PS5 or Xbox Series X ?

Greyfox · 22-09-2020 5:47pm

Same with me, my console stands up and everyone I know does the same

Zero-Cool · 22-09-2020 6:01pm

Ok, we need a new thread with a new poll, horizontal or vertical.

Jordan 199 · 22-09-2020 6:07pm

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Ok, we need a new thread with a new poll, horizontal or vertical.

Vertical!

Sephiroth_dude · 22-09-2020 7:14pm

I've both pre-ordered but will go with ps5 I think.

Mitch Connor · 22-09-2020 7:58pm

went with the full fat PS5 and a Series S as a Games Pass machine.

brianregan09 · 22-09-2020 9:19pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

went with the full fat PS5 and a Series S as a Games Pass machine.

This is what i've done aswell

Penn · 22-09-2020 10:18pm

brianregan09 wrote: »

This is what i've done aswell

I'll probably pick up a Series S next year but not going to battle launch/Xmas rushes. Maybe towards the summer. Or I might hold off and get the Series X towards next Xmas instead. Make it an Xbox Series X Xmas.

wes · 23-09-2020 1:27am

Penn wrote: »

I'll probably pick up a Series S next year but not going to battle launch/Xmas rushes. Maybe towards the summer. Or I might hold off and get the Series X towards next Xmas instead. Make it an Xbox Series X Xmas.

Series S is still on sale in Smyths, so I don't think anyone who wants that one will have any issue getting one this year.

Jordan 199 · 23-09-2020 9:41am

Xbox Series X.

Markitron · 23-09-2020 11:00am

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Ok, we need a new thread with a new poll, horizontal or vertical.

Horizontal 4 Lyfe!

riclad · 23-09-2020 11:18am

The xbox has game pass ,backward compatiblity with xbox 1 games .
95 per cent of games will be released on both consoles, ps5, xbox ,
so i think the new series x will be better value.
the ps5 is very big and it looks strange.
i see no big rush to buy any new console unless you have a 4k tv.
I do,nt think there,ll be any good games released for either console for at least 6months from now.
In the last 10 years its always the cheapest console that wins the console war.

Markitron · 23-09-2020 11:26am

riclad wrote: »

The xbox has game pass ,backward compatiblity with xbox 1 games .
95 per cent of games will be released on both consoles, ps5, xbox ,
so i think the new series x will be better value.

You say this as if the PS5 doesn't.

The Raging Bile Duct · 23-09-2020 11:27am

Markitron wrote: »

You say this as if the PS5 doesn't.

It doesn't have Gamepass...

Retr0gamer · 23-09-2020 11:52am

Markitron wrote: »

You say this as if the PS5 doesn't.

With select PS4 games. Whatever that means is yet to be seen.

Also it doesn't have Ninja Gaiden Black.

The Raging Bile Duct · 23-09-2020 11:55am

Retr0gamer wrote: »

With select PS4 games. Whatever that means is yet to be seen.

Also it doesn't have Ninja Gaiden Black.

99% of games being compatible is hardly select.

Tij da feen · 23-09-2020 11:55am

Markitron wrote: »

You say this as if the PS5 doesn't.

Xbox has backwards compatibility with a decent chunk of games for OG Xbox and 360 + full compatibility with Xbox One. In this regard Xbox is a clear front runner

Retr0gamer · 23-09-2020 12:02pm

The Raging Bile Duct wrote: »

99% of games being compatible is hardly select.

But they didn't say that. They said about 100 of the top titles.

I can guess a lot of the interesting titles won't work. Like my precious Deception 4.

Although.... there's not many interesting games on the PS4 :pac:

The Raging Bile Duct · 23-09-2020 12:05pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

But they didn't say that. They said about 100 of the top titles.

I can guess a lot of the interesting titles won't work. Like my precious Deception 4.

Although.... there's not many interesting games on the PS4 :pac:

Eh, yes they did.

In an interview with The Washington Post, Sony Interactive Entertainment president and CEO Jim Ryan said that backwards compatibility has been tested with "thousands" of games, and that most of them work. In fact, the figure he gives is "99 percent," meaning that it will be rare for a PS4 game to not work on Sony's new console.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/ps5-backwards-compatibility-sony-boss-says-99-of-ps4-games-will-work/1100-6482283/

quokula · 23-09-2020 12:17pm

In fairness, while it doesn't have gamepass, the selection of high quality games you get with the PS+ collection at PS5 launch is far superior to what's available on Gamepass, even with added Bethesda.

And I just don't care about backwards compatibility with games that are two generations old - I've already got consoles that can play those games and I never bother taking them out of storage because there is far better stuff available today. I don't have enough free time to waste it playing stuff with dated UX and controls. It's a vastly overstated feature that will be forgotten about by most people a few months after launch.

I've preordered both consoles as I always do. Last three generations the Playstation has been 90% of gaming with the xbox basically being a Forza machine. With Gamepass it gets more of a look in now, but the overwhelming majority of games I'm interested in are not on gamepass and likely never will be. It is a good service for dabbling in games I normally wouldn't bother with though so it's nice to have.

Zero-Cool · 23-09-2020 12:17pm

Yeah, it was in Mark Cerny's dev talks in May he mentioned the top 100 were tested. I saw somthing recently that 95% or 99% of PS4 games will be playable but don't know how legit that is. Ubisoft confirmed both Division 1 and 2 will be playable on PS5 so I imagine that since Div 1 is playable, a LOT of games will be.

Penn · 23-09-2020 12:22pm

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Yeah, it was in Mark Cerny's dev talks in May he mentioned the top 100 were tested. I saw somthing recently that 95% or 99% of PS4 games will be playable but don't know how legit that is. Ubisoft confirmed both Division 1 and 2 will be playable on PS5 so I imagine that since Div 1 is playable, a LOT of games will be.

Yeah I believe the comment about testing the top 100 games was in relation to how the PS5 will provide some native upscaling of those games. However 99% of the actual PS4 games will still be playable on PS5 regardless of upscaling/improvements.

Arcadeheroes · 23-09-2020 12:29pm

quokula wrote: »

In fairness, while it doesn't have gamepass, the selection of high quality games you get with the PS+ collection at PS5 launch is far superior to what's available on Gamepass, even with added Bethesda.

And I just don't care about backwards compatibility with games that are two generations old - I've already got consoles that can play those games and I never bother taking them out of storage because there is far better stuff available today. I don't have enough free time to waste it playing stuff with dated UX and controls. It's a vastly overstated feature that will be forgotten about by most people a few months after launch.

I've preordered both consoles as I always do. Last three generations the Playstation has been 90% of gaming with the xbox basically being a Forza machine. With Gamepass it gets more of a look in now, but the overwhelming majority of games I'm interested in are not on gamepass and likely never will be. It is a good service for dabbling in games I normally wouldn't bother with though so it's nice to have.

Outside of the last guardian and bloodborne there is so much more higher quality games on gamepass than what Sony is offering on Playstation + collection .
with game pass you are being offered games across 5 generations including with the likes of Zone of the enders, rare replay , Ninja gaiden black , Panzar dragoon orta , metal gear solid hd collection.

quokula · 23-09-2020 12:52pm

Arcadeheroes wrote: »

Outside of the last guardian and bloodborne there is so much more higher quality games on gamepass than what Sony is offering on Playstation + collection .
with game pass you are being offered games across 5 generations including with the likes of Zone of the enders, rare replay , Ninja gaiden black , Panzar dragoon orta , metal gear solid hd collection.

Personally I'd take stuff you didn't mention like Persona 5, The Last of Us or Uncharted over a bunch of really old games that you could probably pick up to own for next to nothing.

super_furry · 23-09-2020 12:55pm

Gamepass makes the decision for me. Both boxes are €500, one will cost me €80 a game, one will cost me €12.99 a month for a hundred games.

WhenPigsCry · 23-09-2020 1:10pm

quokula wrote: »

Personally I'd take stuff you didn't mention like Persona 5, The Last of Us or Uncharted over a bunch of really old games that you could probably pick up to own for next to nothing.

There are over 200 games on GamePass, including all Microsoft published releases, a lot of big indie games like Hollow Knight and Untitled Goose Game, and a few of the third party titles also on PS Plus Collection, like RE7 and Arkham Knight.

The PS Plus Collection is so far under 20 games, mostly stuff people already played if they had a PS4. Persona 5 isn't even the Royal one.

Penn · 23-09-2020 1:20pm

WhenPigsCry wrote: »

There are over 200 games on GamePass, including all Microsoft published releases, a lot of big indie games like Hollow Knight and Untitled Goose Game, and a few of the third party titles also on PS Plus Collection, like RE7 and Arkham Knight.

The PS Plus Collection is so far under 20 games, mostly stuff people already played if they had a PS4. Persona 5 isn't even the Royal one.

But you're not really comparing like for like, as PS Now is the alternative to Gamepass, not the PS Plus Collection. PS Now also has Hollow Knight, RE7, Arkham Knight.

Don't get me wrong, Gamepass still beats PS Now and PS+ Collection combined. But PS Now does have over 700 games from the back catalogue. It doesn't have everything, and is probably even missing a lot of big-hitters. And Sony definitely need to improve PS Now even if they're not going to be matching what MS offer with Gamepass (first party games free at launch). But comparing Gamepass to the PS Plus Collection is apples and oranges.

WhenPigsCry · 23-09-2020 1:21pm

Arcadeheroes wrote: »

Outside of the last guardian and bloodborne there is so much more higher quality games on gamepass than what Sony is offering on Playstation + collection .
with game pass you are being offered games across 5 generations including with the likes of Zone of the enders, rare replay , Ninja gaiden black , Panzar dragoon orta , metal gear solid hd collection.

MGS hd is gone. Orta is going and one RareReplay is going too. Ninja Gaiden Black and Zone of the enders aren't on there, maybe they left already. This is the downside of GamePass.

McFly85 · 23-09-2020 1:21pm

WhenPigsCry wrote: »

There are over 200 games on GamePass, including all Microsoft published releases, a lot of big indie games like Hollow Knight and Untitled Goose Game, and a few of the third party titles also on PS Plus Collection, like RE7 and Arkham Knight.

The PS Plus Collection is so far under 20 games, mostly stuff people already played if they had a PS4. Persona 5 isn't even the Royal one.

The PS plus collection isn’t Sony’s answer to Gamepass so probably unfair to compare the two.

I think they’ll end up merging the PS + and PSNow into a single subscription and you’d have something more comparable - I think gamepass will be more comprehensive and will still offer better value but you’ll still have access to hundreds of old games on both consoles.

B.A._Baracus · 23-09-2020 1:29pm

WhenPigsCry wrote: »

MGS hd is gone. Orta is going and one RareReplay is going too. Ninja Gaiden Black and Zone of the enders aren't on there, maybe they left already. This is the downside of GamePass.

But they were on it.
Games leave PS Now too. Just the nature of deals.

Would be handy to have a site or app that tells you when and what are leaving soon actually. Least gamepass has a section for that. Ps now has nothing. Just have to individually check games.

Penn · 23-09-2020 1:31pm

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

But they were on it.
Games leave PS Now too. Just the nature of deals.

Would be handy to have a site or app that tells you when and what are leaving soon actually. Least gamepass has a section for that. Ps now has nothing. Just have to individually check games.

I really must actually check out PS Now. I've never taken too deep a look into what games are on it. Maybe it's just constantly been in my head that "It's not Gamepass..."

B.A._Baracus · 23-09-2020 1:38pm

Penn wrote: »

I really must actually check out PS Now. I've never taken too deep a look into what games are on it. Maybe it's just constantly been in my head that "It's not Gamepass..."

I subscribe to both and honestly? GamePass is better.

That's not to say Ps now is bad. It's just I find you get more quality games on gamepass and you can download every game. Alot of the old titles ps now are stream only. So forget about doing that if someone else is watching Netflix in the house etc. Very temperamental I found.

But it's still worth it as long as you get your use out of it. I recently completed Control and Killzone thanks to it. I say give it a shot and see.

McFly85 · 23-09-2020 1:44pm

Penn wrote: »

I really must actually check out PS Now. I've never taken too deep a look into what games are on it. Maybe it's just constantly been in my head that "It's not Gamepass..."

I’ve actually just gone on at lunch to have a look. Just looking at downloadable titles it’s pretty good, there’s a big enough selection. It does include fallout 4, 2 wolfenstein games, prey, the elder scrolls online and doom, but I guess they’ll be gone soon

Retr0gamer · 23-09-2020 1:47pm

How is the lag on PS Now? That would honestly kill it for me if it's bad in the likes of Hollow Knight or Cuphead.

B.A._Baracus · 23-09-2020 1:52pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

How is the lag on PS Now? That would honestly kill it for me if it's bad in the likes of Hollow Knight or Cuphead.

Only PS2 and PS3 games are streaming only. One or two can be the exception to that rule (such as primal on PS2 is download for some reason) however most are streaming. PS4 games are all downloadable.

Quality depends on what else is using the network. If it's just you and streaming you should be grand. If something else is happening? It will prompt you that your stream is too poor.

Rattlehead_ie · 23-09-2020 2:09pm

Having owned a PS4 last gen and gamed on that or gaming PC. This time around things are starting to sway slightly toward XB for me this gen. The MS eco-system, coupled with games pass on both platforms and the games makes it easier for me to dip in and out of. The only thing going for the PS5 for me right now is HZD2 and thats not even a release title.

Markitron · 23-09-2020 2:16pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

How is the lag on PS Now? That would honestly kill it for me if it's bad in the likes of Hollow Knight or Cuphead.

I just finished playing through Code Veronica X and honestly you wouldn't notice the difference. I have roughly a 100 Mb/s connection and I wasn't sharing it with anything/anyone though, YMMV though.

It has a 1 week free trial to test it yourself.

Rattlehead_ie wrote: »

Having owned a PS4 last gen and gamed on that or gaming PC. This time around things are starting to sway slightly toward XB for me this gen. The MS eco-system, coupled with games pass on both platforms and the games makes it easier for me to dip in and out of. The only thing going for the PS5 for me right now is HZD2 and thats not even a release title.

You can play Horizon 2 on your PS4

Rattlehead_ie · 23-09-2020 2:19pm

Markitron wrote: »

You can play Horizon 2 on your PS4

Well thats that then XB it is and keep the PS4 haha

Chris_Heilong · 23-09-2020 2:23pm

Rattlehead_ie wrote: »

Having owned a PS4 last gen and gamed on that or gaming PC. This time around things are starting to sway slightly toward XB for me this gen. The MS eco-system, coupled with games pass on both platforms and the games makes it easier for me to dip in and out of. The only thing going for the PS5 for me right now is HZD2 and thats not even a release title.

Is HZD2 not also coming to PS4, so yo can have your cake and eat it.

Markitron · 23-09-2020 3:04pm

Rattlehead_ie wrote: »

Well thats that then XB it is and keep the PS4 haha

Tbh, I actually believe them when they say this is a PS5 game. I imagine the PS4 version is going to be seriously compromised. I have a feeling this one is coming sooner than expected too, I am thinking May/June.

Penn · 23-09-2020 3:45pm

Markitron wrote: »

Tbh, I actually believe them when they say this is a PS5 game. I imagine the PS4 version is going to be seriously compromised. I have a feeling this one is coming sooner than expected too, I am thinking May/June.

I'm sure the PS4 version will still look glorious, and I doubt you'd miss too much in terms of not having whatever haptic feedback they put in for the Dualsense on PS5.

It's the load times that would be the bigger issue for me playing on PS4. They weren't bad on PS4 in HZD1, but it still takes you out of the game, especially later in the game when you're able to do more fast travelling. SHould be a hell of a lot better on PS5.

Gunmonkey · 23-09-2020 4:17pm

Markitron wrote: »

You can play Horizon 2 on your PS4

Plus, after the first game made the jump, a high probability it might come to PC at some stage after release too.

recyclops · 23-09-2020 4:29pm

Markitron wrote: »

Tbh, I actually believe them when they say this is a PS5 game. I imagine the PS4 version is going to be seriously compromised. I have a feeling this one is coming sooner than expected too, I am thinking May/June.

I think this and spiderman are getting the breath of the wild treatment originally developed for old tech and then bumped up onto the new one, they will throw in the haptic and force feedback to appease the new console and a slight upgrade with load times etc

Markitron · 23-09-2020 4:43pm

recyclops wrote: »

I think this and spiderman are getting the breath of the wild treatment originally developed for old tech and then bumped up onto the new one, they will throw in the haptic and force feedback to appease the new console and a slight upgrade with load times etc

I would agree with you with Spiderman but not Horizon. I expect that it was developed 100% with the PS5 in mind from day 1, even if I think this might hold it back. I expect it to be a lot more extensive than a quick port with minimal upgrades.

23-09-2020 7:50pm

Personally I think HZD was planned to launch around now (Sep/Oct) as a last hurrah for PS4 and then get a PS5 update a few months later.
But it got delayed, a combination of covid and/or normal development delays. Left them unsure of how to announce the game.

The way they've handled it has been clumsy and professionals don't do that if everything is going to plan.

There's no question it will be held back by the PS4. That doesn't mean it'll suffer as a game.

McFly85 · 23-09-2020 8:28pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Personally I think HZD was planned to launch around now (Sep/Oct) as a last hurrah for PS4 and then get a PS5 update a few months later.
But it got delayed, a combination of covid and/or normal development delays. Left them unsure of how to announce the game.

The way they've handled it has been clumsy and professionals don't do that if everything is going to plan.

There's no question it will be held back by the PS4. That doesn't mean it'll suffer as a game.

I think if it was originally supposed to launch around now it would have been announced last year.

I reckon it was designed as a PS5 game that’s been scaled back for PS4, but will have to wait and see.

Govannan · 24-09-2020 9:17pm

Horizon Forbidden West almost certainly began development targeting PS5 without knowing the exact specs. It was only announced 3 months ago, releasing 2021, which almost certainly means late 21, probably November.

johnny_ultimate · 24-09-2020 11:10pm

Storage is going to be a bloody nightmare next gen. Microsoft has revealed their 1TB storage expansions will cost over 200 quid... you’d genuinely have nearly gotten an Xbox Series S at that price. https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020-09-24-xbox-series-x-s-1tb-expandable-storage-costs-usd220

Mr Crispy · 24-09-2020 11:19pm

I can see much juggling and transferring between slow external storage and the onboard SSD.

CastorTroy · 24-09-2020 11:21pm

If the internet connection is better than PS4 then I don't mind deleting and downloading as I need.

sniper_samurai · 25-09-2020 12:37am

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Storage is going to be a bloody nightmare next gen. Microsoft has revealed their 1TB storage expansions will cost over 200 quid... you’d genuinely have nearly gotten an Xbox Series S at that price. https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020-09-24-xbox-series-x-s-1tb-expandable-storage-costs-usd220

It's worse here, Seagate have done a Dollar to GBP conversion instead of the normal Dollar to Euro conversion meaning it costs €250 here. It would probably work out cheaper buying it from Amazon US, even with the import fees and additional shipping costs.

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