Terminator: Dark Fate Spoilers from post 983

Lorelli! · 09-03-2018 11:15am

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Plot details are being kept under wraps, although Cameron has said that the film will be a direct sequel to “Terminator 2: Judgment Day” since he played no part in the recent installments.

That's the best you could ask for. I really hope that they do the character John Connor justice because they made a mess of it after T2!

pixelburp · 09-03-2018 1:06pm

It's all well & good trying to distance himself and claim he had no part in the sequels, but Cameron had no qualms about shilling the fifth film and calling it a 'renaissance'.

Just wish they'd let the franchise die, it has had its time; I blame China here - didn't they prop up the box office takings for Terminator: Genisys (still a stupid name), with it otherwise being a big flop in all other major territories?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LqgdNVTcRA

seamus · 09-03-2018 1:24pm

Linda Hamilton & Arnold Schwarzenegger returning, but with new faces to "replace" them in a rebooted franchise.

Definitely sounds like they're going to try and pull a Star Trek on it, we'll see 20 minutes of footage with Arnie and Linda before some monumental time-travel gimmick that resets everything and creates just enough changes for us to forget that Linda & Arnie were ever involved.

Lorelli! · 09-03-2018 3:31pm

seamus wrote: »

Linda Hamilton & Arnold Schwarzenegger returning, but with new faces to "replace" them in a rebooted franchise.

Definitely sounds like they're going to try and pull a Star Trek on it, we'll see 20 minutes of footage with Arnie and Linda before some monumental time-travel gimmick that resets everything and creates just enough changes for us to forget that Linda & Arnie were ever involved.

I wouldn't like to see the whole film revolve around Linda Hamilton and Arnold Schwarzenegger but a sort of cameo appearance I think would be good as long as it was something relevant and not trying to fit them into the storyline for the sake of it.

Also i didn't find the time travel story gimmicky in T1 and T2 at all. It was in Genysis

but in T1 and T2, the charachters had depth and it was a great paradox.

I'm hoping that they will tell the story of John and his father Reese Kyle and the war against "the machines", that in T2, they somehow failed to prevent Judgement Day and maybe show how it came about. I can't remember but I think they tried to do that somewhat in the one with Christian Bale but it didn't work.

TerrorFirmer · 09-03-2018 4:06pm

I didn't think Genisys was quite that bad but honestly an actual new sequel to T2 bypassing everything that's come since would be entirely welcome.

They need one new incredible solid building block from which to move forward with the franchise. Passable entertainment and all as it was, Genisys was definitely not it.

pixelburp · 09-03-2018 4:30pm

Thing is; why? Whatever about the quality of the final products, surely 5 movies in we've covered about as much as this story can stretch to, it's scarcely a world with a range of possibilities; the Sarah Connor Chronicles (in)famously tried to expand the story out a little, between the factions of Machines and some decent characterisations of the Connors themselves, but that was probably enforced by the nature of serialised television. Where else can the movies go at this point, beyond endlessly resetting the timeline every time the copyright owners need a bump in their bank account?

I can't see a reason for this new film to exist beyond pure, rampant greed over a vaguely cherished, but thinly sketched franchise, one that now arguably has had more bad iterations than good ones.

Stone Deaf 4evr · 09-03-2018 4:38pm

Unpopular opinion here - i actually liked salvation, barring a few complete nonsensical bits like the giant mech being unheard & usb keys on the bikes, I felt it was pretty true to what was glimpsed at the start of the original movie. It was a pity they spoiled the one thing that would have been a major surprise in the trailer (sam worthingtons character being a terminator). It also ended on a note to suggest that Had John Connor been injured he could have had his consciousness uploaded into that endoskeleton, but we'll never see now as it'll never get a proper sequel.

seamus · 09-03-2018 5:09pm

I too enjoyed Salvation, but I think they went a bit too action-friendly, over-arming the human resistance. It's pretty insane how quickly your aircraft will become unusable junk when your supply lines are gone. There's no way you'd still be running Navy Seals-esque Operations several years after nuclear oblivion.

Likewise with the Terminators it's almost like they were trying to capture some of the audience from Transformers with the array of robots they had. Why not just H-Ks

Overall it had a lot of potential and was about the closest aligned to T2 of any of the sequels. But it was riddled with ridiculous and ultimately unnecessary plot devices. A field heart transplant? C'mon. Keep it simple, stupid.

09-03-2018 6:03pm

I'm actually kind of excited about this now...

Agent Coulson · 09-03-2018 8:15pm

Someone needs to Terminate this franchise and put it out of its misery and ours.

Slydice · 09-03-2018 8:23pm

It'll live!

Billy86 · 11-03-2018 12:37pm

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

I didn't think Genisys was quite that bad

I'm one of those people that has to see something through to the end once it starts, but Genysis is one of the only movies in my life that I have turned off halfway through watching.

CatFromHue · 11-03-2018 1:48pm

Yeah by the end of that film I didn't even want the machines to win, I wanted them both to lose!

AMKC · 12-03-2018 12:23am

Billy86 wrote: »

I'm one of those people that has to see something through to the end once it starts, but Genysis is one of the only movies in my life that I have turned off halfway through watching.

Ye I am like that too but can't stand Salvation for me it's the worst Terminator film. Genysis has its flaws but to me it's far better than Salvation.

EoinMcLovin · 14-04-2018 1:47pm

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Actor Gabriel Luna Is New Terminator

Luna will be joined by new costars Natalia Reyes, star of Lady, La Vendedora de Rosas, and Scream Queens’ Diego Boneta.

http://www.vulture.com/2018/04/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-actor-gabriel-luna-is-your-terminator.html

Slydice · 14-04-2018 3:03pm

I wonder what type he'll be.

Church on Tuesday · 14-04-2018 6:07pm

Should just let this die now.

As flawed and as unnecessary as T3 was, in the context of a viable timeline, it continued the story fairly well, setting up a new story to be told in the future war, which as fans, we all desperately wanted to see.

That film turned out to be Salvation, an absolutely missed opportunity.

Genysis was garbage, just glorified fan fiction.

The franchise is just a mess at this stage. The new trilogy of films could be good, but I highly doubt it.

Thargor · 14-04-2018 6:18pm

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

The franchise is just a mess at this stage. The new trilogy of films could be good, but I highly doubt it.

The time for films like T2 is gone, Hollywood isnt brave enough anymore to do anything non-PG for productions like this, you'll never see anything like the T1000 sticking a spike through the milk carton and the stepfather again, its all stupid cartoon gunplay with everyone missing each other.

Billy86 · 14-04-2018 9:20pm

Thargor wrote: »

The time for films like T2 is gone, Hollywood isnt brave enough anymore to do anything non-PG for productions like this, you'll never see anything like the T1000 sticking a spike through the milk carton and the stepfather again, its all stupid cartoon gunplay with everyone missing each other.

I'd recommend Logan for you. Really caught me off guard in that sense when comparing to the other superhero movies. I'm also not mad on the superhero craze (they're ok but just as background fluff for the most part), but that was incredible. EDIT: And very, very violent.

SimonTemplar · 14-04-2018 9:28pm

The Terminator franchise, like Jurassic Park franchise, needs to be left alone at this stage.

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SimonTemplar · 14-04-2018 9:52pm

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

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The drop in quality from T2 to T3 is stark.

Greyfox · 14-04-2018 9:53pm

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

T1 & T2 was plenty. Cameron made s good call stopping it there.

Although not a patch on 1&2 T3 was enjoyable with plenty of excellent action scenes, Salvation was flawed but quite good and the 1st half of Genysis was good before all the trying to explain the mumbo jumbo kicked in and the tv series is underrated. Now that Cameron is producing there's good reason to be hopeful

weemcd · 14-04-2018 11:40pm

Greyfox wrote: »

Although not a patch on 1&2 T3 was enjoyable with plenty of excellent action scenes, Salvation was flawed but quite good and the 1st half of Genysis was good before all the trying to explain the mumbo jumbo kicked in and the tv series is underrated. Now that Cameron is producing there's good reason to be hopeful

Absolutely spot on here. My thoughts exactly.

rockatansky · 15-04-2018 9:38am

T3 is the the worst of the films. Awful awful movie.

Slydice · 27-04-2018 8:45pm

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Keyzer · 01-05-2018 11:09am

They should have left this at T2 which, in my opinion, is an excellent film and rounded things off nicely.

T3 was a travesty.
T4 was slightly better than T3 but still garbage.
T5 is an utter joke of a film.

Goodshape · 01-05-2018 2:43pm

I just wish they'd stop trying to fit Schwarzenegger into the film(s).

There's still a good story in there somewhere but (probably) not with a 70 year old Terminator.

py2006 · 01-05-2018 5:24pm

Goodshape wrote: »

I just wish they'd stop trying to fit Schwarzenegger into the film(s).

There's still a good story in there somewhere but (probably) not with a 70 year old Terminator.

I wonder if he will do it now after his recent health scare

TerrorFirmer · 01-05-2018 6:35pm

Goodshape wrote: »

I just wish they'd stop trying to fit Schwarzenegger into the film(s).

There's still a good story in there somewhere but (probably) not with a 70 year old Terminator.

An even more valid point now that it's been pretty well proven that he's not much of a box office draw anyway.

Most of his recent films did fairly bad to medicore business. Terminator Genysis was the best performing by a mile and that was really trading on brand name and the mother of dragons.

Love the man and love his charisma but it's time to just cut him lose from this franchise.

BloodBath · 01-05-2018 6:41pm

Who in their right minds would go to see another Terminator movie. Every single 1 of them has been awful since T2.

That was almost 30 years ago!

01-05-2018 6:51pm

TerrorFirmer wrote:

Most of his recent films did fairly bad to medicore business. Terminator Genysis was the best performing by a mile and that was really trading on brand name and the mother of dragons.

No one went to it because she was starring, hell I'd bet that more people paid to see it for Jason Clarke than her. I don't mind the recent films, they're by the numbers and a lil bland but each has had a nugget of a good idea but constant rewrites seem to damage them. Bale's changes to Terminator 4 took an interesting idea and turned it into summer blockbuster by the numbers, I'd still like to see the film as originally intended as it seemed at least to be trying something interesting.

rockatansky · 01-05-2018 7:15pm

There's only ever going to be one way for fans of the series to get the movie they want, and that's for Cameron to get is ass back in the Directors chair. All this Exec Producer rubbish is just a bit part. There's absolutely no one else out there who can do can deliver to the standards of the first 2 films. He seems to be taking more of an interest in the series again. Maybe when he gets the rights back next year he'll hopefully decide to give it another go.

Wheeliebin30 · 01-05-2018 7:21pm

The future war depicted in T2 is all the fans have ever wanted.

Itssoeasy · 01-05-2018 7:28pm

sugarman wrote: »

Agreed.

They could even just shoehorn him in there as a human scientist or something on which the T-800 was modeled after in a cameo appearance / side plot.

Either way, Im still holding out for a semi decent film with Cameron, Hamilton and Schwarzenegger involved. It cant be any worse than the last 2 anyway.

That was a thing on the T3 DVD where it showed arnie as a person who the T-800 was designed after.

Defunkd · 01-05-2018 10:12pm

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

As flawed and as unnecessary as T3 was, in the context of a viable timeline, it continued the story fairly well, setting up a new story to be told in the future war, which as fans, we all desperately wanted to see.

Um, T3 is basically a copy of T2 but manages to pis* on important aspects of T/T2.

Film opens with footage of the future war.
Return to modern day to see a liquid metal terminator being sent to kill john connor and arnie-bot sent to protect him.
Liquid terminator kills cop and steals gun while arnie goes to a bar and steals black leather clothes and sunglasses.
Both machines find john at the same time and end up fighting each other with the liquid T getting the upper hand. This leads to a crosstown chase with john being followed by liquid t in a truck and arnie behind.
Arnie rescues john and the female lead, takes them out of town to hide and arm themselves which ends up in a shootout with police. The creator of skynet gets shot, dies, liquid t catches up with them, gets into a fight where arnie bot gets killed. He comes back at the last minute to kill the LT in a fiery climax, sacrificing himself. <--- that is a plot summary of T3. By no coincidence, it is a summary of T2 also.

T/T2 establish that JD was skynet's response to human attempts to shut it down. T3 says skynet started it; having turned psychopathic and genocidal for some unknown reason (T Gen says skynet sent robo john back in time to create skynet, meaning it created itself...from the future!). T3 says JD "is inevitable" despite 1/2 saying "there is no fate but that which we make" but if JD is inevitable, how the fcuk was JD just postponed?
It's nothing personal against your view but T3 is a pile of sh*t and the T franchise has more bad films than good ones in it...t3 being the first episode in the bout of diarrhea that it has become.

B.A._Baracus · 01-05-2018 10:20pm

Come on now, terminator 3 is a really good movie.
Sure the first two are better but it's a fairly good movie by itself. Just compare it to salvation it genysis

Dr Brown · 01-05-2018 10:57pm

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Come on now, terminator 3 is a really good movie.
Sure the first two are better but it's a fairly good movie by itself. Just compare it to salvation it genysis

Best thing about T3 is the ending.

Defunkd · 02-05-2018 10:50pm

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Come on now, terminator 3 is a really good movie.
Sure the first two are better but it's a fairly good movie by itself. Just compare it to salvation it genysis

Couldn't disagree more. There were a couple of interesting developments that, if fleshed out more, would have made it better: TX targerring lieutenants, etc; because no info was available on John; an anti-terminator terminator to destroy the reprogrammed t800's of the resistance.

But there was just far too much plot armour, forced humour and crappy writing for it to pass as a decent stand alone movie, much less a sequel/remake/reboot imo. TX nearly orgasms when she tastes John's blood...ffs.

bnt · 20-06-2018 11:13pm

The Daily Mail has some photos of Linda Hamilton and Mackenzie Davis on set in Madrid recently. Hamilton may be 61 now, but does not look like she's going to take any crap from anyone or anything, while Davis' character looks like she's been knocked around a fair bit. The article has a couple of minor plot spoilers.

Slydice · 20-06-2018 11:48pm

She looks good! MUST RESIST HOPE!

Padraig Mor · 21-06-2018 8:54am

bnt wrote: »

The Daily Mail has some photos of Linda Hamilton and Mackenzie Davis on set in Madrid recently. Hamilton may be 61 now, but does not look like she's going to take any crap from anyone or anything, while Davis' character looks like she's been knocked around a fair bit. The article has a couple of minor plot spoilers.

"looks as toned as she did in 1984 film".............presumably they mean the 1991 sequel. And, wow, Linda got old!

o1s1n · 21-06-2018 8:58am

sugarman wrote: »

Kind of yeah, it was only his voice tho.

There's a deleted scene with Arnie as a general in it isn't there? More than just his voice.

Hector Savage · 21-06-2018 9:12am

Didn't Linda Hamiltons character die off in the 3rd one ? whats she doing back ?

Christ can't they just let the ****ing franchise die allready ..

seamus · 21-06-2018 9:15am

Padraig Mor wrote: »

"looks as toned as she did in 1984 film".............presumably they mean the 1991 sequel. And, wow, Linda got old!

Bookmark this comment and come back to it in 27 years then look in the mirror at yourself

She looks great tbh, she could be a proper "oldschool action hero" alongside Willis, Stallone and Schwarzenegger.

Be nice to see this give her career a bit of a boost, though IIRC she struggles a little with mental illness, so perhaps she gets the work but is reluctant to take it on.

Hector Savage wrote: »

Didn't Linda Hamiltons character die off in the 3rd one ? whats she doing back ?

Christ can't they just let the ****ing franchise die allready ..

This movie is going to confuse the fnck out of everything.

James Cameron is picking up 30 years after the end of T2. He's basically dismissing the rest of the films that came after.

Tbh given that it's Cameron there's no doubt it's going to be visually amazing and probably has the most potential of any of them to be a worthy sequel to T2.

Hector Savage · 21-06-2018 9:44am

oh wow James Cameron!!

hmm my interest has suddenly gone up !!

chalkitdown1 · 21-06-2018 9:51am

Hector Savage wrote: »

oh wow James Cameron!!

hmm my interest has suddenly gone up !!

It's not James Cameron, it's Tim Miller (the director of Deadpool) that's at the helm.

Cameron is producing, like he has all the other bad Terminator films.:pac: The fact that this one has a decent director again gives me hope, though.

Padraig Mor · 21-06-2018 10:08am

seamus wrote: »

Bookmark this comment and come back to it in 27 years then look in the mirror at yourself

She looks great tbh, she could be a proper "oldschool action hero" alongside Willis, Stallone and Schwarzenegger. .

LOL, I'm well advanced into decrepitude already! Just think she looks even older than 61 there - or maybe it's deliberate for the film.

seamus · 21-06-2018 10:18am

Padraig Mor wrote: »

LOL, I'm well advanced into decrepitude already! Just think she looks even older than 61 there - or maybe it's deliberate for the film.

I actually agree, but that could also just be the paparazzi pictures being used by the Daily Mail. They choose the worst ones they can get on purpose - this is to try and provoke the celebrity into doing a "proper" interview with flashy photos to redeem themselves.

HandsomeBob · 22-06-2018 3:54pm

Hector Savage wrote: »

Didn't Linda Hamiltons character die off in the 3rd one ? whats she doing back ?

Christ can't they just let the ****ing franchise die allready ..

I believe the term is soft reboot. Seems to be only accepted if there's some massive fan service going on. In this case Cameron being back involved.

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