PS5 or Xbox Series X ?

B.A._Baracus

Penn wrote: »

I really must actually check out PS Now. I've never taken too deep a look into what games are on it. Maybe it's just constantly been in my head that "It's not Gamepass..."

I subscribe to both and honestly? GamePass is better.

That's not to say Ps now is bad. It's just I find you get more quality games on gamepass and you can download every game. Alot of the old titles ps now are stream only. So forget about doing that if someone else is watching Netflix in the house etc. Very temperamental I found.

But it's still worth it as long as you get your use out of it. I recently completed Control and Killzone thanks to it. I say give it a shot and see.

McFly85

Penn wrote: »

I really must actually check out PS Now. I've never taken too deep a look into what games are on it. Maybe it's just constantly been in my head that "It's not Gamepass..."

I’ve actually just gone on at lunch to have a look. Just looking at downloadable titles it’s pretty good, there’s a big enough selection. It does include fallout 4, 2 wolfenstein games, prey, the elder scrolls online and doom, but I guess they’ll be gone soon

Retr0gamer

How is the lag on PS Now? That would honestly kill it for me if it's bad in the likes of Hollow Knight or Cuphead.

B.A._Baracus

Retr0gamer wrote: »

How is the lag on PS Now? That would honestly kill it for me if it's bad in the likes of Hollow Knight or Cuphead.

Only PS2 and PS3 games are streaming only. One or two can be the exception to that rule (such as primal on PS2 is download for some reason) however most are streaming. PS4 games are all downloadable.

Quality depends on what else is using the network. If it's just you and streaming you should be grand. If something else is happening? It will prompt you that your stream is too poor.

Rattlehead_ie

Having owned a PS4 last gen and gamed on that or gaming PC. This time around things are starting to sway slightly toward XB for me this gen. The MS eco-system, coupled with games pass on both platforms and the games makes it easier for me to dip in and out of. The only thing going for the PS5 for me right now is HZD2 and thats not even a release title.

Markitron

Retr0gamer wrote: »

How is the lag on PS Now? That would honestly kill it for me if it's bad in the likes of Hollow Knight or Cuphead.

I just finished playing through Code Veronica X and honestly you wouldn't notice the difference. I have roughly a 100 Mb/s connection and I wasn't sharing it with anything/anyone though, YMMV though.

It has a 1 week free trial to test it yourself.

Rattlehead_ie wrote: »

Having owned a PS4 last gen and gamed on that or gaming PC. This time around things are starting to sway slightly toward XB for me this gen. The MS eco-system, coupled with games pass on both platforms and the games makes it easier for me to dip in and out of. The only thing going for the PS5 for me right now is HZD2 and thats not even a release title.

You can play Horizon 2 on your PS4

Rattlehead_ie

Markitron wrote: »

You can play Horizon 2 on your PS4

Well thats that then XB it is and keep the PS4 haha

Chris_Heilong

Rattlehead_ie wrote: »

Having owned a PS4 last gen and gamed on that or gaming PC. This time around things are starting to sway slightly toward XB for me this gen. The MS eco-system, coupled with games pass on both platforms and the games makes it easier for me to dip in and out of. The only thing going for the PS5 for me right now is HZD2 and thats not even a release title.

Is HZD2 not also coming to PS4, so yo can have your cake and eat it.

Markitron

Rattlehead_ie wrote: »

Well thats that then XB it is and keep the PS4 haha

Tbh, I actually believe them when they say this is a PS5 game. I imagine the PS4 version is going to be seriously compromised. I have a feeling this one is coming sooner than expected too, I am thinking May/June.

Penn

Markitron wrote: »

Tbh, I actually believe them when they say this is a PS5 game. I imagine the PS4 version is going to be seriously compromised. I have a feeling this one is coming sooner than expected too, I am thinking May/June.

I'm sure the PS4 version will still look glorious, and I doubt you'd miss too much in terms of not having whatever haptic feedback they put in for the Dualsense on PS5.

It's the load times that would be the bigger issue for me playing on PS4. They weren't bad on PS4 in HZD1, but it still takes you out of the game, especially later in the game when you're able to do more fast travelling. SHould be a hell of a lot better on PS5.

Gunmonkey

Markitron wrote: »

You can play Horizon 2 on your PS4

Plus, after the first game made the jump, a high probability it might come to PC at some stage after release too.

recyclops

Markitron wrote: »

Tbh, I actually believe them when they say this is a PS5 game. I imagine the PS4 version is going to be seriously compromised. I have a feeling this one is coming sooner than expected too, I am thinking May/June.

I think this and spiderman are getting the breath of the wild treatment originally developed for old tech and then bumped up onto the new one, they will throw in the haptic and force feedback to appease the new console and a slight upgrade with load times etc

Markitron

recyclops wrote: »

I think this and spiderman are getting the breath of the wild treatment originally developed for old tech and then bumped up onto the new one, they will throw in the haptic and force feedback to appease the new console and a slight upgrade with load times etc

I would agree with you with Spiderman but not Horizon. I expect that it was developed 100% with the PS5 in mind from day 1, even if I think this might hold it back. I expect it to be a lot more extensive than a quick port with minimal upgrades.

Personally I think HZD was planned to launch around now (Sep/Oct) as a last hurrah for PS4 and then get a PS5 update a few months later.
But it got delayed, a combination of covid and/or normal development delays. Left them unsure of how to announce the game.

The way they've handled it has been clumsy and professionals don't do that if everything is going to plan.

There's no question it will be held back by the PS4. That doesn't mean it'll suffer as a game.

McFly85

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Personally I think HZD was planned to launch around now (Sep/Oct) as a last hurrah for PS4 and then get a PS5 update a few months later.
But it got delayed, a combination of covid and/or normal development delays. Left them unsure of how to announce the game.

The way they've handled it has been clumsy and professionals don't do that if everything is going to plan.

There's no question it will be held back by the PS4. That doesn't mean it'll suffer as a game.

I think if it was originally supposed to launch around now it would have been announced last year.

I reckon it was designed as a PS5 game that’s been scaled back for PS4, but will have to wait and see.

Govannan

Horizon Forbidden West almost certainly began development targeting PS5 without knowing the exact specs. It was only announced 3 months ago, releasing 2021, which almost certainly means late 21, probably November.

johnny_ultimate

Storage is going to be a bloody nightmare next gen. Microsoft has revealed their 1TB storage expansions will cost over 200 quid... you’d genuinely have nearly gotten an Xbox Series S at that price. https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020-09-24-xbox-series-x-s-1tb-expandable-storage-costs-usd220

Mr Crispy

I can see much juggling and transferring between slow external storage and the onboard SSD.

CastorTroy

If the internet connection is better than PS4 then I don't mind deleting and downloading as I need.

sniper_samurai

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Storage is going to be a bloody nightmare next gen. Microsoft has revealed their 1TB storage expansions will cost over 200 quid... you’d genuinely have nearly gotten an Xbox Series S at that price. https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020-09-24-xbox-series-x-s-1tb-expandable-storage-costs-usd220

It's worse here, Seagate have done a Dollar to GBP conversion instead of the normal Dollar to Euro conversion meaning it costs €250 here. It would probably work out cheaper buying it from Amazon US, even with the import fees and additional shipping costs.

Damo 2k9

sniper_samurai wrote: »

It's worse here, Seagate have done a Dollar to GBP conversion instead of the normal Dollar to Euro conversion meaning it costs €250 here. It would probably work out cheaper buying it from Amazon US, even with the import fees and additional shipping costs.

Be better off buying another Series S at that point, rather than paying euro prices.

You wont have to change discs to play a different game....just change consoles :pac:

RasTa

The PS5 really is an ugly looking beast.

WhenPigsCry

sniper_samurai wrote: »

It's worse here, Seagate have done a Dollar to GBP conversion instead of the normal Dollar to Euro conversion meaning it costs €250 here. It would probably work out cheaper buying it from Amazon US, even with the import fees and additional shipping costs.

I think that is just with VAT added rather than a straight 1:1 conversion. Sales tax in US is a state by state thing.

Unfortunately expensive storage is inevitable with these systems. They're both using fast flash, quite a bit more expensive than the budget stuff you find in a €50 SATA SSD.

The Xbox uses slower flash (than the PS5) which in theory should be cheaper. But the flip-side is that the PS5 uses non-proprietary NVMe so you're going to have multiple manufacturers in competition.

I prefer the Sony solution, non-proprietary is always going to be cheaper and better for consumers. Particularly in the long run.

Retr0gamer

Yeah I can see MS keeping the storage prices high. I still remember the absolute rip off prices for their 360 hard disks. And lets not go into PS Vita storage cards.

sniper_samurai

WhenPigsCry wrote: »

I think that is just with VAT added rather than a straight 1:1 conversion. Sales tax in US is a state by state thing.

It isn't. The price of the ssd in dollars plus the average EU VAT rate is roughly €229.

It is normal for companies to just change the sign before the price from dollar to euro, Seagate decided to change it to GBP instead.

Stone Deaf 4evr

Not my cup of tea, but I know some folks are seriously addicted, Football Manager 21 coming to xbox platform

https://www.sportbible.com/football/gaming-fm21-release-date-confirmed-and-itll-be-on-xbox-20200925

RasTa

https://www.smythstoys.com/ie/en-ie/video-games-and-tablets/playstation-5/playstation-5-consoles/playstation-5-digital-edition-console/p/191430

Serious issues trying to get a PS5 on smyths atm in Ireland. Surely half of this is scalpers?

Oat23

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

Not my cup of tea, but I know some folks are seriously addicted, Football Manager 21 coming to xbox platform

https://www.sportbible.com/football/gaming-fm21-release-date-confirmed-and-itll-be-on-xbox-20200925

Football manager with a controller should be illegal.



Great for people without a PC if they can hook up a keyboard & mouse, though? You'd like to think it will be an option. Mods certainly won't be available which would take away from the experience slightly.

titan18

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Storage is going to be a bloody nightmare next gen. Microsoft has revealed their 1TB storage expansions will cost over 200 quid... you’d genuinely have nearly gotten an Xbox Series S at that price. https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020-09-24-xbox-series-x-s-1tb-expandable-storage-costs-usd220

Think that kills the Series S for me.

512Gb is feck all for games, so you'd need to buy the storage expansion imo with that. If it was 1TB, you'd manage with deleting and downloading, but 512 GB could be 3-4 games only depending on what ones (if you buy CoD, Cyberpunk and AC, i'd say you won't have much left).

With the storage expansion there, you might as well just buy the Series X