Gordon Elliott

The Mig · 01-03-2021 12:56am

Andrew00 wrote: »

Cheveley Park or anyone else will not pull their horses from Elliot, especially before the festival

So don't be daft.

This will all be forgotten about in a weeks time.

Just like all the corruption and non triers are forgotten about

It most certainly won’t be forgotten in a weeks time. We get to Cheltenham tuesday 2 weeks and say Ballyadam wins the supreme. What do you think the 1st question will be if Gordon is there to be interviewed. And if he’s not there they will 100% bring it up why he’s not there

The Mig · 01-03-2021 1:03am

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47946382

Almost as laughable as elliotts excuse

Motivator · 01-03-2021 1:03am

Imhof Tank wrote: »

That's what I'm saying - he never would. JP knows what goes on in yards.

JP pulled a horse out of a yard local to me because one of the work riders decided to have a bit of fun and went hunting on him and the horse arrived back into the yard fit to collapse with exhaustion. The trainer rang JP to tell him the young lad was sacked on the spot and JP had the horse taken out of the yard the following morning. This wasn’t a grade 1 animal either it was a 100+ rated hurdler. If any owner in racing cares about their horses, JP is the one. Poor comment from you to be fair.

lemush · 01-03-2021 1:08am

Andrew00 wrote: »

Cheveley Park or anyone else will not pull their horses from Elliot, especially before the festival

So don't be daft.

This will all be forgotten about in a weeks time.

Just like all the corruption and non triers are forgotten about

Cheveley will 100% pull the plug on him as quick as possible imo. They cannot be associated with this.

piplip87 · 01-03-2021 1:09am

If Elliott is banned from the festival I'd expect Chevely to have Envoi Allen pulled and sitting in Willie's by the weekend. Theres no way he is not going to run at the festival.

I dont think he will lose his license but he will lose horses over this. I'd wonder if the recent rumours going around about him treating a lady badly and this are linked.

A woman scorned and all that

Slimity · 01-03-2021 1:15am

There were rumours about a high profile trainer's daughter. Is this related?

piplip87 wrote: »

If Elliott is banned from the festival I'd expect Chevely to have Envoi Allen pulled and sitting in Willie's by the weekend. Theres no way he is not going to run at the festival.

I dont think he will lose his license but he will lose horses over this. I'd wonder if the recent rumours going around about him treating a lady badly and this are linked.

A woman scorned and all that

KaneToad · 01-03-2021 1:21am

Did the horse die through any neglect on Elliots part? If not, what's the big deal? Is it the lack of 'respect' shown to the dead animal?

Dwarf.Shortage · 01-03-2021 1:22am

KaneToad wrote: »

Did the horse die through any neglect on Elliots part? If not, what's the big deal? Is it the lack of 'respect' shown to the dead animal?

Yes

redarmy · 01-03-2021 1:23am

piplip87 wrote: »

If Elliott is banned from the festival I'd expect Chevely to have Envoi Allen pulled and sitting in Willie's by the weekend. Theres no way he is not going to run at the festival.

I dont think he will lose his license but he will lose horses over this. I'd wonder if the recent rumours going around about him treating a lady badly and this are linked.

A woman scorned and all that

This would be true..

hurikane · 01-03-2021 1:43am

Scumbag. What a load of rubbish, the explanation which he has released.

Kaisersosay · 01-03-2021 2:19am

Andrew00 wrote: »

Cheveley Park or anyone else will not pull their horses from Elliot, especially before the festival

So don't be daft.

This will all be forgotten about in a weeks time.

Just like all the corruption and non triers are forgotten about

Can't see this one being forgotten about. The authorities will have to be seen to act. Otherwise they are condoning the behaviour. This isn't a slap on the wrists job. Its the full penalty applied as per the rule book.

In terms of the owners this is huge. Nobody wants to be associated with that.
The animal is paramount. The wife and the kids love the animal.

Its ok to pull horses in races... or fall off them... or run them down the field... but don't disrespect them. They have been very loyal servants to mankind.
He's in bother with this.

dohboy · 01-03-2021 2:41am

I don't see any owners moving horses. He'll get a fine and some sort of suspension for six months or something, but that'll be it imo. It was a stupid thing to do but it's not like some there's some systematic abuse of animals uncovered.

dickdasr1234 · 01-03-2021 2:45am

Holymudderagod, what a load of twaddle about nothing.
Gotta love all the experts/rumourmongers who don't know the first thing about the game.
It's a great little country for begrudgers!

tryfix · 01-03-2021 4:02am

My 2 cents.

It does look like he was answering a call and making a 2 seconds gesture to someone who wanted to talk to him. One of the people there took a photo of the fat lad sitting on the horse as some kind of fat jockey joke.

What's weird looking is how he got to be straddling the dead horse in the first place. Who stands like that over a dead horse when there's no reason to get into such an uncomfortable position?

Itziger · 01-03-2021 7:31am

dickdasr1234 wrote: »

Holymudderagod, what a load of twaddle about nothing.
Gotta love all the experts/rumourmongers who don't know the first thing about the game.
It's a great little country for begrudgers!

I think it's yourself and the others claiming that this is nothing who are out of touch. You see this is not "about the game", it's about the wider audience. I'd be of the opinion that it'll cause some damage. Don't think he'll lose many owners but a couple, already mentioned, yes. Time will tell.

Curse These Metal Hands · 01-03-2021 7:53am

The jokey Snapchat caption from whoever took the picture seems to indicate that there is a general disregard for the horses in that place.

Labaik · 01-03-2021 8:57am

Jaysus was convinced this was fake. This is awful stuff from Elliot

Panrich · 01-03-2021 9:42am

As others have already said, this is not just about Gordon Elliott. Racing will suffer reputational damage from this incident.

The fact that it has come to light coming up to the festival when NH gets it’s fifteen minutes of fame each year is doubly unfortunate.

Now the whole mainstream buildup will be questioning horse welfare within the industry and how at least this Cheltenham won’t be a super spreader event like last year.

mountai · 01-03-2021 9:54am

"Racing will suffer reputational damage from this incident". Well if the recent ban of 6 months for Charles Byrnes is anything to go by , lets face it , no one outside racing gave a toss about it , I wonder what " Punishment" will be given to one of the big lads ?? .

01-03-2021 10:07am

mountai wrote: »

"Racing will suffer reputational damage from this incident". Well if the recent ban of 6 months for Charles Byrnes is anything to go by , lets face it , no one outside racing gave a toss about it , I wonder what " Punishment" will be given to one of the big lads ?? .

Gordon Elliott is a far bigger name than Charlie Byrnes.

Even folk that only have a yearly flutter will know of Elliott.

Itziger · 01-03-2021 10:10am

mountai wrote: »

"Racing will suffer reputational damage from this incident". Well if the recent ban of 6 months for Charles Byrnes is anything to go by , lets face it , no one outside racing gave a toss about it , I wonder what " Punishment" will be given to one of the big lads ?? .

But that's not the point. "No-one" has ever heard of Charles B and the issue doesn't register with the general public. Some minor trainer in Ireland drugged a horse rates about 0.5/10 for the public.

But a juicy/gory pic of a trainer (again, most won't know him, but this time some will) sitting SMILING on a prone dead horse???? That creates a whole different feeling, and that is what's important here.

wardides · 01-03-2021 10:18am

mountai wrote: »

"Racing will suffer reputational damage from this incident". Well if the recent ban of 6 months for Charles Byrnes is anything to go by , lets face it , no one outside racing gave a toss about it , I wonder what " Punishment" will be given to one of the big lads ?? .

Nobody gave a toss about it because not many would know him & nobody outside of racing will care that he doped a horse to try turn a quick quid over on the exchanges.

This is monumental. It was front page of the star today, could have been front page of other papers. It's a horrendous incident for an industry already struggling to progress & fight back vs critics. Not sure what the penalty is for doing this but should be thrown full whack at him, especially post that embarrassing statement.

NaiveMelodies · 01-03-2021 10:19am

BHA will be under massive pressure to prevent Elliot's horses from running in the UK.
National Hunt racing is on borrowed time as it is in my opinion.
I'd say it could be close to evens that he is allowed run his horses at the festival.

wardides · 01-03-2021 10:30am

Betfair have dropped their association with Elliot immediately. Start of it, watch the dominoes fall I think. Poster above isn't far away re banning of runners I don't think.

dickdasr1234 · 01-03-2021 10:40am

Dear God, what a bunch of drama queens. The man 'disrespected' a horse carcass so he should lose his livelihood?
I would have thought chewing on the flesh of cow or lamb was distinctly more egregious but people differ and animals die.
Would somebody mind telling me what he actually did wrong?
The notion of banning his Cheltenham runners is farcical, both from a financial and legal viewpoint.
Is all this horsesh*t the product of woke culture or Covid?

Earendil · 01-03-2021 10:44am

dickdasr1234 wrote: »

Dear God, what a bunch of drama queens. The man 'disrespected' a horse carcass so he should lose his livelihood?
I would have thought chewing on the flesh of cow or lamb was distinctly more egregious but people differ and animals die.
Would somebody mind telling me what he actually did wrong?
The notion of banning his Cheltenham runners is farcical, both from a financial and legal viewpoint.
Is all this horsesh*t the product of woke culture or Covid?

Hi Dick

Hoboo · 01-03-2021 10:46am

dickdasr1234 wrote: »

Dear God, what a bunch of drama queens. The man 'disrespected' a horse carcass so he should lose his livelihood?
I would have thought chewing on the flesh of cow or lamb was distinctly more egregious but people differ and animals die.
Would somebody mind telling me what he actually did wrong?
The notion of banning his Cheltenham runners is farcical, both from a financial and legal viewpoint.
Is all this horsesh*t the product of woke culture or Covid?

This isnt woke culture. This is a man who claims to love and respect the animals in his care and he clearly doesn't.

Could you explain what legal right he has to run horses at any meeting?

lemush · 01-03-2021 10:47am

The spelling in the title of this thread is the worst thing about all of this really.

NaiveMelodies · 01-03-2021 10:49am

dickdasr1234 wrote: »

Dear God, what a bunch of drama queens. The man 'disrespected' a horse carcass so he should lose his livelihood?
I would have thought chewing on the flesh of cow or lamb was distinctly more egregious but people differ and animals die.
Would somebody mind telling me what he actually did wrong?
The notion of banning his Cheltenham runners is farcical, both from a financial and legal viewpoint.
Is all this horsesh*t the product of woke culture or Covid?

To be honest, I don't entirely disagree with you. But, horse racing could be classed as a blood sport sometimes and its fueled by gambling. Gambling isn't really a good thing.
I don't know what I agree or disagree with in terms of a sanction, but what I posted is what I believe may happen in today's world.

NaiveMelodies · 01-03-2021 10:50am

lemush wrote: »

The spelling in the title of this thread is the worst thing about all of this really.

haha isn't it just!

The Rooster · 01-03-2021 10:55am

wardides wrote: »

Betfair have dropped their association with Elliot immediately. Start of it, watch the dominoes fall I think.

Is this true?

Couldn't see anything on their website

https://betting.betfair.com/horse-racing/gordon-elliott/

lemush · 01-03-2021 11:02am

The Rooster wrote: »

Is this true?

Couldn't see anything on their website

https://betting.betfair.com/horse-racing/gordon-elliott/

Yes they dropped him.

Local_Chap · 01-03-2021 11:04am

The Rooster wrote: »

Is this true?

Couldn't see anything on their website

https://betting.betfair.com/horse-racing/gordon-elliott/

https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/betfair-discontinue-association-with-gordon-elliott-following-shocking-picture/475706

wardides · 01-03-2021 11:11am

dickdasr1234 wrote: »

Dear God, what a bunch of drama queens. The man 'disrespected' a horse carcass so he should lose his livelihood?
I would have thought chewing on the flesh of cow or lamb was distinctly more egregious but people differ and animals die.
Would somebody mind telling me what he actually did wrong?
The notion of banning his Cheltenham runners is farcical, both from a financial and legal viewpoint.
Is all this horsesh*t the product of woke culture or Covid?

Are you comparing somebody eating meat to one of the most successful horse trainers of the current era, sitting on the dead body of a horse purchased for, minimum, several thousand euro to spend several years racing in the public eye?

The bit in bold. Honestly, you absolutely honestly, believe that he's done nothing wrong there?

wardides · 01-03-2021 11:12am

Mick Fitz on tears on ATR now. He his well and truly goosed.

startrek56 · 01-03-2021 11:13am

if he just came out and said it was a bad error of judgement, it wouldnt have been as bad as "i was standing there and took a call so i sat down"

ridiculous statement to come out with, up there with Prince Andrew

Peintre Celebre · 01-03-2021 11:13am

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I know a horse trainer who would not even waste a bullet on a horse that was no good, he attacked it with a JCB instead and killed it.

Well that is an absolute lie

TheRiverman · 01-03-2021 11:16am

rolling boh wrote: »

Anyone know what is behind the picture of him sitting on the dead horse looks bad and poor form from him really .

Gordon Elliott, It's a disgusting photograph, but at least spell his name properly.

NaiveMelodies · 01-03-2021 11:18am

startrek56 wrote: »

ridiculous statement to come out with, up there with Prince Andrew

Ah here!

startrek56 · 01-03-2021 11:20am

NaiveMelodies wrote: »

Ah here!

pizza express at woking!!!

Anniepowaaa · 01-03-2021 11:21am

Envoi Allen and quixillios will be in closutton by the weekend

wardides · 01-03-2021 11:22am

NaiveMelodies wrote: »

Ah here!

I think you might be taking the Prince Andrew comment a bit too literally, assuming he means the excuses are equally as laughable.

Which in fairness they are. Had he just came out & said it was an error on his behalf, unfortunately horses passing are something people within the industry become somewhat accustomed to due to the sheer vol of animals they deal with etc and leave it at that. Shot himself in the foot with some stupid excuse of taking a call. He's bloody posing in the phot for god sake.

Islander13 · 01-03-2021 11:24am

Hard to see any of his horses running at the festival. Is there any rules around transferring horses? ie can they be transferred to Mullins today and still run at the festival? Or is there a registration time lag or other problem

01-03-2021 11:24am

Horrific stuff, should get a massive ban. Hard to believe it took him 24 hours to come up with that 'excuse'.

Almost as bad is the reaction from the "storm in a teacup" crowd who are pushing a line of thought roughly along the lines of 'sure its grand to sit on a live horse, this one was dead, whats the big deal?', which is approaching the argument made by animal rights activists in the first place, that horse racing is cruel. Genius stuff. There is a major opportunity for animal rights activists here, particularly if animals have to be destroyed, which they will, over the course of the festival. No advertiser will want to be associated with a sport where one of the leading lights exercised a horse to death, then posed with the body in a joking manner. This is how it will be portrayed, that horses are not treated properly and that the lamentations from 'connections' when an animal has to be destroyed is just bullsh!t, and with a picture like this it makes it a thousand times harder to argue back against this without looking like a savage, especially if in the same breath you're saying Elliott should not be annihilated for this. The main argument against animal rights activists regarding horse deaths is essentially that everyone is broken-hearted when a horse dies. Everyone knows this is not true, that many are matter-of-fact about it, but now there is clear evidence that a leading trainer, and his staff, don't give a damn and think it's funny.

Also of note was the massive effort from some to say that the picture was fake, and now say that his "excuse" explains it away. People like Elliott would not give the average punter a glass of water, the servile boot-licking is rather pathetic.

For the good of the sport Elliott should go, or be removed.

As an aside, the fact that Elliott, or other trainers, are even allowed be associated with betting companies is farcical.

Mimon · 01-03-2021 11:26am

Putting aside how serious or not it is the excuse is ridiculous. You get a call and you sit down on a dead animal? FFS!

He would have been better to come out and said it was a stupid moment of tomfoolery and it does not represent how he respects his animals etc.

The Mig · 01-03-2021 11:26am

lemush wrote: »

The spelling in the title of this thread is the worst thing about all of this really.

That was actually annoying me so I’ve fixed it

dohboy · 01-03-2021 11:27am

It'll blow over. Yes there's reputational damage to racing, but people outside racing probably think this kinda stuff goes on all the time tbh. Racing people will be upset and disappointed but they will rally around the sport. Would a causal fan be turned off the odd punt of the occasional days racing because of this? Not a hope. It'll certainly enliven those who believe racing is cruel anyway, but it's not like they are ever going to be won over.

Elliott will have to get some sort of punishment for PR reasons, but he'll be back and everyone in the sport will be joking about this in six months.

Islander13 · 01-03-2021 11:27am

Sean Worried Memory wrote: »

Horrific stuff, should get a massive ban. Hard to believe it took him 24 hours to come up with that 'excuse'.

Almost as bad is the reaction from the "storm in a teacup" crowd who are pushing a line of thought roughly along the lines of 'sure its grand to sit on a live horse, this one was dead, whats the big deal?', which is approaching the argument made by animal rights activists in the first place, that horse racing is cruel. Genius stuff. There is a major opportunity for animal rights activists here, particularly if animals have to be destroyed, which they will, over the course of the festival. No advertiser will want to be associated with a sport where one of the leading lights exercised a horse to death, then posed with the body in a joking manner. This is how it will be portrayed, that horses are not treated properly and that the lamentations from 'connections' when an animal has to be destroyed is just bullsh!t, and with a picture like this it makes it a thousand times harder to argue back against this without looking like a savage, especially if in the same breath you're saying Elliot should not be annihilated for this. The main argument against animal rights activists regarding horse deaths is essentially that everyone is broken-hearted when a horse dies. Everyone knows this is not true, that many are matter-of-fact about it, but now there is clear evidence that a leading trainer, and his staff, don't give a damn and think it's funny.

Also of note was the massive effort from some to say that the picture was fake, and now say that his "excuse" explains it away. People like Elliot would not give the average punter a glass of water, the servile boot-licking is rather pathetic.

For the good of the sport Elliot should go, or be removed.

As an aside, the fact that Elliot, or other trainers, are even allowed be associated with betting companies is farcical.

100% on the links to bookies. Such a conflict of interest in public view

01-03-2021 11:43am

dohboy wrote: »

It'll blow over. Yes there's reputational damage to racing, but people outside racing probably think this kinda stuff goes on all the time tbh. Racing people will be upset and disappointed but they will rally around the sport. Would a causal fan be turned off the odd punt of the occasional days racing because of this? Not a hope. It'll certainly enliven those who believe racing is cruel anyway, but it's not like they are ever going to be won over.

Elliott will have to get some sort of punishment for PR reasons, but he'll be back and everyone in the sport will be joking about this in six months.

You are spectacularly missing the point. The existence of the sport on the level it is at does not depend on casual fans, or those currently involved. It relies on advertising, betting and massive government funding. The existence of which, aside from betting, is almost wholly dependent on the public reputation of the sport.

Granadino · 01-03-2021 11:49am

dmn22 wrote: »

Between this photo, stories of allegedly getting a certain someone in the horse-racing world pregnant and also allegedly having regular parties in the bar on his stables during lockdown, it’s starting to look like he may be a Grade A pr*ck.

My experience of my local "horsey set" is that many can be extremely arrogant. It's animal cruelty at the best of times.

Gordon Elliott

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