ! My apologies to Laura Kennedy for the disservice.

Jim Root · 05-09-2020 3:57pm

I thought the fixation about mick McCarthy’s comments, in the post match analysis pod, pretty weird. Tell me about the game lads.

Arghus · 05-09-2020 6:16pm

Jim Root wrote: »

I thought the fixation about mick McCarthy’s comments, in the post match analysis pod, pretty weird. Tell me about the game lads.

I thought they went on about it far too much as well. It didn't bother me that he did it - he's not busy and no one knows more about the Irish team than him.

".. he doesn't struggle to get back to sleep after waking at 5AM... to go the toilet"

A bit of middle aged ennui there from Ken.

Raoul · 05-09-2020 10:10pm

Arghus wrote: »

I thought they went on about it far too much as well. It didn't bother me that he did it - he's not busy and no one knows more about the Irish team than him.

".. he doesn't struggle to get back to sleep after waking at 5AM... to go the toilet"

A bit of middle aged ennui there from Ken.

Haha. I was thinking that myself too about Ken.

Brock Turnpike · 06-09-2020 10:25am

I thought the chat about Mick was great, very funny. Fully justified too. Ridiculous that Mick was on commentating on that game telling us what should be happening after the muck he served up for 18 months.

06-09-2020 10:33am

I'm surprised they didn't mention McCarthys claim that Shane Long was injured for his whole time in the job.

Raoul · 06-09-2020 4:59pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

I'm surprised they didn't mention McCarthys claim that Shane Long was injured for his whole time in the job.

I think they did.

Beersmith · 06-09-2020 5:29pm

Raoul wrote: »

I think they did.

They didn't

NavyandBlue · 07-09-2020 12:10am

I’m looking forward to the lads’ take on the Djokovic disqualification. The holier-than-thou style rules of tennis and golf are exactly the type of thing to send Ken off on a rant.

Second Captains Part II

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