Ireland Team Talk XI: Team of nervoUS MOD warning Post 1

PCros · 19-10-2020 4:54pm

Now that this has gone to (possibly) Level 5 I wonder will the IRFU be granted an exemption?

aloooof · 19-10-2020 5:02pm

PCros wrote: »

Now that this has gone to (possibly) Level 5 I wonder will the IRFU be granted an exemption?

Seems like they will. From RTE:

RTÉ News understands that the GAA inter-county championships, elite sports and horseracing can take place during the Level 5 restrictions. Schools are also set to remain open.

ionadnapokot · 19-10-2020 5:24pm

Andy Farrrell press conference call
Allot of nothing said "Et cetera"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S6Z-219VvE
some clips from training
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icYa_lBFfEk
Is that Harry Byrne at 2:37?

UAEguy2020 · 19-10-2020 6:04pm

Btw shouldn’t we be getting a team sheet today? Didn’t Farrell have a knack of naming the team for the weekend at the beginning for the week? Or could it be something to do with waiting to see what happens with the covid regulations?

The Lost Sheep · 19-10-2020 6:07pm

UAEguy2020 wrote: »

Btw shouldn’t we be getting a team sheet today? Didn’t Farrell have a knack of naming the team for the weekend at the beginning for the week? Or could it be something to do with waiting to see what happens with the covid regulations?

Its only Monday. Early would be tomorrow after team have at least trained a few times during match week.

bilston · 19-10-2020 6:15pm

UAEguy2020 wrote: »

Btw shouldn’t we be getting a team sheet today? Didn’t Farrell have a knack of naming the team for the weekend at the beginning for the week? Or could it be something to do with waiting to see what happens with the covid regulations?

Don't think he announced the team this early...maybe tomorrow potentially

UAEguy2020 · 19-10-2020 6:33pm

Actually yeah it could be tomorrow, hopefully 42,Independenr,Times spill the beans soon though to confirm it could be tomorrow.

molloyjh · 19-10-2020 10:36pm

errlloyd wrote: »

With respect, that is unfortunately not how this works.

This is a contagious virus, there is no personal responsibility. The consequences of actions are felt on a population level, not a personal one.

Huh? Obv not the place, but where the consequences are felt are irrelevant. If I get drunk & run over a pedesteian, I'm not the one hit by the car, but its still my responsibility. Its mine because it was my actions that led to what happened. You are responsible for what you do. The consequences come from there, but you are still responsible for your actions. That numpty who went to a party the same day they got tested was 100% responsible for at least some of the spread at that party.

molloyjh · 19-10-2020 10:36pm

On a better note, THE RUGBY IS ON! WAHOO!!!!!!

19-10-2020 10:44pm

molloyjh wrote: »

On a better note, THE RUGBY IS ON! WAHOO!!!!!!

I guess I should release Micheál Martin's son

arsebiscuits1 · 20-10-2020 9:28am

molloyjh wrote: »

On a better note, THE RUGBY IS ON! WAHOO!!!!!!

This will make second lockdown bearable.

First time around it was really tough having the pubs shut and the sport cancelled.

Mercifully there is sport to look forward to now at least.

The caveat to that is we had supreme weather in lockdown one. Now it's cold and wet

OneLungDavy · 20-10-2020 9:32am

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

This will make second lockdown bearable.

First time around it was really tough having the pubs shut and the sport cancelled.

Mercifully there is sport to look forward to now at least.

The caveat to that is we had supreme weather in lockdown one. Now it's cold and wet

It's honestly cheered me right up on this miserable Tuesday morning. I was certain the rugby would be off again.

What is the justification for sport to go ahead?

Squidgy Black · 20-10-2020 9:41am

OneLungDavy wrote: »

It's honestly cheered me right up on this miserable Tuesday morning. I was certain the rugby would be off again.

What is the justification for sport to go ahead?

Elite sports, so presumably because they're all regularly being tested and they have the mechanisms/structures in place for protecting staff and players.

arsebiscuits1 · 20-10-2020 9:50am

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Elite sports, so presumably because they're all regularly being tested and they have the mechanisms/structures in place for protecting staff and players.

Presumably this yeah.

I'd wager the guys are all in camp 100% of the time until after the France game at least getting tested every few days

b.gud · 20-10-2020 10:02am

Is Sexton injured at the minute? I was looking at the photos of training last week on inpho and he was the only one, bar O'Mahony and Farrell who were isolating, that I noticed not in any of the photos

arsebiscuits1 · 20-10-2020 10:04am

b.gud wrote: »

Is Sexton injured at the minute? I was looking at the photos of training last week on inpho and he was the only one, bar O'Mahony and Farrell who were isolating, that I noticed not in any of the photos

Whole squad trained yesterday apparently

Leinstertomas · 20-10-2020 4:03pm

Team to be named tomorrow afternoon according to Murray Kinsella

The Parish King · 21-10-2020 9:24am

Leinstertomas wrote: »

Team to be named tomorrow afternoon according to Murray Kinsella

The team according to Thornley;

Ireland v Italy (possible): Stockdale; Keenan, Ringrose, Aki, Conway; Sexton (capt), Murray; Healy, Heffernan, John Ryan, Beirne, James Ryan, Stander, van der Flier, Doris. Replacements: Herring, Ed Byrne, Porter, Roux/Dillane, O’Mahony, Gibson-Park, Ross Byrne, Henshaw.

21-10-2020 9:52am

The Parish King wrote: »

The team according to Thornley;

Ireland v Italy (possible): Stockdale; Keenan, Ringrose, Aki, Conway; Sexton (capt), Murray; Healy, Heffernan, John Ryan, Beirne, James Ryan, Stander, van der Flier, Doris. Replacements: Herring, Ed Byrne, Porter, Roux/Dillane, O’Mahony, Gibson-Park, Ross Byrne, Henshaw.

Not a lot of experience there. We'll account for Italy, France on the other hand...

salmocab · 21-10-2020 9:57am

That must be the weakest front 5 for a long time in a proper international

21-10-2020 10:00am

Kelleher injured?

Paul Smeenus · 21-10-2020 10:30am

Yeah.

bilston · 21-10-2020 11:02am

Pretty much as expected, although I thought Herring might get the nod at hooker, but fair play to Dave Heffernen.

Podge_irl · 21-10-2020 11:12am

Ryan ahead of Porter?

molloyjh · 21-10-2020 11:20am

Podge_irl wrote: »

Ryan ahead of Porter?

Yeah, I dont see that being the case. I'd imagine Dillane would leapfrog Beirne too.

UAEguy2020 · 21-10-2020 11:21am

salmocab wrote: »

That must be the weakest front 5 for a long time in a proper international

I would say the most inexperienced more like it. Heffernan has been the best hooker in Ireland this season so deserving of his start. Ryan is meh but does his job well, Beirne is a very good option in the second row considering the absentee’s

D15er · 21-10-2020 11:36am

Podge_irl wrote: »

Ryan ahead of Porter?

Could only be because Porter isn't 100% yet after his injury.

Would like to see Heffernan get a run, Herring is grand but we know what he offers at this stage.

siltirocker · 21-10-2020 12:13pm

Pretty much as expected.

Would have expected the Connacht half backs on the bench, I think Marmion has proved himself countless times as an international 9, and Carty was been very good in Irish green/adds something different, but beyond that fair enough.

rayd3 · 21-10-2020 12:23pm

The poor aul journos have been having awful luck with their early leaked teams lately.

siltirocker · 21-10-2020 12:25pm

15. Jacob Stockdale (Ulster/Lurgan) 28 caps
14. Andrew Conway (Munster/Garryowen) 21 caps
13. Garry Ringrose (Leinster/UCD) 29 caps
12. Bundee Aki (Connacht/Galwegians) 26 caps
11. Hugo Keenan (Leinster/UCD) uncapped
10. Jonathan Sexton (Leinster/St Mary’s College) 91 caps Captain
9. Conor Murray (Munster/Garryowen) 81 caps
1. Cian Healy (Leinster/Clontarf) 98 caps
2. Rob Herring (Ulster/Ballynahinch) 11 caps
3. Andrew Porter (Leinster/UCD) 26 caps
4. Tadhg Beirne (Munster/Lansdowne) 13 caps
5. James Ryan (Leinster/UCD) 26 caps
6. Caelan Doris (Leinster/UCD) 2 caps
7. Will Connors (Leinster/UCD) uncapped
8. CJ Stander (Munster/Shannon) 41 caps

Replacements

16. Dave Heffernan (Connacht/Buccaneers) 1 cap
17. Ed Byrne (Leinster/UCD) uncapped
18. Finlay Bealham (Connacht/Corinthians) 9 caps
19. Ultan Dillane (Connacht/Corinthians) 15 caps
20. Peter O’Mahony (Munster/Cork Constitution) 67 caps
21. Jamison Gibson-Park (Leinster) uncapped
22. Ross Byrne (Leinster/UCD) 6 caps
23. Robbie Henshaw (Leinster/Buccaneers) 43 caps

salmocab · 21-10-2020 12:29pm

Connors noice

WhoamI2022 · 21-10-2020 12:31pm

Big calls
Gibson-Park on bench
Keenan on wing

Stan27 · 21-10-2020 12:36pm

Where is Marmion, on form he should start.
Delighted for Heffernan.
Great for connors too.
Henshaw needs a few games @ 15 for Leinster so he can try play there for Ireland.

sydthebeat · 21-10-2020 12:36pm

Thornley way out

arsebiscuits1 · 21-10-2020 12:39pm

4 debuts in the 23 is surely the highest for a 6N game in recent memory? I know circumstances are different but still that's fantastic to see.

Add to that the single cap for Heffernan and Doris (excluding his 4 minute debut) it's a really new feel to it.

First starts for Heff and Doris too if I'm not mistaken?

Kevski · 21-10-2020 12:43pm

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

4 debuts in the 23 is surely the highest for a 6N game in recent memory? I know circumstances are different but still that's fantastic to see.

Add to that the single cap for Heffernan and Doris (excluding his 4 minute debut) it's a really new feel to it.

First starts for Heff and Doris too if I'm not mistaken?

Doris started against Scotland and also came off the bench against England earlier in the year I think.

arsebiscuits1 · 21-10-2020 12:43pm

Some positive signs there in the pack too.

Heffernan is quite and under rated carrier and I think he has lovely hands. Could easily build a few strike plays around him.

Connors can do the lions share of the line speed and defensive work freeing up Doris to take on more ball.

Ryan and Stander had far too much of the responsibility for carrying so great to see potentially 2 more options there.

Connors and Beirne might make a formidable duo in defence. Can't think of anyone with a better chop tackle than Will and few can match Tadghs speed at getting over the ball.

Lineouts could be a cause for concern. None of the backrow would be standouts. Doris well capable of getting up at the front though

arsebiscuits1 · 21-10-2020 12:44pm

Kevski wrote: »

Doris started against Scotland and also came off the bench against England earlier in the year I think.

Sorry you're right he did start against Scotland but his cap against Scotland did last less than 4 minutes.

In my mind he's had one test match of significant experience to him

Clegg · 21-10-2020 12:56pm

Decent enough side considering the injury problems. Delighted for Keenan. His rise has been so quick. Was putting in good performances pre-lockdown, but they were middling league games. Upon the restart he went up another level so quickly. Started all our big games and performed well.

Only issues I have with the team are Sexton and POM. Italy at home is our easiest fixture so there's no better time to bed in a potential successor. And POM is a waste of a bench spot. Been in awful firm since the restart and was lucky to even make the wider squad.

sydthebeat · 21-10-2020 1:02pm

Clegg wrote: »

Decent enough side considering the injury problems. Delighted for Keenan. His rise has been so quick. Was putting in good performances pre-lockdown, but they were middling league games. Upon the restart he went up another level so quickly. Started all our big games and performed well.

Only issues I have with the team are Sexton and POM. Italy at home is our easiest fixture so there's no better time to bed in a potential successor. And POM is a waste of a bench spot. Been in awful firm since the restart and was lucky to even make the wider squad.

POM on the bench is a bit of a head scratcher alright. If we need one more try and there's 15 mins left, he's not exactly the back row player to open the field up.
Perhaps it's just lack of choice there really as VDFs main traits are more defensive than offensive.

Conan would make much more sense

awec · 21-10-2020 1:03pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

Thornley way out

Thornley furiously phoning his sources at this point in time I'd say.

mfceiling · 21-10-2020 1:16pm

Would Doris at 8 and CJ at 6 make more sense or am I way out?

sydthebeat · 21-10-2020 1:20pm

mfceiling wrote: »

Would Doris at 8 and CJ at 6 make more sense or am I way out?

Established 8, 9 and 10 for more direction off set piece I would think

molloyjh · 21-10-2020 1:45pm

Some interesting calls there. Don't think anyone can accuse Farrell of being conservative anyway. The only selection I'd disagree with is POM tbh. Would have thought Conan off the bench would have been more what we needed given we're looking for scores. But it's a very callow bench in the forwards at least so the experience and leadership is probably a big factor there.

molloyjh · 21-10-2020 1:48pm

mfceiling wrote: »

Would Doris at 8 and CJ at 6 make more sense or am I way out?

I would have thought so, but I suppose Doris doesn't have a huge amount of time at 8, especially in bigger games. As syd said, the experience of Stander there probably makes sense. It will be interesting to see how they plan to use POM though? Does he come in for Connors or onto the blindside? If its the latter, Doris could move to 8 potentially.

arsebiscuits1 · 21-10-2020 2:22pm

Just had a thought.

The anthems are gonna be weird this weekend.

Presumably they wont have Michael D there. Nor will they have the marching band.

I think it's going to be bizarre seeing the teams singing in an empty stadium

Dog Botherer · 21-10-2020 2:33pm

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

Just had a thought.

The anthems are gonna be weird this weekend.

Presumably they wont have Michael D there. Nor will they have the marching band.

I think it's going to be bizarre seeing the teams singing in an empty stadium

Ireland’s Call is going to be an atrocity, and i don’t even usually mind it. the others might be okay though.

21-10-2020 2:54pm

Think the team is fine. I don't really think our tight 5 is great but he's probably picked the best available, we just don't have the personnel there with the injuries, Healy getting on etc. Didn't expect Connors to start at all and Keenan has had some rise. I think Aki is the right call, he's been really good this season. Dunno what POM has to do to get dropped but apparently less than doing nothing in game bar getting sent off, and hopefully JGP gets some meaningful gametime.

Dog Botherer · 21-10-2020 2:59pm

i assume O’Mahony is there to give the hookers an easy target at the front of the lineout if it’s all going ****eways. which, given our line outs lately, fair enough.

still wouldn’t have picked him mind.

AbusesToilets · 21-10-2020 3:03pm

Malakai Some Revolution wrote: »

Think the team is fine. I don't really think our tight 5 is great but he's probably picked the best available, we just don't have the personnel there with the injuries, Healy getting on etc. Didn't expect Connors to start at all and Keenan has had some rise. I think Aki is the right call, he's been really good this season. Dunno what POM has to do to get dropped but apparently less than doing nothing in game bar getting sent off, and hopefully JGP gets some meaningful gametime.

Bizarre choice, you'd swear he's the only backrower we have who can jump.

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