PS5 or Xbox Series X ?

Markitron

RasTa wrote: »

I can't get over the size of the PS5 in that breakdown video. Compared to say the Switch. There must be some shame felt in Japan at this design? It looks like a PC

Why would you compare a high-end 2020 console with a 2017 handheld?

Retr0gamer

Markitron wrote: »

Why would you compare a high-end 2020 console with a 2017 handheld?

Because it's a strange console for a japanese company to make. The Switch is perfectly designed for the japanese home where space is at an absolute premium. The PS5 on the other hand, japanese people will seriously be looking at this and considering if they have room to fit it into their tiny apartment. It was a big reason for the relative failure of the PS3 over there.

I pretty much think the reason it's so big is that the hardware development has now moved to America where those concerns aren't an issue. It can be downsized later but the concern is to match the XBox. Japan's home console market is quite small now compared to PS2 games and the Switch and Mobile are dominating that market as they are a much better fit for it.

It's huge because people said they wanted a quiet console. So that's what you get. Maybe the designers were bollocked over the noise of PS4 Pro because it's almost sarcastically large. I have no doubt it will be very quiet.

TitianGerm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's huge because people said they wanted a quiet console. So that's what you get. Maybe the designers were bollocked over the noise of PS4 Pro because it's almost sarcastically large. I have no doubt it will be very quiet.

Using high quality fans make something quiet not making the box massive.

You can pop a 2080Ti, PSU, MB, CPU, Cooler and Ram in a small form factor case and they can be near silent and not overheat.

Something like this caught my eye

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/thorzone/mjolnir-the-minimalistic-but-not-boring-pc-case?ref=project_link

Retr0gamer

It's the nature of console design. It's running on chips that were finalised over a year ago maybe 2 years to be competitive at launch. Meaning they were powerful but inefficient then. Comparing them to current mature pc hardware isn't fair. Also bigger fans make less noise.

TitianGerm

TitianGerm wrote: »

Using high quality fans make something quiet not making the box massive.

I agree with you, I said as much previously. There are simple ways of making something quiet and Sony have gone for a risky and (imo) over-engineered solution.

Nevertheless, that's the reason it is huge, from Sony's perspective. The white panels are the system putting it's elbows out to reserve space around it. The optical drive is thicker due to anti-vibration mounts.

The heatsink takes up a lot of the floorplan due to the extra fin section, that and seems to be a major culprit because it has restricted how neatly the other components fit togther. You look at a picture like this and it is obvious how much empty space is inside the system:

CatInABox

With only a month to go to the launch of the Series X/S, I have to admit that I'm looking forward to it now, more than I thought that I would.

Anyway, Sony have detailed their BC plans.

https://twitter.com/PlayStation/status/1314630796641210373

Great to see, but I'm going to miss all those weirdos going around the internet telling everyone that "PS5 BC will only have support for 100 games!!!".

Mr Crispy

I'd still like to know exactly which PS4 games will take advantage of Game Boost though.

EoinMcLovin

Mr Crispy wrote: »

I'd still like to know exactly which PS4 games will take advantage of Game Boost though.

Ghost of Tsushima is the only I know of so far
https://twitter.com/SuckerPunchProd/status/1314641549406265346?s=19

Mr Crispy

EoinMcLovin wrote: »

Ghost of Tsushima is the only I know of so far
https://twitter.com/SuckerPunchProd/status/1314641549406265346?s=19

Yeah, I thought we'd have seen more announcements by now. Having all the PS Plus Collection games benefit from Game Boost would have been a great marketing ploy - the best games of PS4, better than ever.

Zero-Cool

Mr Crispy wrote: »

Yeah, I thought we'd have seen more announcements by now. Having all the PS Plus Collection games benefit from Game Boost would have been a great marketing ploy - the best games of PS4, better than ever.

I'm still hoping that's the case particularly for Bloodborne, Days Gone and God of War boosts.

Retr0gamer

Bloodborne is the only one that matters.

Zero-Cool

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Days Gone is the only one that matters.

Ah Bloodborne is alright as well.

kingbowser

The PS5 breakdown ... Has everything including the kitchen sink in there. Was expecting to see him pull a hamster on a wheel out of it. I think it looks yuck compared to new Xbox internal and external designs. I suppose you could put it next to the tumble dryer in the utility room Hopefully it's quiet and cool.

PS4 pro was ugly and noisy too but none of that seemed to hit sales at all. Still, made me get an Xbox one x which is quiet and subtle. Definitely would think about PS5 if it's quiet and has good backward compatibility cause there's quite a few PS games I'd like to play.

daheadonu

Retr0gamer wrote:

Bloodborne is the only one that matters.

Would that not require some backend work to get it stable though,maybe they did it while working on the bloodborne pc port:-)

Retr0gamer

daheadonu wrote: »

Would that not require some backend work to get it stable though,maybe they did it while working on the bloodborne pc port:-)

Who cares as long as it's 60 FPS

CastorTroy

For anyone getting both, at least they get an extra week to play around with the X/S before the PS5 gets released

CatInABox

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Bloodborne is the only one that matters.

Here's 60 fps Bloodbourne on a PS4 Pro Retro, thought you might be interested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0tqppZDYxw

Vicxas

FROM Software games always seem to have issues with 60fps, I remember having to use the 60fps unlock option for DS1 on PC

Retr0gamer

Vicxas wrote: »

FROM Software games always seem to have issues with 60fps, I remember having to use the 60fps unlock option for DS1 on PC

For console peons. I've been enjoying 60 FPS goodness since Dark Souls 2

CatInABox

The first example of MS using some special technique to override the locked 30 fps and bring a game up to 60 fps has been shown, Fallout 4 running at 60fps on the Series S.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GnvSNA-1DY

Continually impressed by what MS has achieved with their BC program.

quokula

Even if it's 8k at 240fps, why would anyone want to waste their time playing Fallout 4 on a new console? Sure, it's technically impressive what they've made work, but I just don't see the point.

Retr0gamer

CatInABox wrote: »

Continually impressed by what MS has achieved with their BC program.

I'm not.

If they give us Jet Set Radio Future and Otogi 1 and 2 then I might be.

I'm not bitter.

CatInABox

quokula wrote: »

Even if it's 8k at 240fps, why would anyone want to waste their time playing Fallout 4 on a new console? Sure, it's technically impressive what they've made work, but I just don't see the point.

I'm not going to be rushing back to Fallout 4, it's just an example. I've recently kicked off a Mass Effect playthrough though, and that's a 360 game.

To be honest, any game that I really enjoyed, I could go back to at any time.

quokula

quokula wrote: »

Even if it's 8k at 240fps, why would anyone want to waste their time playing Fallout 4 on a new console? Sure, it's technically impressive what they've made work, but I just don't see the point.

I don't specifically want to play Fallout 4 but there are quite a few current gen titles that I would like to play again, or have not even played yet.

If they're patching them to look better and run better, for free, that can only be a good thing.

Retr0gamer

I wonder where Microsoft see the benefit of doing this. Not that I'm complaining, I think it's great. The amount of effort they put in is insane, just look at the FF13 series remasters, it's pretty much a brand new build of the game you are playing. Sony don't go to this much trouble other than with their own games that straddle a generation and really they don't have to.

wes

I assume its to make Game pass all the more valuable.

Homelander

quokula wrote: »

Even if it's 8k at 240fps, why would anyone want to waste their time playing Fallout 4 on a new console? Sure, it's technically impressive what they've made work, but I just don't see the point.

Because Fallout 4 is a good game, and the game ran like absolute dog**** on the base PS4 and Xbox, including the Pro and One X, because of the weak CPU's and how Fallout's Creation Engine is heavily single thread dependent.

It was 30fps cap but at times it dropped to about 10-15fps.

A solid 60fps is a radically different experience, would be enough for plenty to go and revisit or pick it up again or whatever.

Zero-Cool

I'm playing fallout 76 atm (actually really enjoying it as a new player with all the stuff they've added) but it looks awful. Whatever about the poor performance on the ps4 pro, it just looks bad. I read a review recently where they said the game can look as good as RDR 2 sometimes, clearly played with some mods or they remember RDR 2 very differently. I remember Witcher 3 making me realise how bad Fallout 4 looked. If ever a franchise needed a new engine, it's FO.

Homelander

Are you playing on PC? I'm playing on PC at the moment and I think it actually looks pretty good. Excellent draw distances, much more open map than Fallout 4 and the lines of sight seem much better. Don't get me wrong, it's not what I'd call beautiful, but 76 is easily the best looking and most open-world feeling Fallout yet.

I am playing at native 4K though with everything set to ultra.

I did play it on Xbox One X initially, and it wasn't great on that. Considering it was the most powerful console version, and putting aside the chuggy framerate issues and weird motion, even visually there was a ton of pop-in and distance issues.

Zero-Cool

Homelander wrote: »

Are you playing on PC?

PS4 Pro.

Homelander

Yeah, one of the biggest issues with the consoles is that the Creation Engine used is pretty horrible, and it's heavily single thread reliant.

It's why Fallout 4 ran way better on a cheap Intel dual core i3 than AMD's - at the time - $800 monster FX-9590 8 core processor.

Both the Xbox and PS4 use AMD 8-core Jaguar processors which are based on that old tech. It's the biggest handicap of the PS4 and Xbox, including Pro/X variants.

I know from playing F76 on Xbox One v Xbox One, it is massively better on the One X, though the same framerate problems exist because of the CPU.

garrkell

SeriesX for GamePass/Multiplats/Exclusives.

Discounted PS5 down the line for the few exclusives

Mr.Fantastic

Debating on whether to get an xbox series S aswell as the ps5 for gamepass and the likes.

Feel like it might be too indulgent and also feel like the s will be left in the dust after a few years and not be future proofed.

Retr0gamer

Xbox series launch line up is up now.

Absolutely nothing new or unique to the console line up.

So by default the worst launch line up ever.

Vicxas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TBPrYJDoDE

PS5 user interface is revealed.

CatInABox

Vicxas wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TBPrYJDoDE

PS5 user interface is revealed.

Looks great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TBPrYJDoDE

Kinda funny how some of it's quite like the launch Xbox One UI, with the help cards that can be "snapped" to the side. MS have basically abandoned all that functionality over the years, the hardware just couldn't support it.

johnny_ultimate

Reading the impressions and launch news about the Series X and it sounds like an impressive piece of hardware with some serious brute force. But it almost sounds more like a GPU upgrade than a new console upgrade. The idea of booting up a favourite game with new resolution and frame rate as the main launch day treat sounds very like a new graphics card day to me!

Vicxas

God i miss new GFX card day.

Zero-Cool

Vicxas wrote: »

God i miss new GFX card day.

I don't. Save for months, buy a shiny new gfx card, get a new game to go along with it, install it, get drivers, install game... "You can play on medium settings" I was always like a gen behind, could never get one good enough to run high/ultra settings. I do miss messing around with pc parts though.

kingbowser

Series X is a long term proposition for MS. It looks like the really nailed the architecture for this. Including backward compatibility, series s, series x and future hardware releases. Looks like it's really well designed, quiet and powerful. Very impressive engineering behind this. I'm truly amazed how we have such power for such a low price.

It's ridiculous what we take for granted and nit pick. Most people, including myself are just consumers of this stuff. This is incredibly sustained hard word, focus, teamwork and genius over many years.

brady12

So Iv a ps4 and the ps4 gold headset . Iv the ps5 pre ordered and Because of the Bethesda takeover , game pass and the feeling that Microsoft are hammering Sony on new gen front I’m Defo going to buy one of the new Xbox’s aswel .i like my gold headset but any suggestions of what I’m going to do head set wise to get something to that I can use on ps5 / new x box ?

sniper_samurai

brady12 wrote: »

So Iv a ps4 and the ps4 gold headset . Iv the ps5 pre ordered and Because of the Bethesda takeover , game pass and the feeling that Microsoft are hammering Sony on new gen front I’m Defo going to buy one of the new Xbox’s aswel .i like my gold headset but any suggestions of what I’m going to do head set wise to get something to that I can use on ps5 / new x box ?

Best options for wireless headsets compatible with both formats are the Steelseries Arctis 7x(€179), Arctis 1 Wireless for Xbox(€130)(both Steelseries are also compatible wirelessly with Switch) or the Astro A20 Gen 2(requires purchase of 2nd dongle, headset is €120 additional PS or Xbox dongle is €20).

brav

brady12 wrote: »

So Iv a ps4 and the ps4 gold headset . Iv the ps5 pre ordered and Because of the Bethesda takeover , game pass and the feeling that Microsoft are hammering Sony on new gen front I’m Defo going to buy one of the new Xbox’s aswel .i like my gold headset but any suggestions of what I’m going to do head set wise to get something to that I can use on ps5 / new x box ?

The Steelseries 7X seems to get the best reviews, made for Xbox but adapter avail e for it to work with PS and Xbox

A review of different ones at different et price ranges here:
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-best-gaming-headset-for-pc-xbox-one-ps4-switch-7032

recyclops

Yeah i am going to settle on the arctis 1 for xbox, the support on their site advised me it will work with pulse 3d so save myself 70 or so quid and get them instead

ShadowHearth

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Reading the impressions and launch news about the Series X and it sounds like an impressive piece of hardware with some serious brute force. But it almost sounds more like a GPU upgrade than a new console upgrade. The idea of booting up a favourite game with new resolution and frame rate as the main launch day treat sounds very like a new graphics card day to me!

I actually really love this about new xbox and you kind of nailed it. Its like having your new or upgraded PC, so you can play games you love and already playing, but they run better and look better. I prefer this way more to launch of PS4/xbox one back in the day. Where you had to play, whatever is out for next 6 months, not what you want to play.

Then again, you cant please everyone. There will be people who will moan no matter what way new consoles launch. In my books, xbox launching console really damn well. On top of this, you have Game pass, so no shortage of what to play.

brady12

any reccomendations for a tv for nex gen? be using it for live sport on iptv too.

sniper_samurai

brady12 wrote: »

any reccomendations for a tv for nex gen? be using it for live sport on iptv too.

Depends on your price range and the tv size you want. Best tv for gaming atm is the LG CX OLED range, both the 48 inch and 55 inch models are currently €1600. Yields are poor for the 48 as they have to make 2 77 inch panels with every 2 48 inch panels on the mother glass causing supply issues and a high price, the glass for the 55 inch screens are made by themselves in batches of 8.

brady12

brady12 wrote: »

any reccomendations for a tv for nex gen? be using it for live sport on iptv too.

I went with the Samsung Q70T. Cheaper than the Oled panels and full hdmi 2.1

sniper_samurai

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I went with the Samsung Q70T. Cheaper than the Oled panels and full hdmi 2.1

The Q70T does not have the bells and whistles the LG Oleds have, it also only has 1 HDMI 2.1 port vs the LGs 4.