Dublin GAA Discussion Thread - Capital Punishment

gormdubhgorm · 13-03-2018 1:20pm

So according to Micko Dublin can't be considered a great team until they hammer a team in an AI final.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mick-odwyer-wont-call-dublin-a-really-great-team-until-they-pull-off-one-allireland-final-achievement-36699532.html

Of course, he leaves out questions of standards in the game.
And how the game has changed since the 1980's game management, possession and control etc.

But I think he does have a point to a certain extent.
But I would say to Micko be careful what you wish for!

Dublin hammering Kerry in an AI final might not be far away...

If Kerry get there of course....
I would be more afraid of Tipp!

Tombo2001 · 13-03-2018 1:25pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

So according to Micko Dublin can't be considered a great team until they hammer a team in an AI final.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mick-odwyer-wont-call-dublin-a-really-great-team-until-they-pull-off-one-allireland-final-achievement-36699532.html

Of course he leaves out questions of standards in the game and how the game has changed since the 1980's game management etc.

But I think he does have a point to a certain extent.
But I would say to Micko be careful what you wish for!

A Kerry hammering in an AI might not be far away...

If Kerry get there of course....
I would be more afraid of Tipp!

I think his point is well made to be honest. There was very very little between Dublin and Mayo in the last two all ireland finals - so if Dublin are a great team, are Mayo a great team also?

Compare them to say the Kilkenny team that won four in a row; the way that team absolutely destroyed Limerick in the final, and then Waterford the following year. Games that were both finished after 15 minutes. Dublin dont have that about them. Of course, to some extent it depends on the opposition....and Mayo are very strong, no doubt.

Ironically, his point is kind of beneficial to the Dubs. It runs against the notion that they are totally dominating the football scene (and that the game is suffering as a result), he is saying that that the very highest level, that Dublin havent dominated - that they have just gotten across the line when it comes to finals. And thats true.

copacetic · 13-03-2018 3:58pm

DDC1990 wrote: »

Dublin's looping back and forward is effective because the man who gives off the ball (often Fenton) changes their line to hit/bump the covering defender leaving the now ball carrier with that extra bit of space. Hence the third man tackle comment. It happened 2/3 time an attack in the second half. Refs aren't pulling it, so why stop doing it.

It's what happened in the Crowley/Fenton incident, but Crowley is the wrong guy to bodycheck. Having said that, Crowley may have been on his feet and Fenton on the ground after but Crowley was gasping for air. Two tough men neither of whom were going to take a step back.

That’s absolutely rubbish, Fenton laid the ball off a good 3/4 yards and Crowley was miles behind the ball nowhere near his man and took a step further away from the ball and dropped the shoulder/elbow directly to Fentons open body. It was a cheap cowardly attempt to injure Fenton and Crowley was at the same stuff all day. Clear from the stand that he took the step off his line to take him out and even clearer on TV replays when watching back. Even the commentators called it a cheap shot, just short of a red.

ProudDUB · 15-03-2018 3:25pm

Hope none of ye are from TD, or ye'd be getting a good kick in the arse for your carry on.

Bloody joke shop stuff ! :mad: :mad: :mad:

DoctaDee · 15-03-2018 4:27pm

ProudDUB wrote: »

Hope none of ye are from TD, or ye'd be getting a good kick in the arse for your carry on.

Bloody joke shop stuff ! :mad: :mad: :mad:

Thomas Davis PD ? .. whats the story there ..

Dyr · 15-03-2018 4:27pm

Fairly farcical alright

ProudDUB · 15-03-2018 5:03pm

Next meeting not until next Wednesday. I'd say the co board are saying rosaries we make the leage final now. Give them all some more breathing room. Muppetry of the highest order ! :rolleyes:

Bonniedog · 15-03-2018 5:08pm

What is the basis of their objection to the new championship set up?

ProudDUB · 15-03-2018 5:11pm

They've gotten their knickers in a twist about their grading.

Gael85 · 15-03-2018 5:16pm

TD has won one 1st round game in last 3 years. If there good they will win B championship. Was looking forward to seeing new championship format especially for intermediate and junior.

Gael85 · 15-03-2018 5:18pm

Bonniedog wrote: »

What is the basis of their objection to the new championship set up?

Because not in Senior A Championship. Gradings were done on teams performance in championship over last 5 years.

Bonniedog · 15-03-2018 5:40pm

ProudDUB wrote: »

They've gotten their knickers in a twist about their grading.

I knew they had been one of teams put into 'B' - and about time as there have been some embarrassing results in previous structure, not just Davis but other former giants like Isles - but wasn't sure what grounds they think they have other than their league status.

These things should be sorted out quickly without becoming major legal cases, which it might if they go to court to get an injunction against the SFC going ahead. Will make DCB look like a joke if it goes on much further with possibility of no games before annual suspension for county team reasons.

ProudDUB · 15-03-2018 5:42pm

One club being able to hold an entire county to ransom like this, is ridiculous. Whatever about the games not being played before the inter county break, the draws can't be done either, for both codes, so no one knows who they'll be playing, or what group they'll be in. Madness !

ProudDUB · 16-03-2018 10:36am

Great. As if the country didn't hate us enough already as it is.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dra-ruling-on-thomas-davis-case-set-to-have-impact-on-rest-of-country-36710681.html

bruschi · 16-03-2018 12:47pm

ProudDUB wrote: »

Great. As if the country didn't hate us enough already as it is.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dra-ruling-on-thomas-davis-case-set-to-have-impact-on-rest-of-country-36710681.html

in fairness, I think the most of the country knows to separate a club from a county and in the case most particularly on Thomas Davisand their recent history.

I'm not understanding what they are opposing though? I get they are miffed that they arent Senior A, but how does the intermediate and junior teams being put to an all county league basis then mean they have no teams competing? Is it being pedantic over a rule or wording that is vague enough but every club in every county just gets on with things with no fuss?

KrustyUCC · 16-03-2018 12:57pm

Bit of a strange case even if they may technically be right on wording

I'm sure the Dublin County Board can give them sure assurances about representation and motions etc

Plenty of Counties Split Grades

In Cork we have Senior, Premier Intermediate, Intermediate A, Junior A, Junior B and C championships at County Level

In fact there is a proposal to now add another Junior grade so we would have Senior, Premier Intermediate, Intermediate A, Super Junior, Junior A, Junior B and C championships at County Level

Any reason why they are stopping second teams play Intermediate or Junior?

Bonniedog · 16-03-2018 5:07pm

Probably a stupid question, but are Parnell passes okay for Sunday seen as Dublin are at home?

DoctaDee · 16-03-2018 5:17pm

Bonniedog wrote: »

Probably a stupid question, but are Parnell passes okay for Sunday seen as Dublin are at home?

Nah BD, youre paying for everything other than regular league matches

PARlance · 16-03-2018 5:29pm

bruschi wrote: »

in fairness, I think the most of the country knows to separate a club from a county and in the case most particularly on Thomas Davisand their recent history.

I'm not understanding what they are opposing though? I get they are miffed that they arent Senior A, but how does the intermediate and junior teams being put to an all county league basis then mean they have no teams competing? Is it being pedantic over a rule or wording that is vague enough but every club in every county just gets on with things with no fuss?

From what I gather, they're claiming that they are no longer in any "proper" championship, and to that extent, they may be right. None of their teams would go on to represent their County if successful.

The Senior B should really just be called the Intermediate, that's what it seems to be, in reality. Downgrade every other code and duck for cover....

The B & C team / seperate Championship is a bit odd but I can see the merits in a County were you could have some very strong B,C etc teams dominating intermediate, junior clubs.

Bonniedog · 16-03-2018 5:32pm

DoctaDee wrote: »

Nah BD, youre paying for everything other than regular league matches

Anyone got the number for Davis'? Might take this one to the DRC

ProudDUB · 16-03-2018 5:33pm

Bonniedog wrote: »

Probably a stupid question, but are Parnell passes okay for Sunday seen as Dublin are at home?

You have to get an actual ticket.

https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/senior-hurlers-to-face-tipp-in-parnell-park

Bonniedog · 16-03-2018 5:34pm

PARlance wrote: »

From what I gather, they're claiming that they are no longer in any "proper" championship, and to that extent, they may be right. None of their teams would go on to represent their County if successful.

The Senior B should really just be called the Intermediate, that's what it seems to be, in reality. Downgrade every other code and duck for cover....

The B & C team / seperate Championship is a bit odd but I can see the merits in a County were you could have some very strong B,C etc teams dominating intermediate, junior clubs.

There has been a SHC B championship in Dublin for a long time now, as there are in other counties.

That is generally accepted other than by jailhouse lawyers it would seem!

ArielAtom · 16-03-2018 11:22pm

http://www.sportsdra.ie/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/18.03.16-DRA-01-2018-and-DRA-02-2018-Final-Decision.pdf

All ok now.

Bonniedog · 16-03-2018 11:27pm

I don't want to tempt fate, but they might still take a court action!

Slattsy · 17-03-2018 5:37pm

Cuala in a bit of trouble.

Slattsy · 17-03-2018 5:45pm

And out of it now!

Dyr · 17-03-2018 5:48pm

No Piarsagh are a physical team and this ref is letting them away with a lot of stuff

Bret Hart · 17-03-2018 6:07pm

Goal Cuala

Fann Linn · 17-03-2018 6:07pm

Aint over yet!!!!!

Bret Hart · 17-03-2018 6:08pm

ET coming up.

Dublin GAA Discussion Thread - Capital Punishment

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